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alrelax

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on April 26, 2017, 10:17:27 AM
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as

You agreeing with me???  Wow!

Onward, BUT & HOWEVER, there are other 'areas' that the player must employ along with this, (a few) Money Management, Positive Progressions, Plateau Recognizing, Clear Mind, Guts, etc., etc. 

It really does take a well-rounded, experienced person to prevail at this game.  The viability and the extreme winning/losing makes it demand the things I have mentioned here and in my postings.

Peace.
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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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AsymBacGuy

Quote from: alrelax on April 26, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
You agreeing with me???  Wow!

Onward, BUT & HOWEVER, there are other 'areas' that the player must employ along with this, (a few) Money Management, Positive Progressions, Plateau Recognizing, Clear Mind, Guts, etc., etc. 

It really does take a well-rounded, experienced person to prevail at this game.  The viability and the extreme winning/losing makes it demand the things I have mentioned here and in my postings.

Peace.

Al, I agree with many of your ideas and you have just named very important topics.

I continue

As Alrelax brilliantly stated, the game will produce such deviated outcomes that often we have to think whether B side is really favored over P side or conversely if P side really exists.

In order to consistently win or try to win itlr, we need to control the variance, both positive or negative.

We do not want to guess every hand, let alone at a pace of two-three or even more hands.

Think about it: casino personnel want us to bet each hand and not just for the mathematical advantage they get.
They want us to get off our comfortable zone, they want us to lose our perception of money's value.
That's why worldwide baccarat tables get a 15-16% cut of the total money wagered and not the 1% of so they are entitled to.
Actually this percentage would be even higher if players' bankroll were endlessly replenished per every session.

Remember that from a mathematical point of view the best bet we can make per every session is to bet the whole bankroll on Banker side as we are 1.36% favored to win.
No matter if the previous outcomes where a long string of Bankers or a 15 Player streak.

From this best bet we can only go uphill as multiple bets enlarge the probability either to lose and to lose our "control" of our money.
But of course we know that we'll have to go uphill.

Again remember the times when you have got early winnings but you failed to quit ending up as losers or heavy losers.

That doesn't mean that quitting the day is the best way to win, just that after a first loss it's more likely to lose again than to recover the loss.

I bet Banker one time and I lose. If bet Banker again and I win. In total I've lost 5% of my money. So a perfect equilibrium between P and B won't get us any fair return.

That means that an equal number of B and P outcomes won't get us any help other than losing money (of course I'm discarding the possibility to bet P twice as it's a more disadvantaged situation).

We see that betting two hands in a row IN ANY ORDER and discarding ties we'll get 4 possibilities:

BB
BP
PB
PP

From what I've sayed so far it's easy to notice that the only outcome providing a MORE LIKELY profit is BB pattern.
BP and PB get a 5% overall deficit; PP will get a fantastic no-taxed profit but, alas, it's the least likely of the four.

More precisely and in terms of probability the 4 patterns will place themselves as:

BB>PB>BP>PP

This is what I boldly call the "Asym Fundamental Law of Baccarat".

There is no way this Law will be disappointed itlr.

But the last word is the most important: itlr.

Notice that a BB pattern could repeat itself without the intervention of any P result: think about a long B streak...BBBBBBBBBBB, that is 9 BB patterns in a row...
Naturally the same happens whenever a P streak will form several repeating "unlikely" PP patterns.

Both are two extremely deviated situations either in positive or negative way.

However a long BPBPBPBPB or PBPBPBPBP equivalent pattern is simultaneously more likely and less likely.
That is when we look at a BP pattern we have a less likely situation and when we look at a PB pattern we observe a more likely situation.

This is a classic pseudo equilibrium situation further endorsed by the proven fact that baccarat outcomes are very very slightly oriented toward the opposite last hand.

So generally speaking, strings of singles are supposed to be more probable than strings of streaks.

However we cannot forget that B side is always favored albeit in a whimsical way.

