DON'T FOLLOW THE NORM.....BE DIFFERENT!

Tools for the mind are truly unlimited. Research-learn-absorb-discuss-practice.

No matter what you think, you have to think outside of the 'NORM'.

It is not what a computer can do.
It is not what a product or system can do.
It is not what stats or their results prove or show can or cannot be done.

It is solely dependent upon you to go around the walls that project themselves because of the history that allow them to stand without challenge and strange belief by assuming those are correct and can be easily applied. They cannot, never in any way, shape or form, no matter the twists you believe will make them work with uniformity and consistency.

You cannot with the minimal amount of effort succeed by applying a simple trigger when you see the 'point' coming. It will not work. It never has and never will. Why? Because your effort is without true knowledge and experience. And you need both to make it past the countless hurdles that will present themselves. Once you realize that, you've learned more than the average player playing for years and years.

50% means nothing, zero, zip!  Instant time, no advantage. Carryover to wait, also means nothing. Math stats and obvious happening patterns/trends means nothing past the current hand or two or several that just happened. Don't fall in the same rut most all players do, losing 5-7-9 or more hands to win just a few.

With the game you can certainly get a complete shoe of the obvious. Meaning, 1s, 2s and 3s, combinations of chops and every repeating three or four, cuts to the opposite side. But when you see it and don't wager for it, wait a bit, it's too late. Does not continue. Hence sections/turning points.

"The Perfect Expected Results". What so many fail to realize or do not want to realize is, what is actually happening.  Again, WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. Which is, A Section Vs. Redundancy that results in fallacy.  A downfall that will eat your bank roll with fierce hunger.

The truth is success does not come by accident. It comes from consistent hard work in pursuit of a dream. It comes from passion that drives you and it will also come from consistently and diligently employing some key habits that position you for greatness.  This success comes from an innate desire to win. Gambling is by far the hardest and most toughest profession out there!  Do you know why? Because it involves you controlling your emotions. And it involves controlling your thoughts when you're in the zone and you're down financially. Do you have the patience and skill to keep it together mentally when you're losing so much on the table? Can you walk away and come back the next day, just as strong and win twice the amount? See, when you lose your mind, you lose your money! Big-time. Surely there must be a winning attitude and habitat that winners religiously apply right?  Is there?  I've considered this for a long long time. I've studied the great minds of the best gamblers out there, through books and other writings, because I was sick of losing my hard earned money! I was sick of cursing my luck and blaming others for my losses. The difference between you and Patrick Veitch or anyone else that has made millions from gambling is their state of mind. They think and do things differently, they have that winning attitude! Richness comes from the mind, not from the pockets!

Your success will be an extension of real knowledge and experience into the game of baccarat or whatever else you are playing to win.

My closing is this. Forge ahead and paint in vivid colors, not in black-and-white or in numbers.

The biggest wins come from winning.
The largest losses come from Losing.

Simply there are times you can win and times you cannot.

You can win because the cards are forming hands you expect, believe in, witnessed before and more. I just prefer to call that anticipations, with the '4's'.

PREDICTION
FORECAST
EXPECTING
HOPE

You cannot win because the cards are forming hands you do not expect, believe in, never witnessed before and more or you seriously do not think will happen and more.

Extreme focus, no emotion on losing hands and risk only the risk capital buy in which is a percentage of your bank roll. Do not keep buying in and do not keep chasing or engaging in other wild fallacies of just getting even, because most likely you'll drain your bank roll and you then engage yourself in the extremely unfair chance of getting even, never mind making a profit for the session.

Now, once again I push the M.M.M. techniques that I have preached, because they will truly manage your wins and playtime if you absolutely follow them. I have found countless times that there is a huge advantage you afford yourself for wagering according to my M.M.M., with your win money/profit for many reasons.

If you regularly wager a negative press progression (Marty) or you believe flat-betting will lead to recovery and/or profitability, you might as well skip all of this and get into a casino and make your large amounts of money. You will then be accomplishing what has been attempted trillions of times, and simply does not and has never worked more than a session here or there.

But if you really desire to find a decent wagering method that has control built into it, the following has done extremely well for me over the past years.

1-3-2-6 or 1-3-2-4.  Coupled with my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd, application of your separated wins and playing that out.

One final thought. Something else you must realize and use to your advantage. The mind plays tricks, the mind invents things and you believe them as actually happening or happened in the past. Think about it and think hard.

Apply yourself with advantages and be smart.

Thanks for reading.

An insight to what a group of hi-tech monkeys do in their spare time.

They try to figure out why humans call 10 cards 'Monkeys'.  Serious, they do.  Here is a pic of their offices. 

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Second shoe the other night.  Fortune 7s hands 4 and 7. 

Hand 4 players had 0 and bankers had a 6.  Players third card was a 6.  Bankers drew an Ace for the F7 win.

Hand 7 players had a 3 and bankers had 0.  Players drew a 7 reducing them to 0.  Table yelling for another 7.  7 comes out for another F7 win along with a dragon bonus win of 6:1. 

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Shoes will almost always (KEYWORD ALMOST) always equal out. But it is very easy to have swings of + or -10 and + or -20, in favor of one side or the other.  Use it to your advantage when it is happening as well as, right after it subsided.

For some reason it will run quickly up to 10 and reach a high of 20. At rare times it will go beyond 20, but not very often.

As a mean norm it will be right around the + or -10 count. Usually this will occur in the 1/3 to 1/2 area of the shoe, and hands 25 - 50's.

The correction (equaling out) will come either slowly or on occasion quickly. Here is an example of what I am referring to, that happened the other night. The players were ahead and the banker pulled the correction to equal itself out.

1s, 2s, 3s and a single 4. 

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Then it happens.

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27 Players to 17 Bankers at hand 44.

