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Title: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 17, 2012, 11:11:41 PM
The "boom" positive progression is intended to exploit the common happening of a location showing multiple times within a cycle.

This is entirely cycle-based, which means you should never deviate from the max. spin that closes it.

You assign the amount of units of a payout to face the cycle.

The basis is that you will re-invest the units won, divided by the number of spins left to cycle-end.

Example: You are betting a single number and get a hit at spin 15.

Cycle = 36
Hit at = 15

36 - 15 = 21

21 is the amount of spins left to sustain the bet.

How much to rise for those spins?

You rise by the result of payout divided by spins left.

In the case of a straight-up number, it is:

(36 * 1) / 21 = 1.71

So you add +1.71 units to your base bet for the rest of the cycle (tops).

1 + 1.71 = 2,71 units on the number now.

Shall you get another hit at -say- spin 23, your accounting will be:

36 - 23 = 13

13 spins to sustain the new bet.

(36 * 2.71) / 13 = 7,50 units on the number.

To be held for the next 13 spins tops.




Of course, there is a point in which you must take your wins, so it is advisable to take profits when on the plus, especially when playing several numbers this way at the same time.

At all times you know you are risking EXACTLY one payout of your base unit.

In the case of a single number it is 36 units, but in the event of having concatenated wins in the cycle, the ROI can rise handsomely.

This can be extrapolated to nice-paying locations such as splits or streets. Lower-paying locations do not offer enough for it to really go “boom!”, so you better stick to the higher-paying betting locations when considering this.

Regards.
Vic
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: esoito on November 17, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
"The "boom" positive progression is intended to exploit the common happening of a location showing multiple times within a cycle."

A shame there's no non-fallacious guarantee that it WILL happen again...
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 18, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
Quote from: esoito on November 17, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
A shame there's no non-fallacious guarantee that it WILL happen again...
Now I picture you like:

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Max El Suave
;)

[Esoito Edit: I have to say he's better looking than I am !!   And, coincidentally, I stopped pipe smoking some years ago! ]
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Albalaha on November 18, 2012, 03:41:06 AM
Victor, can you please illustrate or anybody else who has understood it fully?
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: esoito on November 18, 2012, 11:56:22 PM
He HAS illustrated it clearly.  Even I can understand it!

Be more specific in identifying exactly what you're having trouble understanding.


Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 19, 2012, 01:21:18 AM
Hello dear Sumit, I think the best option is for you to post 37 spins, telling me a number with 2 or more hits for me to apply it on  :nod:
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Albalaha on November 19, 2012, 03:14:57 AM
He HAS illustrated it clearly.  Even I can understand it!Be more specific in identifying exactly what you're having trouble understanding.
   Esoito, I hope you understand the meaning and distinctions between "defining" and "illustrating". Victor has just defined this concept and not illustrated it.
QuoteHello dear Sumit, I think the best option is for you to post 37 spins, telling me a number with 2 or more hits for me to apply it on.

Here are your random numbers:
4 35 9 36 15 4 32 36 35 1 10 13 7 12 26 8 5 7 22 12 7 10 36 26 5 25 20 33 16 28 35 16 25 11 4 25 20 taken from random.org now, bet let's say 16.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: esoito on November 19, 2012, 06:01:06 AM
Certainly I know the difference -- thank you.

Victor used the word "Example" in his post.

That preceded what was obviously an illustration.

Meanwhile, life goes on.

Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Albalaha on November 19, 2012, 06:08:19 AM
QuoteVictor used the word "Example" in his post.
Indeed. Let him do it on my data too. That would be a clearer illustration.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Jarabo002 on November 20, 2012, 12:16:14 PM
I would like a similar formula for play in double dozens, but i don't know if it is possible to work.


Thanks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 20, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: albalaha on November 19, 2012, 03:14:57 AM
Here are your random numbers:
4 35 9 36 15 4 32 36 35 1 10 13 7 12 26 8 5 7 22 12 7 10 36 26 5 25 20 33 16 28 35 16 25 11 4 25 20 taken from random.org now, bet let's say 16.


Initial bank: 36 units.
Initial bet size: 1 unit.

#Spin / Number / Bet / Balance

#1 - 4 - 1 - 36
#2 - 35 - 1 - 35
#3 - 9 - 1 - 34
#4 - 36 - 1 - 33
#5 - 15 - 1 - 32
#6 -  4 - 1 - 31
#7 - 32 - 1 - 30
#8 - 36 - 1 - 29
#9 - 35 - 1 - 28
#10 -  1 - 1 - 27
#11 - 10 - 1 - 26
#12 - 13 - 1 - 25
#13 -  7 - 1 - 24
#14 - 12 - 1 - 23
#15 - 26 - 1 - 22
#16 -  8 - 1 - 21
#17 -  5 - 1 - 20
#18 -  7 - 1 - 19
#19 - 22 - 1 - 18
#20 - 12 - 1 - 17
#21 -  7 - 1 - 16
#22 - 10 - 1 - 15
#23 - 36 - 1 - 14
#24 - 26 - 1 - 13
#25 -  5 - 1 - 12
#26 - 25 - 1 - 11
#27 - 20 - 1 - 10
#28 - 33 - 1 - 9
#29 - 16 - 1 - 8

This hit bring us +36 units (1 unit from investment + 35 units from payout).