If the third card rule doesn't work, we are pretty sure that itlr we'll get a slight higher amount of singles than streaks.

Every bac shoe, whatever complex it will be, fits the above Fundamental Law at different degrees.

Since we are professionals not wanting to fall into too deviated situations (as, differently to black jack, here our EV will be always negative) we must set up minimum requirements either in W or L way. Hence betting toward the B streaks formation and P singles formation with a lot of stop betting (stop win and stop loss) in order to reduce variance.

So we do not want to look for consecutive outcomes producing a lot of wins or losses, we want to set up a more or less diluted betting model capable to adhere at most to the expected values.

Probability laws come in handy for us.

Actually itlr we'll get more clusters of BB interpoled by P results than isolated BB patterns. I mean that itlr BB..PBB.. or BB..PPBB.. will be more likely than BB..PBP... or BB..PPBP...

The same about P singles.

Of course some shoes will produce many isolated BB and/or many isolated P singles.

We'll talk about them next time.

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CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)

roversi13

Because BB is more frequent than BP and PB more frequent than PP,betting B after a single B or after a single P (one bet and stop!) should give a very small advantage to the player.
I used to play like that but it didn't work
I had better result betting for streaks of singles(B or P).

I followed a strange theory of a famous mathematician and gambler.
He said that because singles are equivalent to all strings of 2,3,4 and more,but in "more" there are also strings of 100,200... that you'll never see in your gambling life,singles occur a bit more than strings of 2 and more,because singles have to compensate string of 100,200,......too!
I hope that my english is clear enough

alrelax

......."In order to consistently win or try to win itlr, we need to control the variance, both positive or negative.

We do not want to guess every hand, let alone at a pace of two-three or even more hands.

Think about it: casino personnel want us to bet each hand and not just for the mathematical advantage they get.
They want us to get off our comfortable zone, they want us to lose our perception of money's value.
That's why worldwide baccarat tables get a 15-16% cut of the total money wagered and not the 1% of so they are entitled to.
Actually this percentage would be even higher if players' bankroll were endlessly replenished per every session.

Remember that from a mathematical point of view the best bet we can make per every session is to bet the whole bankroll on Banker side as we are 1.36% favored to win.
No matter if the previous outcomes where a long string of Bankers or a 15 Player streak.

From this best bet we can only go uphill as multiple bets enlarge the probability either to lose and to lose our "control" of our money.
But of course we know that we'll have to go uphill.

Again remember the times when you have got early winnings but you failed to quit ending up as losers or heavy losers.

That doesn't mean that quitting the day is the best way to win, just that after a first loss it's more likely to lose again than to recover the loss."..............


The above was from Asym's post. 

Yes, You-I-Anyone does not know.  And probably the most important and number 1 is to be conscious of whether you are in a positive or a negative 'section' of the shoe. 

Next, it is imperative to have a Clear Mind-Be Conscious of Sections and Turning Points-and DO NOT convince yourself you can recover and prevail easily because you really have no control over that and the highest majority gets sucked in to the point of no return, each and every time they play.

The key I found to constant 'win holdings' as Asym addresses briefly is to actually have a system to hold and divide your winnings, do not--I repeat--DO NOT stack your chips in front of you.  Hell with the 'for show', for gloating, for feeling good, for showing off is the only reason you do it.  It serves no good purposes and the only thing stacking your win chips do, is allow you to wager larger and harder and have the false perception you will smack the casino.  In other words, 'believing you are the lawn mower and their A** is grass'.  I follow religiously my 1/3rd system, whether I am playing in the Midwest with a thousand or two buy-in at several hundred a hand or in Vegas with tens of thousands buy-in and thousands a hand. 

My 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd system takes care of my back and it works and no one can take my winnings back--any casino, any amount, period.  It works. 

Positive progression only, why???  Because negative progression will contribute to a worse mind-frame for you and huge frustration and aggravation levels.  Period. 