And very often the dominant side that will lessen up, once it does, will usually win with only one or two hands only at a time. While the side that will catch up, usually does so in twos, threes, fours and occasionally fives, more than any other combinations.

In the example given, the banker came back super strong, with 3 Fortune 7's, both of the back the back ties were natural 8s and natural 9s, and there was also one three card players 0 with the banker having a three card 9, for a dragon bonus of 30 to 1.  A complete and super dominant second half by the side that was weak prior.

There are people claiming to be so-called experts on many other forums, that are talking about table games proof of winnings and filling out 1099 and W2Gs, etc. I can't even believe that they would bring this topic up because they've done no research, they have no actual experience and they are preaching with no knowledge whatsoever and obviously no experience whatsoever. Yet they come off as well versed and experienced long term players regarding table game payouts and the reporting rules and regulations.

First of all table game wins do not and never did require a 1099 or W-2 G, never ever, as so many think they do just because slot machine wins do require them.  Table games do not even if you won $100,000.00 in one shoe and want to cash it out.  There is no reporting to the government or the IRS how much you won or lost in table games, unless you did a cash transaction of $10,000 or more.

I might throw in except for poker tournaments, not from regular day-to-day poker table play. And also it only applies to a poker tournament were more than $5,000.00 was won, after the buy in or wagered amount is deducted.

The government has IRS Form #8300, that is filled out by the casino when you buy in with an excess of $10,000.00 within the casinos 24 hour day. It is also fills out and files the same form, if you are cashing out $10,000.00 or greater within the 24 hour casino day.  Does not matter if the cash you receive amounts to winnings or if you are still in the negative.  And this can be in segments, it doesn't have to be at one time during the 24 hour casino day.

Also with the combination of buying in and cashing out. For example, you can buy in for $3,000.00, cash out $4,000.00, and buying once again with $3,100.00 within the 24 hour casino day and you will generate yourself having the form filled out by the casino.

The first time it is filled out they will ask you for your ID and Social Security number and personal information, if they don't already have it.  Every other time it is automatically done without any knowledge whatsoever by the pit personnel, cage personnel and yourself.

There are also casino discretionary limits anywhere starting from $3,000.00-$5,000.00 that also applies. The biggest deciding factor will be if you are a known player, ID & Social Security, etc. on file, with some kind of history at the casino. Otherwise they can and probably will generate one, filing it for less than $10,000.00 within their own discretion. That form is entitled an SAR Form. 

Also on a sidenote as far as casinos asking for ID when cashing out under $10,000.00 and a government form will not be generated, that is entirely at their own discretion as well within their set rules and regulations as to when they will ask for it at the cage when cashing out. Lots of smaller casinos do this after the $1,000.00/$2,000.00 mark especially if they don't recognize the player. 

As far as jackpots at table games, it has to be a 300:1 or greater payout to the wagered amount for any form to be filed with the government.

Those are the facts and I have to give a chuckle at the so called experts on the other forums claiming falsehoods and swearing by them. 

 Interpretation Alters the Reality With the Game Of Baccarat

By: Alrelax/Glen.

Each shoe is a series of events, and with each event we attach a meaning. With each event we decide upon an interpretation and then we believe what we just interpreted and rely on that for the next matching event. It is with these interpretations or attached meanings that we define what will happen and how we will wager. Then we go about collecting evidence to confirm and validate these interpretations and merge them into our gaming plan and strategy.  Which normally causes the highest majority of people to lose much more than they win.

The baccarat shoe is a series of events, and with each event we attach a meaning. With each event we decide upon an interpretation. It is with these interpretations or meanings and definitions we attach to them, that we define when and what to wager with the grand plan to win money. Then when we do win with those, we convince ourselves of the evidence to confirm and validate those interpretations our great minds have finally found and substantiated.

In truth, each event you experience within a shoe of baccarat, might or might not repeat itself nearly the same or more frustrating, exactly the opposite. It is the interpretation of the events that shape your thought process and how you view what you just sat through. In other words, it is not what happened in the shoe that made the difference, it was what you decided about what happened and how it happened, that made all the difference. It was what you decided caused or did not come about, that affected your decision-making process. You just became a victim of your own interpretations, your own narrative, you own realization of the game of baccarat. You became fixed in your experience and continued to feed the events with further interpretations that shaped all your beliefs, which then compelled you to act them out even if it was detrimental to yourself and your bank roll. Because after all, you found all of this, your ego and money are at stake and you cannot be wrong, everyone else is.  Of course, no?  You will not chastise yourself, you will not admit you do not know, you will not realize for many years of playing baccarat that the game will produce exactly what you discovered, did not discover and in no particular order whatsoever.  All that happens is you maintain hope because at times you get it correct and most all people will with greater volume, get it completely wrong.

It is from this realm of interpretation that your reality of the game of baccarat was shaped, ground into your thought process and interpreted by yourself as a beatable, easy game that is just there waiting for suckers that do not know what you have discovered.

It may have appeared that events you have discovered and highlighted within the game of baccarat are either distinct from each other or similar.  That you move your wagers from one to another, separated by some degree of special knowledge you claim fame to. From this point of view, things seem not to be random any longer to you, just leading you to win after win and reinforcing the interpretation you have formed and now believe.  And that my friend is how we get sucked in.  No matter the experience or not, receiving free money and winning will play with your mind at the table.  Some say no, but the reality is, it most certainly will.

Now if you were to take a step back and really look at the game with an open mind and some distance, you will see the totality of the game as it really is and not as a single flowing event. If you step back further, you will see that the game will produce anything and everything in no particular order.  You have a right and ability to harness and experience whatever you do believe with the game of baccarat. That belief can only take place from experience and not from computer technology to figure out what will or will not show up over hundreds of thousands or millions or hands.  This awareness alone is tremendously valuable, yet so few believe it.  They are convinced the game is based on numbers and numbers will govern the game to a balance that they can certainly be figured out.  Sorry, it cannot and will never happen that way.  But pursue what you desire and find out for yourself.

