Great idea.  Even if a free registered member contributes, he should be elevated and even if a well known one doesn't offer anything valuable, he should be downgraded too. Make it: either perform or pay or roam around teasers.

QuoteI got systems that beat one set of 1kkk spins... but they will lose on another set.

why are you joking buddy?1kkk means 1 billion spins. Which system is doing that, please let me know?

QuoteAs I thought, and you are asking everyone to do it for you or to see if anyone actually can, as you said, I will stick with what I know works, thanks for the nudge. Same old Sumit lol

If somone does this positively, I won't take away that in my pocket. It will benefit all.

Quote[size=0.85em]I have no time for it, but as the numbers are known before the play, it  may be possible to  design a method for the spins, and if it will be possible it is still not sure it will past 15k other spins.[/size]


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[size=78%]    [/size]If someone just reverse engineers this number to form a method which will suit only this, the same won't work upon other 4 worst number of zumma or any other data having similar problem.[size=0.85em]

Those who feel that this challenge is a wastage of time, should move to other debates and do not spoil this topic.

Quotethis is a very good challenge, hope someone figures out how to beat it

I am afraid, most of the members are only moving from forum to forum to find a holy grail. No one wants to work for that himself.

QuoteSumit, cut to the chase, do you have a way of beating it? if you say you do you must be prepared to prove it, or are you still in the selling market?

                If I can beat this and can prove my method too and like to sell that as well, you won't be able to pay its price. So better don't waste your time and mine too.

As I said it so many times, it is not only about number 3. Number 3's performance is an evidence that your choice of bet selection may suffer from perpetual variance too. If I give 5 worst numbers of zumma as a bunch of bets of your choice, you will bleed dry, trying to fight them all.
          It is a question of handling a betselection which is perpetually underperformer. Be it an EC or a single number.
The real problem with you is u never got to learn serious stuff ever on any of the forums. When asked to play, one man is losing more than 51k chips. Others could not even dare to try anything. A few just uttered some raw ideas without knowing its impact. A few like you who could not find anything, came to fight with me.
             If you are not used to any serious and useful debate, go play martingale upon ECs, in one way or other.

Quoteincluding a member or thread not matching our site's light-hearted and productive spirit."

Victor,
          I know that very well that you and your administrative team (global moderators) have got every right to decide what you want to do on this forum or not. For example, it was you and your team that decided that you will no longer serve as Admin and remove ads and later came back with S*** ads again. So what is the use of all these debates and quotations? You are definitely not going to get a consensus before deciding what you need to do and not.
           Even if you decide today that a great forum admin (of another great forum) will be the owner of this place, what can anybody do?

And beside this, who is qualified enough to decide which topic is constructive or not? I may feel that all the suggested betselections, progressions and full systems are not constructive as none of them is useful in long run. Should all be removed then? This was the tactic that a great admin of a forum (I have promised Esoito that I won't call names till instigated to do so) used to prove that this guy should be banned.
          We must learn from our earlier mistakes and that of others too.

QuoteWhat caused this decision?  And, how much do we need to keep this forum up and functional without ads altogether?

Wally, it is not about money. Steve is not paying anything for ads, as Victor said. Victor is under some contractual/moral obligation to put Ads of Steve on every site that he owns. Do you want to lose Victor as admin for the sake of removing Steve's ads?

Unless some thread promotes hatred or defematory, I don't think that should be removed. This way, forum may turn autocratic too. My opinion.

QuoteBut I am saying enough criticism is enough. Time to stop it and move on.

Ok. Cease fire. I won't comment upon him till someone starts singing praises of him. OK?

And may I show your own feelings regarding Free Speech:



Voltaire must be spinning in his grave over comments written by the owner of a gaming forum about a member simply because the owner of the forum does not agree with what the member writes, and the methods that member espouses.May that NEVER happen here.
This forum should be the place where ideas can be freely expressed, tested and tweaked without ridicule, fear or favour. If we read something we disagree with we have two choices:1  Express our thoughts politely and tactfully with consideration of the other person's feelings 2  Change the channel -- switch to another thread entirely and ignore the one that we disagree with.How often is somebody hurt because of the WAY an opposite opinion is expressed? More often than not I would think. For this to continue to be a happy, gentle and productive place two things need to happen:

• We all need to be sensitive and careful in how we write our opinions of others' ideas and thoughts. (Choose our words carefully as though we are the recipient)
• And us Moderators need to be vigilant and make it possible for YOU to continue to write...

QuotePUBLIC slamming and criticising of other forums and their owner should now STOP.

Sadly, this noble thought is not there with the guy you are supporting so much with his forums had "Mark **** fraud" explained in the home page itself and has a false review site made to bash all system sellers except him.
        Someone who has been jailed for cheating masses is trying to defend the world from scammers and if such people wants to be worshipped even after bashing many dedicated members on false pretext and later removing them even after positive votes in their favor, it is ridiculous.
                If you want to see the reality and acceptability of Steve in our place, why not open a voting for this?

QuoteAl. You know I've had the other site closed before selling to Steve again...

Then I think, we can better live with Steve's ads than leaving you as admin.

Quoteon spin 676 there is a hit and the balance is +463 unit[/size]after that it just goes down

That is what I am telling. If you can see the graph in previous page (page number 3 of this discussion carefully, you will see that upto spin number 676, it is winning even with flat betting.
                                       This challenge is an eye opener, if you take it positively. What you are reading here and there as systems are only teaching you for good times, where you will win even with flat bet or any negative progression but the challenge that I have given needs lots of better understanding of probability, statistics and mathematics, apart from common sense and experience of this game.


Anybody else?