Positive progression and constantly divide up 100% of the sum realized from any progressions if you win, taking out and dividing up every few wagers.  That way you give yourself added positive momentum without sacrificing your buy-in in front of you. 

What do I mean??  Say I won 2 progressions of 'whatever'.  Personally, I would take that win from those progressions and put 1/3rd in my pocket for untouchable money.  Put 1/3rd in my extra buy-in (if I lose my current buy-in and still want to continue playing extra buy-in) and 1/3rd into my current buy-in stack in front of me on the table. 

It works and it will benefit you.  You have to realize there is and will be those positive and negative uphill's and downhill's throughout the session.  You can't change those, the only thing you can do is play without pressure and maintain yourself.  You also want to protect the money you won, if you did.  Or, you will give it all back. 

About stats as Asym touched on also.  IMO, throw them out the door.  Doesn't matter about the 1% HA on Banker or whatever, doesn't matter one bit about any other stat over 10,000 or 100,000 shoes for the shoe you are playing in front of you.  You can run all the stats with the BB's and BP and PB and all that and how the B will prevail after most, IT WILL NOT WORK for you more than a shoe or two out of so many.  Anything that you think hits over 50% of the time (mechanically, every shoe, consistently, etc.) is not reality, it will not happen.  If you are going to play one or two wagers every month or so, with 1 shoe, fine, do it.  But not on any kind of consistent playing. 

As far as losing and focusing on recovering the loss.  IMO, one of the most DANGEROUS and destructive things you can do is playing negative progressions and focusing on recovering your loss to get even.  No matter if it is the instant buy-in on the current shoe or previous losses you are hell-bent on making up as you sit down.  You will add fuel on the fire to self-destruct.  Don't believe me, do it and keep doing it, you will see. 

Strong is strong and weak is weak.  That is one of the biggest things players fail to recognize!!!  Doesn't matter if it is streaks/runs or doubles or single chop-chop or 1's, 2's and 3's.  Those and others are strong.  If it is weak it is weak.  Weak does not refer to only 'not making streaks/runs', weak is no correlation to anything.  Then the second biggest mistake is what I referred to in the following, players having no believe or knowledge of:

There is an advantage and I call it 'Diminishing probability' and once you unravel what happened to a certain tune the pending changes will normally happen a greater amount of times by far than not. Which is a definitive control on the variance, at least the way I deduce down the depletion of what happened in most shoes.

And the way players get sucked in, is that they continue to follow the stupid score board the casino installed at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars!  What is the mistake?  The mistake is made for those continually wagering for the continuance of the streak or other 'matching' streaks or any certain 'point value' numbers to cut or something about the tie cutting or sticking, or an extra few dots added to one of the roads because the display says, 'such and such'.  Sure at times it does follow itself.  But then the 'diminishing probability' sets in and you missed it. Not because you are literally unintelligent or unskilled, but because you got sucked in and you were unconscious of what was actually happening.

That is why I said above; Next, it is imperative to have a Clear Mind-Be Conscious of Sections and Turning Points-and Do not convince yourself you can recover and prevail easily because you really have no control over that and the highest majority gets sucked in to the point of no return, each and every time they play.

As far as the 'what we believe to be favored', it might turn out--but then again, it might not most of the times, or-sadly none of the times.  That is when most players will get on the uphill--seemingly to self destruct in whatever they do--they can't get anything right.  The biggest reason, the frustration and the aggravation levels set in and that clouds their minds. Maybe that will explain the saying that is said so many times at the baccarat table, "(F***) I didn't see it, why I couldn't I see that", as they pick up and slam down their stack of chips.   

The game is more than wagering on a B after a couple of these and single one of those, etc.  The game is more than wagering every hand for the cut/opposite to prevail.  The game is more than any pre-conceived bet-placement method because they all work and then equally or greater--those same ones will fail. 