When you make the distinction between the event and the interpretation of the event, you will begin to operate from awareness -- that in each moment and event is an infinite field of possible reactions and responses. You choose. And whatever choice you make will cause and direct all your future experiences, which will be your interpretations of the game you formed.  You will no longer see the game of baccarat as it is presented, you will only see what you have interpreted as the game of baccarat.  And that my friend is the real dangerous part.  That part will cause you to capitalize on some of the game sometimes and when the real opportunity presents itself, you will certainly miss it because that opportunity will certainly not match your interpretation of the game you have formed.

Forget about interpretation.  Interpretation of the game of baccarat will not prove profitable to the player.  It will confuse you and misalign you with your false beliefs.

View the baccarat shoe as one seamless limited event with Sections and Turning Points, that brings into focus of how important all single moments are and not repetitive and/or scheduled, because they are not.  In these moments you have the power to transform your wagering into something that could prove profitable and redundant to a certain point. This moment is there to be capitalized on with your recognition and experience, not your interpretation of a baccarat shoe.  Part of its ceaseless flow, its limitless potential, will occur sporadically during moments offering you an infinite realm of possibilities.

Only in being of the frame of mind that does not rely on interpretation of unknown events, you will allow yourself to recognize certain shoe presentments when it is presenting certain Sections and Turning Points, no longer based on negative interpretations and the past. This is the essence of playing a shoe that can and will produce anything and everything no matter how frequent or rare the event might be.

That is why it is so important to learn to, be in the moment, in order to experience the genius of yourself, who you really are and what a baccarat shoe can and might  present. No doubt there is a bigger picture out there; it is up to you to master the art of the no interpretation and the reality of baccarat.

Make sure all of your information and beliefs come from Proper Foundation.

And as always I'm talking about real casino gambling.  I'm not talking about kitchen table researching or forum drama. I'm talking about the decision making process with real money in a brick and mortar casino.  I'm talking about how you should be making decisions and arriving at your wagers. 

Proper Foundation. Meaning, not from emotional reflections or attempt to discredit and combat chatter on the forums, or junk sources such as systems sellers and YouTube infomercials etc.  And the sad part about picking up your information and believing upon it from those sources, is a very dangerous road. If you happen to get some of your wagers correct you'll have a false foundation that will set in and do a great amount of damage to any possibility you have to be on the correct road and make serious profits.

Onwards, there are three elements that must be adhered to in order to form Proper Foundation.

AUTHENTICITY - RELIABILITY - RELEVANCE

Authenticity.  The content of the information not coming from emotional reflections. Forum-based drama and of course system sellers and infomercials. Most of all, not biased based broadcast by a prejudice source.

Reliability.  Be able to recognize the information into real-time stability and consistency, that is virtually or near free from errors.

Relevance.  The comparison of the information within reliability to the actual game itself as well as your wagering style and results. Relating to timeliness, comparability and the understandability of it.

Most Important.  You must follow simple and strict perseverance, self discipline and in complete reality to remain within the guidelines of the information. THINK!

One way or another, no matter what your volume play is, as well as the dollar value you should seriously consider the following.

Be Super Smart In Your Money Management Method.

You must reinvest your win money back with your bank roll from your independent sessions. If you are not and only building your buy in with great hopes and dreams to clean out the casino and get rich, your time is extremely limited until you go bust.

Once you have a workable solid and real Money Management Method, you have a chance to really venture down the path as a series player and be able to hold winnings.

One of your first tasks is to find a source of income to fuel your initial bank roll. Once you do you should without a second thought subscribe to a Money Management Method that will assist you to protect and grow your bank roll. It does not make your wagering decisions what so many think, that a Money Management Method does. I have written about this in other parts of the forum where you'll find my thoughts and excellent Money Management Methods that work.

Growing Your Bank Roll.

Remember that buy ins are always and have to be a percentage of your bank roll. Buy ins and bank rolls are two separate and two very different items.

You must adhere to buy in amounts off your bank roll, that will allow you to level and plateau yourself to add comfort and security to your play. If you can do that, you just put yourself leaps and bounds ahead of the highest amount of players attempting to win money.

You will be developing skills to allow you to fuel your bankroll, protect your buy in and have the chance to wager with the smallest chance of loss.

You Must Prepare For Adversity.

Winning and profits are not a one-way street, NEVER. If you are finished reading, subscribing to and believing drama driven attempts to discredit by others on forums or the junk sources such as newbie system sellers and YouTube infomercials, all junk, you must understand the following.

Unexpected situations and events will occur in play. They do and they have to and they always will. I personally feel if you are ready and you are researching this, you have already lost previous bank rolls . After all, newbies and inexperienced people playing would never be here if they continued winning and found the holy grail that does not exist.

No experienced player, successful or not, can foresee if adversity  and negativity will occur when sitting down and buying in.  Re-read that a couple of times.

I will say, strategies and the real-time application of those, will have to be developed and believed by each of us, the strategies consist of your Money Management Method, strict adherence to it, optimizing the wins within a session and the ability to not be overcome by the numerous emotional events that will happen. You will be challenged consistently with wins as well as losses while playing. But, this is where a real Money Management Method will 100% protect you.

You Cannot Risk What You Are Not Willing To Lose.

No matter what all those infomercials, system sellers and forum drama experts will swear by, it is not true.  There are no mechanical systems or triggers in play that will guarantee winning. Period.  Once you understand and subscribe to that, you have potential to be a serious player.

Gambling is Gambling. No matter what you want to believe or not. Same as owning a business, at times you will make great profits, other times you will make small profits, other times you will break even and yes, other times you will lose money, no matter how hard and how well you serve your clients/customers. Business owners have a bank roll as well and it is always at risk and they are constantly adding to it or removing from it for their business survival. When their bank roll goes away, they go out of business. Casino gaming is no different.

