Hello Ralph

Here is something interesting.

Look at session 5 and session 6.

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They both have more or less the same time frame and exact winning amount.

Now I have noticed this phenomenon a lot in your logs as well.

It seems to come in waves.

I don't know if it's just me, but you would not really expect that in a random game.

Is something more spooky going on which we don't know about? 

Maybe not of course and it could be just some kind of temporary 'bias' going on.

It's interesting all the same.

cheers.

This will be an explanation of how I would play system9 a little bit differently from the tracker/bot. It is a less volatile way to play.

I will upload the Master Chart here which contains everything you need for tracking and betting.

Master Chart.

1-1=1,12.
1-2=1,2.
1-3=2,3,4.
1-4=3,4,6.
1-5=4,5,8.
1-6=5,6,10.
1-7=6,7,11.
1-8=7,8,9.
1-9=7,8,9.
1-10=5,9,10.
1-11=3,10,11.
1-12=1,11,12.

2-1=1,10,11.
2-2=2,12.
2-3=1,2,3.
2-4=2,4.
2-5=3,5,6.
2-6=4,6,8.
2-7=5,7,9.
2-8=6,7,8.
2-9=5,7,9.
2-10=3,8,10.
2-11=1,9,11.
2-12=10,11,12.

3-1=1,8,10.
3-2=2,10,11.
3-3=3,12,12.
3-4=1,2,4.
3-5=2,4,5.
3-6=3,6.
3-7=4,7.
3-8=5,8.
3-9=3,6,9.
3-10=1,7,10.
3-11=8,11.
3-12=9,12.

4-1=1,6,9.
4-2=2,8,10.
4-3=3,10,11.
4-4=4,12.
4-5=1,2,5.
4-6=2,4,6.
4-7=3,5,7.
4-8=3,4,8.
4-9=1,5,9.
4-10=6,10,11.
4-11=7,9,11.
4-12=7,8,12.

5-1=1,4,8.
5-2=2,6,9.
5-3=3,8,10.
5-4=4,10,11.
5-5=5,12.
5-6=1,2,6.
5-7=2,3,7.
5-8=1,3,8.
5-9=4,9,11.
5-10=5,9,10.
5-11=6,7,11.
5-12=5,7,12.

6-1=1,2,7.
6-2=2,4,8.
6-3=3,6,9.
6-4=4,8,10.
6-5=5,10,11.
6-6=6,12.
6-7=1,7.
6-8=2,8,11.
6-9=3,9.
6-10=4,7,10.
6-11=5,11.
6-12=3,6,12.

7-1=1,6.
7-2=2,3,7.
7-3=3,5,8.
7-4=4,7,9.
7-5=5,9,10.
7-6=6,11.
7-7=7,12.
7-8=1,8,10.
7-9=2,8,9.
7-10=3,6,10.
7-11=4,11.
7-12=2,5,12.

8-1=1,3,5.
8-2=2,5,6.
8-3=3,7.
8-4=4,8,9.
8-5=5,9,11.
8-6=1,6,10.
8-7=2,7,11.
8-8=8,12.
8-9=1,9,10.
8-10=2,8,10.
8-11=3,6,11.
8-12=4,12.

9-1=1,4,5.
9-2=2,5,7.
9-3=3,6,9.
9-4=4,7,11.
9-5=1,5,8.
9-6=3,6,9.
9-7=4,7,10.
9-8=2,8,11.
9-9=9,12.
9-10=1,10.
9-11=2,8,11.
9-12=3,6,12.

10-1=1,3,7.
10-2=2,4,9.
10-3=3,5,11.
10-4=1,4,6.
10-5=3,5,7.
10-6=5,6,8.
10-7=6,7,9.
10-8=4,8,10.
10-9=2,9,11.
10-10=10,12.
10-11=1,10,11.
10-12=2,8,12.

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5.
11-5=5,6.
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.

12-1=1,11.
12-2=1,2.
12-3=3.
12-4=4,5.
12-5=5,7.
12-6=6,9.
12-7=7,10.
12-8=8.
12-9=6,9.
12-10=4,10.
12-11=2,11.
12-12=12.

Here is a screenshot of the session I will be running through.

The Solidus was a book written by Dave Towey away back in the 90's.

It was a bit of a revolutionary way of thinking and many good trainers of the day learned how to place their horses to better effect after studying the concepts in this book.

It was never widely available and finding a copy now would be like finding hens teeth.

