Einstein once commented upon the sole way to win roulette: "Steal chips when croupier isn't looking".
Obviously, he was joking and was justified too since there is no simple mathematics that can beat the odds of the game, house edge, variances and table limits.
In a very complex mathematical setup and multiple bets running together through a bot, it has been recently made possible to beat millions of data, without ever going deeper than 14k. Mostly, a drop of 3 to 5 k can be witnessed but when u try millions of spins with infinite permutations and combinations possible of multiple bets that we run together, it is not very horrible.
The credit to develop such a complex working bot goes to none other but my friend Ophis. We have tested more than 10 millions spins data, including the one million provided by Bayes to confirm this. Winnings are not nominal but quite visible. We are still working to better it, even more and make it a money minting machine.
It is a dream come true. See the graphs to feel its strength.
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some more samples:
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and some more:
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and here is sample of 2 and a half hours of play on playtech.
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Will someone provide any other long sessions data? I have tested whatever I had and Ophis did the same.
Hi, very interesting data. Test my sample of playteach spins. What kind of system is this? :)
Regards,
Magoo
Quote from: Magoo on January 15, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
Hi, very interesting data. Test my sample of playteach spins.
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just small notice:
systems are configured to work with 15 000 units bankroll (150 euro at 0.01)
but this can be adjusted from -1000 to -100 000.... bigger bankroll = more profit.
There is a safer mode with lesser earning.
very nice job guys :thumbsup:
with the safer mode what is the max DD over the same spins (the first few graphs) ?
and how less did the BR end then? Is it worth the safer way?
Can it be played live?
Will you release the tracker/bot? Through MST?
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
very nice job guys :thumbsup:
with the safer mode what is the max DD over the same spins (the first few graphs) ?
and how less did the BR end then? Is it worth the safer way?
Can it be played live?
Will you release the tracker/bot? Through MST?
You can see drawdowns yourself very clearly in the bot graph. This bot is not for public release. Playtech casinos are being added too in it. You can PM Ophis to buy or hire it.
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 02:26:27 PM
You can see drawdowns yourself very clearly in the bot graph. This bot is not for public release. Playtech casinos are being added too in it. You can PM Ophis to buy or hire it.
Ok,
Can you tell us if this bets on EC, dozens, straight up or what? and are the stakes within table limits? what's was the max bet?
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
with the safer mode what is the max DD over the same spins (the first few graphs) ?
u set up max DD you can handle *bankroll*
if u reduce bankroll from 10 000 to 1000 u can expect 10times less bets/profit.
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Is it worth the safer way?
If instead of bankroll u got time.... then yes.
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Can it be played live?
In theory - yes.
But... 400spins/night... profit too small.
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Will you release the tracker/bot?
Tracker - No.
Bot - Probably yes. But need to implement more casinos and most defiantly not for free. Why?
1. There is tons of work put into this.
2. People do not appreciate free stuff.
3. This is EPIC.
Quote from: soggett on January 15, 2013, 02:41:22 PM
Can you tell us if this bets on EC, dozens, straight up or what?
Strait up. 2-35 numbers. Bets vary. All withing configurable limits according to specific casino.
John,
It has been explained that it bets straight ups, based on certain triggers with progression. Bankroll explained already. What else u want?
Guys
I am sure Ophis will allow someone to test the bot or else he will allow everyone a trial version. I'm sure he can put a time-out feature in it somehow so that it is only good for X hours.
Ophis
Sure would be nice if this thing worked with some American based casinos like are coming out of Vegas and Atlantic City. I could only use it if it works at Dublin or BV.
Thanks for all your hard work, guys.
Sam
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 15, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Why sell this if its half as good as you claim.
This was not posted to make profit out of it.
It was shown show all of you serious players that there is no reason to loose hope because in fact roulette can be beaten in the long run.Quote
You should be using it yourself to make a mint as I will with my methods.
All your methods are HAR Voodoo. Which work only for you. Anything that cannot be tested is not true.
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If its good it should stand up on the original format of roulette. THE LIVE WHEEL.
it does. chart of 3million spins is from wisebaden.
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Why sell this if its half as good as you claim.
Yes... old talking. No one will ever publish holy grail... grow up. Not everyone is selfish.
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How much bankroll required to work it for starters?
Already said that you can choose what sort of bankroll you have... from 100 up to ...what ever.
But numbers of bets relay on this. that's why 10 000 is recommended.
