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Title: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on November 14, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
The pick

Second and third column.

24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.

A lazy  and easy way to play .   .


For recreational  only. Play at your own risk








Nathan Detroit       
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: VLS on November 14, 2012, 01:03:03 AM
Welcome to the fray Nathan  :thumbsup: 

Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 14, 2012, 12:46:35 AMA lazy  and easy way to play .   .
Lazy and easy yet not sleazy  :D

Surely this one must be stirred with some tracking and staking plan to keep things under control.

...It is nice to see you here.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Koolkat on November 14, 2012, 06:14:42 AM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 14, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
The pick

Second and third column.

24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.

A lazy  and easy way to play .   .


For recreational playing only. Play at your own risk

Nathan Detroit       

Hi ND So simple yet can be so profitable!! Do you have any idea on MM on this so we can do some testing
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Albalaha on November 14, 2012, 08:02:55 AM
QuoteThe pickSecond and third column.24 numbers 12 low and 12 high numbers, 12 Red and 12 Black, 12 Odd and 12 Even.A lazy  and easy way to play .   



Very innovative and unique. Indeed.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: esoito on November 14, 2012, 12:54:33 PM
Very interesting method. Many will appreciate its simplicity I'm sure.

I love the disclaimer !    :thumbsup:

That should keep the lawyers at bay.

Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Or Steve.......

Jl................ :forbidden:
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: VLS on November 26, 2012, 11:47:21 PM
OK fellers, a wise cat told me this regarding this staking method:

QuoteIt`s a positive  progression while taking always profits on the way up.

I'm going to try to illustrate it by running some numbers below.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Ralph on November 27, 2012, 05:04:26 AM
It is normally not so I play 2/3 bets, but this sometimes at a BM casino using SEK 50 chips (the lowest you can use and about 7 dollars). The game can win good, but rapid lose as well. So stop if three losses may be right.


On line things differ, spins goes fast, and you can ride out a bad start using lower stakes and wait for a  winning streak. All positive progressions methods are waiting for a longer hit streak and then make good.


If a robot is used a couple of 100 spins is not that much. I coded the method, and change some to suit low stake online and longer sessions( if needed).


I set a win target to 10, the first col and zero start hit very frequent and it went down 62 units rather fast ( at a BM casino I should not let it go so far using 50 SEK chips, it should have been a loss)  It slowly climbed up and down and ended at 11 plus after  296 spins.
All sessions differ, but count with it can  go rapid up and down even as a 2/3 bet.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: VLS on December 02, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
This is how the 2nd and 3rd columns correlate to the Wheel:

European:

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American:

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Now I'm going to try to explain the staking plan as best as I can.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: VLS on December 02, 2012, 01:01:31 AM
Clarifications:

5 5 is simply five on each column:

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7 7 is simply seven on each column:


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10 10 is simply ten on each column:


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@Sam/All

Could you grasp the whole progression? It is VERY EASY once you see it written in single bets line by line  :)

Remember: It only rises unit AFTER A WIN, so on any loss you DROP BACK TO 5-5.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: spike on December 02, 2012, 02:36:17 AM
You can keep track of streaks and sleepers on the columns
by turning it into an EC. Track the 1st column and 2 5 8 11
14 17 from the 2nd column as one side, and the 3rd column
and 20 23 26 29 32 35 for the other side.

Record them as you would B/R and you can easily see when
streaks occur. It will also show you immediately which columns
are sleeping. For instance, if you see the 3rd column numbers
streaking, bet the 2nd and 3rd column. Your're only following
18 numbers, but betting on 24 gives you better odds of winning.

Bet selection is everything in roulette. Personally I would never
use a progression playing this way, you have a better chance
of leaving the table ahead just by flat betting. You don't need
a progression, you are depending on your bet selection method
to get ahead. You will always see streaks when the 1st or 3rd
columns are sleeping, and that's a lot sometimes. They can easily
sleep for 17 out of 20 spins sometimes. And when you see the
2nd colums sleeping, bet the 1st and 3rd. Don't get greedy and you
will be surprised how long you can last.


Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: TwoCatSam on December 02, 2012, 08:26:56 AM
Victor

Thanks for you very plain explanation.  The part I don't understand is what if you win at 5 5, then at 7 7 and then lose the 10 10.  Do you just start over at 5 5?  That is, you have won 5 units, then 7 units for a total of 12 units.  Then you lose 20.  You're down 8.  Do you just eat it and move on?