It was however serialized in late 2003 in the monthly magazine Smartsig. (Smartsig was like the shrewdies bible for a period of a few years where some of the best AP players contributed their knowledge)

I will reproduce it here and maybe some of you will gain some knowledge from it and even come up with your own ideas after studying it.

I will add I know of several people who won national tipping competitions using the criteria in the Solidus for finding selections.

cheers.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i81ydog6ug3ypiq/The%20Solidus.CV01.pdf?m

I would like to start a thread on this particular MM plan with the idea of just experimenting and to see if it can be improved upon. This one fascinates me and I think it's possible that it could be manipulated to great effect.

Here is just one idea that I found on another forum. (see pdf attatched)

Just getting a few opinions would be great as well. 

We all know that you will get twice as many singles as repeats and so forth....

So my question is the following.

Let's say you are playing a martingale. {1 2 4 8} Are you subject to the same negative expectancy on every bet?

This is a lengthy thread which some of you may find interesting.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-rigged-rogue-software.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21054688

Last time I buy my burgers from Tesco's!

I have had the trots all day. 

Joseph Jagger (AP)

Pelayos (AP)

Norman Leigh (non-AP)

Billy Walters (AP)

Ken Uston (AP)

Patrick o'neil Dunne (non-AP)

What do all these guys have in common?

They all played as part of a team and all claimed to win at their chosen game!

Do we underestimate the difficulty of winning by playing alone?

I am not talking about the recreational player here. More about someone who is playing with an idea to supplement his/her income. You may say that can't be done. The people above claimed to do it. Two of them are non-AP as well!

Has anybody here played as part of a team! How did it go?

What would be the advantages and disadvantages?

It is basically the following......


Go up one step after each loss and down one step after a win and start over after back-to-back wins or 2-out-of-3 wins.

He wrote a book in 1995 titled 'Beat the casino'. This is one of the many ideas he shared.

cheers

p.s. It would be nice if somebody had a copy of that book. 

A new member called Squeezebox wrote a very insightful post on the following thread.

http://betselection.cc/newcomers-lounge/read-this-the-best-advice-you'll-ever-get-!!/msg5699/#new

Here is a quote...

''I know that there are bucket-loads of mathematicians out there who state categorically that mathematically-based systems cannot defeat the wheel - but, again, I am not one of them.  Maybe my view is based on the romantic notion that "there is more under the sky that has not been discovered ... yada yada etc." but I am convinced that it can be done.  Further, I believe that it HAS been done'' - sqzbox

So I am running this poll to see what the general concensus is like.

What interested me recently was a number of posters on several forums claiming that they had accounts closed from some of the Live Dealer internet casinos. (They were still allowed to play the RNG version!)

All views are welcome as long as they remain on topic.

cheers 

NB: The word Consistent for this poll means: You can overcome the 2.70% or 5.40% disadvantage.

Quote from: sqzbox on December 30, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
I write my own programs to test theories and concepts before playing.  Guess what!  I still don't play!

Fascinating! What concepts should we avoid in your opinion to save ourself some time?

welcome to the forum! 

Less is more!

This especially applies to my sports bets (cricket, tennis and football)

I read in a book that a loss should hurt you and that it is the best way to learn from your mistakes. So I decided to employ super patience this year and just wait for the time that I considered all the factors were in favour of my selection and then really have a go!

Andy Murray was my hero this year! 

I was just looking at the actuals Vic posted on his 'Double Trio Evolution' thread and I wanted to share this with you guys because I see it a lot!

Back in a mo.....

This is getting a bit of airplay on another site.

Has anyone figured this stuff out yet? 

http://web.archive.org/web/20021209001742/www.sq-ro-let.com/contents.html


chapter 3 Sam! 

It appeared that I had could not play some of the different types of mutually exclusive bets to generate a number.

This now appears as though it was some kind of glitch because I have had no problems since that particular game.

Please ignore the 'alert' warning!

cheers.

Albalaha was talking about Ion Saliu on another thread and it got me thinking about shills who deliberately put out false/misleading information on the internet to muddy the waters.

They come in all different guises and I can't ever remember reading a thread on the subject. I suppose we have to be careful what we say but there is nothing to stop us posting our general thoughts without naming names.


Regarding Ion. He is certainly an interesting character! 

One thing I notice is that he is attacked from a lot of different quarters within the gambling community. Now this could be a good thing meaning he is on the right track and people who think they might have something to lose will bash him.

I was watching a short video the other day of one guy in a vegas casino showing how to play all the games. No doubt this guys books are in all the casino book stores as well.

