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Good luck gents
Drazen
Quote from: Drazen on January 15, 2013, 02:13:04 PM
Good luck gents
Drazen
It is not luck but logic. Luck won't let u cross 10 million spins.
No I meant on luck general, now when you apparently have never losing thing :)
Use it wisely
Drazen
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 02:18:37 PM
It is not luck but logic. Luck won't let u cross 10 million spins.
I do not agree! All possible ways can not be covered. I do not say you can not win(even a lot and many times) but it is not 100% sure. Luck can take you far. Unluck can kill anytime.
Quote from: Ralph on January 15, 2013, 02:27:45 PM
I do not agree! All possible ways can not be covered. I do not say you can not win(even a lot and many times) but it is not 100% sure. Luck can take you far. Unluck can kill anytime.
Leave your prejudices aside. Let us have more data to test. 10 millions strong, can not be wrong and we never said, it can't have any drawdowns.
QuoteI do not agree! All possible ways can not be covered.
If you cover all, you still lose 1 unit in every spin.
Based on the graphs, the system must be using a negative progression. I wonder what would be the high-level logic behind this approach..
Quote from: Lupo on January 15, 2013, 02:52:09 PM
Based on the graphs, the system must be using a negative progression. I wonder what would be the high-level logic behind this approach..
You may try to beat 10 millions spins with any negative progression u may think of or heard of or read of and you be many millions down in loss.
Well, I don't fully agree. After millions of bets, your loss is primarily determined by the negative expectation. I really doubt that would be "millions".
What actually counts is the number of bets placed, not spins. You should reveal that number and we might be able to discuss some probabilities.
Why sell this if its half as good as you claim. You should be using it yourself to make a mint as I will with my methods.
Not showing graphs of something with no clear cut rules. And asking people to part with money for it.
If its good it should stand up on the original format of roulette. THE LIVE WHEEL.
Come out of theoretical world. You can never think of what the bot is doing. Play with any trigger, progression or flat bet, u will come out as a loser in long run. We have got guts to prove this thing is a winner in long term. No method ever written in any forum has the capability to replicate this success.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 15, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Why sell this if its half as good as you claim. You should be using it yourself to make a mint as I will with my methods.
Not showing graphs of something with no clear cut rules. And asking people to part with money for it.
If its good it should stand up on the original format of roulette. THE LIVE WHEEL.
We have tested it on all data that u can imagine. Ophis or me need not sell or hire it but we can give the same opportunity to earn to others. 10% of the sale proceeds or rent of bot will go to this Forum's upkeep.
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 03:36:29 PM
Come out of theoretical world. You can never think of what the bot is doing. Play with any trigger, progression or flat bet, u will come out as a loser in long run. We have got guts to prove this thing is a winner in long term. No method ever written in any forum has the capability to replicate this success.
The problem Albalaha is your going to go over virtually everyones head with this.
If you don't spell out what its about. How much bankroll required to work it for starters? And the ultimate scenario. Actually prove its success. With hard cash, no one can dispute that.
Instead of asking people to buy something they haven't a clue about. that's something im totally against.
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 03:40:06 PM10% of the sale proceeds or rent of bot will go to this Forum's upkeep.
Thank you dear Sumit.
That would be VERY appreciated :nod:
It is our duty to think about the forum that is keeping us all together. If someone can not afford to buy or hire this bot, he need not worry about what and how it works. Its methods are not playable manually and it may not yield anything in small sessions. It is a purely bot stuff. That's it.
Quote from: albalaha on January 15, 2013, 03:48:43 PM
John,
It has been explained that it bets straight ups, based on certain triggers with progression. Bankroll explained already. What else u want?
Okay Lol! PROGRESSION? And you were all over me for using one. Okay enough said.
Quote from: Ophis on January 15, 2013, 04:16:55 PM
This was not posted to make profit out of it.
It was shown show all of you serious players that there is no reason to loose hope because in fact roulette can be beaten in the long run.
All your methods are HAR Voodoo. Which work only for you. Anything that cannot be tested is not true.
it does. chart of 3million spins is from wisebaden.
Yes... old talking. No one will ever publish holy grail... grow up. Not everyone is selfish.
Already said that you can choose what sort of bankroll you have... from 100 up to ...what ever.
But numbers of bets relay on this. that's why 10 000 is recommended.
But i can setup settings on 250 units and run those 3millions if u want... it will pass them... just not much profit.
