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[Gizmotron]

Charts don't predict anything. They never will. Past spins do not tell you that something is due. They let you know that a coincidental phase is occurring. Out of 200 spins I get 40 to 50 six in a rows. That gives me 300 occurring events in 200 spins alone. Now half of those are wasted on detection of some kind. It takes MM to live with the possible eventful 150 spins that are left to win or lose with. Then there must be a way to get in on those 15 in a rows, all those 8 and 10 in a rows too. It's like prospecting for me. I make educated guesses, cover the first bet in any speculation, and use the split winning as a fishing expedition. If I lose a next bet after the first win then nothing is lost, but nothing is gained too. But managing that first split bet gets me into a position to capitalize on any of the 8's, 10's, and 15's that could be lurking. For me it's all about allowing myself to win. This is how it is possible to beat the house's advantage. You don't have to go on a balancing, losing streak, just to make the house advantage come true. You don't have to stay at a flat bet level, just to guarantee yourself a 5% long term loss rate. It's best to test the waters to see if you are not in a swarm of second or first losses.


I play a game that wins 64% of every spin. If I'm not getting better than 64% wins then I'm out of there until I can find a swarm of 70% to 80% wins. Anyone can tell if they are in a situation that is not favorable if they just bother to take notice of it. I've seen straight down, lose every spin losses, occurring at the very start of many sessions. You don't have to start out in a hole. Nobody makes you keep placing those bets. You must take control. You might consider along with MM that Control Management is just as important.

[The Crow]

Hi Giz,

Do you have a step by step rule that a simple player like me can follow without having to look at many possibilities? In other words, follow one target (i.e. Red) with rules?

The Crow

[Gizmotron]

Hi Giz,

Do you have a step by step rule that a simple player like me can follow without having to look at many possibilities? In other words, follow one target (i.e. Red) with rules?

The Crow

I do. You follow the dozens 1-12, 13-24, and 25-36 in search of a sleeper in one of the three columns of X's. I use a chart because you can see a sleeper instantly by visual dexterity.  I place bets based on two, three, or four in a row occurrences. Now that comes from experience for how the sleepers are flowing. If there is a swarm of threes then I would only place bets after two in a row occur and not for a fourth. Randomness flows is phases of continuations of like conditions, often. So I look for the continuing phenomenons. You are still focused just on the dozens and you are only looking for sleepers mind you. Once you can grasp the focus on just one grouping and just one type of condition you are ready to apply that knowledge to singles and the other groupings as well. But you still look for two's three's four's etc...


I bet on what I'm seeing in dominance regarding the dozens/sleepers. If there are a ton of singles, and I'm ignoring them, then I'm stuck with the limitations of nothing special happening in the dozens. So I'm forced to wait until something does occur. You can kill the casino by winning a first bet at twice the level of all following bets until a loss. Hit a win streak and you might just have won your session. At my school I have presented the notion that at times a positive progression parlay can do for you all you need to get from a session if you time it right. My teachings are all about timing it right and gaining the experience to do just that. I built practice software that demonstrates what I mean. It's a skill. Seeing an opportunity and positioning yourself for exploitation of it is what that skill is all about. It took me years to get good at this. I'm trying to teach it to others in just a few months. I have no idea how much of it is sinking in. I have a few very dedicated students that look like they are trying to master it. Teaching recognition, conditional awareness, and playing strategy is a lot when it comes to so much data to be processed between spins.


Counting cards is only doable by a few well trained and skillful players. This is no different.

[The Crow]

Thanks Giz.

[Albalaha]

Gizmotron's way to play, in no way answers variance. It presupposes good or average sessions only. Any methodology can beat those but tough times will still take away all. We need to focus there instead of dragging the old rhetorics.

[Gizmotron]

Gizmotron's way to play, in no way answers variance. It presupposes good or average sessions only. Any methodology can beat those but tough times will still take away all. We need to focus there instead of dragging the old rhetorics.

That does not take into account why anyone would back a dead horse. It is all about staying out of bad sessions. It is all about not playing into bad sections because of wishful thinking. In fact, a single loss is a signal that a perfect sequence has started to end. You have been there and you know that you are admitting that you can't see advantages or variance with regards to my methods. Thank you for your opinion.

[Albalaha]

[quote]It is all about staying out of bad sessions.[/quote]

That is not even possible. Whatever you do, you can not filter out all the bad moments from the game. We need to learn to live with them than having a dream of getting none. Nothing can see future in a purely random game.

[Gizmotron]

That is not even possible. Whatever you do, you can not filter out all the bad moments from the game. We need to learn to live with them than having a dream of getting none. Nothing can see future in a purely random game.

