C) Why so few posters when so many members show up each and every day?
This was originally posted as reply at another thread, why end up here?
It's not only the participation issue, readers to posters ratio is incredibly disproportional, but for the old timers like me and Garnaby, is quite obvious this lack of interest in general.
It's strange how suddenly from year 2015 (2nd half) till now a lot of people who were frequenting forums like this have just vanished!
You could notice this pattern not only on this forum, but in general, before 2015 were topics/threads less interesting/important than others which have been posted more recently but those from the yester years received an astonishing amount of views and replies.
In my point of view it doesn't have to do with the quality of content, much better subjects have been publicly released without receiving the participation they deserved.
What I say is objectively true, it has been noticed and mentioned by other popular old timers, on other forums too, such as TurboGenius and MrJ at gamblingforums, Kav at roulette30 and Bayes at rouletteforum.
What caused this sudden loss of interest?
Did all those people suddenly, around year 2015, found what they were looking for years?
Did trolls suddenly emerged on 2015?
It doesn't make sense for me, focus on year 2015 before and after, what changed?
I've to confess that I've spent plenty of time sharing around forums my knowledge and experience and I got responses but to be completely honest I'm bit discouraged and disappointed because I was expecting larger and better participation.
Did I have to share what I did?
Certainly no, I wanted, it was my decision, but when someone is sharing something it doesn't do it in order to read it himself and speak with his self, the original author seeks participation in one way or the other.
Since the topic is not aiming for sales it expresses a genuine intention for mutual interest/benefit, participation is not only about rejecting others ideas but also about feedback and constructive criticism.
There is distinction between what we call trolling and the constructive criticism, the first is bad intentioned while the second provide reasoning, explains why something is not as good as it could be and suggests ways to improve it.
Participation is not only about praising and debating, but also about testing and sharing feedback, this aspect is very valuable because it establishes a consensus which in turn will save time and money for many others.
My idea about the ideal forum includes the following:
1) It's ads free
2) It's fair and objective without being influenced by those who pay money in one way or the other
3) It has consistent participation with emphasis on quality rather than quantity
4) Its sole purpose is the common benefit through the interaction, exchange of ideas, knowledge and experience could be more rewarding than attempting to receive money by sales/subscriptions/ads
5) All members work together as a team, they have the same goal and are striving to help each other in the best way they can, they are honest and loyal to their goals, they are highly motivated and focused without bosses, not because someone else tells them to do so, but because they are their own boss
The only forum I've witnessed which is near to what I've described is at VR tech, it's private and initiated from member "theMagician".
Thomas, like myself, it's highly driven, very well educated and experienced individual, he takes his activity very seriously.
Such person is the ideal partner to work with, I could name a few more around the web but it's not the point, the point is the profile of a forum which attracts equivalent members.
It's so pointless to begin an online presence for using it as advertisement space, when there's really good content then good sponsorships will be attracted, not because it was the original purpose but as a result of the long term determination, effort, discipline, dedication, motivation, professionalism, honesty, altruism.
All these, in my consideration, have to be in place before expecting any reward, but frankly, who's going to do it the way it should be?
Almost all are looking for the easy solution but unfortunately there is not such.
Blue:
#5 spot on. Huge answer imo to it all! But ideal versus realistic versus what will actually happen. 99 percent of all gamblers are so stubborn, hard headed, know it alls, never admit their weaknesses, etc., etc. So that's the way and what you are dealing with here.
Last paragraph you wrote also the same as above.
I will add, you might not agree or care to consider. 1. People do not pour their heart out but rather coincide with that last paragraph you wrote. 2. People mislabel a participating member and numerous others do not want to say anything for fear or the concern sparring will start. 3. People misunderstand here because of lack of English-language comprehension. 4. People cannot or do not explain their trials, tribulations and explain themselves properly. Again that relates to that last paragraph you wrote.
All imo.
Quote from: alrelax on October 29, 2017, 07:39:05 AM
Blue:
#5 spot on. Huge answer imo to it all! But ideal versus realistic versus what will actually happen. 99 percent of all gamblers are so stubborn, hard headed, know it alls, never admit their weaknesses, etc., etc. So that's the way and what you are dealing with here.
Last paragraph you wrote also the same as above.
