Analysis
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30
16
19
3
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5
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9
23
7
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29
25
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31
14
35
24
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18
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12
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31
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35
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32
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30 (I think this is a Start Tracker number)
16
19
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25
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31
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24
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27
12
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31
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Data analysis to follow, as I am actually asleep!
From VLS
Here is MIDO1 system. Can some of you figure it out and post explanation on how to play his system. Thanks.Ok first rule random it isn't random in the game of the roulette they are 8 lines in wich the 36 numbers are forming this lines lookline1 1 3 5 7 9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers line2 2 4 6 8 10 are black,even,small numbers line3 12 14 16 18 are red,even,small numbers line4 11 13 15 17 are black,odd,small numbersline5 19 21 23 25 27 are red ,odd, big numbers line6 20 22 24 26 28 are black,even,big numbers line 7 30 32 34 36 are red,even,big numbers line 8 29 31 33 35 are black,odd,big numbers It isn't a system it how the game of the roulette make patterns from this numbers and this is how u will take an edge always ,believe me,the betting you should study this I am making you pen the your yeys Permanenzen vom Tisch 2 vom 05.12.2007look at this30 16 19 3 1 5 14 9 23 7 14 29 252 26 31 14 35 24 1013 18 17 23 18 -- -- -- 3033 27 12 17 12 2133 924 10 0 2331 18 3431 12 18 35 7 32 23-- -- -- 12 34 11 32 36 20 24 3035 I have given you A GOLD MINE
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Hey! hang on! I think I saw this somewhere... Got ya! Is this video, trying to do exactly this?
http://betselection.cc/even-chance/triple-shooter-for-even-chances/msg16281/#msg16281 (http://betselection.cc/even-chance/triple-shooter-for-even-chances/msg16281/#msg16281)
Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
From VLS
Here is MIDO1 system. Can some of you figure it out and post explanation on how to play his system. Thanks.Ok first rule random it isn't random in the game of the roulette they are 8 lines in wich the 36 numbers are forming this lines lookline1 1 3 5 7 9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers line2 2 4 6 8 10 are black,even,small numbers line3 12 14 16 18 are red,even,small numbers line4 11 13 15 17 are black,odd,small numbersline5 19 21 23 25 27 are red ,odd, big numbers line6 20 22 24 26 28 are black,even,big numbers line 7 30 32 34 36 are red,even,big numbers line 8 29 31 33 35 are black,odd,big numbers It isn't a system it how the game of the roulette make patterns from this numbers and this is how u will take an edge always ,believe me,the betting you should study this I am making you pen the your yeys Permanenzen vom Tisch 2 vom 05.12.2007look at this30 16 19 3 1 5 14 9 23 7 14 29 252 26 31 14 35 24 1013 18 17 23 18 -- -- -- 3033 27 12 17 12 2133 924 10 0 2331 18 3431 12 18 35 7 32 23-- -- -- 12 34 11 32 36 20 24 3035 I have given you A GOLD MINE
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I think I may have a handle on this. The clue seems to be in the 'left' and 'right'.
I will try and simplify my thoughts on this otherwise it is going to get confusing.
So there are 8 groups.
1 = 1,3,5,7,9
2 = 2,4,6,8,10
3 = 11,13,15,17
4 = 12,14,16,18
5 = 19,21,23,25,27
6 = 20,22,24,26,28
7 = 29,31,33,35
8 = 30,32,34,36
So I am going to the use the numbers provided and then convert them to the grouping they belong to.
Red on the left, Black on the right.
30 = 8
16 = 4
19 = 5
03 = 1
01 = 1
ok! here is where the group 1 repeated. Now I am thinking that you would play for the group 1 from here. (numbers 1,3,5,7,9)
05 = 1
That was a winner because the group 1 appeared. Keep playing group 1.
14 = 4
That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.
09 = 1
Another winner. Keep playing group 1.
23 = 5
That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.
07 = 1
Another winner. Keep playing group 1.
14 = 4
That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.
29 = 7 (The first black number to appear and go to the right)
That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.
25 = 5
That was a loss. Now here is where I think you would switch to playing group 5 numbers.
Why?
Look at the last 4 groups for the Red numbers.
5
1
4
5
The 5 is the 'closest' repeat.
02 = 2
That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.
26 = 6
That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.
31 = 7
That was a loss. Keep playing group 5. Now here is where the action starts for the black numbers.
Look at the last 4 groups for the black numbers.
7
2
6
7
There is a repeat with the 7.
So now you will play for the 7 group to appear. (numbers 29,31,33,35)
So you are now playing 2 groups!
