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[VLS]

Hello! Just registered www.BetOnly.club

A new site to bring my vision of a proper betting discussion place, including embedded support to thrive. Its features:

- Non-betting discussion is outright banned.

- Main sections are: "Bet Selection", "Money Management", "Full strategies". Short and to the point.

- I'm the "Benevolent Curator For Life" of the site.

- Sponsors our BetSoftware bot.

- Won't disturb BetSelection.cc's ways.

- BetOnly.club is an entirely separate project.



..."Free is doomed, let's try paid"

Yep, let's allow the market to decide.

Vic

[alrelax]

Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site, of course run by our leader 'VLS'. 

Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?

I have received several inquires regarding this.  My understanding is the above.  Please clearly confirm.

As well. concerning BetSelection, my understanding is, within the "Blogs" AKA the "Highlighted", -Casino-Gambling-Casino Related-Personal from the participating members/guests, etc., is totally acceptable.  Within the "Sections" AKA the "General-Forums-MM, etc., postings and discussions regarding the thread topic.

I was under the impression as I know numerous members were, you were going to change all aspects of this site, except for the "Highlighted" section/Blogs, to post about systematic gambling wagering and that is it, nothing else. 

So, you are saying, a totally separate site?  Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc. 

Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to. 

Thanks,

Glen/Alrealx
Moderator and Member of BetSelction

[VLS]

Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site

Yep.

Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?

Correct.

I have received several inquires regarding this.  My understanding is the above.  Please clearly confirm.

I clearly confirm: BetOnly.club is a site with no ties to BetSelection's database, sections or ways.

I was going to "move the furniture" so to speak but received some generous & timely advise from great members.

Special thanks to you Bally, Angelo & Max.

So, you are saying, a totally separate site?  Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc.

Yes, created in order to break the "chicken & egg" problem.

It always breaks down to funding. I can only dedicate so many hours in the "night shift" after work. It's simply impossible for me to devote enough time to create what we deserve in such a way.

The more paying members, the more day-time hours I can devote to developing the "club". We've several projects in the back-burner; some for years now waiting for completion. It's time to finish them, even if it requires supporting members to pay.

It's this model or no development at all.

Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to. 

Thanks

BetSelection continues "as is". It's the best for both groups.

I'll be running my own personal vision of how a systems forum should be, developing freeware programs in the process and dedicating my work to those who share the vision and support it.

It's a "benevolent dictatorship"

Vic

[alrelax]

Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.

It is clear.

Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.

From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.

[VLS]

I'll be running my own personal vision of how a systems forum should be, developing freeware programs in the process and dedicating my work to those who share the vision and support it.

This is a nice one to be part of... Lots of fun for system players / enthusiasts

[Jimske]

Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.

It is clear.

Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.

From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.

The way I understand the new "systems" site you're not going to have much input into it Alrelax.

[alrelax]

I do not play systems, although some systems make sense if you can pick them apart and use what you can use in your style of play.  Possibly, it could be profitable that's another story and another area.

Victor wants to expand upon his systems within his computer programming on computer type of play.  I don't know anything about it and I don't get involved in this.

Kind of like Motocross dirt bike racing and racing bikes on asphalt or drag racing. Or possibly another analogy of fast food restaurant dining versus cooking your own food.

[VLS]

I'm still stubbornly creating our own "BetWeb" forum engine (custom).

Really aiming at making it the forum we've ever wished. Technical aspect included.

This project may be my last Betting-related project online hence it's rather important to get it right.

Given it sticks, we have a viable (stable) forum for decades to come

[VLS]

Yep, Almost zero "Noise" to systems ratio!

I will be curating an accompanying eBook to be sold on Amazon, eBay and other marketplaces.

Price for the club is $97 per year / 365 days.

Yearly rate will provide enough margin of "operational continuity" to make our new focused community thrive and also solve the upfront development hours for the 100% free software bot being sponsored.

The "Free Backdoor" is for new published method authors to be rewarded with 4 months / 120 days of free access.

[Sputnik]

What do I get for 100 Euro a year, what is the expectation.
I can be considered to become a member and think the price is right for the correct information and material.

