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Online Poker Collusion
« on: December 26, 2021, 03:40:24 pm »
Prominent German pro Fedor Holz has called out two well-known high-staked Brazilian pros for colluding during the final table of a recent high-stakes tourney on 888poker. The two Brazilians, Rodrigo “seijistar1” Seiji and Rodrigo “serouan1991” Serouan, were among the final five players in an event on 888’s global online site.

Holz posted on his “@crownupguy” Twitter account, early on Christmas Day, “A pretty obvious collusion spot including Seijistar on a big 1K FT vs his friend Selouan. They are part of a Brazilian HS group that work together called ‘9Tales’. Cheating sucks. I think every HS reg that doesn’t cheat.

Holz replied to his own post, further clarifying the alleged cheat. “In case It isn’t clear, AJ folds. They probably weren’t aware it’s live-streamed with cards up.”

Holz said the two Brazilians are good friends, and he accused Seij of making the way-against-the-odds fold to allow Serouan to take the pot and stay in the event. That Holz’s accusation also mentions that several Brazilians are involved in a high-stakes cheating team, known as “9Tales”, adds urgency to the situation.

888 responds within hours, promises investigation

888 quickly responded to Holz’s claims on Twitter, noting that an investigation will begin immediately. 888 promised a review not only of the hand in question, but of other action between the two Rodrigos.

Any type of collusion is in clear violation of our user agreement.
We are reviewing this hand and others played between these two players. We are contacting the players to better understand their POV. We will be in touch with the players and act upon our investigation results.

Neither Seiji nor Serouan appear to have been suspended as yet by 888Poker. Should the collusion allegations be proven out, Seiji appears to be in the worst situation regarding possible sanctions.

Another of the players at the table “Panxetillo”, was quickly alerted to Holz’s own thread and posted his own thoughts. “Hi I’m Panxetillo,” he wrote. “That hand was very suspicious, I didn’t know they worked together in 9tales, so it makes sense now. Thanks for expose this case, we have to kick out people who cheat and collusion for the sake of poker. I hope @888poker investigate this and take action. Cheers!”

Such collusion remains a problem that poker has found difficult to eradicate. A Brazilian poker outlet has reportedly received a quote from Seiji stating that he “misjudged the situation,” believing Serouan had a much stronger hand due to ICM factors. However, that likely won’t satisfactorily explain Seiji’s fold, given hos own strong ace-jack hand and the pot odds he was already receiving to call.
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Re: Online Poker Collusion
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2021, 10:01:22 pm »
I made a post about online casinos some time ago on the link below.........online8or9   reply #3


Maybe worth re-reading it.

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11132.msg69357#msg69357

Here is the post if you can not find it on the link:



The problem with online casinos is that the result of a decision ( player or banker in baccarat, or the spin of a roulette wheel etc ) is not dependent on the hand dealt by a deck of cards or the spin of a roulette wheel, but the result is determined by the RNG and the cards or the roulette ball is displayed according to the result of the RNG ,,,,and the RNG knows in advance how much is bet on player or banker or how much is bet on a roulette number or even chance.

Personally i would have to be crazy to play that type of game.

At least with live land based casinos, you are assured of getting an honest game ( doesn't mean you will win, but at least you didn't get cheated.)  And you don't have to wait 1 or 2 weeks to get your money,,,you can cash out in a few minutes and you don't have to worry about the online casino stealing your money such as this famous case involving online poker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Tilt_Poker

Actually in high stakes poker, you have a very good chance of being cheated in a live casino poker game or a home live game  where 2 or more players are playing as a team and giving signals to each other as far as to what cards they are holding as well as various other means of cheating.

Basically it all means you can't trust any company or any person when money is involved.,,,,,especially lots of money.


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Re: Online Poker Collusion
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2021, 01:34:01 am »
Great post and so true 8OR9.

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