Group 5 from the red numbers and group 7 from the black numbers.
14 = 4
That was a loss on both groups.
There is now also a change in bet in the red numbers.
Look at the last 3 groups of red numbers.
4
5
4
So the 4 now has the 'closest' repeat.
Play for the group 4 red numbers and continue to play for the group 7 black numbers.
35 = 7
That was a winner for the black numbers in group 7 and a loss for group 5.
Simples!
At least that's the way I read it.
I just crunched through those numbers from 30 to 35 and there is 16 wins between playing the groups from the red and black numbers as I explained.
Let's look at it from another angle!
The groups that appear from the Red numbers....
8
4
5
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
4
1
5
1
4
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
1
5 play the 5 from here!
4
8
4 play the 4 from here!
4
1
8
5
4
8 play the 8 from here!
8
8
8
Now let's look at the groups that appear from the black numbers...
7
2
6
7 play the 7 from here!
7
6
2
3
3 play the 3 from here!
7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
2
7
7
7
3
6
6 play the 6 from here!
7
The red numbers can only contain groups 1,4,5,8
The black numbers can only contain groups 2,3,6,7
Beginners luck alert!!!! [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]
Just went over to Spielbank Wiesbaden and got some numbers because I thought the numbers posted above were very player friendly!
Table 2. Yesterday.
17
20
19
35
05
06
02
16
34
19
04
19
14
23
The groups for red numbers.....
5
1
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
5
The groups for black numbers....
3
6
7
2
2 play the 2 from here!
2
There are a lot more winners after this.....
It's a curse!!!! [smiley]aes/pirate.png[/smiley]
I certainly wouldn't look to use any kind of negative progression with this. It would be better to gradually increase the stakes on whatever group started to become very hot.
Table 3. Yesterday.
26
34
20
18
24
05
34
36
The groups for red numbers...
8
4
1
5
8 play the 8 from here!
8
The groups for black numbers...
6
6 play the 6 from here!
6
Table 4. Yesterday.
33
15
29
22
01
36
17
11
20
21
01
12
16
04
18
15
18
The groups for red numbers...
1
8
5
1 play the 1 from here!
4
4 play the 4 from here!
4
4 **this is a time when maybe you would have increased the stake on the group 4 numbers**
The groups for black numbers...
7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
3 play the 3 from here!
3
6 **just a note here in case anyone is confused. You would not play the 6 from here. The 3 has two hits in the last three. The 6 has two hits in the last four. Stick with the hottest which is the 3**
2
3
Well that pretty much explains it. I like it. No need to play it like a robot as Mido1 suggests. Box clever and it's a nice little system. (assuming this is how Mido intends it to be played of course)
Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to give it a bash at Smartlive over 36 spins.
6
35
31
2
14
29
3
2
27
34
14
13
36
3
8
11
33
23
35
21
6
23
26
16
26
1
1
3
22
23
2
5
7
22
22
29
The red group...
4
1
5
8
4 play the 4 from here!
8 play the 8 from here!
1
5
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
5
1
1
The black group...
2
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
7
2 play the 2 from here!
3
2
3 play the 3 from here!
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
6
6 play the 6 from here!
6
2
6
6
7
It went through a lean trot losing around 70 units and then bounced back to finish +65 in total.
The 1 and 6 groups were flying towards the end.
One final thing that I noticed when running through several days of results is that you do get quite a few losing runs of 10-12 spins throughout a day. Then it often wakes up with a bunch of wins.
So an idea maybe to track for these 10-12 losing spins, wait for the first winner and then look to ride any upward trend.
The only downside to this is the time needed I suppose. Maybe the best way to get around this is to play at a live B+M casino where you can track several wheels at the same time. It would be much better IMO to try and let the variance help as opposed to using any risky staking plans.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go. :thumbsup:
Love it when friends jump straight in feet first into analysis!!!!!!!
[smiley]aes/eat.png[/smiley]
Have we found the Golden Mine Entrance?
Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 09:23:24 PM
Have we found the Golden Mine Entrance?
Hello Chris
What I will say is that I have hardly ever seen anything as streaky before!
I thought the numbers from Mido were too good to be true.....
Then I thought my test results were too good to be true.......
Something as streaky as this is not at all bad.
There is nothing worse than playing a waiting game, getting a paper win and then the trail goes cold again. This doesn't seem to suffer from that at least. The downside of something that can get really hot is that it will equally have to go very cold. This is why I would not try any type of negative progression on this. However a positive progression on one of the streaking groups could give some big wins judging by what I am seeing.