There is really only one sentence here to factually describe what is 100% true and will never change in casino play. Wager with the money that you are willing to lose.

Note:  There are certainly ways you can give yourself a very large advantage and if you couple a good Money Management Method with extreme emotional control of your winning and losing, you will be able to realize the benefits, advantages and skills that will earn you win money and be able to retain it and use it.

Note:  I have written about and detailed out M.M.M.'s on the board here.  Here is one thread that will give you some insight to a M.M.M. and its intricacies.

     https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11117.0

The left side represents non tangibles and influential factors in your baccarat play.  The right side represents the tangibles you govern or should be governing. 

Everything will mix up in the middle constantly throughout your play.


Beliefs                                                           Buy In (Figuring Drawdown)


Strategy                                                        Win/Loss


Vision                                                            1/3-1/3-1/3 Money Mgt. Method
Illusion                                                          Set Aside
Perceptions
Expectations


Influences                                                      1 + 4 Side Parlay Wagers   


Frame of Mind                                                Time Played


The Middle.  Mixing Up With Every Wager.  The left and right side above mixes up and you should be conscious of it all EVERY HAND. 


Here are the two things you should be asking yourself and ultra concentrating on EVERY WAGER:

1) Direction of thought and attack.

2) Recognition and Identify shoe presentments every couple to few hands. 

Keeping in mind, not what you are wanting the shoe to do but, what the shoe is actually doing. 

Drawdown.  What is it? It is technically the amount of money you lose before you start drawing a profit from your Buy-in.

First.  When does it occur? It can be in the very beginning of your session or can equally be at the ending, when you are on your last few wagers before exhausting your Buy-in. (Remember buy-ins need to always be a slight percentage of your bank-roll)

Second.  IMO it should be calculated and viewed with only the amount in front of you. Not collectively from prior sessions or any kind of running tallies/totals etc.

Third.  Again, IMO the drawdown must not be viewed and compared to previous drawdowns. The presentments are different and there is no reason to compare, it will only give you false senses of confidence or worse, make you scared bettor. You have to remember, drawdowns fluctuate and will always fluctuate, no rhyme no reason to define and learn how drawdowns may appear or not. They are a fact of gambling and you need to accept  that and deal with it.

Fourth.  Emotions, pressure and other feelings will be triggered within yourself that cannot be avoided during drawdowns. The larger the drawdown the greater and more intense those inner feelings will be. So be aware and try to curtail emotions, pressure and negatively. Be ultra conscious of that, stop getting sucked in.

Fifth.  Don't confuse drawdown with stop-loss. Many fail to see the difference, but there really is. Drawdown is an undetermined, unplanned amount of money that will be lost before you realize a profit that is within your horizon of "winning the session and it is time for me to stop", thought and belief.  Just remember, you must be comfortable with some or most of and occasionally, ALL of your buy in being lost and classified as a necessary 'expense'  that goes right along with gambling. 

A little extra.  Just remember, it might not always be smooth sailing, no losses and repetitive winning. Just be ready for the worst with the proper frame of mind, proper buy in and knowledge of employing a proper money management method that actually works in your favor.

You can make it as painless and non-destructive as possible.

* Believe winners do lose
* Be smart
* Be totally conscious without getting sucked in as almost all do
* Stay in reality
* Realize what the game is
* Understand the highest majority of times a drawdown will take place,
       perhaps more than once

And, how and when you win is for the most part up to you. Likewise, how and when you lose, is for the most part, also up to you.

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In the above two examples, I would like to bring out something that has helped me consistently more than hurt me.

I have written about it numerous times.  0-1-2-3 ties. 

Look at grouping up/clumping and producing the same thing, strong or weak.

First shoe, through hand 32.

Facts are facts, when it's there capitalize on it.  Hit it hard within sections that offer an advantage.

It is not the HOLY GRAIL, so please do not assume I am saying that.  It is just one of numerous factors that proves itself to be a players advantage, more so than not. 

Here it is KungFu!  This is the one I text you about.

Last night.  Wow O Wow!  Rock N Roll! 

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After playing for an extensive time, baccarat players have plateaus.  Some recognize this and many do not.  I bring this up because I got into a conversation with several players at a casino the other night.  There was 2 others with considerable experience and  the other 5 with varying experience from a few months to a year or 2.  The longer playing players had conciseness of their 'plateaus' which I define as where a player can get to in the terms of possible wins. 

I wholeheartedly believe that we will all have one sizable win in our playing endeavor/careers and then we idle along a relatively level surface of ups and downs, which could be compared to that of a field with valleys  and ridges.  The valleys and ridges represent wins and losses.  Every once in a while the player is able to stray from the field and find a nice mountain where he is able to challenge his own 'plateau'. 

With clear mind, a good progression, money management and being 100% conscious of the surroundings the player has his chances to conquer and surpass his previous plateau. This is not an every session chance to locate those mountains as the fields are quite lengthy to get through and come about the opportunities.  Think of it more along the lines of exploring.

And I might add, attempting to surpass your plateau in every session will prove devastating, which is what so many attempt to do.

Think about those things.

Dedicated:

Well, 'another member' touched on it in one of his posts--which was, "Absolutely floors me to see someone betting banker nearly every hand until banker streaks and then they bet against it until they bust". 

I have played the game pretty much since the early/mid 80's.  You know, the game has changed, and talking with a old acquaintance last night in the Midwest who is a pit manager originally from Atlantic City with work experience from 1990, he attests to the same thing.

We deduced down, the current trend of continually play for the 'cut' pretty much started around the time the properties were pulling all the big tables and replacing with Macau/Midi or Mini style tables.  Mostly Asians but other non-Asians get sucked in too. 