Sam
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Ralph on December 02, 2012, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 02, 2012, 08:26:56 AM
Victor

Thanks for you very plain explanation.  The part I don't understand is what if you win at 5 5, then at 7 7 and then lose the 10 10.  Do you just start over at 5 5?  That is, you have won 5 units, then 7 units for a total of 12 units.  Then you lose 20.  You're down 8.  Do you just eat it and move on?

Sam


Sam1


that's the way I do. I raise as long  I win and goes back on loss or 5 in progression (I stop on 5). Yes you can lose the last bet, as you can lose any bet. The point is to hope for a streak, you do not always lose the last  5 bet.   


I have coded it and use it some, it will not be win/loss as some inside methods, You can have a smaller bankroll. target is 10 units when I use it.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Ralph on December 02, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
I just did a run, this time it were often a loss on the last high bet. it went back 60 units. Slowly it come back at it needed  384 spins to get to target of ten plus. 


As it is a limit in progression, it is not so i would go better with a stop loss at 50, I had to start with 50 less next time and do the same climbing. In this it is other things indicating a stop. As you think you have to wait until a better point, all as you use to read the game. I use to run until I got other things waiting, and not even so the bot can run. If I lost 5000 unit I would change to other ways.  I have run this for about 50 rounds and got around ten each time. It takes time, and suit online better. At a BM casino you must have plus faster or stop.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Sputnik on January 18, 2013, 01:49:09 PM

Just took a look and want to say, nice topic ...

Cheers
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Dino246 on January 18, 2013, 02:34:47 PM
Hi ND.

I like your Column concept very much and i am studying all your hard work to date within this topic.

Back in 93' i mainly played only the columns as i could bet at the end of the table and not be in anyone's way,so any column idea i sit-up and take note.

Please continue......

Very Best.

Dino.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on January 24, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
A QUOTE:

Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on January 26, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
There will NEVER be an  infallible roulette  system ( s). Every once in a while    young whippersnappers  come  forward that  they  , and only they are the salvation.

This has  happened  many times during the  past 2 centuries.

Read " THE GAMBLER" by F. Dostoyevski .

Gambling systems are  for recreational purposes only .and should be played  at your  own risk.


N.D.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Ralph on January 26, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
You can bend it but never break it!
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 03, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Trend bettors fail to understand that what they are betting on is hindsight, and has nothing to do with proper play in the future-----even if that future is the very next spin , roll or turn of the cards."


Frank Scoblete, Casino Player Magazine May 2012

Posted for  information purposes only  as  given by Frank Scoblete . and  does not necessarily  reflect  the   personal  opinion of Nathan Detroit.

.  .



Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: wannawin on February 03, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
ONe question. What is the least amount of numbers you should play? In your opinion.

Do you subscribe to the idea that there are better chances with few numbers because it improves the pay?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
Wannawin,

Are you playing roulette in  a single   0 wheel  or a 0/00 wheel jurisdiction ?

N.D.



Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: wannawin on February 04, 2013, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
Wannawin,

Are you playing roulette in  a single   0 wheel  or a 0/00 wheel jurisdiction ?

N.D.

In the local casino I have access to both. I can use double-zero in automated roulette and a single zero  in manual dealer roulette.

I prefer the cheap 00.

You can call me Walter.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 04:33:01 PM
Walter,


That means no   live dealer 0/00 wheel is  available. Do you include with  automated also  airball or even better touch bet roulette ?


N.D.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: wannawin on February 04, 2013, 11:20:04 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 04, 2013, 04:33:01 PM
Walter,


That means no   live dealer 0/00 wheel is  available. Do you include with  automated also  airball or even better touch bet roulette ?


N.D.

Exactly. Then to be honest I prefer the automated roulette. It also has a real wheel so I do not think there is a difference to play the game as such. But of course you can not play the dealer.

The manual chips are inconvenient for me. For many years I have tried many systems for which I carry a game book for my annotations. To keep notes and count casino chips at the same time is an extra burden. In the machine the counts are all automated. Besides the fact that the draws are executed at a predictable time.

Also I prefer automated roulette for the simple reason that it is much cheaper. For the higher price of the chips at manual roulette I got to lose much more per visit with less entertainment and playtime for the same amount of allocated casino money.

