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[wannawin]

This is entertaining. Better than a tv show.

[TwoCatSam]

I'm stayin' out of it.  "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."...Ann Landers

[Turner]

I'm stayin' out of it.  "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."...Ann Landers

Sam...I raise you....



'Tis better to have tried and failed, Than never to have tried at all.....which Tennyson never actually said, but it's a good mantra.



('Tis better to have loved and lost, Than never to have loved at all.- Alfred Lord Tennyson)

[Chrisbis]

I see the editing problem with posts is still with us! 

[Turner]

tiny font cut and paste is starting to grate....I must admit

[TwoCatSam]

I'll see you........

"It is better to live in the corner of a housetop than in a wide house with a brawling woman."  .......Hebrew Bible...Job

[Turner]

Ill try my all time favorite...and that's it.

I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones- Albert Einstein

[TwoCatSam]

No one could top ol' Al!!

[Chrisbis]

Morning All


Doesn't look like there are many takers for this challenge.


Its an excellent way of getting players to learn new (New to them), techniques and playing methods, without it just being sent to one in a PDF.


I for one am very grateful to the originator (GreatGrampa) for his thread.

Right, back to business.


Can we have the spins then now GreatG, and see if I can see what U saw in the starting set up please?


Also..................did u get my PM re-PayPal account.
Cheers

[Chrisbis]

Just wanted to publicly thank GreatGrampa for his very kind prize money of Euro25 


I have just received his payment via my PayPal


Thank you very much Great G for this generous award. 


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[GreatGrampa]

OK. As promised, the spins. Unfortunately, I lost the file that contained the spins for the video. So, I have decided to play "race to 50" again. Following is the spin data with the numbers that came up, the units bet and the bank roll position.


As I have told, the prize money remains at 50 EUR. But one small correction, anyone with the correct guess on the method will get 30EUR prize money and the rest which is 20EUR will go to Vic as a sponsorship to keep the forum going. Hope all in agreement and help get Vic get some sponsorship, while raking some money on their own


[reveal=Spin data here. 50 units from 70 spins]
Spin    Units   Bankroll
11          0          0
12          2          1
28          2          -1
2          4          1
35          2          2
19          2          0
10          4          -4
22          6          -10
33          8          -18
21          10          2
1          2          0
10          4          -4
23          6          -1
16          5          9
13          2          13
33          2          11
9          4          7
5          6          1
19          8          -7
22          10         -17
5          12         7
30          2          5
14          4          7
30          2          5
7          4          1
19          6          4
24          5          14
29          2          12
24          4          14
26          2          12
11          4          8
11          6          2
19          8          -6
2          10         14
10          2          15
18          2          13
33          4          9
18          6          3
30          8          7
11          6          1
34          8          -7
25          10         4
11          2          2
15          4          -2
10          6          1
10          5          11
26          2          9
23          4          5
24          6          -1
27          8          3
33          6          15
25          2          16
13          2          17
6          2          15
29          4          11
22          6          23
13          2          27
33          2          25
14          4          27
14          2          31
2          2          32
23          2          33
4          2          31
25          4          27
29          6          30
26          5          40
23          2          41
17          2          45
23          2          49
35          2          50
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Enjoy the game!

[Chrisbis]

It certainly is a good "Game" lol


I am having great difficulty in reverse engineering the method, esp that with Doz/Col combo play, so this always two options for where to place the bet, esp on a Double loss!


I have however, formulated a couple of Rules that I can see within the Framework structure.

   
• If U Win on Both Doz and Column................I think U stay on the same Bet Selection
• The progression steps never go beyond 6+6=12 (an amount on each Bet Selection)
• On a loss, U don't always move the Bet Selection to a New position(s)
• As U get to, or very near to +40 (within 20% of Target Profit, U switch to playing Dozens only, and U cover Two Dozens

I'm still trying to see the Bet Selection made after each play, and the reason for it.
There are some patterns, and I can see some MM too, tho at one point (in Spin 20) U did confuse me, in that, U had just recovered partially from a drawdown of -17 to a plus of +7, with a Bet Selection on Doz/Col or 6+6=12, but U did not continue on with the progression, even tho U were not at your original New High. Instead U reset to base level of 1+1=2
Curious......!