For example, if you contribute with LW-Registry methodology and other solutions and methods like the old days Lanky was around.
Then I would be considering getting something in return for my investment.

I would not like to have a bunch of inexperienced members sharing ideas and pay 100 Euro a year for that kind of material and information.
My expectation would be that more experienced members contribute and share information, that way I would get some kind of return on investment.

Let me make one comparison, I can pay 100 Euro and get professional sports betting tips for six months into my mobile phone from one tipster with an edge.
That means I will get a return of investment during that half year betting from a range between 100 up to 400 Euro.

Victor, I take this matter very seriously.
I don't join a club where there is no substance of quality.

I elaborate on this to get some feedback on how you reckon you will run that forum.
Paying 100 Euro to get a place with no (no sayers) go keep a smooth discussion will not cut it as I only need to ignore members who not walk the same path as me.

Will make one more comparison, one baccarat forum take 50 Euro a month for membership.
It would be fine if you got something else then old methods that have been known for several years.
And the discussion just circles around flat betting with no known solutions then your own homework based upon others guesswork and hints.
Wast of my time and money when I can get several professional tipsters working for me and my money offering an edge and true return on investment, flat betting.
For half the price on a yearly basis.

Do you get my point?

If we can't learn to gamble and earn money in various ways, then I would not pay for any kind of service that offers less.
Actually, I expect you to open up like in the old days and start sharing again if you don't want this idea to vanish like some other project you had.

How would you interact with other more experienced members to share and keep discussions alive at your forum that requires a payment for membership?

Cheers

[VLS]

Hello, thanks for your post! Short & sweet answer: the expectation is to have a place where the only type of posting and interaction is expected to be system/method study.

That's basically it.

I am submitting all of the systems I've created throughout the years as well as my own variations on several methods form the spanish-speaking "scene".

Only time will tell if the "Free Backdoor" would attract other fellow members to submit theirs.



On a side note, the new site sponsors two bot projects:

- BetSoftware (traditional windows bot)
- BetOnlyBot (experimental bot for Linux, Windows, Mac, web and mobile)

Both are 100% free for the community as a side gain from this endeavor that benefits both members and non-members alike.

...with the new Bot enjoying direct access to the server for customized functionality enabled for paid members.



There are no holy grail promises, just hardcore method study with accompanying software for members to make their own conclusions.

Site's actually only ~$8.08/mo, but the payment is needed in advance in order to have the "safety net" to plan for the year as opposed to being of the verge of inoperability for the proverbial/perpetual next month.

Yearly planning and yearly sponsorship is quite the shift regarding what we have today.

The site WILL be kept clean and curated since it's a "live book" (which members can download - i.e. all the forum pages in a single .PDF)

It isn't a traditional gambling community per se but a very focused betting study site.

There will actually be no surprises regarding content. All the live posts have a % of visible content as a 24/7 preview.

[AsymBacGuy]

Good job! 

But softwares can't teach us about the actual conditions we're playing in.

If roulettes worldwide were adhering to the random.org site production I'd be the most wealthy guy in the universe.

as. 

[Jimske]

I can't see why I would pay to join as I already have many systems.  None of which I play. 

[VLS]

Sent this to a member, thought it would be good to post:

Hello _, some clearing points:

- The forum is not "Private" in the traditional sense. i.e. all system topics have a partial preview so there are no hidden method threads.
- It is more of a club where people gather to study methods. I provide the software for the testing (bots).
- There are no moderators, only me.
- Some contributions are expected by other fellow system creators in exchange of getting access to the content.
- We launch with a small extra promo to close the year where we give 50% extra active membership time for people who join to close 2018. i.e. 548 days instead of 365 days.
- The site is being put online @ www.betonly.club

I'm developing it on my computer so there's only a test page on the server right now.
Live (public) release is expected by Christmas. It's just a few days left to launch.

Cheers & many thanks for your interest!
Vic

[VLS]

I'm avoiding implicating "winning system" in the copy.

TL;DR:

- Users agree they are buying access to the server only. No winning system(s) claimed inside.
- Original system creators can submit their method in exchange of 4 months of access.

I'm at the point of stripping "half-way" functionality. It is basically Pages, Register and Post.