This book came yesterday and I was looking forward to reading it.
There are a few interesting chapters.
Cycles and Patterns.
Wagering Plans.
Capitalization.
I will read through those three a couple of more times and then do a review.
cheers
Great!
Horus,
I have his progression from another forum was just wondering if it was strictly up as you loose?[smiley]aes/thinking.png[/smiley]
LGH was short on specifics, but he was a fan of hot numbers and gives the following guidelines for roulette:
For single numbers-
- If it hits twice with the last 10, follow once or twice
- If it hits 3 times within 20, follow up to 10 times. If it hits within that 10, continue to follow 10 times until the number cools off.
For splits-
- If it hits 3 times within 10 follow up to 5 times
For streets-
- If it hits 3 times within 8 follow up to 4 times
For Sixlines-
- If it hits 3 times within 5, follow twice
For dozens/columns-
- If they hit 3 in a row follow twice
For EC's-
- If 5 or 6 in a row, follow once
All bets that w are continued on any warmed-up cycle.
He also says that his favorite bet is all 3 EC's at the same time, but doesn't give any more detail.
It would be pretty easy to test all this, I haven't.
Hello Dutchie,
Here is an MM plan from his book called 'rise+fall'.
Thanks for the summary Bayes. :thumbsup:
These rules could maybe work better after a long absence as well.
I am doing some research on gaps/skips at the moment and finding some interesting stuff.
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These are the sixlines...1-6, 7-12, 13-18 etc....
So the 1-6 sixline hit after 11 spins, hits again after 5 spins and then hit on the next spin and so on.
You can get some really long skips on these. What I have noticed is that if you only get around 3 or 4 appearances within about 50 spins, you can then often get the sixline going on a run constantly hitting within 3 spins for a good profit.
For an example, look at the 3 sixline (13-18) in the pic above. It goes missing for gaps of 20, 16, 14. So that's only 3 hits in 50 spins. (The average would be around 8 hits in 50 spins.) Then it goes 2, 2, 1, 2.
cheers
horus,
One of the many things I intend to post on my blog is analyses of this kind of thing. Does the sum of the last X gaps have any bearing on future gaps?
The hot-number guys say bet when Sum(last X gaps) < N
The "maturity of chances" guys say bet when Sum(last X gaps) > N
Doing some research using various values of X and N might turn up something. Or maybe not... :D
One thing common to all bets (streets, splits etc) is that the chance of at least one hit in a cycle is around 65%, so the W/L distribution is very similar to betting on two dozens, except that in the higher odds bets you have the chance of multiple wins in a cycle.
I posted the detailed stats somewhere on one of Vic's threads, can't remember the title of it though.
The problem with doing the above the conventional way is that you can be waiting a long time to see a six-line go missing 4 times in 50 spins.
So I am looking at it from another angle. Here is a programme that I had made a long time ago from a guy called Trylobit who used to post his testing results on the old VLS roulette forum.
I never really thought about trying some kind of RTM idea on this back then.
What you are looking at is a programme for the streets. However it is running three different streams. So there should be an X in boxes 1-11 every 4 spins on average. Box 12 should come out on average once every 6 spins because that can only hit if there is a repeat street or the 12 street appears.
These are the first 26 spins from Dublinbet (table 2) today.
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The 11 street is the weakest only hitting twice in those 26 spins. I will run it on when more numbers come out and see if it goes on a bit of a streak.
The actual bet for this concept would be placing two to three streets. Of course I would wait for the first hit after a long absence or maybe something like the above (2 hits in 25-30 spins) and then bet whatever two to three streets I need to for a further 2-3 spins and hope to catch a win of that street appearing in any of the three streams. If I get a win, bet for another 2-3 spins and so on.
So I ran things on a bit further....
The 11 street finally hit when number 17 hit and then hit again two spins later when the 33 appeared. It never appeared in the next three spins.
Looking to the left and the 1 street. That had only appeared twice in 21 spins and then it hits 5 times in 7 spins which was a good little run. The 12 street has not hit at all just yet in any stream for 35 spins. That one does have a tendency to go AWOL for long periods.
So the question is how do you work out the bets using the three streams.
I have enclosed the streetchart as an attatchment below.
Going back to the very first picture. The first number out was 6 (street 2) and it went to number 2 (street 1) You can see the figures 1,11,10 next to the 2.
Go to the streetchart and look at street 2 to street 1 and you will see the same 1,11,10. Run through a few numbers from the picture and the streetchart and you will see that things correspond.