And for starters i recommend going to work.
U can't take out if you will not put in. And you defiantly won't become Bill Gates with 10euro in your pocket.
No idea what's wrong with 100 euro (10 000units) as a bankroll... i earn more pay day in my day job.
Do you really thing this should be free?
Iv already give reasons why its not free:
1. There is tons of work put into this.
2. People do not appreciate free stuff.
3. This is EPIC.
The questions is more like... should be made public?!
If it will ever be public it will be on % of winnings based anyway.
u Win u pay some % as a tribute to developers.
u don't play u don't pay.
Ophis you are missing the point. Even if you have the HG and gift wrap it and hand it to every gambler on the planet for FREE. Not even 10% of them will use it or at worst STAY WITH IT.
That's what I am saying. Now you want people to buy this off of you. Work that one out.
And again if its half as good as you claim. You will be rich in no time and not need a penny from anyone. That's always the bottom line. The person telling everyone else they have a grail but not using it themselves.
Share the winnings is an old trick, if not scam, are you sharing the loss as well.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 15, 2013, 05:20:28 PM
Ophis you are missing the point. Even if you have the HG and gift wrap it and hand it to every gambler on the planet for FREE. Not even 10% of them will use it or at worst STAY WITH IT.
That's what I am saying. Now you want people to buy this off of you. Work that one out.
I think you got problems with reading mate:
"This was not posted to make profit out of it.
It was shown show all of you serious players that there is no reason to loose hope because in fact roulette can be beaten in the long run."
I got money, don't need much more of them.
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The person telling everyone else they have a grail but not using it themselves.
And again. Read again. Did i write somewhere i don't play with it?..... iv made it for my self!
Quote from: Ralph on January 15, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Share the winnings is an old trick, if not scam, are you sharing the loss as well.
It will be calculated monthly. its not like it will count only wins...
But if someone will put settings on 10 000 drop and will have 1000 units bankroll.. that's not my problem mate.
Quote from: Ophis on January 15, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
I think you got problems with reading mate:
"This was not posted to make profit out of it.
It was shown show all of you serious players that there is no reason to loose hope because in fact roulette can be beaten in the long run."
I got money, don't need much more of them.
And again. Read again. Did i write somewhere i don't play with it?..... iv made it for my self!
It will be calculated monthly. its not like it will count only wins...
But if someone will put settings on 10 000 drop and will have 1000 units bankroll.. that's not my problem mate.
I read perfectly Ophis, I ve known roulette is beatable for years that's hardly news. Again if youre rolling in it you don't need a penny from anyone. See if you can even give this away first.
Youll soon find out about human nature. And at least you should give all proceeds to the forum as youre so rich already. :nod:
Not directed at anyone...............
I've always been amazed at how people want things for free. When I ran service calls, they wanted me to drive out in a $50,000 rig for free and tell them how to fix their washer. I told them when the local grocery started giving away food, I would certainly do that.
You can't imagine the names I was called.
I bought Stef and Nick's bot. Not a bit sorry. I've already enjoyed it to the tune of $125.00 if I never make a penny from it.
Ummmmmmm.................how much are golf clubs again?
"The only difference between men and boys are the price of their toys."
Samster
I don't see where the problem is if it is available for hire and you just pay a percentage from any winnings. I wouldn't imagine anybody would be silly enough to jump in and invest their life savings!
This is a gambling site at the end of the day and some of us like to gamble. I would trust Ophis enough to at least give it a shot. What's to stop anyone playing pennies to start with just to get a feel for it. 10,000 pennies is only 100 bucks!
Anyway, don't knock it before you try it or at least wait to see how a few other members get on with it.
cheers.
Quote from: Bally6354 on January 15, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
I don't see where the problem is if it is available for hire and you just pay a percentage from any winnings. I wouldn't imagine anybody would be silly enough to jump in and invest their life savings!
This is a gambling site at the end of the day and some of us like to gamble. I would trust Ophis enough to at least give it a shot. What's to stop anyone playing pennies to start with just to get a feel for it. 10,000 pennies is only 100 bucks!
Anyway, don't knock it before you try it or at least wait to see how a few other members get on with it.
cheers.
You're right Bally and I agree with you.
And I agree with Sam.
Sam
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You can pass with Reversed Labby 1M mark. If you play with 0.01u and 200u BR you can handle large draw downs. Hardly any new stuff. :D
Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:03:00 AM
Okay. So in 3million spins you won 105000 units.
that's 1 unit every 29 spins. It had a max Drawdown of 8000+.
