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[alrelax]

The shoe in Baccarat is a non-tractable mathematical structure.

Unlike a series of numbers or other event that has to appear because of fixed structure at certain things, the eight decks of cards in a Baccarat shoe will always vary from previous shoes because of inherently unpredictable fluctuations of unknown set-up of the numbers waiting to be presented. 

And that in itself, is the difference between a value able to be measured of a certain quantity and its true value (results waiting to be produced).  Therefore, the variability is an inherent part of the results complied by the person running the statistics and the actual testing process itself.

Errors and true values will always be present in gambling statistics.  Those will then be measured and interpreted by the so-called, "gambling experts" running the tests.  They sound good and they sound like they might work, but they will not.  If they did, as said a million times over, they would not even write about them, they would be using them in real-life, period.

In reality, both systematic and random errors will always be present in a shoe of cards attempted to be defined as to what will be presented and in what order.  Those errors will always be present in unknown quantities for every shoe in varying amounts due to the unknown order the cards have to come out in. 

Each and every Baccarat shoe will have a varying amount of both systematic and random errors if compared to previously run test results as well as the amount of both of those errors in the group of test shoes ran.  They will not match, not even in the same amount of large groups needed to get any type of results that will even represent something with a plus or minus accuracy of say 10 to 20 percent, which would be impossible anyway.  There is no way around deducing down to anything manageable, a system to define those two errors in a shoe of Baccarat cards with an unknown cut and burn of a varying amount of cards before the shoe is ready to be dealt. 

Because randomness cannot be modeled into a definitive process to happen, in the unplayed shoe of Baccarat cards waiting to be presented, systematic and random errors will never have the exact or similar result in every shoe yet to be played.

No gambler can minimize the unknown errors to make up the losses he has to encounter from his wins, using statistics and results from computer or manual modeling of Baccarat results.

The good news is, that there are many other ways to attempt and use advantages that will benefit the player rather than believing there is mathematical purity in a shoe of undealt Baccarat cards and belieiving  someone or yourself can figure that order out.   

[AsymBacGuy]

Good post but you take for grant that all bac processes are random...

Because randomness cannot be modeled into a definitive process to happen, in the unplayed shoe of Baccarat cards waiting to be presented, systematic and random errors will never have the exact or similar result in every shoe yet to be played.

It's not the case at least regarding my concept of probability.

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[alrelax]

As a generalization in the context of systems, methods and mechanical wagering and attempting to fit those into sitting down at a shoe of Baccarat. 

However, some will generally follow others but still, when they do or do not, will be random.  IMO and experiences. 

[AsymBacGuy]

As a generalization in the context of systems, methods and mechanical wagering and attempting to fit those into sitting down at a shoe of Baccarat. 

However, some will generally follow others but still, when they do or do not, will be random.  IMO and experiences.

If you refer to those mechanical systems or methods promising wonderful profits per each shoe dealt many scammers try to sell or what some internet clowns keep stating, you are completely right.

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[Lungyeh]

At any one time there are thousands of rounds being played on Baccarat tables in casinos throughout the world. If we are able to tabulate all the results, it is possible the results could reflect the mathematical expectations. Maybe over one round or maybe two or three.

But at the particular table you are at, at the casino you are at, there is a possibility of a clear trend at play ie a dragon Banker run or a dragon alternate (ding dong) run. Or a run of totally random no trend results. A run of results that suits a particular persona of a gamer. Whether he is a customer who is psychologically suited to bet repeats, alternates or random results. 

Whatever the results maybe he will win or lose depending on his selection methods.

That being the case, there will be situations suited for him to win or lose irrespective of his selection method. The difference is in his money management. His wins and how aggressive his win management is when the game at the table he is at manifest his playing style.  And the losses that will follow (as surely as the casino will still be there tomorrow), and his loss management that will determine whether he walks out a winner.

Blessed is the man who can be a consistent winner by his bet selection if he has no MM of the highest order.
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