I will add, you might not agree or care to consider. 1. People do not pour their heart out but rather coincide with that last paragraph you wrote. 2. People mislabel a participating member and numerous others do not want to say anything for fear or the concern sparring will start. 3. People misunderstand here because of lack of English-language comprehension. 4. People cannot or do not explain their trials, tribulations and explain themselves properly. Again that relates to that last paragraph you wrote.
All imo.
Thank you Al, I understand and agree with the explanations you've provided.
I'm glad when I see that there are still some people who realize what I do.
This win was on one trip where I played for 22 hours from a bankroll of S$4,500. I thought long and hard about whether I should post it. And decided to do it to show that Baccarat can allow a transfer of wealth. Will discuss further later. Just to get the interest going
You need S$25,000 to open a rolling program and be entitled to rolling commission of 0.6-1%. The commission is paid in cash only on closure of program. This particular trip I rolled @S$9,000,000. I opened and closed the program about 3 times to cash out the rolling commission.
Very nice -- congratulations!
What one does after that is the defining moment. Truth be told, I have done this a few times winning 800-900k per trip. On a few occasions too, I have lost back same. Thinking back, I must have bipolar disorder to do that.
I am fine tuning a systematic approach to do this on a long term sustainable basis. Take small bankroll and if lose leave. No arrangement for more money. Easier said then done. And when winning, let the winnings roll.
It could provide a basis for repeat wins. The sad story is that the uncle of a lady friend won @US1,000,000 (local currency equivalent) and lost it all back and then committed suicide. Lessons to be learned.
Quote from: Lungyeh on October 29, 2017, 08:55:09 PM
What one does after that is the defining moment. Truth be told, I have done this a few times winning 800-900k per trip. On a few occasions too, I have lost back same. Thinking back, I must have bipolar disorder to do that.
I am fine tuning a systematic approach to do this on a long term sustainable basis. Take small bankroll and if lose leave. No arrangement for more money. Easier said then done. And when winning, let the winnings roll.
It could provide a basis for repeat wins. The sad story is that the uncle of a lady friend won @US1,000,000 (local currency equivalent) and lost it all back and then committed suicide. Lessons to be learned.
The casinos in USA are different in themselves of rolling commissions, etc, I do like the program however I don't have the freedom to maintain my business and be able to go back and forth to Asia to gamble.
I was all set up with a casino Ted recommended in Cambodia. They extended me a great program with extra great rollover, suite, airline ticket. Etc,, after they verified my USA play with 2 casinos.
But I know myself and baccarat play, it us extremely dangerous to the player, but attractive, and the program in Asia will fizzle and the player will lose compared to playing in the USA, there are no consequences to walking from a table while gambling in USA except the general '4 hour' rule of thumb if you are a full comp player, etc,
Quote from: Lungyeh on October 29, 2017, 08:04:36 PM
This win was on one trip where I played for 22 hours from a bankroll of S$4,500. I thought long and hard about whether I should post it. And decided to do it to show that Baccarat can allow a transfer of wealth. Will discuss further later. Just to get the interest going
All well but
22 hours??!
The only reasonable explanation I can imagine is the consumption of steroids, amphetamines...
Quote from: Lungyeh on October 29, 2017, 08:41:53 PMYou need S$25,000 to open a rolling program and be entitled to rolling commission of 0.6-1%. The commission is paid in cash only on closure of program. This particular trip I rolled @S$9,000,000. I opened and closed the program about 3 times to cash out the rolling commission.
Nice idea about such program, I had similar long time ago.
Is this program originated by you or you just pay your "rent"?
Are you UK or US based?
Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 29, 2017, 10:32:03 PM
All well but 22 hours??!
The only reasonable explanation I can imagine is the consumption of steroids, amphetamines...
Nice idea about such program, I had similar long time ago.
Is this program originated by you or you just pay your "rent"?
Are you UK or US based?
The programs for rollover are common in Asia,
Btw. At a collectable with good players. I personally have logged numerous 12 to 20 hour runs,
I personally have logged numerous 12 to 20 hour runs. Alrelax
How could someone spend so much time inside a casino?!
Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 29, 2017, 10:39:10 PM
I personally have logged numerous 12 to 20 hour runs. Alrelax
How could someone spend so much time inside a casino?!
