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[alrelax]

Please be careful with gambling you'all.

Here is an example of what it can very well bring onto you!

I have it under real good authority that this individual is attempting to solicit members and this board and myself, in no way endorses his teaching or knowledge in any way whatsoever!

I have recently allowed him to post with neutrality and using his tenure here in a level headed and reasonable offer.

Unfortunately I have information that has been double verified and checked as to his unscrupulous and senseless offers.  I will not allow it on our board.  Any question, please message me, thanks, Glen.

https://betselection.cc/gizmotron/a-very-special-apology-to-alrelax/msg64589/#new

[esoito]

And another one hits the dust !!

It all boils down to the Twins that I so often refer to:  Caveat Emptor and Caveat Lector  [let the buyer beware...let the reader beware]

[TheMagician]

Please be careful with gambling you'all.
atsoever!

I have recently allowed him to post with neutrality and using his tenure here in a level headed and reasonable offer.

Unfortunately I have information that has been double verified and checked as to his unscrupulous and senseless offers.  I will not allow it on our board.  Any question, please message me, thanks, Glen.

You give a person with a self-confessed schizophrenia (and in my view serious and clearly visible signs of mano-depressive, bipolar mental issues), enough leeway and opportunities to take apart what you have built, that is what you get.

It is like putting your hand into a hungry tigers mouth, wondering why he doesn't stop, having bitten it off, going for the rest of you...

[alrelax]

You give a person with a self-confessed schizophrenia (and in my view serious and clearly visible signs of mano-depressive, bipolar mental issues), enough leeway and opportunities to take apart what you have built, that is what you get.

It is like putting your hand into a hungry tigers mouth, wondering why he doesn't stop, having bitten it off, going for the rest of you...

You are correct, wished I could have said, "See I told you Mark was okay"!  But I cannot.  And, I am naming him.  We had our couple of in's and out's, sure.  I wholeheartedly apologized to him and he played me, played me 100% because of the type of person I really am.

He will not be back, period.  I 100% banned him.  He is on another board and he is self-confessing everything I just said and numerous other things, how he so perfectly played me, us, everyone, etc.  He says how he manipulated and used me and this board.  But then he turns around and says how honest he is and how loyal and how great of a gambler he is.  Including excuses for the numerous thousands of dollars he took and failed to return to another member here. 

My point in saying all that is not revenge or feelings!  It is that we are all people, with brains, guts, motives and plans we each carry out or not. 

You know it is the same as my business I am currently in.  I hire people, fire them.  Some great employees have personal problems and it also effects their work.  Many times I have compromised and listened, understood what they were going through, adjusted and bent rules and regulations within my small company to keep them.  Most times, it worked out and benefited my company, myself and the person.  Other times it has not.  But the good ones have to suffer at times if we are to salvage or rectify the situations involving others that are sometimes within our own ball court.  At least IMO. 

I go back with Vic here, and I blew up at him in the past.  As well as, at Esoito and AD.  But you know what, my apologies were truthful, brutally given and I think, pretty much upheld.  I can only say, most of us treat others as we want to be treated or at least we put ourselves into the picture as the other person, and maybe that explains why we do what we each do??

[alrelax]

And over at another message board you literally have the handful of people that were also here, attempting to run and control our board when I was taking over.  With their repetitiveness, one-liners, redundant nothings, continual senseless challenges that were strictly 100% drama orientated to square off with others, not really much at all to even do with gambling and theory anyways. 

There is not even new people, all they did was go from here to over there with 4 out of the 6 of them banned here, another threatening not to come back here and now Mark making it probably 5 banned here out of the 6 over there controlling and attempting to drive their board, etc, etc. 

I really sat down the other night and went on as a guest and read.  LOL,same thing, just different board names with less censorship.  But they do back down when the censorship comes over there because they are running out of places to really go.  And IMO and estimation, 90% or greater is not even about gambling or anything related to casinos.   
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Here, 3 weeks ago I wrote something that fits right in here!  IMO:

"Merging and discussing reality gets attacked because it clearly, plainly and simply attacks the Fantasy World of those that created their opinions, schedules and beliefs by whatever cult methods they happen to believe in.