I'm still figuring out the framework!
The MM I think I have, as I had described before.


I think it's a cyclic Bet Selection, but not sure if U are measuring the Bet Selection against some form of Lw registry, or more likely I think, it is how the results are trending during the session.


I will be back! lol

My charting endeavours!! lol
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[GreatGrampa]

Great chart Chris. Happy hunting One more clue, just forget slow down at 40 at the moment. Even if you don't get it, I will give it to anyone. Just focus on the last set of spin data that I provided(70 spins) and the spin data that I am going to post now (40 spins). That will avoid the confusion. Forget the 53 spin data from video, as there is a complex MM at the end which will confuse things.

Go crack the "race to 50" and race yourselves to a 50!

[reveal=40 spins, +50 units]
Spin           Bet placed     BR
11                            0
1              2              1
8              2              2
11              2              6
6              2              7
31              2              5
23              4              1
22              6              -5
5              8              -13
13              10              7
18              2              8
15              2              12
21              2              16
34              2              14
23              4              16
2              2              17
33              2              15
35              4              17
31              2              18
35              2              19
12              2              17
35              4              25
23              2              26
19              2              27
25              2              28
32              2              29
31              2              30
2              2              28
4              4              30
34              2              31
13              2              32
19              2              36
3              2              34
13              4              42
10              2              43
32              2              41
4              4              49
23              2              47
16              4              49
19              2              53
[/reveal]

[Chrisbis]

My update so far.


I can state, that the method is NOT DBL *(DecisionBeforeLast)
I have charted over half the spins, and the split analysis between the Dozen and the Column, and after carefully examining
can say, that the method DBL, only fits your play results 56% of the time.


(56% as a measure if the results for the two outcomes matching the DBL)


I can also state, that its much more likely to be a form of FTL* (FollowTheLast)


In charting this play method, the two outcomes, (both Dozen and Column matching, whether a Win/Win, Win/Lose, Lose/Win, or Lose/Lose), match 68% of the time, of my half sample, and if I classically double my analysis, and mark a results for each Half decision, that would rise to 78% correct.


But in reality, neither of these get me to get a 100% fit of method to match this play technique of Urs.


It must be a set process at work, in the same genre as the 1 2 3 Framework works for the EC/Dozen/Lines bet U have shown us.


In the 1 2 3 Framework, U take 3 steps per Bet Selection.......Starting at the EC base bet, where the coverage of the wheel/table = 50% (of a NoZero wheel)


Then, on a loss, U move the bet Forward, and target the LAST Dozen to hit, which now focuses in on 33.33% of the wheel/table


Then, after the Dozen has lost 3 times, U focus yet again on the narrower Bet Selection of 1 Line (1 Double Street), which, since it covers 6 numbers of a possible 36 outcomes, reduces the Bet Selection down into 16% coverage of the Felt.


Though U early said, that this Doz/Col Bet was NOT in the same "district" as the 1 2 3 Framework Bet Selection,
I think there is an element of it, inasmuch as the Dozen/Column Cross Fire Bet Selected must have a narrowing facet to it, within the method.


Why U move a Doz/Col bet, I'm not quite sure of..................yet!
Something to do with the trend of the past results I feel...................!

One thing I am thinking in TRUE, is that if U get TWO loses within the same Bet Selected Dozen, then U move the Dozen Bet.
Very interesting stuff Great G .......... 

[Chrisbis]

I had a dream last night................


A Dozen beautiful ladies were standing against 12 Marble Columns, (one on each) and all I had to do was pick one!


Then I woke up in a Zero daze!!



Just a thought!....................maybe not a Static inner wheel, but a revolving one! lol
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