More investigation needed.... [smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley]
Just picking a day at random....
6th march 2013, table 3.
First 16 red numbers in their groups...
8
1
8 play the 8 from here!
1 play the 1 from here!
1 winner
1 winner
4
8
1 winner
8 play the 8 from here!
8 winner
1
8 winner
5
8 winner
8 winner
An example of where 58 chips would return 252 flat betting.
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Quote from: Bally6354 on July 29, 2013, 04:34:03 PM
Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to give it a bash at Smartlive over 36 spins.
Bally, fantastic analysis. Just another thought. Do you think we really need such a complex selection process. What if we pick the last group that appeared and play it until a win or a natural stoploss of 36u before picking next group. For your 36 spins from smart live I got to 173u and the max DD was -10. Spin data below.
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Spins,Group,Notes,BR
6,2,Play 2 until win or loss of 36u,0
35,7,,-5
31,7,,-10
2,2,Win.,21
14,4,Play 4 until win or loss of 36 u,21
29,7,,17
3,1,,13
2,2,,9
27,5,,5
34,8,,1
14,4,Win.,33
13,3,Play 3 until win or loss of 36 u,33
36,8,,29
3,1,,29
8,2,,25
11,3,Win.,61
33,7,Play 7 until win or loss of 36 u,61
23,5,,57
35,7,Win.,89
21,5,Play 5 until win or loss of 36 u,89
6,2,,84
23,5,Win.,115
26,6,Play 6 until win or loss of 36 u,115
16,4,,110
26,6,Win.,141
1,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,141
1,1,Win.,172
3,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,172
22,6,,167
23,5,,162
2,2,,157
5,1,Win.,188
7,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,188
22,6,,183
22,6,,178
29,7,,173
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Hello Priyanka
Your idea is good as well. That is a nice result for 36 spins. I am sure we could come up with a few good variations using these 8 groups of numbers.
cheers
Good idea bally....but what worries me is the fact that dublin bet actually has finales on the bet layout. Finales are similar groups to what you propose. So they arnt concerned. It should work with lines. A goup is a group. Also...thelong losing streak of 12 s apearence is random and could be back to back. I don't believe in virtual losses.
Hello Turner
I agree partly with what you say. The numbers on a roulette wheel have no real connection with each other.
On saying that... These particular 8 groups are interesting on the single 0 wheel.
The 1,3,5,7,9 are all on the left hand side.
The 2,4,6,8,10 are all on the right hand side.
The 11,13,15,17 are all on the right hand side.
The 12,14,16,18 are all on the left hand side.
The 19,21,23,25,27 are all on the right hand side.
The 20,22,24,26,28 are all on the left hand side.
The 29,31,33,35 are all on the left hand side.
The 30,32,34,36 are all on the right hand side.
Years ago, I used to look for croupiers that had a habit of going from one side of the wheel to the other. I found a few who I thought were quite good at it. I was hoping for one group on each side to bounce back and forth.
Something like....
30
12
36
14
30
It happened enough to give me some good days out.
So I have never really discounted these groups and that's what got my interest up when I was reading the thread over on VLS.
cheers
This is an interesting snapshot from yesterday's results on Airball Table 1 over at Spielbank Wiesbaden.
The potential was here to make a killing.
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It is mostly black numbers spread with a few red for the first 50 spins or so.
Here are the groups for the back numbers...
7
6
6 play the 6 from here!
6 winner
6 winner
6 winner
6 winner
3
7
3 play the 3 from here!
6
2
2 play the 2 from here!
2 winner
2 winner
2 winner
2 winner
6
2 winner
2 winner
7
2 winner
3
2 winner
2 winner
6
2 winner
2 winner
7
6
2 winner
2 winner
29 bets x 5 chips = 145 chips
17 wins x 36 chips = 612 chips
That's flat betting. There is loads of scope when betting just a few numbers to up the ante.
More interesting to me is a passage above where the groups went.....
6
2
2
2
2
2
2
6
2
2
7
2
3
2
2
6
2
2
7
6
2
2
The black numbers can only produce the following groups...
2
3
6
7
The 2 and 6 above were very hot with only ever a gap of 1 loss in between.
6 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
6 W
2 W
2 W
7 L
2 W
3 L
2 W
2 W
6 W
2 W
2 W
7 L
6 W
2 W
2 W
19 wins vs 3 losses in that sample.
So I am thinking that just playing one from either the black group or red group as opposed to playing one from each may be the way to go.
cheers
Here is a case in point why I think betting one group from both sides (red/black) may not neccesarily be such a good idea!