Like I said, at times, with the right players and the right atmosphere. A typical shoe of midi BAC is 2 hours easily, 5 to 8 shoes is not rare,
Quote from: alrelax on October 29, 2017, 11:00:46 PMLike I said, at times, with the right players and the right atmosphere.
The ones who keep it real, especially on line, are the ones who survive, nay, find value of survival.
The interesting baccarat forums where continually beat down by all manner of scams. Who has the on-line time or desire to compete with something like that? And the many, many persons stupid enough to completely buy in to those? Persons like Ellis Clifton Davis, with the help of the likes of our resident ADulay, took their baccarat money, and filled them with stuff, before they ever made it to the casinos.
Now, it just seems as if virtually all the remaining inhabitants of the boards are falling into a strange sort of final mental decay. AP's and System Player's alike. The younger generation, understandably, has little interest in gambling as something of this type of an addiction, let alone as something of a study or pastime.
Quote from: Garnabby on October 30, 2017, 01:32:25 AM
The ones who keep it real, especially on line, are the ones who survive, nay, find value of survival.
The interesting baccarat forums where continually beat down by all manner of scams. Who has the on-line time or desire to compete with something like that? And the many, many persons stupid enough to completely buy in to those? Persons like Ellis Clifton Davis, with the help of the likes of our resident ADulay, took their baccarat money, and filled them with stuff, before they ever made it to the casinos.
Now, it just seems as if virtually all the remaining inhabitants of the boards are falling into a strange sort of final mental decay. AP's and System Player's alike. The younger generation, understandably, has little interest in gambling as something of this type of an addiction, let alone as something of a study or pastime.
Garnabby,
Is Ellis involved with Keith Davis and way2fast at BTC?? Curious.
Quote from: alrelax on October 29, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
The casinos in USA are different in themselves of rolling commissions, etc, I do like the program however I don't have the freedom to maintain my business and be able to go back and forth to Asia to gamble.
I was all set up with a casino Ted recommended in Cambodia. They extended me a great program with extra great rollover, suite, airline ticket. Etc,, after they verified my USA play with 2 casinos.
But I know myself and baccarat play, it us extremely dangerous to the player, but attractive, and the program in Asia will fizzle and the player will lose compared to playing in the USA, there are no consequences to walking from a table while gambling in USA except the general '4 hour' rule of thumb if you are a full comp player, etc,
Alrelax, I will be flying back to SE Asia at the end of November. I plan to see JC just to have a few beers with him. I will play at Naga World a little bit but my favorite place of play is at the Cambodia/ Thailand Border, Holiday Palace, located in Poipet Area.
Good luck to you and all the forum members!!
Quote from: alrelax on October 30, 2017, 02:50:13 AM
Garnabby,
Is Ellis involved with Keith Davis and way2fast at BTC?? Curious.
Hey, alrelax,
Keith Smith(?) and Ellis had a huge falling out, about a year ago. Ellis started another, smaller board. I think that ADulay stayed with Keith. Haven't been to BTC or Ellis' since, though I was rarely there before for any period of time.
I wonder that a lot of the traffic on this site still has to do with people just meeting up here. I see a lot of people from Ellis' old site.
Quote from: Ted009 on October 30, 2017, 04:21:25 AM
Alrelax, I will be flying back to SE Asia at the end of November. I plan to see JC just to have a few beers with him. I will play at Naga World a little bit but my favorite place of play is at the Cambodia/ Thailand Border, Holiday Palace, located in Poipet Area.
Good luck to you and all the forum members!!
I wanted so bad to go previously and you know the reasons I didn't. I still have all the paperwork and all the research and casino notes on the program. The 3 little kids are such a huge part of my life.........my head spins every week about everything we talked about as well as the border casino deal I had in place with the tv show.........
That stack of paperwork is about 15 inches high on the floor plus the entire second compartment of the plastic cabinet!
Quote from: Garnabby on October 30, 2017, 04:37:33 AM
Hey, alrelax,
Keith Smith(?) and Ellis had a huge falling out, about a year ago. Ellis started another, smaller board. I think that ADulay stayed with Keith. Haven't been to BTC or Ellis' since, though I was rarely there before for any period of time.