Yes. I go to the casino with an allocation of the money destined for gambling in the month. And I lose like everyone I know. I use the game as a distraction and only remain hopeful of a second income over time. It isn't so hard to admit.

I do not know any professional player in real life casino. I have seen people earning well once at times but then everyone knows they are well into the well. You see asians that are winning and celebrating but all casino staff and players that see them when they leave the gaming machines often silently after several purchases know that they lose heavy too. Much more than they earn on the lucky day.

In my personal preference I do not want to take that into account the overall gains and losses. I know I have lost over the years. Still there have been good months in which the gain of my game has helped me pay debts.

I see it as a loan on my previous losses. Then I see my new losses as a loan to myself in the future. At a high rate of interest.

I do not ask a magic formula because I know nobody is going to give it to me on these forums, but at least I hope I can receive something entertaining with a reasonable likelihood of positive exit if things go well in terms of luck. Nobody wins when luck does not not accompany him.

The reality of the game on the casino floor is that there are days when you can not win regardless of the method or strategy you take. For all those who say to always win and win all the time chances are they are lying. I do not want to venture to say names but with so many winning players who post in these forums is rare anyone to make a comment on the difference between the number of professional players in real casinos and on Internet forums.

It is really refreshing to see your traditional disclaimer. The game should be first and foremost seen as entertainment. If you bring a win for the night then welcome. If not then the player must not complain because it is assumed that he eventually will be at loss. It is ok to be happy when you win but the night when the player returns from the casino without the invested allowance then he should know that it is only the expected that has happened.

No reason to feel torn.

Anyway those who are still in this game year after year know that it has ups and downs. More downs than ups in real life but still if we keep doing it is because we enjoy it.

I will study the the 22 numbers system further.

Thank you very much for your advice.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on March 15, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
The winning formula :

Get In , Get Up, Get Out.

N.D.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Sputnik on March 15, 2013, 07:49:40 PM
 
The winning formula :

Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit ...
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Razor on March 15, 2013, 07:50:32 PM
Run where? :scared:
When you will return...it s like you never left  :)
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Chrisbis on March 15, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit

Get In , Get Up, Get Out.

Loving this quote...........could and should be the forum mantra .....it says it all.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: zabbot on May 30, 2013, 08:29:11 PM
Nathan, what is the stop loss and win limit?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Sputnik on May 30, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
 
Very nice ... i save this by my favorites :-))
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: zabbot on May 30, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
-25STOP LOSS...but how many units on session?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Turner on May 30, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
ND...I like your posts. I have done for a long time.

The reason your posts are vague is because what you promote is nothing more than self control.

This is the most difficult thing of all to stay true to.

When all you have to keep you in control is yourself, it can be almost impossible to many people.

That's why all top tennis players and golfers and boxers and snooker players have mentors and sports psychologists.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on May 30, 2013, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: Turner on May 30, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
ND...I like your posts. I have done for a long time.

The reason your posts are vague is because what you promote in nothing more than self control.

This is the most difficult thing of all to stay true to.

When all you have to keep you in control is yourself, it can be almost impossible to many people.

that's why all top tennis players and golfers and boxers and snooker players have mentors and sports psychologists.




Turner,

I am inclined to agree with your post.

ND
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: zabbot on June 13, 2013, 02:05:42 PM
Where I can find to buy this book or somewhere free?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on June 13, 2013, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: zabbot on June 13, 2013, 02:05:42 PM
Where I can find to buy this book or somewhere free?

You might find  a cop[y in a US library.

" SO YOU WANNA BE A GAMBLER" Advanced roulette 406 pages blue solid cover.

Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: VLS on June 28, 2013, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 28, 2013, 09:11:33 PM
The magic 22 s  are the rule from now on just as they have been good to me for the past  19 years.
Good on you Nathan. The "tried and true" methods are the keepers.
Almost 2 decades of use for a bet going strong certainly says a lot on itself  :thumbsup: 

(most methods are binned before two months!!)
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Rouletta on June 29, 2013, 08:01:02 PM
ND

Yes thank you, it is one of the best system I have played together with
Action 22 numbers that u have put on the forum. Again thanks for sharing.

