Quote from: Garfield on May 23, 2016, 02:47:40 PM
LoL. I guess I've been on both sides of the story.

So, you used to be another 21Aces?

Quote from: Jerry on May 23, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
. Whichever method you adopt, the main purpose is to take the guessing out of the game. 

There is no way you are going to do that.

Millions have tried.  More than millions, countless numbers let's say.

Anything and everything can happen.  Chops and then a 19 streak Banker followed by a 19 streak player and right back to chop.  No chop, runs, doubles, triples, etc. 

If you are seriously going to play only for a one unit win and parlay until you get it, you can achieve that fairly easy. 

But there will be times your bankroll better be huge, cause say you lose 5 times in a row starting with $100.00. That is $3,100.00 out there from your pocket.

It happens and happens frequently. 

If you are starting small say $25 to $100 and only seeking a one unit win, I hope it is a hobby. 

Myself, takes time to get to a casino, gas and misc.  But whatever. 

In case you ever wondered why the face cards are slang named 'Monkeys', it is because back in Europe the royalty playing the game of baccarat would rightfully call for a 'Monarch Card' which of course the same as today possessed Kings and Queens on them, etc.

When the Asians started playing this game (long after the Europeans invented it) their attempted pronunciation of the word 'Monarch' came out as 'Monkey'.  The only sketchy part of the history is, if it  actually happened in Europe or Asia.

Regardless, that is how the face cards and eventually the 10 Pip cards became named in slang as "MONKEY".

And, as Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story"!

You are without a doubt, a special player----no doubt  whatsoever!  I really would like to see you play.  I observed a player a few days ago that for some reason had me remember your postings here!!!!  Seriously 100%, somehow and for some reason this player actually triggered me to remember and snicker about some of your postings here.

The guy won a few when obviously wagering against everyone else on a current trend and pattern.  Of course, the other players wagering together and verbally stating the reasons why, this guy waited and eye contact with the entire table.  Dealer is just started to wave his hand across the table to signify, no more bets.  The guy throws up a few black chips on the opposite side.  He loses.  Same thing next hand, and it was probably 5 or 6 repeating wins thus far.  Loses again with double his wager.  Same thing next hand, loses once again.  Same thing next hand, loses once again.  He reach table max on his fourth bet I believe it was.  He wants to wager more and asks the player next to him to allow him to wager on their opposite side he wanted.  The player said no and waved their hand in his face.  Told him to go home.  Most of the other people had close to table max or at least half of it anyways.

The guy wagers max on the opposite side once again.  He slams the cards down with an absolute condescending attitude with a winning hand.  Everyone else loses of course.  He is so proud of himself.  He won less than he lost.  Everyone else won and lost only their last wager on that run. 

Then a few of the Asians start talking, he was Chinese the rest of them were Viet and Laos, he could not understand, as was obvious from what they were saying about him.  Then they wait for him to place his bet.  Everyone wagers the opposite side.  Everyone wins.  He looks puzzled.  Someone says, "Hey, it's your turn to lose so we can do it also".   

#2 Dedication to Mr. 21Aces.  I am pretty sure he is listening to this on the way to the casino to squeeze the cards and put his magical touch on them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl1mQASHc48

http://gaming.unlv.edu/reports/strip_game_mix.pdf

Read page 7.  Done, you have 2 monkeys, Jimske and I returned a 9. Sorry, Next argument.  BTW, 300 something baccarat tables made the casinos more than 1,300 plus blackjack tables on the damn strip alone. 

21Aces, look at the numbers of baccarat, it is greater than blackjack and lots of properties have only a couple or a few bac tables and many properties have none. Be real man, grow up.

The figures are accurate, it has to be reported by state law, the days of what happened in the movie Casino are over, BTW.

21Aces you are not one of those players that attempt to squeeze two 3 line cards into beating a natural 8, returned to the other side are you??? Tell the truth.

Not worth the argument you are bringing, but walk around the casinos and observe the ones on the strip and less than the majority off the strip with baccarat tables, very few in comparison to the low limit and high limit blackjack tables.  Players dump (lose) more in baccarat per floor space than ever when compared to blackjack.  When UNLV does their stats they fail to tell you how many properties don't even have baccarat.  LOL.