At BV you can do about 3-4000 spins a night so that's a 103-137 units a night.
Now if you play with cents that's 1Euro for a whole evening. 80Euro drawdown for 1euro.
So to make this remotely worthwhile it would have to be played with euros meaning you need a 10000euro bank.
Everyone said the Holy grail would be expensive but i think that's a bit insane. :zzz:
What this means Juiced91 is this so called HG. isn't playable for the average Joe in the everyday world.
And again the irony here is you have this huge drawdown. While everyones attacking me for a mere 242 units risk.
Makes no sense at all.
John,
You are risking 242 units to earn 1. Your method will get huge drawdowns in any large session. This HG has been tested vigorosly for millions of spins. Risk is worth taking if it can return proportionately. Your 7 on 1 or PB can't stand there. We are not talking of hypothetical assumptions of Hit and Run. Everything has been shown clearly and I would not like to repeat that again. If you have any reasoned query, you are most welcome. Don't try to spoil the topic with repeatedly asking or stating answered things.
If anybody has doubts over claim made in this topic or the graphs and results published here, we can ask none other than Victor himself to see the bot and test the data and results. Ophis can be approached by Victor, in that case.
Im stating the simple fact that you want to play with pennies and that would not make it a worthwhile option.
There may be people with 500-1000Euro to invest but unfortunately that would be a stretch for many of us( i would assume) and that's not including the purchase of the bot.
I have always wondered why your still around if youve beaten roulette. Go out and make your money. Its like you enjoy sitting here just to tell us "AHH I've beaten roulette, look at all my claims" blah blah.
What's that saying? Something about publicity... Um...
Ah, yes.
That's it -- "There's no such thing as bad publicity."
Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:58:08 AM
Im stating the simple fact that you want to play with pennies and that would not make it a worthwhile option.
There may be people with 500-1000Euro to invest but unfortunately that would be a stretch for many of us( i would assume) and that's not including the purchase of the bot.
I have always wondered why your still around if youve beaten roulette. Go out and make your money. Its like you enjoy sitting here just to tell us "AHH I've beaten roulette, look at all my claims" blah blah.
If you want to earn millions of Euros by playing with cents, u can't.
More than one methods would pass a very large number of spins, if the spread is as at BV. 1 to 100000.
The likehood of a bust is very small. But the rate it makes the winnings are very small too, it just has a theoretical value.
If a method do not bet every spin, the waiting spins shall not count, to the extreme you can wait 99% of the spins and bet a "safe" way for a small gain with near 100% certain to go plus.
Still a 100 foolproof method can never be done, still we find winners, winners who do not struggle million spins for near nothing.
10 million spins can never be repeat in zillions of years, and there is zilloions of path trough, all will not work, if 2/3 works, you try 12 times you do not know more than a player knows seeing 12 2/3 chances in a row. So the chance of double the bankroll is faster and more realistic in this case play different. There are methods to find out the chance of ruin without testing an near infinite numbers of spins. The fact it will take days and years to find out if you won a double bankroll, or get the knowing faster, has just the time as differ, If anybody like to wait, then use such methods.
If nothing can win in long run, are we here to just tell stories? This is a technique of proportional risk and we are not risking 1000s to win 1 unit. If somebody has anything even remotely equal to this, please come forward and enlighten all. Many are saying it is not earning enough to be played. I ask one serious question, if we play 7 on 1 with 1 cent bets on bv, it will take more than a month to earn Euro 1. If someone is dreaming to win millions of spins with 100 units in pocket, go and daydream about that.
Well i don't want my bankroll to be worth a million to win a million as if i had that million i more than likely wouldn't be here.
Im not saying people with money don't gamble, as those people don't care how much they lose, im saying i might not have the bankroll required to play this. 1 euro a day wouldn't cover my internet bill ;D
Im glad you're going to go and sell everything you have so that you can win a few units and also at a table with 8000+ limit.
Im very happy you found a "profitable" method, it has given me new hope to try harder and find something similar :D .
Quote from: albalaha on January 16, 2013, 08:42:48 AM
If nothing can win in long run, are we here to just tell stories? This is a technique of proportional risk and we are not risking 1000s to win 1 unit. If somebody has anything even remotely equal to this, please come forward and enlighten all. Many are saying it is not earning enough to be played. I ask one serious question, if we play 7 on 1 with 1 cent bets on bv, it will take more than a month to earn Euro 1. If someone is dreaming to win millions of spins with 100 units in pocket, go and daydream about that.