It is a form of belief, but the way they formed it is different then the reality and what actually happens at the casino tables.  "I can't comment on it",  "I don't know", or  "It is possible".  Whatever happened to those?

Not just in discussion on the message boards, but in general because I say the internet and the social media thing and everything along with that, and of course those are not viable answers any longer.

The exact same as when I walked through the door and my kid says,  "Daddy I love you", hugs me and continues saying, "The babysitter is a liar".  Cut it off before it is brought out, pretty smart if you ask me. But the truth is, people attempt to cut or mitigate reality to fit the person's agenda.  It's the same on the message board, that's all I got to say."

[TheMagician]

It seems to me, Glen, that the ex-members you refer to has in a way contributed with nothing more than mere arrogant intransigence, instead of what they should have had;  shared experiences and excitingly groundbreaking views, there to foster comradeship against a common enemy - the House.

[alrelax]

I have finally received 2 detailed message (PM's/Emails) from members here that have paid and taken Gizmo's course/teachings/school, etc.

While I am not here to bash or demean or humiliate anyone, I am here to educate, inform, advise to the best of my knowledge anything and everything on this message board.

I am and have always been here to discuss and expand my knowledge as well as those desiring to engage in the same type of discussion on a positive or at least a neutral basis rather than the negative, engaging for drama or otherwise type of behavior such as the 3 or 4 that banded together in their attempt to rule, run, control and dominate the board here.

Getting back to Mark/Gizmo.  I gave a bit of lee-way to Mark, apologized, attempted to genuinely make up with the guy and move forward with our vehicle here.  Mark has outright lied to me and others, deceived plenty, and at his will--beck and call, turn the tables to favor himself and his position(s) presented.  I have the proof, not only of a deceitful, ugly and fraudulent business dealing that was consummated and engaged upon because of this board, but 2 members of this board concerning his teaching/mentoring, etc. 

At best his mentoring is almost a system that could be attained just about anyway on the internet for less than $100.00 at best.  Mark, blows it all up, praises himself, his losses, his trails and errors and everything else to make himself great, fantastic, the best, etc.  It is all salesmanship on the best day.  Both members spent their money on the promise they would get the knowledge and the insight to what Mark promises,  But Mark is savvy, Mark is slick, Mark is seasoned, etc.  Mark knows what he is preaching and doing and always has a way out by claiming the members just cannot learn or absorb or spends his winnings on greed and fallacy mixed in by the student, etc., etc. 

My questions are, why does Mark and others like him, refuse to release their contact info, their real names, their locations, their references, their phone numbers, and many other things any type of reputable, real business normally does?  As well, people like Mark band together with the types like Xander, Jimske and SoxFan and uses them for his own boasting and comradeship to influence the newb's and the innocent naive members that might just fall prey with $2,000.00 or $3,000.00 in the hopes to become that professional, great, rich gambler Mark says he can create of most anyone. 

But, Mark and the other handful of people will band together and show outright disrespect, chastising, humiliation and attempted control of the website they really have nothing managerial to do with, not pay to belong, refuse to donate, refuse to advertise, refuse to release anything personnel about themselves and stand ready to squash, demean and step on anyone actually making perfect, real, verifiable statements that people can learn from, research, expand their knowledge base and become generally informed for free.

Just a few thoughts I wanted to get out there after talking with several of the BetSelection long time members yesterday by phone. 

Thanks, Glen.

[AsymBacGuy]

Besides playing and playing,  the best way to get additional money is to mentor high stakes players and not asking miseries from common people. Otherwise the inventor should share ideas for free. Or write a book. Or simply shut up.
Another option involving celebrity would be to give a lecture at MIT, but more likely than not the listeners would laugh at him/her.

Therefore system sellers are 100% scammers by definition.