Before the removal of most big tables, people kind of played together, camaraderie was huge no matter what nationality or gender the people were, same or opposite.  And NOT just wagering for the trend of a streak pattern but as well playing the chop-chop, etc. Now it is noticeably different and IMHO not for the better. 

What I do see, more in the Midwest than elsewhere on a consistent nature is the 'playing for the cut'.  Never changes.  Last night there was a couple shoes in a row at a $25.00 to $3,000.00 Macau/Midi table.  Strong first half and stronger second half--4 solid runs of both bankers and players.  2 runs of 10 and 12 Bankers and 2 runs of 7 and 8 Players.  Followed by solid 2's and 3's of each between the runs.  A strong shoe, no doubt, no arguing. Put a bunch of the old school players at that same shoe and guaranteed the dealer's chip rack would have been minus all the lavender and orange, all of it.

Lots of money flowing into the table, everyone losing.  Like HunchBacShrimp pointed out, every repeating banker or player, the people are wagering for the 'cut'.  And to boot, which I believe from the past years of play, when the shoe is strong--it is strong, no changing it.  When it is weak, it is weak.  (A weak shoe is the time to wager heavily on the cut, again-IMO and opinions of many old school players)  Sorry the game does not change, never did, only the unintelligent jerk bonus wagers were added.  The game is and was always the same.

What I mean by 'strong' is say on the repeating banks, the player shows 8 and the banker returns a 9.  The player returns a 7 and the Banker returns 5 and pulls a 3 or 4.  Every hand the players has a fairly high value hand but gets beat and then the same on the player repeats, etc.   Repeatedly, not once or twice or three times out of 20 but like 16 to 18 times.  That is a classic 'strong' shoe.

The way I learned to play was to go with the shoe.  No matter what it was doing, weak, strong-whatever.  Yes and a capital YES!  The shoe can change the opposite way at anytime.  But it is the same as a traffic cop that is always, like 6 out of 7 days at the same spot on the highway, once you learn it why would you recklessly speed by at the spot???

The game is NOT beatable, no game in the casino is "BEATABLE", they are playable.  That is why they are there.

I just don't fully understand the reasoning behind the players of today.  The concrete belief there could only be 'a certain something' pattern.  Which seems to always involve the pattern in their minds 'cutting' to the other side.  And when the repeats/streaks happen they are floored, mouths drop.  This is what is changed from the before 2000 players and attitudes.

The camaraderie used to be huge and I mean huge.  Players slapping each other's back and convincing each other to 'pump it up' and wager big, etc.  Yes, players lost of course, but more players as a whole won back then, compared to the tables now.  There were miserable shoes, yes---but there was not the amount of players continually wagering for the 'cut' and never capitalizing on runs/streaks as I have observed in the recent years. Back in the 80's and 90's, it would pretty much be a cold day in burning hell if the majority or at least everyone but 1 person if that, was not on a run of 5/6 or greater.  Players used to tone it down or wait if banker or player made 3 maybe 4 and wanted to wager for the cut, not continually wager getting wiped out.  With a huge bankroll and high limits, say $20k table limit a person can come out of playing for the 'cut' by continually wagering double progression bets on the same side and wait for the shoe to make the 'cut'.  But not with limits less than $5k.  $200/$400/$800/1,600/Maybe One More than you can't wager that way any longer.

Oh well.

Watch this, a classic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDu3IysKiM

I am putting this under General Discussion because it is more general than baccarat purpose. 

Serious members such as Asym,  Kung fu, etc., please take the time to read it, especially the second page.  Yes some are my long winded posts, but I do think fact-filled. 

So many casino writers that engage in life or death drama with extreme vengeance and Internet everyday wherewithal! 

As I point out in my post #15 on the second page, casino writers push and push their made up fake beliefs that sound good but are absolute trash.

Link:  https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=6525.0

The biggest wins come when winning.

The largest losses occur when losing.

Simply there are times you can win and times you cannot.

My method allows your win to govern your bets using a method that gives you aggressive and pretty safe wagers while cutting your risk as well as multiplying your additional chances.

You can win because the cards are forming hands you expect, believe in, witnessed before and more.

You cannot win because the cards are forming hands you do not expect, believe in, never witnessed before or you seriously do not think will happen and more.

Extreme focus,no emotion on losing hands and risk only the risk capital buy-in of a percentage of your bank roll are necessary components and cannot be ignored.

Now, I push my Money Management Method that will truly manage your wins and play time if you follow it. I've written about it before.  I'm going to define it a little bit better now. I have found countless times that there is a huge advantage to wagering win money/profits for many reasons.

(If you regularly wager a negative progression (Marty) or you believe flat betting every hand will lead to recovery and probability, you might as well skip all this and get into a casino to make your money.).

But if you really desire to find a decent wagering method, the following has done extremely well for me over the past few years.

It is a Positive Progression/Parlay combination.

1-3-2-6. Or a 1-3-2-5.33 wager. 

Let's take an example using a $900.00 buy in of your risk capital money.  ($1,200.00 for $100.00 starting bets, $2,400.00 for $200.00 starting bets, etc.)  At the very minimum, you will have 6 chances, to engage in 6 rounds wagering at a beginning wager of $75.00.

1st wager $75.00.  You are risking $75.00.  If won, 2nd wager will be $225.00.  If lost, you return to another $75.00 1st wager. 

2nd wager $225.00 with $150.00 of your money at risk. If you win, you have your total risk money of $150.00 returned.  You set that aside.  You also set aside the other $150.00, thus increasing your chances for another round.  You are now totally risk free for hands 3 and 4.  If lost, you lost $150.00 and must return to another round with a beginning wager of $75.00.