Albahala nobody is saying this doesn't win.We are saying its use in the real world with the average gambler is unrealistic.
The time and size of BR required mean it will stay locked for use on an RNG for small gains.
7 On 1 is not that slow. I can get 5 games an hour alot of the time just from swapping tables. And its now 945/0. Live this method is on its own all things considered.
JL,
The time that u need to make a bet in real casino we can make 50 bets in playtech. Come up with anything even remotely capable of doing like this and then compare.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 16, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
You can pass with Reversed Labby 1M mark. If you play with 0.01u and 200u BR you can handle large draw downs. Hardly any new stuff. :D
Picture or it didn't happen.
that's actually good.
What system is this exactly?
Anyone else got something similar?
We could combine them.
I have an idea! :cheer:
Why don't 10 of us stick in 100 euros.
This would give us 10,000 units playing 0.10 cent units.
The challenge would be to get through 1 million spins!
Looking at the figures suggests we would end up with a finishing balance of roughly 3,000 euros. This means we have tripled our bank. I would be happy to get back 100% profit on my investment and I don't really care how the rest gets split up.
Think about how far you could go if this was rock solid and you compounded a percentage of your profits over time.
just an idea!
that's good idea. Just let me implement playtech....
BTW: anyone got some account this could be done? On casino where there is no problems with withdrawals?
Quote from: albalaha on January 16, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
JL,
The time that u need to make a bet in real casino we can make 50 bets in playtech. Come up with anything even remotely capable of doing like this and then compare.
Yes but 50 what. When im playing for myself I can make over 50 British pounds in an hour.
If you give me a 10,000 unit bankroll. Any number of methods could be made supernova proof.
This isn't the objective for me on these forums. The idea is to come up with an affordable compromise. For players who can't play online and don't have alot of money to start with.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 16, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
If you give me a 10,000 unit bankroll. Any number of methods could be made supernova proof.
1. I said u don't need 10 000 at least 3 times already.
2. I will give u 10 000 units if u give me methods that will survive 10million spins with it. WITHOUT HAR VOODOO.
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Albalaha, if I managed PB with a 10,000 unit BR it will become a holy grail instantly through sheer money management. Simply using multiple betting levels. Its easy to do.
there's no magic here. Ideally everyone should bring a huge BR to the party. But everyone doesn't have 10,000 units.
Juiced spoke of an 8,000 unit drawdown. PB would never ever drawdown even 1,000 units if its money managed properly.
Look what Subby has done with zero MM. Put 10,000 units there and play for 2 unit points. And you have a HG.
So... what is the MM for PB? i will run it in a second in MST on those 3million spins.
Quote from: JohnLegend
Ophis 7 ON 1 survived 5 million spins on an RNG with no H.A.R Voodoo. Why do you think that's anything special?
What ... where? 5?
Quote from: Bayes on January 14, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
Well, it actually HASN'T done that well, because I didn't incorporate the zero factor. This must push up the number of busts, which theoretically would be enough to put the results negative, but even so, I've never seen a system which has done as well even on a no-zero wheel.
So when I upload the actuals file/results, I'll make sure I've taken account of the zero so you get the true picture.
1 million and... read again:
"Well, it actually HASN'T done that well, because I didn't incorporate the zero factor. "
But if the results will be confirmed... then yes.
Quote from: Ophis on January 16, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
And stop deleting your posts John because its breaking the forum...
Breaking what? I will work out the mm for PB and give it to you later.
Regardless 7 ON 1 is a LIVE WHEEL method. And with this H.A.R voodoo as you call it im 945/0
The point is even if there were 50 losses average in a million spin sample. I HAVE TO LAND DEAD ON TOP of one of them. No easy thing.
What im saying here is the power of H.A.R couldnt be shown to maximum effect with PB. The odds are very small.
But with 7 ON 1 its another story. If bayes only hit 30 odd losses in a million. I expect to go no worse than 15. By the time I've played 10,000 games.
And being 945/0 already. This is looking more than likely.
Quote from: JohnLegend
if I managed PB with a 10,000 unit BR it will become a holy grail instantly through sheer money management. Simply using multiple betting levels. Its easy to do
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 16, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
What im saying here is the power of H.A.R couldnt be shown to maximum effect with PB.
So which one is it John?