But i can setup settings on 250 units and run those 3millions if u want... it will pass them... just not much profit.
And for starters i recommend going to work.
U can't take out if you will not put in. And you defiantly won't become Bill Gates with 10euro in your pocket.
No idea what's wrong with 100 euro (10 000units) as a bankroll... i earn more pay day in my day job.
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And asking people to part with money for it.
Do you really thing this should be free?
Iv already give reasons why its not free:
1. There is tons of work put into this.
2. People do not appreciate free stuff.
3. This is EPIC.
The questions is more like... should be made public?!
If it will ever be public it will be on % of winnings based anyway.
u Win u pay some % as a tribute to developers.
u don't play u don't pay.
Well said, Ophis. Go with Voodoo and unproved method that always lose in long run or try something that can work seriously for you. This is not a very basic method with basic progressions or triggers. Not recommended for short session players. Basically, this bot is meant for those who can let it run for long and watch it or do your chores setting your stop loss and wintarget. At present the bot is configured only for betvoyager but it will get playtech casinos, very soon.
Here you have more spins to test!!! :)
Sure, Magoo. Here you go.
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Okay. So in 3million spins you won 105000 units.
that's 1 unit every 29 spins. It had a max Drawdown of 8000+.
At BV you can do about 3-4000 spins a night so that's a 103-137 units a night.
Now if you play with cents that's 1Euro for a whole evening. 80Euro drawdown for 1euro.
So to make this remotely worthwhile it would have to be played with euros meaning you need a 10000euro bank.
Everyone said the Holy grail would be expensive but i think that's a bit insane. :zzz:
Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:58:08 AM
Im stating the simple fact that you want to play with pennies and that would not make it a worthwhile option.
So... instead 0.03 unit/spin profit u prefer -2.7%?
BTW:
Playtech = 10 000 spins/hour = 30euro with 0.1
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Im glad you're going to go and sell everything you have so that you can win a few units and also at a table with 8000+ limit.
U can play with 1000... or 500.
Why are you even here if u don't have money to play with? Roulette is not about making money... its about multiplying them.
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More than one methods would pass a very large number of spins, if the spread is as at BV. 1 to 100000.
Its not required. Table limits does not matter. You can change that.
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 11:31:06 AM
Einstein once commented upon the sole way to win roulette: "Steal chips when croupier isn't looking".
Obviously, he was joking and was justified too since there is no simple mathematics that can beat the odds of the game, house edge, variances and table limits.
In a very complex mathematical setup and multiple bets running together through a bot, it has been recently made possible to beat millions of data, without ever going deeper than 14k. Mostly, a drop of 3 to 5 k can be witnessed but when u try millions of spins with infinite permutations and combinations possible of multiple bets that we run together, it is not very horrible.
The credit to develop such a complex working bot goes to none other but my friend Ophis. We have tested more than 10 millions spins data, including the one million provided by Bayes to confirm this. Winnings are not nominal but quite visible. We are still working to better it, even more and make it a money minting machine.
It is a dream come true. See the graphs to feel its strength.
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No mathematics can beat roulette. It appears looking at your 20k Playtech sample that you bet on average every 400-500 spins and in 1M spins it would mean max around 3000 bets with heavy progression...... ;)
???
Ophis, how many placed bets in average for 1 million spins? An what is the z-score of the method?
Thanks in advance
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 17, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
Ophis, how many placed bets in average for 1 million spins? An what is the z-score of the method?
Thanks in advance
don't have that kind of statistics because didn't want to implement even more calculations in this bot.
But lately i was wondering my self what is the z-score here, i will let you know if i will have that done.
About bets. don't think that there will be millions of them... after all those systems suppose to be "supplements" in the grand project, but they performed so well (read: passed damn million spins) that i though i should show that.
Either way the idea here is to do something like MST but with "smart" systems (even unplayable) that actually can pass tons of spins.
Problem with MST is that adding -2.7% + -2.7% won't give you + no matter how you connect them.
that's why im trying to create systems that win... small (those do 0.03unit/spin)... but win.
if you add multiple system that will produce 0.0x/spin u can actually have something neat.
BTW:
Anyone got any systems that passes millions of spins? (even unplayable)?
Quote from: Ophis on January 18, 2013, 12:18:08 AM
don't have that kind of statistics because didn't want to implement even more calculations in this bot.
But lately i was wondering my self what is the z-score here, i will let you know if i will have that done.