3rd wager $150.00 with no risk and $150.00 put sideways.  If you win, you now have $300.00 towards your 4th wager of $450.00 or $400.00 (if employing the 5.33 wager).  You put the $150.00 up that was sideways or $100.00 of it for the 5.33 wager.  If you win, you will have $900.00 profit or $800.00 plus the reserved $50.00, for $850.00 profit.  If you lost, you still have 100% of your risk capital buy in or the little bit extra if you used the 5.33 wager. 

Yes, if you lose 6 straight rounds on the second hand, you would have lost your entire buy in risk capital.  Hard to do, possible but if you stick with the same wagering amount as the bet for all your rounds, tough to lose straight.  You will also gain additional round attempts once you win that 2nd wager, even if losing the 3rd and 4th ones in rounds.

NOTES:

You cannot control what is presented and what persists or does not.

Realistic expectations fall sideways almost all of the time. Thus, losses begin to accrue.

The shoe does and will become notoriously unpredictable the highest majority of the times. I have found a series of 12 to 16 wagers maximum in a decent shoe, that I am winning has proved the best and most profitable.

Single best weapon is positive progressions with adherence to your level and your plateau. If you are not in touch with what your level and plateaus are, you better find out.

Do not blame others or things for losing hands. The outcome as well as the continuance of your wagers are determined by, how-when and the amount of each.

Just be smart with capitalizing on wins and cutting your risk.

Let me make it clear and state it right away. Practical knowledge is superior to theoretical gambling knowledge and is well, practical knowledge is incredibly important to any career whatsoever and to life in general. Whether gambling, or a non-related gambling career, as well as life in general, all three of them cannot and will not excel in theoretical knowledge only. Think about it, think long and hard about it because what you read on almost all of the forums  will say theoretical knowledge is the way to profits.  And it is not.

Is there a bias or not?

Yes there is. But. And a huge but indeed, most all people will win a couple/few hands and then their factual-based decision making playing turns to an egotistic belief of fiction, with anything from superstitions to long term statistical results attempting to be applied to a few shoes. 

Then the frustration, the chase, and the loss comes around once again.  Whatever they were following, they quickly come to realization that they do not have the bankroll to survive the draw down until it comes back around. And that is why almost everybody loses at the baccarat table.

Then most all see turning factual-based or biased available opportunities to greed and hope because your mind immediately turns to:

1)  Making previous losses back;

2)  Losing sight of what is possible and focusing on unrealistic win amounts.

Sad, but absolutely true. 

Most everyone is looking at what to bet in a repeating or scheduled automatic mode. In other words when something happens, then I bet, etc. It will never work out in your favor or on a regular basis, shoe after shoe after shoe, session after session after session, NEVER EVER.  And that right there is what most peoples downfall is. Realize it or not, debate it or not, it is exactly that.

Winning hand after hand, catching the streaks, chops, cuts, doubles, anything repeating in any way.  Very different and distinctive things/events. It is mind altering difficult due to numerous factors that will factor in, but will be different in the majority of the shoes that you play as to how they developed. That is another thing most no one ever understands or will ever ever figure out.

There are simply no absolutes, NONE. And so many players will be completely oblivious to that fact at the table. Maybe off the table they know and they recognize it, but on the live table with real money they do not.

Nobody's approach is true gospel to every session for a positive turnout or the ability to recover losses.  Widely debated on almost every forum  there is and usually the subject of drama, ridicule and humiliation towards an original poster that might have something valuable to say.

Ice is cold to the touch. Always will be, always has been, will never change. Do a ten million dollar study and extensive research. It will not change. But baccarat is not that way and will never be that way and can never ever be the same with any type of system, method or statistical outcome being applied in real life gambling.

You can win and lose. Most likely you will do both while playing baccarat. That is if you are not just sitting down for one, two or three hands. You have to remember that. Be conscious and extremely careful of being sucked in by the table and believing you can continue hot win streaks or you can use Marty progressions or even flat bet yourself back to recovery of lost funds or the continuance of winning. 

Good things to a baccarat player's advantage, seems to happen in small sections.  Take huge advantage of those and realize when those have stopped. 

Unfortunately the casinos where I do play have  the largest majority of players that do all group up together every time something looks good or is starting to happen in the player's favor. And that is the exact reason for their downfall with almost every session. Their hopes and visions are totally off what the shoe is presenting or might present.  Which is the highest majority of the time completely different than what they need to recoup, win and profit by playing the way that they do. And they influence themselves which affects their emotional and psychological state of thinking and that is what accounts for their losses the highest majority of the times.

What so many Baccarat players are completely oblivious to.

The four strongest areas of profitability originate from:

25%  Turning Points

25%  Presentments

25%  Money Management Methods

25%  Your decision to continue or stop after winning

Are you fooled by the game? Only you can answer that honestly. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

It is safe to say that you are vulnerable to certain predicaments again. You cannot change your personality or your need for admiration because the admiration fuels your need for control. And most people feel they have to control every situation that they are in, no matter if it's gambling or not.  And you cannot control what that shoe is going to present and in what order.

Things you can change easily if you really wanted to, are your desires to take drugs or alcohol and even smoking as well as who you surround yourself with. Those things you have constructive control over. But of course you really have to want to change.

As far as gambling goes, the way you act and the things you believe in are controlled by your subconscious and almost always you have little to no control over.  Once you figure it out and realize those reasons your decision making process will greatly improve and your winning sessions will far outnumber your losing sessions by employing those 4 areas that I outlined above.

Thanks, Alrelax

And being Random, certainly  does not mean you cannot win....

First of all, to read randomness, i.e.; looking at the scoreboard and defining what is happening and then applying a scheduled wager because of the trigger that appeared—is complete fallacy with slight potential at times but greater failures by far, with much larger percentages awaiting. 