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Regardless 7 ON 1 is a LIVE WHEEL method. And with this H.A.R voodoo as you call it im 945/0
SO.. u got HG that only works for you. Marvelous. Good Job.
Flat bet odd on BVNOZ for 10000000 spins, and the chance to come out a head is 50%, a lesser chance with 1000 plus, a small chance of 10000 plus..
Quote from: Ophis on January 16, 2013, 02:03:41 PM
So which one is it John?
SO.. u got HG that only works for you. Marvelous. Good Job.
It won't only work for me Ophis. It works for those who can stay with it. Now how many truly can?
I mean look at the trouble you and Albalaha have gone to to gift wrap a Hg. Now be honest how many takers have you got so far. 5, 10, 15.
If you can even find me 10 people who can truly stay with a method and follow the right procedure. Youve got 10 winners.
Some may win more than others. But win they will. The mind gives out first Ophis. You surely know that.
Quote from: JohnLegend on January 16, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
It won't only work for me Ophis. It works for those who can stay with it. Now how many truly can?
I mean look at the trouble you and Albalaha have gone to to gift wrap a Hg. Now be honest how many takers have you got so far. 5, 10, 15.
If you can even find me 10 people who can truly stay with a method and follow the right procedure. Youve got 10 winners.
Some may win more than others. But win they will. The mind gives out first Ophis. You surely know that.
I said im not here to have followers.
Less ppl will buy it the better! Customer support is pain in the a**
It will be for rent - only because people would flame that im showing it and not releasing it.
Quote from: Ralph on January 16, 2013, 02:13:24 PM
Flat bet odd on BVNOZ for 10000000 spins, and the chance to come out a head is 50%, a lesser chance with 1000 plus, a small chance of 10000 plus..
im currently running bot with kamikaze settings on real money... around 30numbers bet with min profit 100units/spin. one hit then reset entire table.... just made 100euro in 1h...
is it a grail? hell no. Is it making money... well it is now. why im playing it? cuz im mad.
would i leave it for a night? no wai!
Quote from: Ophis on January 16, 2013, 12:24:55 PM
that's good idea. Just let me implement playtech....
BTW: anyone got some account this could be done? On casino where there is no problems with withdrawals?
Playtech account or BV account ?
Stef
Quote from: Stepkevh on January 16, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
Playtech account or BV account ?
Stef
Playtech... its faster.
Quote from: Ophis on January 16, 2013, 02:21:01 PM
I said im not here to have followers.
Less ppl will buy it the better! Customer support is pain in the a**
It will be for rent - only because people would flame that im showing it and not releasing it.
im currently running bot with kamikaze settings on real money... around 30numbers bet with min profit 100units/spin. one hit then reset entire table.... just made 100euro in 1h...
is it a grail? hell no. Is it making money... well it is now. why im playing it? cuz im mad.
would i leave it for a night? no wai!
I did some manual play today, using different tables.
Quote from: Ralph on January 16, 2013, 03:40:51 PM
I did some manual play today, using different tables.
that's great results! Great job.
I have different casinos were i have an account, like Casino Las Vegas, Tropez, Flamingo Club, Vegas Red, WH, Winner .
Which one is relyable :)
I just posted on this thread and someone deleted it. OK, if you have the power to delete, you should have the decency to admit who you are and why you deleted.
Don't you think?
Or did Stef make the exact same request on another thread??
Sam
I have deleted your two last posts TCS and few others earlier too. Don't make a topic, a chatroom. Vic, I am trying mozilla, now trying chrome, my mobile not working, blah blah. what is all that? Ask anything relating to topics and if u wish to talk others, PM him.
Ask the harshest question relating to the bot, you will be answered. No off topic talks, in my topics.
Quote from: Stepkevh on January 16, 2013, 03:56:50 PM
I have different casinos were i have an account, like Casino Las Vegas, Tropez, Flamingo Club, Vegas Red, WH, Winner .
Which one is relyable :)
I answered this mans question: I said Vegas Red had paid me. I also said Las Vegas Live had paid me.
Listen, if you don't want me on your topics, just say so and I'll stay off.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 17, 2013, 05:18:54 AM
I answered this mans question: I said Vegas Red had paid me. I also said Las Vegas Live had paid me.
Listen, if you don't want me on your topics, just say so and I'll stay off.
Sam
Albalaha
I am patiently waiting for an answer. Or will just delete the last two posts? Stef asked a question. If my answer was out of line, surely his question was out of line, but you chose not to delete his post.