Cheers

R
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on July 06, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
Not just the WHEEL that makes the world go`round

Cabaret- Money (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P80A8vy9I#)

ND
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Turner on October 06, 2013, 09:50:15 PM
ND...this is American wheel, yes? due to the wheel positioning of those 2 columns?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 22, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
So Long for now. Until we meet again
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on January 23, 2016, 08:24:04 PM
Considering the current interest  in regard  to column  play  I thought to bring back  this  thread.



For recreational purposes only. Play  at your own risk.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: XXVV on January 23, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Thanks Nathan Detroit.

Wow to see Ralph, Razor, Spike and many others harmoniously in one thread is timely and the contributions from Vic as well. Turner's comment is very apt.

Yes there is a lot of energy in the column research at this time.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: hoper335 on February 06, 2016, 07:54:06 PM
Nice to see threads on columns or dozens.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Matt on February 11, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
Quote from: Rouletta on June 29, 2013, 08:01:02 PM
ND

Yes thank you, it is one of the best system I have played together with
Action 22 numbers that u have put on the forum. Again thanks for sharing.

Cheers

R

Where can I read up on this strategy?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 13, 2016, 09:44:30 PM
Additional information on columns:


http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: mogul397 on February 19, 2016, 12:39:44 AM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 13, 2016, 09:44:30 PM
Additional information on columns:


http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/

Tried some zumma pages and results came out as the same mish mash it usually does.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 19, 2016, 04:17:22 PM
  \What happens right in front of you  counts .That should be obvious to any one  with some experience  at  roulette tables.It is an EC based bet selection




To refer to this method as mishmash is a sign  of Mogul`s lack of  experience.



Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: RouletteGhost on February 19, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Mogul...mogul.....mogul.....
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 19, 2016, 05:41:17 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Mogul is hard of hearing.


Minds  should be treated  like parachutes.................They must be open to function.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 19, 2016, 07:43:52 PM
This is a thread about the  second and third  column  and includes a well discussed positive progression.




Please  take the time and read  this entire thread from the beginning  before commenting.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Blue_Angel on February 19, 2016, 09:02:40 PM
When a lot of posts have been removed by the author of this topic, how do you expect democracy of different opinions and approaches to be alive??

Perhaps it's best, according to the author of this topic, to speak and listen to ONLY what he wants, but this has never helped to evolve in any way, at any time.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 19, 2016, 09:40:02 PM
Then create your own  thread..  But don`t bring a gnawed  bone like dozens into   this seldom discussed subject of columns..




.This  subjects  heading is  2 nd and 3 rd column.



I    have given someone the link to your reply # 45 above. So stop your belly aching
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: RouletteGhost on February 19, 2016, 11:51:21 PM
please see my column method in my blog, thanks

Your method isn't better than mine, why should I bother??
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: RouletteGhost on February 20, 2016, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 12:27:02 AM
Your method isn't better than mine, why should I bother??

ok then don't

Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on February 20, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
It is not WHAT  you bet but HOW you bet..   

..............and knowing WHEN to  leave a session.



ND
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
I've to admit, betselection.cc is the place where great roulette spirits are coming together!;-)
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: leesnose on February 25, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
Hey ND,

Would you recommend any charting of the table beforehand with this strategy or just jump on & get stuck in?

(This may be a stupid question, I am new here).
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on March 14, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: leesnose on February 25, 2016, 02:15:45 PM
Hey ND,

Would you recommend any charting of the table beforehand with this strategy or just jump on & get stuck in?

(This may be a stupid question, I am new here).



Charting  is of no help.Just   consider  the last spin result to be  in either the second and third column.

ND

Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Gizmotron on March 16, 2016, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on March 14, 2016, 12:46:09 PM

Charting  is of no help.Just   consider  the last spin result to be  in either the second and third column.

ND

So, have you ever seen the global effect revealed clearly in charting? To ignore it for any reason tells me that I have failed to communicate anything of value.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: greenguy on March 17, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 16, 2016, 04:12:09 PM
So, have you ever seen the global effect revealed clearly in charting? To ignore it for any reason tells me that I have failed to communicate anything of value.

Everybody fails to communicate anything of value to ND..

The global effect as you call it is sometimes clearly visible to experienced players, especially through charts.

I just don't have the RAS to confidently predict its stability when actually placing real money bets.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: zuffle on June 21, 2016, 12:31:33 AM
Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 20, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
I've to admit, betselection.cc is the place where great roulette spirits are coming together!;-)

And what do you think of that comment now?
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on June 21, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
  If charting makes  your day then go ahead.


