The members are very lucky to have such a thoughtful analysis. 

Well done!

Perhaps you could post here as well, your response to those two questions.

Thanks, Al.  I appreciate your comments. 

You wrote:

"You have number of choices to play with so-called "systems" but none can make you a winner in long run, unless u remain perpetually lucky."

   
• So what do you reckon is a sound way to play, Al?

   
• What works for you?  (Something more than luck, I hope...LOL!)

Hmmm...    Seems like we might need a separate thread to discuss the pros and cons of Hit'n'run [HAR]

Yes?  No?

It's going to raise its head again and again, of course, because players are either for or against. There seem to be few fence sitters over the issue.

"Once something wins so much that a loss or two hardly dents what you have achieved you basically have a GRAIL."

Hard to argue with that.

But one bet is a certainty -- someone will !! 

I thought you made some very good points in your thoughtful post above.

Good to see such quality being brought to the table.

Yes -- I'm biased, I blush to admit. I'm one of the ones favourably disposed towards HAR (and the bonus of HAR is that it also relieves boredom and tiredness!)

Let me clarify my comment about being risk-averse:  obviously, if there was no risk there would be no gain.  We all know that.

My aversion is to risking money needlessly. I only use what I can afford to lose and, in these days of limited disposable income, that's not very much.

And that comment neatly segues into money management -- a vital key to overall profitability.

But as there's a separate section on that on this forum, still patiently waiting for others' Words of Wisdom, I leave it there.

That all sound most promising. 

No doubt others will be interested in your observations about BV.

Yes, I think Twister will stay with it, judging by his positive comments to me in a private email.

In fact, I even wrote a basic tracker yesterday for us both, thinking I might give it a go as well.

And from someone who is very risk-averse and is very conservative, that's quite an admission!

Goodo. Thanks for the clarification.

Be interesting to see if the BV results hold up as well.  Twister seems to be successful...at the moment! LOL

"But in my records of the last 900 games I have played this is the percentages for each even chance."

Just to clarify:  was this analysis based on real roulette with a real ball and wheel, or RNG software?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on November 06, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
...Pregnant with hope....--Esoito

I would not want to live (much less play Roulette) without Hope.

Despite Eeyore being my cousin (I'm a bit of a donkey, too) I also would not want to live without Hope.

But, sometimes, certain events in Life can cause Hope to become hopeless. That's where Faith steps in. Miracles, of course, can and do happen.

Moving from the general to the specific:  if a betting system is a definite loser then both Hope and Faith can be seriously misplaced!

Quote from: subby on November 06, 2012, 08:35:49 AM
Twister and JohnL told me about this forum and it looks good so far Glad to be on board and hope I can share some stuff with you guys 

Glad to have you aboard -- and Welcome to your cabin.

Enjoy the voyage. Not sure of our destination but we'll arrive somewhere!

What? You're not a butterfly?

You mean you don't flit from forum to forum, from thread to thread, from page to page,  looking...seeking...searching for the panacea to all your money woes?

The manic flapping and erratic undulations of your travels are matched and mirrored by only the ebbs and flows of your betting bank.

And here you are -- on a nice new, attractive  flower that's sprung up, exuding the heady scent of promise, of fulfilment to all your dreams. <sniff...ah, lovely...>

Otherwise why else would you be here? (It's not to enjoy my sunny disposition, that's for sure!)

Have you sampled  the different flavours on offer at the different forum smorgasbords? Of course you have.

   
• Some made you ill -- you lost heaps.
• Some made you heaps -- and then you lost it 'cos you tinkered with the rules or lacked discipline.
• Some taxed your patience to the extreme so you gave up.
• Others were so complicated that you started to wonder if it was something wrong with you that you couldn't  ' get' it.

Remember the System 9 bot?  Flavour-of-the-month for a while.  And now...? Basically discarded. Another toy tossed out of the toy box.