Now one of the questions you have to ask yourself is would the casinos let Stanford Wong shoot a video in their casino explaining the subtleties of shuffle tracking? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

It would be like me letting the guy who broke into my house give demonstrations in my living room to wannabe crooks how he did it! 

So what should newbies be looking out for and what are the tell tale signs that give the game away?

It's well into the 21st down under and they are still all there! 

This is a very interesting thread regarding Ladbrokes and Bet365 trying to discourage the arbers. It is proving profitable to follow.

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29510953/365-and-laddies-stoop-to-new-caped-crusader-low?pg=1

Why is the number 10 on a single zero roulette wheel different to all the other numbers?

The first person with the correct answer wins a prize!

First of all, I would like to point out that all you guys who create bots and can programme have my utmost respect. I can only imagine it as a labour of love.

I would like to see what the general thoughts are from members and how useful (ie. profitable) they are.

I have got to be honest and say upfront that my views may be a bit biased. I am an old fashioned type of guy which means pen and paper. I don't use programmes or run simulations over thousands of spins. I like to study the game spin by spin. I personally feel that this has given me a great level of understanding and insight into the game of roulette.

I sometimes think that people who are maybe new at the game and jump straight into bots and programmes are jumping from A to G and are therefore missing out on B, C, D, E and F.

Another of my concerns would be playing online as opposed to playing at live B+M casinos.
Now there are many people even on here who are suggesting a lot of online casinos may be rigged in favour of the house. Obviously a bot or programme would be of no use to someone long term if this were the case. In fact you could argue that you would lose your money even faster if any of these accusations were true.  But the main problem then would be that the player would be like a fish out of water at a live B+M casino if he lived in a country where he could not use any device which runs these programmes. (I don't subscribe to these allegations but I have to say that I have not played a lot online. I am really a pretty infrequent online player and I jump around online casinos a lot. So even though I don't agree with it, it does not mean that it is not true to some degree.)

Those would be my concerns regarding bots and programmes. (+ online casinos)

Now for the positives.....

I am pretty certain from what I have read on the net that there are countries where it is not illegal to actually use a small PDA device to work out your calculations. (I am not talking about 'roulette computers' using physical approaches either.) 

I am talking about maybe a small programme which might help you with something like 'winkel's crossings' or maybe some of FLAT'S work.

This would be great for someone who maybe has a good understanding of the game and is looking to extract as much as information as he can in such a small timeframe. (and not working out what level he is at in the 'super-duper grand martingale with bells on' system)

I think you can see where I am coming from and I hope nobody takes it as a personal insult  who enjoys using or creating bots. It is just my personal views. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

cheers.

   
Here is something interesting I found well doing some research over the last few days.

I will paste in one of my 100 spin cards and then explain the system.


13 2A
11 1B (3C)
13 2A (3C)
31 3A (C) O
3 1C (B) O
18 2C (B) S
9 1C (B) S
4 1A (B) S
26 3B (2) O
26 3B (2) S
23 2B (C) O
3 1C (A) O
23 2B (A) S
34 3A (1C) O
15 2C (1) O
35 3B (1) S
33 3C (1) S
15 2C (1) S
14 2B (1) S
15 2C (1) S
31 3A (1) S
34 3A (1) S
6 1C (B) O
34 3A (B) S
20 2B (1C) O
9 1C (3A) O
23 2B (3A) S
7 1A (3) O
17 2B (3) S
14 2B (3) S
4 1A (3) S
4 1A (3) S
29 3B (C) O
22 2A (C) S
10 1A (C) S
14 2B (C) S
34 3A (C) S
33 3C (1) O
6 1C (2B) O
5 1B (2) O (RUN OF 3) WON
9 1C (2) S
36 3C (2) S
25 3A (2) S
36 3C (2) S
35 3B (2) S
22 2A (1) O
6 1C (3B) O
34 3A (B) O (RUN OF 3) WON
21 2C (B) S
2 1B (3A) O
19 2A (3) O
15 2C (3) S
24 2C (3) S
14 2B (3) S
25 3A (1) O
31 3A (1) S
32 3B (1) S
33 3C (1) S
3 1C (2) O
18 2C (A) O
24 2C (A) S
21 2C (A) S
26 3B (A) S
6 1C (A) S
23 2B (A) S
6 1C (A) S
24 2C (A) S
28 3A (B) O
11 1B (2C) O
24 2C (3A) O (RUN OF 3) WON
8 1B (3A) S
27 3C (A) O
36 3C (A) S
30 3C (A) S
25 3A (2) O
14 2B (1) O
11 1B (C) O (RUN OF 3) WON
28 3A (C) S
21 2C (1B) O
33 3C (1B) S
35 3B (1) O
13 2A (1) S
6 1C (3B) O
25 3A (B) O
4 1A (B) S
35 3B (2) O
32 3B (2) S
26 3B (2) S
11 1B (2) S
7 1A (2) S
15 2C (3) O
8 1B (3) S
29 3B (A) O
20 2B (A) S
27 3C (A) S
6 1C (A) S
10 1A (2B) O
2 1B (2) O
9 1C (2) S
13 2A (3) O

The number is to the left.