Maybe this  might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/




For  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: Gizmotron on June 22, 2016, 01:48:29 AM
Quote from: greenguy on March 17, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
!.)Everybody fails to communicate anything of value to ND..

2.)The global effect as you call it is sometimes clearly visible to experienced players, especially through charts.

3.)I just don't have the RAS to confidently predict its stability when actually placing real money bets.

1. -- That's funny. I've always like ND, and always will. I love the way he plays Nathan Detroit on the forums.

2. -- ... and it clearly does not appear to be happening at times too. But Oh Boy when it goes Nuclear, do I love that.

3. -- I can't predict its stability either. But it only takes a couple of risky bets that graduate upward for just a couple of spins to find out, with the original risked bet being not much bigger than a flat betting method. It's a method of checking to see if you are in a whirlwind of repetitive characteristics. That's when it is time to spank the casino. I'm experienced at taking chances on it. So I'm comfortable with a loss that shows it's not really happening. It only represents a flat bet loss to me to try. I just know to hammer it if it continues.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: mogul397 on June 30, 2016, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 21, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
  If charting makes  your day then go ahead.


Maybe this  might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/




For  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.

Nathan, I think we see what you are saying. But the part that's missing is, if you
put yourself in the middle, playing like you are treading water, then what is the
plan or goal in play. And how do you get there?

These methods will, obviously, drift back and forth like a pendulum while using no
specific thing to push it one way or the other.  But there needs to be some methodology.

Can you add that in?  (And please without another "non answer"?)
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on June 30, 2016, 04:05:37 PM
First of all I decide  BEFORE going to the casino  that I am p;laying  the second  and  third columns  for that particular casino visit.My plan is to win 2  out of 3 sessions.

At the casino I  am  deploying a well disciplined MM  method consisting  of four parts.





Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: mogul397 on July 02, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
Well that makes perfect sense.  I decide what I am (or am not) going to do when
I go and DO IT!!!

Like last week when I thought I'd give the 1,3,9 grassroots thing a try. And lost
at the 3rd group of 3.  $120 at a $5 table ($130 minute the 2 wins), and got it out
of my system.  Just turned the grinder and let it run.

But I think that the cautious approach is what helps. Like your 3 loss rule.
That loss was the first actual play "run" that I've made in possibly a decade.
But my plan is in place when I walk in.

But your answer still doesn't delineate much of what you smugly seem
to portray as a leg up through your picture of Sanatra and guarded descriptions
which create mystery.
Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: NathanDetroit on July 13, 2016, 07:36:42 PM
HAPPY WINNINGS  to All.


Know your exit strategies . 


Time for me to move on.Where ever I go it  shall always be " My Way".



Nathan  Detroit aka WASHOO2 aka Tamino

Title: Re: Second and Third Column
Post by: mogul397 on July 24, 2016, 03:48:51 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 21, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
  If charting makes  your day then go ahead.


Maybe this  might be more to someones liking http://betselection.cc/dozencolumn-7/bet-selections-for-columns-made-very-simple/




For  recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.

There are two sides of how to look at this.

I totally agree with ND on this matter.

On the other side, "charting" gives you some mental sense of
what you just did an how to proceed.  In discussions with Izak
(Let's talk about winning) and others sometimes someone will
suggest, "just play the method and guess at the bet selections
and see how it works".

The truth becomes that it will be the same. It's just that, somehow
under the covers, we don't trust our own judgement. That's the
bottom line. And "charting" gives us something to blame.

That certainly doesn't mean that I just guess. Even ND has his
"method" by picking the two dozens.

And while I'm thinking about this on that point, let me re tell my
story from about 20 years ago where I met an online guy named Victor.
He waited for 5-6 1st columb in a row. Then bet the other two (like ND)
for $500 each. Having a stop loss and win target. And the result was the
result.

One of the most ballsy and intuitive ways to play. Made the most sense.
Slight variation of staying out of the mix. Just make ONE $100,000 bet and
forget it.  But I can see shades of what ND does from this. It is NOT an
exact science. Just a methdolody.

Cause stuff IS going to happen. It's just a matter of how bad it will hurt you.

Having said that, I think that "charting" should be used to watch and identify
patterns and trends. I'm working on that now.  The simple clustering of events.
Like doubles. Singles. And streaks.