Live with this. Every loss is a signal. Get a skill with that and I'll be impressed. I'm an expert on changes. If you aren't, I think that you represent the casino's best friend. You certainly are not qualified to describe what actually works. I have learned to live with losses. If you don't believe me, then just look for it at this very forum where I have clearly pointed it out.


You look to me like the kind of person that just looks for confirmation of your own interests. I see a person that doesn't actually have a working plan for losses. Forget about what "we" need to do and please figure out what you need to do. Learn this if nothing else: You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.


You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.
You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.
You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.
You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.
You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.

[Albalaha]

You look to me like the kind of person that just looks for confirmation of your own interests. I see a person that doesn't actually have a working plan for losses. Forget about what "we" need to do and please figure out what you need to do. Learn this if nothing else: You don't need to see the future in order to be able to live with the inevitable losses.

           Lol. It is not me but you that try/claim to see future by past behaviour. I have strategy to handle even the worst. I do not need clairvoyance in order to win. Read the title of this topic to clarify this.

[Gizmotron]

           Lol. It is not me but you that try/claim to see future by past behaviour. I have strategy to handle even the worst. I do not need clairvoyance in order to win.

It is you that needs to believe that. I believe in the single next spin being part of continuation or not being part of continuation. There is and has never been a need to know what comes next. I just know how to live with it if it loses. You say you have a strategy to deal with the worst. Prove it. You need me to be a blind feckless person as to how to deal with losses and you project to others here that I don't know how to deal with it as if it doesn't even exist for me, your own words.


Consider this for a moment. A past behavior of a consistent sleeping dozen keeps doing that until its first loss. If I get in on that consistency then my first bet has only two outcomes. It wins or it loses. I can live with either. I know that in gambling those are the only realities. I can lose or I can be in position for a huge win streak. You can't win a win streak unless you risk losing to begin with. Nobody can predict the variance that follows a strong coincidence. I say they don't need to. You say I am claiming that I do. Go ahead. Have a discussion on variance where knowing the future is impossible. I'm already down with that. It will be fun to watch you try to figure it out. This "we" and what "we" need to do stuff is interesting "we."

[Jay]

Gizmatron are you saying that you win flat betting by using your system?

Personally I don't believe it's possible to predict future outcomes in a random game, so some kind of money management is essential. By definition random means unpredictable.

[Gizmotron]

Gizmatron are you saying that you win flat betting by using your system?

Personally I don't believe it's possible to predict future outcomes in a random game, so some kind of money management is essential. By definition random means unpredictable.

This is getting old. Nobody predicts future spins. Not having that ability, I don't predict future spins. I don't ignore win streaks like 15 sleeping dozens in a row either. It is impossible to know when 15 sleeping dozens will occur. Knowing that, if you are getting past the prediction hangup, are you listening? I'm winning by attacking the streaks of wins. These moments always continue until the first loss. This loss is a GIANT SIGNAL!  It takes the awareness of current conditions to know if you are in the middle of a win streak. It is then, AND ONLY THEN, that I up my bets.


Part of my method is prospecting. I use two $100 bets, one dozen, and one other dozen, to get a first win. Once that occurs, I split the winnings of $100 to two bets, $50 & $50. Those probing bets can not hurt me. I win or I break even with them.  About once every two years I see 30 sleepers in a row. You can study millions of spins and I can assure you that you will find several 30+ sleepers or singles in a row. I don't care what uneducated people really think real is.


Just to be clear, I have not told you about how to live with those first bets that lose. Don't bother trying to say that I'm unaware of them. I know how to live with the losses. It's not that hard to figure out how balance occurs in three bets placed at the same price and what the odds are for double dozen bets doing that.


I hope that helps. Do you have any other questions?

[Gizmotron]

With so much confusion in this thread I suggest that a definition of variance is in order.

[alrelax]

RTM or losing time.  Or, simple terms, you played a section on a baccarat card and hit 4 times wagering on the opposite side---after it was already 3 in a row repeating.  Then the following half a shoe or a section, went 7 or 9 times or even more---once the 3 repeats showed up.  Or you won 15 units/wagers and lost the next 15 unit/wagers over the course of an equal amount of time playing.  Or, your 'key triggers' worked each and every time for the shoe and failed on the two subsequent shoes.

[Jay]

I hope that helps. Do you have any other questions?

Well thanks but whether you choose to call it "prediction" or something else doesn't really resolve the dilemma as far as I can see. What you seem to be saying is that you try to anticipate a winning streak based on one or more past wins, and the signal to stop betting is when you get one or more losses. If there was an advantage in this it should show up in the stats shouldn't it? But according to my research it doesn't. What I've found is that past successes don't reliably indicate future successes, and also past losses don't indicate more losses. What seems to be the beginning of a trend could reverse at any time, and similarly what seems be the end of a trend could also be just be temporary. What happens is that the false starts and ends eat away at your bankroll so that in the end you break even, or worse.