Thanks for sharing KFB!

Never heard of "ante" while playing baccarat.
Actually what does that mean
?
Thanks, hope you keep posting



as.

KungfuBac:
"One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner."

Alrelax:

"Where I play a lot, Panda 8 is not offered.  But I still pay attention to 3C8s for the player.  I cannot recall a show without any.  But as far as the F7 goes, plenty of shoes without a Single One!  Once, I came in and there were already 4 consecutive shoes without one!!!  Then I witnessed another 3 consecutive shoes without one.  On the 8th shoe at the same table finally a single F7 appeared."


Yes, on the very next shoe after the "No P8 or F7" shoe--Five 3c7 presented but two were Nonwinners (tied/defeated). Around hand 60ish three out of four consecutive outcomes were F7 Bonus winners.
    I didn't have any of the F7s as I probably only wagered a total of four or five  f7 wagers in the five-shoes-from-hell.


Continued Success,

"One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner."

Where I play a lot, Panda 8 is not offered.  But I still pay attention to 3C8s for the player.  I cannot recall a shoe without any.  Usually more than 2-3 on the average.  But as far as the F7 goes, plenty of shoes without a Single One!  Once, I came in and there were already 4 consecutive shoes without one!!!  Then I witnessed another 3 consecutive shoes without one.  On the 8th shoe at the same table finally a single F7 appeared.

It happens.  As I say, "play long enough and anything and everything will occur".

As my pictures I post show, I do consistently receive 3-5 F7s better than 50% of the times I play. 

Session From Hell        

I just returned from a multi-night Bac excursion. Most days and sessions were unremarkable. The typical up/down and then I would win 3-4 pressed bets in a row/ finish shoe on an uptick and lock in a nice profit,...etc. No big-win shoes for the whole trip. NADA.

However, I played one session that included five full shoes from start to finish. This was the session from Hell.LOL.
Different tables but same casino. My hit rate across all five shoes: 22W 33L. That is correct. Not even 50%. I can't ever remember having such a weak hit rate across five shoes(maybe a really bad shoe or two sometimes). The worst part: I was never above the 50% hit rate. Making it worse was the fact I couldnt seem to win >=4 iar consecutive winners(not necessarily same consec events).

I was drawn down (-2500--4400) for most of the session. Near midnight I finally put four consec Ws together and recouped to only being down (-1830) for the session. I departed and went to bed. This was an Indian casino in Midwest,USA that charges an Ante from Thursday 1159pm---Sunday 1159pm. I refuse to pay an ante as IMO its usury. So I do not play here on weekends.

*One shoe did not have a single Panda8 or Fortune7 winner. Two 3c8 and 3c7 presented but they lost or tied so no bonus winner.

**One shoe did not have a 3iar(iar:In A Row) same-side winner until the latter part of shoe(approx hand 65--70 and then only one of each (PPP and a couple hands later a BBB). This shoe had several 5 individual chop streaks(pbpbp ,...etc). I actually caught both of these "third" winners. I recalled some of my conversations with forum alum AsymBacGuy and the likelihood for a shoe to finish without at least one 3iar same-side winner. I have only had one shoe in my life that did not show a PPP and or a BBB.



More later,

Good to see the site back on line.

I agree with AsymBacGuy et al:

"...I still have to read a lot of posts made in the past by people who I'd consider among the best gambling scholars, you first.

Yep, we do not need a forum with magic systems, garbage sellers or threads soaked by fights and verbal abuse...."

This is the only Bac site I have ever joined. So I certainly missed it while it was down for maintenance.
    During the past couple weeks I searched for a decent Bac site that seemed to have veteran players(that actually played) and not just posters, system sellers, ...etc. I did not find any Bac sites that seemed satisfactory. I finally found a roulette site and a Sports Betting site with some worthwhile posts to read. The Sports-Betting site seemed to have some serious and full-time professional gamers(No real Bac players/posts though). The roulette site had some good posts from the past but only a handful of posts since 2022. However, roulette isn't my game of choice.

Bottom line: This site has an abundance of past/present posts for the serious Bac player /gamer. Hopefully some of the lurkers will join or signin more often. Maybe take a couple minutes and post a note, trip report, comment, ones local casino conditions, tell us where you play(B&M, online),ask questions, your biggest win, ...etc.



Continued Success To All,

Winning patterns and losing patterns

Think deeply about this: If you want to be ahead of something (other than by short term luck) you need to get a pattern winning at least two times in a row or to come out at a selected spot after a given sequence of losses (being one, two, three or more).