Ok, now how to work out a bet. Let's say you wanted street 11 to come from any of the three streams after that first number 6. So number 6 belongs to street 2. Go to the 2 in the streetchart and look for any 11.
2-1=1,11,10. So there is an 11 in here. Bet on street 1.
2-2=2,12,12. No 11 in these three numbers.
2-3=3,1,2. No 11 here.
2-4=4,2,4. No 11 here.
2-5=5,3,6. No 11 here.
2-6=6,4,8. No 11 here.
2-7=7,5,9. No 11 here.
2-8=8,6,7. No 11 here.
2-9=9,7,5. No 11 here.
2-10=10,8,3. No 11 here.
2-11=11,9,1. There is an 11 here. Bet the 11 street.
2-12=12,10,11. There is an 11 here. Bet the 12 street.
So you would bet three streets here. The 1,11 and 12 streets.
Number 2 appears and that belongs to street 1. Street 2 has went to street 1 (1,11,10)
The X in the 11 box indicates a win. So you have had a win on the 11 even though street 1 came. It's just that the 11 came in the second stream.
It really is simple to work out these bets. If you have the streetchart on a small card, you can easily scan through in a few seconds looking for the bets you want to place.
cheers
I just had a quick look at Table 3 today from Spielbank Wiesbaden.
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(This second pic is just an extension of the first one showing the last few spins)
The 7 street did not appear in any of the 3 streams for the first 20 spins.
It then hits 5 times in 11 spins (all within gaps of three spins). The first hit was in stream 1, the second hit in stream 2, the third hit in stream 3, the fourth hit in stream 3 and the fifth hit in stream 1.
So maybe RTM works well with this concept.
Horus,
Thanks very much for info on the "Holloway Betting Methods".He certainly had a plan didn't he.You can pretty well use it, as you see fit.Hope I can use it to improve the bottom line.[smiley]aes/money.png[/smiley]
I have been winning a small fortune the last few nights at my local with an idea similar to what I showed above. There are a few tweaks.... Instead of streets, I am using the splits and instead of 3 streams, I am using 4 streams. Works a charm.
It's a bit messy because I have to write things down quick and work out the bets, but you can see how the 6 split was coming out frequently between the 4 streams. It appeared 8 times within 13 spins.
I continue betting for it as long as the gaps are within 3 spins. I had a similar game earlier where the 7 split pretty much did the same thing. I really like this idea. It works out betting around 3 to 4 splits unless you have two qualifiers which averages around a 6 split bet.
Here is the double sided card for the splits using 4 streams.
This makes things relatively easy in the casino.
You just go across the top and look for the split that has come. Let's say number 13 comes. (That's split 7) Now suppose the next number is 23. (That's split 11) So go across to the 7 and look down to the 11. You should have 3,4,11. That's your splits for the 4 streams. You don't always have 4 splits. Here there are only 3. That's because one of them was a double and there is no point writing down the same number twice otherwise it would confuse things.
I will do an example when the numbers come out from Table 2 today at Wiesbaden.
I have got to be honest, I think this is probably one of the best inside methods that I have come up with (and I have come up with a few, lol)
What I particularly like is the low outlay of 3 to 4 splits. It keeps the damage down in a lean spell and you can go on the attack when one of these splits gets hot appearing regularly somewhere in the 4 streams. I had a situation last night where the 7 split and the 15 split were both appearing at the same time. Either one or the other appeared for 9 consecutive spins. The outlay was roughly 6-7 splits at a time.
So just as a quick example from the card I posted above from my play last night.
The first split out was 13. (either number 25 or 28) It helps if you know quickly which split corresponds to the number which has just come out. It's easy with a bit of practice.
The second split out was 17. (either number 32 or 35)
So you would go across the top of the card to the 13 split which was the first split out and then look down that 13 split to the 17. You should see 4,10,17. So you write this down on your card and keep marking like this.
Now just suppose that I want to bet for the 4 split to come out next in any stream. All I would do is look across to the last split which came out on the top of the card. It was the 17 split. I look down that 17 split for any 4.
1,2,15. no.
2,3,12,17. no.
1,3,4,13. yes. So I bet this split which is the 3 split. (3-6)
3,4,5. yes. I bet this split which is the 4 split. (7-10)
5,6,16. no.
6,7,9. no.
7,8,9,14. no.
8,9,10,11. no.
5,9,10,13. no.
10,11,14,17. no.
7,11,12. no.
6,10,12,13. no.
1,8,13,14. no.
3,6,14,15. no.
4,8,15,16. yes. I bet this split which is the 15 split. (27-30)
2,15,16,17. no.
17,18. no.
1,11,16,18. no.