There is my 2 cents for a Thursday morning, I will go to the casino tonight and live what I write about once again.  And how do I do it?  I do it by employing and paying attention to 'Sections and Turning Points'; The 'Diminishing Probability' when it presents itself; apply my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd money management systems to wins; stick to 'Positive Progressions' only; and try my '1 + 4 Parlay Side-Ways' wager a few times.
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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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Garfield

Somehow this thread reminds me of "Patterns of the patterns" by the great bacc learning....
You will never know. Not now, not in this life. You aren't that lucky.

alrelax

Quote from: Garfield on April 27, 2017, 04:40:45 PM
Somehow this thread reminds me of "Patterns of the patterns" by the great bacc learning....

Patterns are there and not there at times, but they are part of the positive and the negative which could send you on the uphill climb to recoup or the downhill slide to the cashier's cage to get those 'banded' stacks of 100's.
My Blog within BetSelection Board: https://betselection.cc/index.php?board=250.0

Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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Garfield

Quote from: alrelax on April 27, 2017, 04:44:03 PM
Patterns are there and not there at times, but they are part of the positive and the negative which could send you on the uphill climb to recoup or the downhill slide to the cashier's cage to get those 'banded' stacks of 100's.

Well no downhill for me...

Bought 3 methods of "sure-win" and i've prepared enough bankroll...

time to milk the casino...

See you at the top....
You will never know. Not now, not in this life. You aren't that lucky.

alrelax

Quote from: Garfield on April 27, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
Well no downhill for me...

Bought 3 methods of "sure-win" and i've prepared enough bankroll...

time to milk the casino...

See you at the top....

Why milk them?  Why not sharpen the lawn mower blades and make their rear-ends grass??  O:-)
My Blog within BetSelection Board: https://betselection.cc/index.php?board=250.0

Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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Garfield

Quote from: alrelax on April 27, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
Why milk them?  Why not sharpen the lawn mower blades and make their rear-ends grass??  O:-)

I like the feel in my hand...it's relaxing, you know...try it... :applause:

Besides, I only use lawn mower to kill zombies...It's the ultimate weapon... :nod:
You will never know. Not now, not in this life. You aren't that lucky.

alrelax

My Blog within BetSelection Board: https://betselection.cc/index.php?board=250.0

Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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soxfan

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on April 26, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
Thanks for your replies guys.

And thanks roversi, I know you are on the few who really knows what I'm talking about.

See you soon

as.

How can I buy yer book, hey hey?

AsymBacGuy

Thanks for your replies Al!

I continue.

"Everything is possible anytime" like winning or more likely losing 20 sessions in a row, or, for that matter winning or losing 20 consecutive bets.
To get a more realistic situation, say we want to consider just 5 sessions or 5 consecutive bets.

The probability to win ALL 5 consecutive bets NO MATTER WHAT THE FKNG SIDE we choose to bet are 1 in 32 that is a 3.125% probability.

The probability to win ALL 5 sessions wagering multiple bets each time is well lower than 3.125% as any bet is EV- so a number of bets higher than 5 will get a higher negative expectation.

Actually at baccarat the probability to win or lose is slightly different than a perfect coin flip proposition because of B>P.
Thus wagering toward BBBBB is best whereas betting toward PPPPP is worst. The same about every other situation among the 32 possible patterns, meaning that itlr BPBPB > PBPBP or BBPPB>PPBBP and so on.

Notice that in terms of ROI (return of investment) the difference between betting B or P is just a mere 0.18%, hence the importance to consider the probability of success as this last gets a quite higher percentage.

Obviously not every shoe will accomplish our hopes: many shoes are P strong or, even worse, many shoes are "too much" B loaded giving us the illusion to be in fair shape. In a word: variance.

We see that to control the variance and to reduce the overall negative impact, we need to discard a lot of hands for two important reasons:

a) the more hands we observe/register, the higher will be the probability to fall into the expected values we like to have along the way.

b) betting few hands means to pay a minor tax.

Everyone could make this simple experiment: assess the B/P ratio after one shoe, after 3 shoes, after 10 shoes and after 30 shoes.