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You don't want to be betting a black group when the red is dominant and vice versa.
The following happens a lot......
RRR B RR B RRRRR B RRR etc
So this could be one 'filter' included at least to try and cut down on some of the bets.
A type of situational play is slowly starting to evolve. The aim if at all possible is to eliminate some of the variance and try and be betting into the 'purple patch' more than anything else.
Now that you concluded that do one side why not just do a FTL of the groups
Quote from: Priyanka on July 30, 2013, 02:57:43 PM
Now that you concluded that do one side why not just do a FTL of the groups
Priyanka
That would be ok until you get the dreaded chops!
RBRBRB etc....
You coul get something like...
16 RED (GROUP 4)
20 BLACK (GROUP 6)
12 RED (GROUP 4)
31 BLACK (GROUP 7)
14 RED (GROUP 4)
2 BLACK (GROUP 2)
So FTL here could catch you out. However there is a trend developing on the group 4. This is why I think any winning roulette strategy that we can come up with is going to depend on some kind of situational awareness. We can't change the odds, so we need to find a way to beat the game. :)
Here is a quick example from today....
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You can see playing the black groups is not producing much. Yet the group 5 in the reds is going great.
This is why I personally don't think it's a good idea to play systems cast in stone. You have to adapt to what is unfolding before your eyes.
I was thinking some more about this earlier and it strikes me that the best approach would be to just use it as the occasional attack weapon.
Set aside 20/25 units.
Wait for one of the groups to wake up and then attack it using a positive progression. Maybe something like up 1 unit (win or lose) on every spin. Stop when you are happy with your profits or when you have exhausted the original 20/25 units you set aside. It seems the best way to try and capitalize on some of the hot streaks that occur.
cheers
here is a quick 300 spin test playing both red and black groups, flatbetting
Unless I got something wrong this does quite good (for now at least)
numbers if someone wants to check
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34
8
33
16
0
9
15
36
8
6
24
5
28
33
7
3
4
26
34
2
36
4
0
24
10
8
13
14
6
13
6
20
26
9
16
3
6
26
20
12
15
5
2
3
14
2
18
18
2
11
36
14
25
9
24
5
4
11
23
12
30
12
8
34
13
22
7
5
13
12
10
12
1
32
18
5
10
24
11
18
17
11
24
24
24
23
24
32
5
6
31
3
27
20
5
33
6
18
25
4
12
2
21
18
18
33
7
6
12
16
8
28
34
30
9
18
11
11
16
20
16
20
20
17
12
16
15
12
10
34
12
8
15
22
15
19
21
31
22
15
36
36
19
0
23
17
8
13
28
11
26
19
8
16
7
30
11
12
26
25
18
16
15
25
13
17
14
18
17
30
25
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12
12
11
5
28
12
24
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14
16
28
28
5
8
24
28
16
0
22
16
23
8
0
23
6
0
17
21
26
26
24
25
29
5
23
20
27
5
3
35
5
32
12
17
35
1
3
7
30
8
31
25
16
1
7
32
21
22
13
15
31
35
15
32
34
28
33
1
34
6
29
35
15
21
12
31
3
10
17
6
28
19
35
19
13
0
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31
26
11
13
14
6
13
6
14
31
18
36
19
22
8
13
8
5
14
19
17
7
10
20
25
17
16
2
31
13
21
19
17
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12
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34
10
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16
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chris
hello
can you explain exactly
how you play so i can to my own test and send it to you to compare
best from france
roulette fan
@Roulette Fan
This is not my data.......I found it over at VLS forum, and thought it worthy of analysis.
MID01 has stated that he(well, could be a she, cause U just never know these days! [smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley])
is giving us a Golden Nugget.
So, I thought I would post up the data, in my blog, and hopefully get round to analysis very soon.
It is obviously EC groups, and I see Bally has really gone to town with it.
Will get back here soon, just busy on another project at the mo!
Cheers
I am just home from a 12 hour marathon session in a local B+M Casino. I really wanted to see how this worked live.
Thank you very much soggett for posting your test results. Very kind of you.
Well, I really did enjoy a lot of good luck with this today. I used it as an attack weapon like I suggested above.
Here is what I did.....
Up 1 unit on a win or loss.
So let's take the group 1 as an example. (numbers 1,3,5,7,9)
Here are some numbers that came out and I will explain how I played.
20 black (group 6)
5 red (group 1)
33 black (group 7)
1 red (group 1)
So now I would place 1 unit on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.