Remember Ophis' MST software?  After the initial frenzied excitement and susurration of wings he's stopped developing it -- lack of support 'cos the butterflies have long since moved on, d'you see. There is sweeter nectar over there...

(Yes, yes. I know a few still use them. But compared to the initial frantic flapping there are few using them now. Don't split hairs -- you know what I mean.)


Anyway, the horse is long since dead so I won't flog it with any more examples. But you'll probably recall other rising stars that rose and crashed into the Waters of Oblivion, or even the Seas of Discontent.


So here you are...Pregnant with hope...Just look at you all...



And now for an answer.     (Yes, the devil is in the details!)


Pick half a dozen methods that appeal to you for what ever your reasons -- AND. STICK. WITH. THEM.

Play a live wheel -- RNG is NOT roulette.

Set aside an amount of money you can afford to lose. You will at some point. Hey, it's not called gambling because you're betting on certainties! (The only certainty is that there is no certainty -- apart from the 2.whatever%  the casino makes)

Accept that wins and losses tend to come in clusters.

Decide on your stop-loss point. When the bank reaches that point STOP. Go away. Come back another day.


1 Play the first method until you make a profit . Stop.

2 Repeat with each method in turn, stopping each one the minute you make a profit with it.  (Why? Remember the clusters...)

3 After the 6th method  STOP for the day.  Fold your tent and move on. RUN out of the casino -- you've beaten The Edge...for now...

4  Rinse and repeat.  (NO --  Not every day. Get a life in between!! It's just a game.)


Now flap your gaudy wings with agitation, tell me this is ALL wrong, that I've got it ALL wrong, and that it will NEVER work because...


But read carefully.  I wrote it's "AN answer"...not THE answer. Big difference.


I pwomise not to cwy, little butterfly.

I pwomise.

"  G. U. T. may look great to some of the members here but as any other systems, it fails to produce anything in long run."

Maybe...maybe not.

But 2CS  seems to be doing very nicely in the short term.

Perhaps that's the way to use this sort of system?

Top bookmakers in a huge list of countries:  http://www.top100bookmakers.com/countries/


International Trifecta/Tricast/Tierce Betting:  http://www.internationaltrifectabetting.com/

Lots of countries and regions covered:  http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/

Betting on financial markets:  https://www.betonmarkets.com/d/c_Start.cgi?l=GB&skin=PORTAL

Betting in India:  http://www.indiabet.com/betting-information

Betting in New Zealand:  http://www.nzracing.co.nz/Goracing/BettingGuide.aspx

Free bets in Australia:  http://www.freebetsfree.com.au/

Australian sports betting:  http://www.aussportsbetting.com/

A contrarian investor is one who deliberately decides to go against the prevailing wisdom of other investors.

Let's use this thread for exploring bets that go against ' conventional wisdom '.

Brainstorming will be a useful approach. It's a group problem-solving technique in which members spontaneously share ideas.

NB:  When brainstorming there are no "right" and no "wrong" ideas. 



Hopefully this thread will soon contain contrarian approaches proposed by others that can be tested, debated and refined.

Filtering and refining takes place during testing, of course.


ANY NEGATIVE POSTS, RUDE POSTS OR POSTS THAT RIDICULE OTHERS WILL BE DELETED (So if you're tempted to then -- don't...)

AND THE POSTER WILL QUITE LIKELY BE SHOWN THE DOOR. (No room for that sort of person here.)


So come on, folks, let's post our ideas without fear or favour. 


(If we get enough interest I'll make it a sticky, and open up a sister thread for posting test results of contrarian ideas)

Quote from: NoBody on November 03, 2012, 04:35:10 PM


It fascinates me, but annoys me because I am nowhere near a bet/system yet.

Regards,

NoBody ^.^

A Suggestion: 

Take a look at the GUT thread.

But before you watch the video(s) dip into the GUT Resources sticky to gain an overall understanding. (Otherwise you won't understand the videos)

Then watch the video(s)

Maybe there's something there for you...maybe not.  Your decision, of course!