Once again you appear to have your "facts" skewed just a bit.
I am not associated with either Ellis or Keith since the split.
Thanks.
AD
Quote from: alrelax on October 30, 2017, 05:33:51 AM
I wanted so bad to go previously and you know the reasons I didn't. I still have all the paperwork and all the research and casino notes on the program. The 3 little kids are such a huge part of my life.........my head spins every week about everything we talked about as well as the border casino deal I had in place with the tv show.........
That stack of paperwork is about 15 inches high on the floor plus the entire second compartment of the plastic cabinet!
I don't doubt your hard work. There will be the right timing as I always say, everything happens on God's Time.
Quote from: Garnabby on October 30, 2017, 01:32:25 AM
The ones who keep it real, especially on line, are the ones who survive, nay, find value of survival.
The interesting baccarat forums where continually beat down by all manner of scams. Who has the on-line time or desire to compete with something like that? And the many, many persons stupid enough to completely buy in to those? Persons like Ellis Clifton Davis, with the help of the likes of our resident ADulay, took their baccarat money, and filled them with stuff, before they ever made it to the casinos.
Now, it just seems as if virtually all the remaining inhabitants of the boards are falling into a strange sort of final mental decay. AP's and System Player's alike. The younger generation, understandably, has little interest in gambling as something of this type of an addiction, let alone as something of a study or pastime.
Yes, this has to do with "Why so few posters", 100%!
As far as Adulay, IDK, that is not my concern.
As far as the quality, the age, the content and all that, yes. ALl plays a part. I just detest the likes of members and posters such as Stephen Tabone (IMO) as to how they degenerate and bring a forum down to curtail whatever they can to suit themselves and their sales. That is their only mission, nothing else. I will clump the highest majority of all sellers of all things in to the same.
I made another reference about sellers, sponsors. They are just that, sellers and sponsors. They have to direct all traffic and all thoughts to their product to cure all the ill-will, the wrong doing--etc., or they do not make money, that is their sole reason for existing on a forum. Period. The same as newspaper advertising. The same as commercials on TV/Cale network news. How much influence is allowed to the editorial content of the publication or the program by their sponsors?? But o they allow a sponsor to get up on the main content and challenge everything and everybody and attempt to sell their products, NO!
Same here, what's the difference?
Personally I do not endorse or enjoy the upper 90% of all commercially available baccarat or casino gambling products for sale. I know what the highest amount of most of all of it contains and/or entails. It is all commercial scams, junk, garbage and the real applicable and really proven tips and protocols are in almost any general casino gambling book anyway. All the others are creative or motivated snake oil salespeople of one type or another, IMO. Everyone to a certain aspect. Sure there might be a few extremely talented, knowledgeable, long term casino gamblers that have great info and they will engage in a gentlemen like conversation on a forum, even if they are selling something in another BLOG or 'room' within that same forum. But those are few and far in between, the highest majority are just as I said, snake oil salespeople with complicated or other inventions with a twist that will fail just as much as they might win, and each and every single purveyor of them will have tons of excuses ready, such as--'you played too long', or 'you misunderstood', or 'you are not telling the truth in order to discredit me because you side with so and so over at such and such website or forum', etc., etc., etc., and so on.
READ WHAT BLUE ANGEL WROTE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD! SO SPOT ON....
Great facts, statements and thoughts on posting forum traffic here as well as the other forums.
Don't forget, as anyone can tell, the forum or two with considerable postings, contain a terrific amount of drama as well as those attempting to enlist buyers/subscribers to 'for sale somethings'.
Read!
Also written elsewhere on this forum in 2017 from a member is the following:
" The quality of your posts, even to non-baccarat fans, provides quality and substance to this forum. You should not allow those unspecified middle-of-the-road forum brigands you addressed in your post affect said quality, or will, to further provide this forum with glimpses, insights, and memories of your decades of real life Baccarat experiences at the best tables of Las Vegas or otherwise.
Because if it did, the mediocrity from those suffering from nothing but mere ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder) would win another empty victory, dragging down this forum into the abyss of their own ignorance.
Trust me, there are many readers liking your posts more than you know. Their absence of comment does not necessarily equal unappreciation of what you write but merely revealing a difference in personality as to external vs. internal."
WELL SAID IMO.