18 red (group 4)
That's a loss and I am down 5 units.
I now go up to 2 units on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.
7 red (group 1)
That's a win and I am +57 in front. I placed 5 chips on the first bet and 10 chips on the second bet. That's 15 chips.
I got returned 72 chips meaning I am ahead by 57.
Now I am going to place 3 units on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.
11 black (group 3)
That's a loss and I am now only ahead 42 units.
Now I am going to place 4 units on the 5 numbers in group 1.
3 red (group 1)
That's a win. I am now 166 units ahead.
You can stop at any time.
My golden rule was not to chase after 4 consecutive losses from the start. Stop and look for another opportunity starting from the 1 unit again.
This costs 50 units playing 5 numbers or 40 units playing 4 numbers if you don't hit any winners in 4 spins.
Some of the runs were unbelievable and I chickened out on a few. One run would have got me to a high of over 1200 units if I had carried on.
I think a sensible approach is to look for the winners to appear within 2/3 spin gaps.
Something like this for instance if you were playing group 1....
1
3
4
1
1
7
8
1
This is fine.
I have cards stuffed everywhere from today/tonight in my pockets and will go through some of them tommorow and elaborate further.
cheers
no problem Bally
looking forward to hear more of your results
btw - so you play only one color at a time?not both?
the next 300 spins were not that good but still ok, here is the 600 spins grapf, remember its only flatbetting
Hello
Here is a more detailed example of the way I was playing last night using this concept.
31 black appeared and was then followed by 33.
So the group 7 consisting of numbers 29,31,33 and 35 was playable.
I am going to go up 1 chip on each number on every spin. (win or lose)
Number 7 appeared and that's a loss of 4 chips.
So now I am going up to 2 chips on each number.
Number 29 appeared. That's a win and I am ahead by 60 units.
Now I am going up to 3 chips on each number.
Number 34 appeared and that's a loss. Down now to +48 units.
Now I am going up to 4 chips on each number.
Number 16 appeared and that's a loss. Down now to +32 units.
Now I am going up to 5 chips on each number.
Number 29 appeared. That's a win and I am ahead by 192 units.
(Here is the thing! Your next 3 bets would be 6, 7 and 8 chips on each number. That's 84 chips. That would still leave you 108 units ahead should you lose the next three bets.)
So now I am going up to 6 chips on each number.
Number 36 appeared. That's a loss and now the profit is 168 units.
Now I go up to 7 chips on each number.
Number 35 appeared. That's a win and I am ahead by 392 units.
Now I go up to 8 chips on each number.
Number 33 appeared. That's a win and I am ahead by 650 units.
Now I go up to 9 chips on each number.
Number 7 appeared. That's a loss and now the profit is 614 units.
Now I go up to 10 chips on each number.
Number 21 appeared. That's a loss and now the profit is 574 units.
(So obviously you have to decide at this stage how long you are prepared to chase another winner. You have plenty of chips in the bank so to speak. However the bets are slowly escalating every spin and another 4/5 losses from here is going to wipe out around 250 units. I explained in the above post how I think giving a number 2/3 chances to keep appearing seems like the best way to go.)
Now I go up to 11 chips on each number.
Number 29 appeared. That's a win and the profit is now 926 units.
It's fair to say this was a pretty hot streak and obviously this won't happen all the time. The good news is they don't need to.
On saying that, look at the example from one of the posts above where there was 19 wins vs 3 losses. That session or one like it could seriously win someone a lot of money.
The way I approach this is to mark both sides (red and black) and wait for a cold period. Then I am looking for it to wake up again. It sometimes wakes up with a bang and that's what I like about the up 1 unit on a win or loss staking plan.
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Quote from: soggett on August 02, 2013, 06:31:16 AM
btw - so you play only one color at a time?not both?
soggett, there is nothing stopping you playing both sides if you want to. However, it does get a bit expensive on the losing cycles. This is very streaky IMO. So it makes sense to look for a dominant side after a quite period. It might be that both sides wake up from a slumber and start performing well. That would be even better.
I don't find it that difficult to track this just watching the marquee. So it doesn't really need to be someone's primary method.
But I think it is brilliant used as an attacking ploy if you spot the opportunities. No harm in risking 40-50 chips every so often in an attempt to hit the jackpot.
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Here is the first group of numbers today from Spielbank Wiesbaden on Table 3.
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That looks like a nice win right there on the 1,3,5,7,9 group.
EDIT: You are sitting at +726 after that last number 7 appeared. The next 4 losses would swallow up 290 chips still leaving the profit at +436.