Almost never after just one shoe you'll get the famous 50.68/49.32 ratio. More shoes considered and higher will be the probability to get closer to such ratio by 100% certainty.

Even knowing this, are we going to bet B after a B/P unbalancement favoring P side or keeping betting B after a B/P ratio favoring the B side?

No way. B and P ratios perform a too high short-intermediate term volatility to get an advantage from.

Notice that in every EV- game of the universe, the only tool a player could hope for is the short term positive variance.

Or that the game in question provides some "restrained situations" that a short term progression might control the outcomes giving us a long term profit, a strategy that resembles at most to a flat betting strategy.

This last assumption is the only tool we can have to try to win at baccarat., imo.

But we need to control the variance though.

We know that the shortest patterns providing more likely outcomes are B streaks of any lenght and P isolated singles, at least now we are trying to control the variance since we are wagering B after a B apparition and B after a P single apparition.
Everything beyond or below that is too complex or too variance oriented.
We are more likely to get a BB pattern than a BBBBBBB pattern or to get an isolated P single than 7 P clustered singles.

Yes, along with many unlikely negative patterns we're trying to get rid of, at the same time we are forced to disregard many unlikely positive consecutive patterns.
Why?
At this point of the discussion the answer should be obvious, otherwise--please--change thread. :-)

Imo, a constant asymmetrical distribution is best studied by either a general approach and a specific approach.

A general approach is knowing that BB>BP, for example.

The specific approach involves a more careful registration, for example registering what really happened at column positions #6 or #24 of any shoe.

Remember, the more we play the more we lose but we'll lose a lot more than the 1% or so we are entitled to.
So we shouldn't be classified as insane persons if we state that the more we wait some circumstances to happen, the best will be our probabilities to win.

Not the certainty to win, but the probability to win. Better sayed it's the probability of success I'm talking about.

How sweet would be if we were to know that after a 1-4 loss range we'll surely win...

More specifically, we don't want to guess what will be the most likely future hand, we want to bet that an unlikely situation won't appear for a given series of hands and per a long series of equal attempts.

Example.

We know that on column #6 of an horizontal display the probability to look at a red (B) or blue (P) spot is almost equal.
But we also know that if the first spot on that column is red, itlr the probability to get a red streak of any lenght is slightly higher than the probability to get a single red spot.
The opposite is true if the first spot is blue, meaning that the most likely situation will be a "jump" over the column #7.

The interesting fact is that such column #6 is the byproduct of the past hands nature involving a lot of parameters as the nature of first hand or subsequent hands, the quality of patterns previously formed and so on (for the sake of the registration, ties are considered neutral even on the displays).
Naturally it could be a B or P, so we are already half selecting the outcomes.
Then we could assess what were the actual results of this precise column of the past shoes.
B or P singles? B or P doubles? B or P 3+s ?

I mean that differently to a single shoe distribution, there are many advantages to register the results of any selected column as the random world is restrained in some way.

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Baccarat is 99% skill and 1% luck

CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)

AsymBacGuy

Let's take randomly the column #6 of the shoes presented by bally on his post ("5 shoes a day"):

01- B streak
02- B single
03- P single
04- B single
05- P streak
06- B streak
07- B single
08- P single
09- P single
10- P single
11- P single
12- B single
13- B streak
14- P single
15- P streak
16- P streak
17- B streak
18- B single
19- P single
20- P streak
21- P single
22- B single
23) B single
24) B streak
25) B single
26) B single
27) P streak
28) P streak
29) B streak
30) B streak

Even if the sample is ridicously small, can we spot some hints to reduce variance?

as.

Baccarat is 99% skill and 1% luck

CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)

AsymBacGuy

Forget the single column registration, a too complex and diluted task to follow.

Taking my idea just mentioned in one of Al post, say we want to lose instead to win.

A perfect action would be to heavy martingaling against a streak, expecially if it's a Banker streak.
Sooner or later we know we'll go broke but we do not know when.
In the meantime, we are "unfortunately" accumulating some small wins which add to our bankroll.