About bets. don't think that there will be millions of them... after all those systems suppose to be "supplements" in the grand project, but they performed so well (read: passed damn million spins) that i though i should show that.
Either way the idea here is to do something like MST but with "smart" systems (even unplayable) that actually can pass tons of spins.
Problem with MST is that adding -2.7% + -2.7% won't give you + no matter how you connect them.
that's why im trying to create systems that win... small (those do 0.03unit/spin)... but win.
if you add multiple system that will produce 0.0x/spin u can actually have something neat.
BTW:
Anyone got any systems that passes millions of spins? (even unplayable)?
Ophis
Looking at your Playtech sample of 20k spins there are sometimes more than 1000 spins without a bet. I think that you can give us a ballpark figure. And there are lots of systems that can pass 1M spins especially when you place only few thousand bets. For continuous play play Reversed Labby on RX. You will pass 1M few times. :D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 18, 2013, 07:18:49 AM
Ophis
Looking at your Playtech sample of 20k spins there are sometimes more than 1000 spins without a bet. I think that you can give us a ballpark figure.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 18, 2013, 07:18:49 AM
And there are lots of systems that can pass 1M spins especially when you place only few thousand bets. For continuous play play Reversed Labby on RX. You will pass 1M few times. :D
Can you post those LOTS of systems? sounds interesting.
Question for you,If I would use your system with a bankroll of 150E as a start and you configured to this. What would the result be if you play these playtech spins? Thanks :)
Thanks for the great work and sharing of info Ophis and Albalaha!
Albalaha, would it be an idea to start a thread in which you discuss certain aspects of this winning method. Not describing it exactly if you do not wish but answering questions in a helpful way even if vague.
We can learn a lot and perhaps help you to advance this method even more : )
Being able to play live would be the ultimate but running a bot on several casinos at once will do fine : )
Plenty of casinos, you mentioned that you have played on over 200.
AMK,
Please do not take it otherwise but what are being discussed here or for that matter in any other forum are all "new set of fallacies" leading towards bigger losses at the end and none worked to end the mystery of uncertainty, even slightly.
Nothing beats the game in absolute term, mind it. You can lose at a particular moment, even if you have thousand chips with you. We only strive to make a formulation that can win ultimately, beating a variety of probabilities (10 millions spins must be having most of them) if not all.
There are many guys around who are still speaking against it, even after open offer of evaluation given to the Admin himself. Victor may contact Ophis for this. The bot has all safety features and can be disabled by Ophis, in case of misuse.
P.S.: Please PM Ophis directly if you are willing to buy the bot. He has exclusive rights over selling it.
QuoteNo mathematics can beat roulette. It appears looking at your 20k Playtech sample that you bet on average every 400-500 spins and in 1M spins it would mean max around 3000 bets with heavy progression......
Do not try to speculate over it. Your brain will come out trying to guess what it does and how it wins over such huge data. If it does huge progressions, there has to be huge drawdowns too. ???
How does the bot overcome the periodic freezing on BV? Surely that's a problem on any lengthy session especially with a big progression.
Could be a problem on any site.
Trebor
Quote from: Trebor on March 28, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
How does the bot overcome the periodic freezing on BV?
Trebor
Bot is made to deal with all kind of BV issues.
DC/not processed requests/network swaping(when traveling)/server maintance
I got 2 bots running constantly for last 2weeks without any human intervention.
Quote from: Trebor on March 28, 2013, 02:23:34 PM
Surely that's a problem on any lengthy session especially with a big progression.
Bot by itself is not betting very often, and usually progression is not very long.
But there is possibility that DC will happen in middle of any progression.
I am aware of that and im taking that risk.
Quote[size=78%]Bot by itself is not betting very often, and usually progression is not very long.[/size]
But there is possibility that DC will happen in middle of any progression.
I am aware of that and im taking that risk.
Not only bot players have this risk but it is dangerous for manual playing too. We need to complain this to bv.
without talking about bots, lol.
Hi. This topic is dead? What happpened to this? Is this for sale or what?
This was never meant for Sale. Ophis initially thought of putting it on rent but finally he is using it for himself.
Nobody will put a money minting machine on rent. At times, as clarified, it takes a few thousands spins before starting to bet. At times, it may keep betting for hours.
So a 150 Euro bankroll would be sufficient for betting 0.01 units?
By the way,do you know any casino which offers 0,01 bets at all betting sectors?
Ophis,are you Greek? Because I'm.
If you still looking for results,I've s lot from brick and mortar casinos (single 0)