Any person can interpret a score board of baccarat anyway he desires.  Twisting and turning it to suit his thoughts.  But to wager according to scheduled redundancy will bankrupt your bankroll in time, every time, some sooner and some later depending on the size of the bankroll and the length of sessions.

The game of baccarat is truly random produced presentments.  That is a given and a proven fact.  If it was not, the baccarat tables would not be in the casinos.  Period.  No discussion needed. 

To qualify a scheduled wager and wait for a trigger is too varied and far too unclear and to indecisive, in order to solidify any type of results that might or might not come about. 

The object to make money at the tables is to exploit what is happening (being presented) and not necessarily on what happened, did not happen or what might be curtailed from happening.  IMO, those are the exact points where most all people will lose or be side tracked and confused. 

As far as a scheduled wager that is thought of as a 'trigger' by a person—if it was anywhere over a factual and proven 50% successful result rate, he would be a multi-millionaire or multi-billionaire and definitely would not be seeking drama and humiliation from posting on gambling boards for his desire to 'help' others.  Period.  A simple fact and no need to discuss whatsoever!

There can not be triggers that will always repeat themselves.  Period, at least that I have ever discovered after 4 decades of play.  This is due to the outrageously large amount of ways that winning and losing hands can come about with so many different cards to form the point values as well as the reduction effects to form the 4, 5 or 6 card hand. 

The following are 2 examples:

(The cards for a ZERO point valued hand)

9+2+9=0
8+2+10=0
8+2+Face=0
7+3+10=0
7+3+Face=0
6+4+10=0
6+4+Face=0
5+5+10=0
5+5+Face=0
10+10+10=0
10+10+Face=0
10+Face+Face=0
Face+Face+Face=0
10+Face+10=0
Face+Face+10=0
8+3+9=0
7+4+9=0
6+5+9=0
10+A+9=0
Face+A+9=0
A+A+8=0
8+8+4=0
7+7+6=0
6+6+8=0
4+10+6=0
4+Face+6=0
3+3+4=0
2+2+6=0
4+A+5=0
2+A+7=0
4+2+4=0
2+10+8=0
2+Face+8=0
8+4+8=0
8+5+7=0
8+7+5=0
8+6+6=0
2+3+5=0
7+5+8=0
7+6+7=0

There are 40 ways I just posted to produce a zero point valued hand, which would be dependent upon the opposite side's hand point value with its 2nd and possible 3rd card drawn. 

(The cards for a SIX point valued hand)

10+6=6
10+6+10=6
10+6+Face=6
5+A+10=6
5+A+Face=6
3+3=6
3+3+10=6
3+3+Face=6
3+2+A=6
4+2=6
4+2+10=6
4+2+Face=6
Face+6=6
A+A+4=6
9+1+6=6
8+3+5=6
7+4+5=6
8+8=6
9+7=6
8+8+10=6
8+8+Face=6
9+7+10=6
9+7+Face=6
9+6+A=6
9+5+2=6
9+4+3=6
8+7+A=6
8+5+3=6
8+2+6=6
5+6+5=6
4+A+A=6
3+A+2=6
2+2+2=6
2+A+3=6
7+5+4=6
9+2+5=6
9+3+4=6

There are 37 ways I just posted to produce a SIX point valued hand, which would be dependent upon the opposite side's hand point value with its 2nd and possible 3rd card drawn.

I guess the reason I posted those above two examples are to squash the claims when a 'so and so' card comes out for the players 3rd card or the players side wins with a 'such and such' point value hand statistics prove it will cut to the bankers side next, etc., etc.  I say that because there are just an astonishingly high number of cards that can produce any point valuation, winning either side with a 1 over Zero to a Natural 9 over a Natural 8, etc. 

People claim that statistics can be applied to actual wagering at the tables.  I don't see how, with any real success rate on a consistent basis that is at all possible.  Enough said, it is such a misapplied bunch of fiction people claim, it is past comical!

And probably the NUMBER ONE REASON unpredictability and randomness will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS truly prevail, is there are just as many reasons something happens as there is that it didn't  happen when the cards are being dealt in the hand being wagered on.

Think about it.

And to myself and select others, the trick and advantage is turning a slight potential into a winning profit within several sections of a shoe or shoes.

Understand the following comes into play for the forming of what actually will happen and be the result of your wagering at the tables:

VISION.  Your dreams, you're thinking outside the casino, your thoughts and everything else relating to the game financial related;

EXPECTATION & REALITY.  What you interpret and believe through your study, research, online forums, talking with other players, your actual experiences and knowledge all merged together (As well, I wrote a previous article on the subject);

APPLICATION & REALIZATION.  The continuance of 'Expectation & Reality' into the application phase will govern your thought process and your mindset at the time of play. Be honest with yourself and realize it, the hurt inflicted upon your wagering as well as the good.

Here is one way to visualize more about what I am saying.  Stretch out your right arm, all the way out into the side of your body.  Now stretch out your left arm, all the way out also and to the left of your body. Your right arm contains your 'Vision' your 'Expectation' and your 'Application'. Your left arm contains the 'Realities' and the 'Realizations' that will set in automatically when you play baccarat.

Now move your arms towards each other and interface your fingers together. Grab the other hand tightly and squeeze together, keep squeezing. Do that for 15 seconds or so. That is the merge of the factors together. Each time you do that you will have a slightly different grasp-length-style-firmness-comfort level-motion and feeling, etc. Same as when you play baccarat. You control it but you really do not in many ways.

Remember that, change the way you think and be totally conscious at the table. 

Good Morning!  The following is a detailed event that came to light at the baccarat room the other night.

GETTING REAL

It stood out, basic skills, a bit of reserved advanced skills, math trying to be applied skills and a huge dose of viewing random presentments thinking and believing that they were all structured hands that could be entered and exited at certain times with nice profitable wagering.  Shake it all up with individual life skills, egos, bankrolls and most of all, that desperation to walk away a winner, is exactly the way I viewed the table of players. 