Technically that means to spot a kind of homogeneous (albeit short...that is just two events) step movement towards the winning side or to stop a given losing sequence by one step back, so an alternating W/L succession could come out at our favor too, even if the asymmetrical 0.75/0.25 probability will cause more units lost at L sequences than winning units at W sequences.

The natural W sequences being more probable than two steps just add more fuel at our plan. But in order to avoid the fkng negative variance, it's better to play our main bets towards W sequences being clustered just one time or, at a lesser extent, to limit L sequences to show up as isolated (singled) and not hoping to get long W spots around any corner.

Nonetheless we'll see that waiting patiently (meaning to assess some shoes dealt) some specific losing lenght successions to show up, our edge over the house will be astronomical.

Basically at the first degree of operations our algos work about those simple situations: (cl=clustered and isol=isolated)

W(cl) > W(isol) (main tool)

L(isol) > L(cl) (secondary tool)

So a valid random walk to be reliable must get:

W(cl) + L(isol) > W(isol) + L(cl)

There's no way that itlr such proportion will be disregarded for long as a 0.75 probability overwhelms the 0.25 counterpart, even if we use the most vulgar bet selection.

Yet, some quite rare consecutive shoes will pose a threat about that, forcing us to choose which of the two elements (Wcl or Iisol) will get the best probability to confirm the above main assumption.

That's the secondary level of algos "thought".

Given for granted that (albeit being relative rare) consecutive W(isol) plus L(cl) sequences are very harmful, algos are somewhat "forced" to choose which element will be more silent at the remaining portion of the shoe and of course they set up a higher level of both W clustering effect and L isolated effect.

Thus now the W clustering effect comes out as effective just after TWO fictional winning spots, the L sequences by now remain "undepictable" as long as they won't concede room to the more likely W clustered sequences.

Therefore given a 0.75/0.25 W/L probability, whenever a relative unlikely WLL sequence happens, algos remain still until a two clustered W event will show up.
Actually they couldn't suggest any bet whether the actual W/L count is in the positive or if the actual shoe was already played for the most part.

After all, if a given "more likely flow" should happen at most part of shoes, some shoes must somewhat balance such slight propensity, a sure sign not to bet a dime.

See you next week.

as.

Hi ADulay
They look identical IMO.




Continued Success,

Patterns exploitation

I've stressed one million times that there are no ways to beat the game by using progressions (unless the method provides a FB advantage) or simply by thinking we are able to get more wins than losses by a magic mental power.
Or that after P or PP or PPP or PPPP the best bet to make is wagering B. This is total worthless rattlesnake.sh.it tested and tested and tested and getting (obvious) negative results itlr.
 
What we should be really interested about is the application of some random walks that have demonstrated, beyond any shadow of doubt, that move a lot (say well more than math expected) around the 0 neutral value.
It happens that some r.w's are very slight shifted towards one side of the operations, a thing that can only improve our results.

Technically is just putting ourselves to decide what to do after a specific pattern (of given  quality and given quantity) will show up infinite times and then registering the W/L step movements getting far or getting close to the 0 neutral value. Or, naturally, featuring very slow or slow step movements in a way or another.

This procedure needs some time to be exploited and it's not a coincidence that many casinos will entice players to bet every hand where the random world assumes the maximum peak and where the math casino's edge will take its full value. And of course patterns need some hands to be formed.

Then a pattern must always be classified by its quality and average range of apparition per shoe, a thing tending to limit further the "unknown" world Al was correctly talking about.

See you later

as.

Thanks Al, very welcome thoughts from yours.

You wrote:

Bac shoes produce unknowns.  Period.  The trick is to identify something to follow or stick with whatever it is you can profit by.  As far as the sticking with a grind, boy—to me that is tough.

100% true.
But to beat the unknowns we must rely upon "knows", surely sticking with what the shoe is presenting could be a decent rule to follow. But it's not sufficient, IMO. At least for the vast majority of bac players that do not have your experience to know when to stop and when to follow through. Let alone when starting the betting.
Maybe it's the "sections" concept you've stressed along in your posts.

as.

Hey guys,

  This is a test video (20 seconds) to see if the Google Photos rig works a bit easier than my usual method of uploading to YouTube and posting that type of link.

  This was coming back from the range after the Monday night match.

  If you cannot view it or it looks bad on your screen, please let me know.

  The "Google" link is just that.  A link to the video whereas the YouTube video displays as a video.  Try them both and they "should" look identical.

  AD

Test Google Video Link