Waiting.........
Sam
I do not have anything personal against you or anybody else TCS. I just do not want a topic got spoiled by chit chats that are not relevant. It doesn't matter whether u r putting irrelevant stuff or Stef or even Vic.
Once you read it, I will delete all these.
The casinos use the "botverbot" if a fraction of the spins are really playing and the rest mutual bets.
Some years ago the MMM had a HG which wait for 18 EC in a row, and as they were convinced it can impossible be more than 22, the bot went on until a martinagale should start using 0.01 chip.
They won every time about 4 cent a day. After some time the casino closed them down, not for using a bot, but for playing mutual bets in excess.
Quote from: albalaha on January 17, 2013, 05:54:41 AM
I do not have anything personal against you or anybody else TCS. I just do not want a topic got spoiled by chit chats that are not relevant. It doesn't matter whether u r putting irrelevant stuff or Stef or even Vic.
Once you read it, I will delete all these.
But the truth of the matter is this: You chose not to delete Stef's post when he asked the question but you chose to delete mine when I answered the question. This tells me you took no time whatsoever to actually read my post and see that I was contributing to the conversation by saying I had been paid by one of the casinos Stef mentioned.
Would you tell me and the forum how the answer was irrelevant but the question was not? Would you mind telling the forum how, when the question of people contributing 1,000 units for a community pot, and how when someone raised the issue of what casino to use, and when Stef asked about payouts and I answered--would you explain how these are "chit chats that are not relevant."? You certainly did not delete the posts about raising 1,000 units did you?
What you have done here tells people a lot about you.
Go ahead; delete this. But a few will have the chance to read it and understand.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 17, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
But the truth of the matter is this: You chose not to delete Stef's post when he asked the question but you chose to delete mine when I answered the question. This tells me you took no time whatsoever to actually read my post and see that I was contributing to the conversation by saying I had been paid by one of the casinos Stef mentioned.
Would you tell me and the forum how the answer was irrelevant but the question was not? Would you mind telling the forum how, when the question of people contributing 1,000 units for a community pot, and how when someone raised the issue of what casino to use, and when Stef asked about payouts and I answered--would you explain how these are "chit chats that are not relevant."? You certainly did not delete the posts about raising 1,000 units did you?
What you have done here tells people a lot about you.
Go ahead; delete this. But a few will have the chance to read it and understand.
Sam
Albalaha don't mess with Sam his tougher than Zeb Walton.
Thank you, Dr. John
You know, there may be a reason--other than voodoo--as to why your methods work.
I think on it daily! If'n I truly figure it out, I'll post it.
Thanks again, John.
I hope you and I are OK. If'n I can just make peace with Al, I'll be happy!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 17, 2013, 04:11:31 PM
Thank you, Dr. John
You know, there may be a reason--other than voodoo--as to why your methods work.
I think on it daily! If'n I truly figure it out, I'll post it.
Thanks again, John.
I hope you and I are OK. If'n I can just make peace with Al, I'll be happy!
Sam
Sam weve had our differences, Im a true bloviator as you say. But where I blo I will go. That's the difference between me and others that I aim to prove.
I have more respect for you Sam than many. Because you get right to the point on things. Voodoo? I don't really believe I win because of some mysterious force or just luck.
My take on it is simply identifying things that happen rarely in randoms day to day behaviour.Then attempting to forge a workable method around those things.
All the time I ignore what im told is impossible or simply not done. Because of the negative expectancy built into this game.
If I was a yes man Sam I would have given up on this game years ago. If I just went along with all the experts porfolios of doom. I would have left this game alone 10 years ago. And I am sure glad I didn't.
Now on Al, he is a very intelligent guy. Steeped in math to the hilt. But very industrious and proud of his ability to overcome this game.
He is anti progression. Which is his right to be. He is also fiercely protective to other members if he thinks someone is misleading them. I understand that.
But democaracy has to have its day too. And that's why I made a disclaimer on 7 ON 1 about not wanting anyone to play at my level. Until they were strong enough and absolutely sure it's a winner.
He doesn't hold grudges as I don't Sam. But he has his agenda for what he wants to do with this thread. I think he overeacted both in my case and yours. It is a little short sighted and immature to delete posts at random. Im guilty of it too.
But we all have the common goal of beating this game out in the long haul. So we should overcome our differences/beliefs. And get on with that task as best we can.