So there are only 3 splits to bet. 3-6, 7-10, 27-30.
The next split out was 15 (either number 27 or 30) and that was a win.
The 17 split to the 15 split on the card is 4,8,15,16. So the 4 split did come in one of the 4 streams.
So this is a relativey quick and easy way to record the splits of the 4 streams and also work out the bets. It's all done on the one card. You certainly have enough time to do it under live conditions when you understand what you are doing.
Here are the first few numbers out today on Table 2.
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You can see the 4 split is coming out frequently across the 4 streams.
I wait for a second appearance of a split and put a (1) next to it if it appears within 3 spins. Then I keep adding another (1) if it comes within another 3 spins.
The 4 split has went.
hit
hit (1)
miss
hit (2) *I like to bet from here. It's had 3 hits so far.
miss
hit (3)
hit (4)
miss
miss
hit (5)
miss
hit (6)
hit (7)
Waiting for one of the splits to hit 3 times is a good trigger. You only want to try and ride the hottest splits across the streams.
So taking the numbers from above and starting to bet the 4 split from after the third hit on spin 8.
spin 9. bet splits 1, 4, 7, 9. loss. -4.
spin 10. bet splits 1, 4, 7, 9. win. +14.
spin 11. bet splits 4, 6, 8,15. win. +14.
spin 12. bet splits 4, 6, 8,15. loss. -4.
spin 13. bet splits 4, 5, 7, 10. loss. -4.
spin 14. bet splits 4, 11, 12, 18. win. +14.
spin 15. bet splits 4, 15, 18. loss. -3.
spin 16. bet splits 4, 5, 7, 10. win. +14.
spin 17. bet splits 4, 14, 17. win. +15.
So as you can see, you are not always betting 4 splits even though you are using 4 streams.
This is how the 4 split ended up. (another 3 wins)
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spin 9. bet splits 1, 4, 7, 9. loss. -4.
spin 10. bet splits 1, 4, 7, 9. win. +14.
spin 11. bet splits 4, 6, 8, 15. win. +14.
spin 12. bet splits 4, 6, 8, 15. loss. -4.
spin 13. bet splits 4, 5, 7, 10. loss. -4.
spin 14. bet splits 4, 11, 12, 18. win. +14.
spin 15. bet splits 4, 15, 18. loss. -3.
spin 16. bet splits 4, 5, 7, 10. win. +14.
spin 17. bet splits 4, 14, 17. win. +15.
spin 18. bet splits 4,6,8,15. loss -4.
spin 19. bet splits 3,4,5,12. win +14.
spin 20. bet splits 4,8,10,16. win +14.
spin 21. bet splits 2,4,13,14. win +14.
spin 22. bet splits 4,9,11,17. loss -4.
spin 23. bet splits 4,8,10,16. loss -4.
spin 24. bet splits 4,15,18. loss -3.
So that's plus 83 if my maths is correct. Not a bad run at all. What I like about betting 3 or 4 splits is that you can up the ante on a run like this without giving back most of your winnings. Any run like the one above and you can have a nice win and quit.
I don't like to brag or get ahead of myself......but, I really think this is great. [smiley]aes/love.png[/smiley]
Nope - not getting this at all. "Streams"? What are these? Splits? What splits? Nbr 4, for example, can be in 3 different splits. What makes you decide on a particular bet? Are you looking at gaps here? If so what constitutes a bet choice? Sorry Horus, maybe I am being particularly thick here, but none of this is making any sense to me at all.
Hi Horus,
Trying to understand this system. Are you still playing this?
Quote from: horus on April 16, 2015, 12:46:08 PM
Here is the double sided card for the splits using 4 streams.
This makes things relatively easy in the casino.
You just go across the top and look for the split that has come. Let's say number 13 comes. (That's split 7) Now suppose the next number is 23. (That's split 11) So go across to the 7 and look down to the 11. You should have 3,4,11. That's your splits for the 4 streams. You don't always have 4 splits. Here there are only 3. That's because one of them was a double and there is no point writing down the same number twice otherwise it would confuse things.
I will do an example when the numbers come out from Table 2 today at Wiesbaden.
I have got to be honest, I think this is probably one of the best inside methods that I have come up with (and I have come up with a few, lol)
What I particularly like is the low outlay of 3 to 4 splits. It keeps the damage down in a lean spell and you can go on the attack when one of these splits gets hot appearing regularly somewhere in the 4 streams. I had a situation last night where the 7 split and the 15 split were both appearing at the same time. Either one or the other appeared for 9 consecutive spins. The outlay was roughly 6-7 splits at a time.