We are at spin #29, so:

36 - 29 = 7 spins left.

Now we divide the units obtained by the spins left in the cycle:

36 / 7 = 5.14 units

And add them on top of the base bet:

1 + 5.14 = 6.14 units.

We continue betting 6.14 units per spin.

#30 - 28 - 6.14 - 43
#31 - 35 - 6.14 - 36.86
#32 - 16 - 6.14 - 30.72

Second hit.

(36 * 6.14) = 221.04

Accounting for the last spin's units layed:

30.72 - 6.14 = 24.58

Adding it to payout: 221.04 + 24.58 = 245.62

Final balance: 245.62 units.

Now you know why its name is "Boom!".

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...Using casino money to create upward spikes in the balance can be quite rewarding to the session balance ;)

Vic
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Albalaha on November 20, 2012, 03:57:09 PM
Is it limited to two hits only or we may go further with it as well?
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 20, 2012, 04:06:55 PM
Quote from: albalaha on November 20, 2012, 03:57:09 PM
Is it limited to two hits only or we may go further with it as well?

Three and more hits can be pursued by the same proportions in the calculations:

( 36 * <units bet> ) / Spins left.




Just bear in mind the fact that the more hits pursued, the lesser the probability to successfully attaining win goal for the cycle.

You always have to ponder risk vs the likeliness of reward.

Cheers.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Albalaha on November 20, 2012, 04:10:59 PM
Do you mean to say, two is enough?
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 20, 2012, 04:22:49 PM
Quote from: albalaha on November 20, 2012, 04:10:59 PM
Do you mean to say, two is enough?
I mean to say I've learned in this game one should be careful in the way you manage the wins you have in your hands. If there's no reason as to look for a 3rd or 4th hit, then it is better to withdraw what you have collected for the cycle.

On the other hand, perhaps you have studied deeply the likeliness of a number coming 3 times and develop a strategy upon them (which truth be told, isn't that far-fetched, a number showing 3 times in 37 spins could be argued to be a regular happening). If such is the case, go for it  :)


Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Wally Gator on November 21, 2012, 01:39:13 AM
Victor,  have you give this any thoughts or tests with the "8 train" approach as a bet selection method?
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 21, 2012, 01:50:18 AM
Quote from: Wally Gator on November 21, 2012, 01:39:13 AM
Victor,  have you give this any thoughts or tests with the "8 train" approach as a bet selection method?
No, I haven't. Perhaps a fellow can do some test runs if he so wishes :)

I know this is good to boost concatenated hits within 37 spins, don't know up to what extent would it be for the "8 train" hits.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: PDA on June 15, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
What´s this?
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on June 16, 2013, 03:25:39 AM
Quote from: PDA on June 15, 2013, 10:52:10 PM
What´s this?
A *limited* positive progression for the straight-up location.


The limit is clearly defined as the current cycle i.e. exactly 36 spins (in order to match the payout)


Cheers!
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: PDA on June 16, 2013, 08:15:13 AM
Something is missing me there....not quite understanding.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on June 16, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
Quote from: PDA on June 16, 2013, 08:15:13 AM
Something is missing me there....not quite understanding.
Hello P. just imagine it for dozens.

A dozen cycle is 3 spins.

If you win at spin #1, you have two spins left.

Now you take your payout from spin #1 and spread it among spins #2 and #3 in order to make more $$$ if you hit.

THIS SIMPLE!

Only in the case of numbers instead of being 3 spins, you spread it among 36  :nod:


Cheers!
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Jarabo002 on June 16, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
This progression, applied to streets can give a fantastic result, but I keep beating around the bush, and I can not fit the pieces. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on November 18, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Just recommended "boom" to a fellow friend :)
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: Sputnik on November 19, 2015, 12:16:39 PM

Thank you Victor :-)
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on July 28, 2017, 07:07:59 PM
"Boom" can be nice on multiple locations; the more payout, the better. Double-streets, quads, streets, splits and -of course- straight-ups.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: zuffle on August 03, 2017, 03:24:02 AM
Works very well on straight up numbers as well if you use a good strategy and the right length cycle.
Title: Re: "Boom!" positive progression
Post by: VLS on May 11, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: zuffle on August 03, 2017, 03:24:02 AM
Works very well on straight up numbers as well if you use a good strategy and the right length cycle.

As a curious note, I tend to like "transforming" wheel methods to street-wheel ones since the "times" accelerate and the payout is reasonable while still having a good cycle dynamics.

i.e. the "super zones". They can be sweet on the the street-wheel:

https://betselection.cc/meta-selection/street-wheel/