So we are trying to get the worst of it by simultaneously wagering towards B singles and P streaks.
Alas, the probability to encounter such long "positive" (losing) situations are quite unlikely.

I mean that the probability to watch at a B single-P streak loaded shoe is inferior to the probability to get the opposite situation.

Not convinced?

Ok.

Run your registered shoes or observe the actual played shoes and let me know how many shoes in term of percentages show 3-4 B singles in a row or 3-4 P streaks in a row.

Hey, someone keeps saying that tests don't help us, every shoe is a new shoe. Maybe we'll get consecutive shoes featuring a lot of P consecutive streaks or shoes containing a lot of long B singles runs.

True, but what's the overall probability to get those kind of shoes?
And, are we really going to get the likely outcomes no matter what when everything seems to go in the opposite direction?

The finiteness of every single shoe could help us.

According to my "Fundamental Law of baccarat" we'll expect to get more clusters of more likely patterns and more isolated less likely patterns and vice versa.

Therefore you can bet everything you get on your name that itlr BB....BB will be more likely than BB...BP  or that BPB...BPB will be more likely than BPP....BPP.

Itlr=in the long run.
Ouch, we do play a very small percentage of this "long run", yet we know that after 4 or 5 consecutive shoes played (considering a bet frequency equal or superior than 75-80%)  the probability to be ahead is quite small.
That means that more often than not something "changes", even if we think to be "trend following geniuses".

Now we take into account the important feature about the finiteness of every shoe.

Since we do want to reduce variance, we know that clusters of more likely events will come out if they have a sufficient room to form. That is after half or 3/4 of the shoe clusters of more likely events have a minor space to produce into. For example think about the impact of a P streak of 7 or more in this half of 1/4 of the remaining shoe.
Actually and most of the times, long streaks on any side and at different degrees will alter the natural flow of the game in the remaining parts of the shoe.

So not every shoe is equally probable to get "more likely patterns" (as B streaks and/or P singles or P doubles) depending upon the nature of the previous patterns displayed.

The are two kind of conditions producing this fact: the room available to get some patterns and the asymmetricity impact and the results depending from it.

In the short-intermediate terms there are no certainties, just probabilities.

Even an unintelligent could occasionally wins an important poker tournament, it's very very unlikely that two idiots will win two important poker tournaments in a row.

Thus a wise theorical mechanical strategy (considering win/lose stops) dictating to regularly wager B streaks and/or P singles and P doubles will be good most of the times but it'll surely cross some harsh times capable to destroy our entire plan.
And more often than not, the probability to come back to the expected ratios is the consequence of the past outcomes of the actual shoe.

You know that per every shoe on average there are four 3+ P streaks, meaning that wagering towards P singles and P doubles will get just four losses.
Conversely, a strategic plan betting P singles and P doubles will form more clusters than isolated situations, but when an isolated situation will come out by cluster (even of just two) the opportunity to wager towards clusters of singles/doubles decays.
Again it's more likely to get an above than average number of 3+ P streaks if they happened in the first portion of the shoe (the ratio is nearly one streak per every 18-20 hands).   

The same about B streaks.

An initial cluster of B singles followed by a single B streak and another cluster of B singles suggest that most of the time that shoe isn't good to accomplish the expected ratios.
A good rule of thumb is to assess how long were the B singles clusters, as any B apparition not followed by another B decision for long will diminish the probability to get B streaks clusters.

After all we know that sooner or later an all or almost all B streaks shoe of any lenght will form and the same about a shoe containing just P singles and P doubles with zero or just one 3+ streak. With many intermediate but proportional situations acting along the way.
It's clear that the first situation comes because a streak involves two or more hands so not leaving the proper room to produce singles.
And the same is true about P streaks loaded situations.

Next time I'll talk about naturals, standing points and asymmetricity.

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Instead of talking about naturals or asymmetricity, I wish to talk about streaks and singles.