WHAT REAL ACTUALLY IS

Real-Life events that will overtake any structured thought of presentments that are 'due' to come out or appear at anytime whatsoever.  And the highest majority of all players, like in the 99% range plus, will swear up and down that they will adhere to before getting to the casino.  However, at the table it is almost always the total opposite.

WHY SO MANY?

I really do want to understand why so many of the people I witness, being ripped-from their buy ins, repeatedly return and return and return.  I do talk to most of them as I have played a long time with the highest majority of them.  Answers range from, I never win, to I win some times but I almost always give it back, to I always try for larger wins after winning something and my greed makes me think disastrous. 

Very seldom do I ever hear about their Money Management Methods and how they hold a percentage of what they win or how they only lose a buy in as risk capital from a previous portion of a win, that allows them to strictly play on the casino's money as their working capital.  But all I ever hear is what they have available to them through their set aside money taking from their jobs or other money sources. 

You know what I realized after serious thoughts about most everyone there playing?  Here is what I came up with.  They heighten their moments, putting aside the bad and surrounding themselves with the good, speculate into the desires of erasing all of their mistakes and losses, leaving them with an unattainable amount of money to come their way in the shoes they sit down to play. 

But I still wondered, why do they continue to play after so many many attempts and the massive destruction to their financial situation they caused themselves?  And the answer I came up with was,  because the highest majority of people, despite what seems realistic, prefer their results to be along the lines of what they actually know and are accustomed to, not necessarily what the reality is or will be. 

WHAT AND WHY IN THE FUTURE

It is not going to change for the 99% plus players because they will never realize what reality actually is.  All they will ever admit to or confess is, I can't believe that happened or I should have done such and such. 

The absolute fear of surprise is what gets most.  Surprise?  Yes, surprise.  IMO and experience, despite what people may say or agree to, really do prefer events that they know.  Why?  Because they really don't know it, haven't thought of it, are not accustomed to it and fear most of all*, the loss of their money in anyway they have not experienced-which is their own little grove that the highest percentage of the times, leads to their losses with their justification of those through the placement of blame*. 

(Blame.  Place blame on it they continually remember; With following anything such as chop-2s-3s-repeating and so on, listening to others, being told what to wager on, and the listening to others or reading about structured wagering on certain presentments, etc. etc.).

That is what came to me the other night in the baccarat room. 

The most important thing is a totally open mind without ego.

Lack of experience is made up with a good dose of intensity and curiosity. But do not allow feelings to come into play.  They will hurt you, I promise.

There is no easy way out. Always remember that and always use that as a basis for thought when you are confused at the table wagering.

Do not rely on the obvious unless you check it, recheck it and check it countless times in fact. You will see how all those "wrongs", and those "wow how did that happen" and those "why didn't I bet for that' will repetitively appear.  You didn't bet for those because you had so many feelings that clouded your mind and your vision.  Simple, but your so egotistical you just can't see it.

The most important thing you have to learn is to know what you don't know. You have to realize you can better your knowledge, your mind of game, and set aside that overpowering ego, those hampering  desires and the growing wishes.

Even if you see someone doing something that you label as "wrong" you might really learn something about yourself that proves unique and quite profitable by finding out what they are doing. It just might be the "right" way after all and correct a whole bunch of your "wrongs".  At least a part of their logic and play mixed with yours, will allow you to discount and get rid of a portion of your "wrongs".  But remember, feelings are always there when you start looking at your own play.

Without suffering you will have no idea what joy and bliss actually are at the gaming table or elsewhere.

Engage In No Obstacles

Ego becomes an influence. When influenced at Baccarat most all players begin making the wrong decisions, which will become a huge liability to themselves.

Unfortunately without them realizing just that, they begin to lose. They compound their poor decisions with making additional poor decisions through the added pressure and stress, attempting to recover the lost wagers. This is the point most players get to rather quickly in the game.

Here are the five pro and cons about obstacles which I have defined over the years and it always works out through one form or another to be spot on with the below chart or darn close.

THE 2 SIDES TO JUST ABOUT EVERYONES PLAYING NO MATTER YOUR EXPERIENCE AND SKILL LEVEL.  SAY NOT ME AND YOU JUST HAVE NOT PLAYED ENOUGH YET.

PRO                                                    CON

1)  Clear Frame of Mind                    1)  Blurred Frame of Mind

2)  Intuitive                                         2)  Dicey

3)  Common Sense                            3)  Wishful Thinking

4)  Readability (Aware & Using)          4)  Desperately Wagering 

5)  Capitalizing on Good Sections      5)  Scared to Wager

Easier said than accomplished at the table. Seems like there are two sides, one the atmosphere/action and two, rationalization and reality of what I listed above. There is a way to use other people playing at the table for camaraderie and another way to be aloof and concentrate by yourself.

Reality is the presentments of the shoe without any influences whatsoever. Not the shuffle, not to cut or the burn or anything else. Not a whole host of other things so many people believe influences the presentments and how the cards will be presented.  Oh and reality is going to prove an unknown amount of chops, streaks, ones and twos, doubles, triples and any and all other combinations of various trends without any rhyme or reason. Reality will also produce a completely different outcome for the following shoe or possibly extremely close to the same, no telling. Reality will also produce an extremely predictable section of presentments or perhaps a totally unpredictable section of events. That is a good example of reality at plays as well.

If you do not believe what I am saying here go to the casino with a set of mechanical scheduled triggers of any type and wager on that. Wagering on just those  while ignoring the entire surrounding of everything and anything. Wager and see what happens. Does not matter how many wagers your schedule is, whether it's three or six or nine or 18 or every hand. Play that and keep playing that. See how long and how much you profit week after week after week.

Please do it and honestly report on the results.