Giz provided interesting concepts here but the idea that randomness involving perfect independent events might be controlled is totally unacceptable.

To win at games we need to find spots where probability values change. And to do that we absolutely need finite dependent events, that is games of cards.

Roulette can only be beaten by defects of production (biased wheels or biased software).

as.   

[alrelax]

Besides playing and playing,  the best way to get additional money is to mentor high stakes players and not asking miseries from common people. Otherwise the inventor should share ideas for free. Or write a book. Or simply shut up.  (Hard to argue.  Problem is, what is worth an actual cash payment or not?  In today's day of "Scaminternet" so much everyday in the email, fake everything on Google, by Proxy take overs and everything in between, things get diluted pretty darn quick!  I have seen people mentoring in person, playing alongside other good/experienced players.  Some of them are paying them a percentage of the wins and some are not.  Some pay for their time, etc., etc.  But that is all in person.  Over the internet, I don't have a clue.  Of course, my own opinion in almost all cases is, that type of stuff will not make you any more money than you can honestly do on your own.  Who will guide you and stop you when you actually need it???  That is the bottom line.) 


Another option involving celebrity would be to give a lecture at MIT, but more likely than not the listeners would laugh at him/her.  (If you are absolutely so talented, it should be documented and you can certainly go on tour, just like a real job. Takes lots of time, hard work, promo items, advertising, etc., etc., nothing is for free, everyone understands that.  But the concept of, "You pay me $XYZ over the internet, super secret, I don't divulge my name, where I live or anything else, and I teach you the real secret to beating the casino", LOL.  Join the website with the real scammers all bonded together called, BeattheCasino.  A bunch of real self admitted pros that beat the casino and make lots and lots of cash, LOL, did I say LOL??)

Therefore system sellers are 100% scammers by definition. (Pretty much, I would like to lower that to 99.5%, I do think there are some real experienced great players that made their money or gave up trying and can be a real good guide to someone.  But IMO, has to be in person and right there, and the deal has to be, when and if I win, we split.  Other than that with the super secret internet and hide the identity and face pictures and all that, of course it is a scam)

Giz provided interesting concepts here but the idea that randomness involving perfect independent events might be controlled is totally unacceptable. (I have gambled B&M for many years.  Many many.  There is no way any type of pre scheduled wagering can be perfect, no possible way.  As far as events and identifying them, no way as well.  If you cut way down and control yourself for countless hours, you help yourself avoid loss but you also take away many of the chances for the quick win also.  So, damned if you do and damned if you don't.  I wrote about this kind of stuff, thinking and emotional conflict a lot.)

To win at games we need to find spots where probability values change. And to do that we absolutely need finite dependent events, that is games of cards. (Yes correct.  Absolutely. But always a possibility of loss as well.  You need risk capital, risk outlay, positive and quick progression, parlays and side wagering as well as the experience to know when to cash out or continue.) 

Roulette can only be beaten by defects of production (biased wheels or biased software). (I am not touching that one.  But I do constantly see the level and other instruments being placed upon the wheel, etc., when the game is being played)

as.

[Albalaha]

I have finally received 2 detailed message (PM's/Emails) from members here that have paid and taken Gizmo's course/teachings/school, etc.

Even I visited his school, saw his software but could find no evidence of his method being better than playing anything else. Anyways, I still do not blame him. He genuinely feels that he can identify emerging patterns and can even exploit them, which I feel, is a misnomer.
Patterns could be seen but any prediction on its continuance or end right there will equally work. Therefore, it still remains as much random.
         Even I mentored some high stakers in the past and some wannabies too. The main problem with a non professional/non experienced player is that, he remains unrealistic and can't manage proper bankroll usually. He wants to earn very fast as well. Gambling is not meant for kids. It is purely adult stuff and only meant for people with extra cash, patience and time.

[The Crow]

Just wondering, how many roulette schools are there?
What are the criteria for a school to be successful?
Who's the most successful?