The long term has no value regarding statistics? Ok. But we know that itlr we lose.
Actually everyone here was taught by experience that the "long run losing probability" could be named as a huge probability to lose what previously earned (and some more) just in 3-4 or 5 consecutive shoes played. This is not exactly "long term".

Very few people are ahead after betting with a decent frequency 4-5 shoes and Alrelax in his posts made many good general examples about that.
From my part I want to emphasize the role of statistics on such unfortunate outcomes by a mathematical and statistical point of view.
Mathematically itlr we are going to lose 1.25% or so of our total bets, so a high stakes player wagering $10.000 each hand and betting 50 hands per shoe, after 4 shoes played is destined to sacrifice $25.000 at the end of the session.
Thinking that a $10.000 bet player gets any kind of "comps" from the casino, a two and one quarter standard bet loss after any 4-shoe session could be considered as a "direct" payment of the amenities received.

In a word, casinos base their hopes to win millions not only on their mathematical advantage but hoping the high stakes player sooner or later will lose the composure.
Interesting to notice that a flat betting strategy cannot alter the player's composure by any means. The amount he will lose will be always the same as mathematically expected.
And casinos are not willing to build luxury baccarat rooms and to offer high end treatments to people who are entitled to lose 1.25% of the money wagered.
They want a lot more of that.

Going to the technical aspect, let's assume that any 8-deck shoe is composed on average by 80 resolved hands (ties ignored).
Do not understimate the word "on average". On average is more difficult to win two bets in a row than just one bet. On average it's well more difficult to be ahead after two shoes than after one shoe played. In any scenario we could rely upon just one 25% probability: WW having WL, LW and LL as counterparts.
It's silly to think that a human factor could alter those percentages.

Back to our 80 hands shoe.
On average and assuming a coin flip proposition (and we know here it isn't) any shoe will produce 10 streaks of any lenght and 10 singles on any side.

Of course we could get shoes containing ALL streaks on B side or P side, but no one shoe will contain ALL B singles or ALL P singles.
The vulgar reason of that is because a single is just a one hand proposition whereas streaks must include two or more consecutive hands of the same nature. That is streaks "exhaust" some room to get other patterns as every single shoe is finite.
Obviously longer streaks consume more space that per every shoe reduces the apparition of certain other patterns.

Going further, any streak of any side comes out by isolated apparitions (between two singles) or by clustered apparitions (consecutive streaks).
The same about singles.
No wonder, itlr the number of isolated apparitions will be equal to the number of clustered apparitions. But as we have seen, the "itlr concept" is more restrained than what we can think of.

This is true for a true 50/50 game and we know baccarat isn't.

Therefore itlr we'll get more clustered B streaks than isolated B streaks and vice versa for B singles. And more clustered P singles than isolated P singles and vice versa for P streaks.

Theory doesn't always fits to the real, right?

Here's a real shoe (Venetian LV, 03/21/2015), ties ignored.


B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P

This very unlikely shoe (a sort of heaven for trend followers) displayed two isolated B streaks and two clustered B singles, along with two isolated P singles and three clustered P streaks.
BB= 26, BP 12; PB 12, PP=20.
B=39 P=33.
B streaks=2, B singles=11; P singles= 3, P streaks= 10.

Besides the BB pattern getting a +14 gap and the B/p gap featuring +6, any other long term statistical situation went against the expected long term outcomes. So a player trying to control the variance basing the strategy upon long term streaks/singles distributions will get but losses. Actually heavy losses.

Besides the fact that this shoe texture is very very rare (and you won't believe me but this table was almost empty and a guy went broke wagering against the initial B streak), one "I want to control the variance wagering most likely events...B clustered streaks and P clustered singles" got a total five loss (-2 and -3), instead of getting a 16 unit loss (-9 and -7) if he would decide to bet toward ANY B streak formation and ANY P single apparition).

I think this real shoe condenses at most value the points I want to enlight.

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Baccarat is 99% skill and 1% luck

CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)