Then I assign the dozen/column. Example 13 = 2A. (2nd dozen / column A)

The  ( ) contain the furthest back dozen and/or column.

So looking at the first few numbers from above....

13 2A
11 1B (3C).....BOTH 3 and C are the furthest back.....
13 2A (3C) .....BOTH 3 and C are still the furthest back......
31 3A (C) O......Now just the C is the furthest back........
3 1C (B) O......Now the B is the furthest back.......
18 2C (B) S......The B is still the furthest back......

You may be wondering what the O and S stand for?

If the furthest back stays the same, it is marked S.

If it changes, it is marked O.

The 'Run of Three' System is looking for three O's and then you bet for the S on the next result.

You can see that 4 bets appeared looking through my 100 spin card.

Here was the first one.
33 3C (1) O
6 1C (2B) O
5 1B (2) O (RUN OF 3)
9 1C (2) S


So you can see the three O's and now you would be looking for it to change to S.

This basically means that you want the 2nd dozen to remain missing in this case.
You would therefore bet dozen 1 and dozen 3.

Number 9 appeared (1C) which belongs to dozen 1 and is a winner.

All 4 bets were winners. Most of my cards are clear winners with this idea with very few losses at all.

cheers

It strikes me variance does not have to be the big bad wolf some people claim it to be!

Who are most likely to be the victims?

*progression players would be at the top of my list..... One bad run increasing your bets and it's likely to be 'goodnight Vienna'.

*Mechanical system players..... The player who sticks to playing his system despite the fact it's plainly not performing on the day.

*The underfunded gambler...... This is the guy who thinks he can turn 50 euros into 500 euros with just 100 chips    (we all make mistakes)

All the above can be corrected.

We don't need to bet every spin.

We can have several methods of play which are interchangeable.

We can be properly funded for our sessions and set workable targets.

So variance does not have to be the bogeyman. (That's the house edges job  )

cheers

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I saw this for the first time in my local casino today.

You place your bets and pull back the spring controlling your own game.

The best thing for me about this is that you can get all your bets down every time.

I will try and dig up some more info on it!

cheers

I was reading on one of the baccarat forums how a player was having success betting against the majority of players at a table. (a sure way to make new friends  )

So it got me thinking.....

What if you created 5 random streams before you went into the casino.

I will use RED/BLACK for this example.

R -1 R -1 R -1 R -1 B +1
R -2 B +0 B +0 R -2 R +0
B -1 R -1 R -1 R -3 R -1
R +0 R +0 B -2 R -2 R +0
B -1 B -1 R -1 R -1 B -1
B -2 R +0 B -2 R +0 R +0
B -3 R +1 B -3 R +1 R +1
B -2 B +2 R -4 B +2 R +0
R -1 R B R R
B +0 R B R R
B -1 R B B B
B -2 R B R B
R -3 B R B B
R -4 B B R R
R -3 R B B B
B -4 R R B R
B -3 R B R R
B -4 R B R R
B -3 R B R R
B -2 R R R R
　
B B B R R R R B R B R R B B R R B R B B. (Here are the 20 results)

The analysis stuff.....

Player 1 never gets ahead.

Player 3 starts a losing streak.

Player 4 is on a win streak of 5.

Player 5 goes back and forwards between +0 and -1 or +0 and +1. (The trick here would be to wait for it to go to +1 or -1 and then bet for it to go back to +0.)

Looking at the next bet......

Player 2 who is on a win streak of 3 would be betting RED next.

Player 3 who is on a losing streak of 3 would be betting BLACK next.

Player 4 who is on a winning streak of 5 would be betting RED next.

So my intuition tells me to bet RED. 

It's RED. 

(I am enclosing a neater version of the chart as a screenshot)

I am just wondering if anybody has ever thought of using something like this just to try and gain some sort of insight into what to bet next. It may be a load of hocus pocus but you never know.

cheers 

Here will be a place to share some of my thoughts and ideas!