Quote from: 21 Aces on May 22, 2016, 07:30:13 PM
.  And I am very surprised that given you mentioned you are married to an Asian that you are so down on them as players. 

And by the way, she has some of the most dumbest and insanely stupid friends I have ever met!  A few were highly successful (because they never got caught and probably never would have) until they bought a ton of fast expensive cars, huge houses and all kinds of material goodies including repeatedly buying in and cashing out, in excess of $10k  (generating hundreds and hundreds of CTR's and STR's from casinos) all with the illegal profits of drugs and financial crimes.  Yes they were all Asians. Of course, they have no real job or even tax returns.

And, I have nothing against Asians, plenty in my family. Thank you.

Of course there are times and key triggers, of course! But as a consistent whole all the time, it will not pan out.....

There are absolute sections, say horizontal wise on the card, maybe 4 or 5 sections will hold true to a pattern or trend.  The problem I bring forward is so many, looking at something on hands 0-20 and wagering on it continuing the same on hands 60-80.

GR8,

I am safe to say most Asians and most of the 'other' people of whatever country or color origin, intrepret trending and pattern following entirely different than your quoted, 'diminishing  probability'. They will follow what it has displayed because they believe it will be the same way once again, such as the player always losing a subsequent hand for say 6 times when the Banker had a natural. They will generally intrepret that as meaning, 'it' will continue the same. That's why people that follow numbers get zapped the majority of the times.

I understand what you meant.  It does not matter.  You might very well catch a few, however, there will be an equal or greater amount that you will not be able to follow.

The winning decision(s) after the tie is 100% random and not based upon the previous hands prior that won or lost after tie, i.e.: sticking or cutting to the opposite side.

You might have 14 ties in a shoe.  The first 7 it continues to stick with whatever was prior.  Then you want to wager on the 8th one sticking also.  Then on that one it cuts to the opposite side.  Or you wagered the cut.  Then it stuck on the same side for another 7 times. 

There is no more advantage to making the decision what to wager on because of the tie versus, say after a single or series of bankers or players winning, etc.

The same exact way that maybe every player had lost when the previous banker won with say a 7 total count.  Then when you wager on the Banker because of that fact, the banker loses every hand thereafter when the banker won with a previous hand of 7.

Quote from: 21 Aces on May 21, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
I'll spell this out because I swear I could put a billboard in Times Square and it would not make a difference - same attention from a few players in the house I have mentioned it to as well.

A shoe starts.

1st Tie ->  Next Hand Continues Same Side as Before (Bank/ Player)

2nd Tie ->  Next Hand Continues Same Side as Before (Bank/ Player)

3rd Tie ->  Next Hand Continues Same Side as Before (Bank/ Player)

4th Tie ->  Next Hand Chops Opposite Side as Before (Bank/ Player)

5th Tie ->  Next Hand Continues Same Side as Before (Bank/ Player)

6th Tie ->  Next Hand Continues Same Side as Before (Bank/ Player)


So.... in the shoe to the current hand there have been 6 Ties - 5 have continued with the same side as before (Bank/ Player) and one has chopped in the next hand to opposite.  More hands play out and another Tie comes up.  Of course, you can look at everything else as well, but on this shoe it's a 5-1 continue vs. chop track record.  If it looks at all decent, I weigh this heavily and bet continue same side.

One can do this for Naturals on each side as well as high payout bets on each side.  Those that play mean reversion will look to have these streaks revert to balance at some point and those that tend to ride streaks will most likely play with the trend.

Might hold true and at other times, it would do the complete opposite.  In the long run it would even out or cost you money.  You might have 40 shoes that follow the way you think and another 40 that will do the complete opposite and another 20 that will do 50% follow/cut out of the next 100.  Then you might have 100 that follows exactly, then you will have 100 that don't. The same with winning or losing numbers. 

Here you go, this is you, 100%, dedicated to you!  Especially the section at 3:55........................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDLZqe735k

Quote from: 21 Aces on May 21, 2016, 06:05:38 PM


FWIW winning players, including myself, do a lot of these all of the time.

I just had to quote this before it gets erased !  Sorry, it is a very special and unique quote.