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[Pockets]

Sam did show this in a video how he has achieved 10 days of all winning sessions (well nearly all sessions) using excel bots. 

[Superman]

Follow him, then

If you do, also read the posts where it all fails eventually, Sam has posted it a few times after good long runs. I agree the comment (Follow him, then) is unjustified.

scientific or intuition that helps in identifying those downturns

There is no responsible answer to that question, we only recognize  a downturn once it's happening, the only way I know of is you have your personal bet selection, playing it results in your own personal LW registery, over time YOU know how bad or good a session can get, YOU feel after a certain length of good or bad run, YOU feel comfortable at that point to either hold bet size if ahead OR very near to the plus, if you are down a fair bit YOU should be able to understand from your previous games, when it MAY be safe to try and recoup a little or a lot of it, there is no mechanical way of playing so in reality, ANY bet selection is as good as the next, the long wait methods just prolong the bad bits.

I only play EC red/black FTL so I start after the 1st spin, I will miss a few spins if the flip flop is running strong, I usually dive back in after any colour has hit 3 times in a row, I set a target of 1 euro if using 0.05 chips, 2 euro if using .10 chips and so on, I don't play to make a living, don't want the stress of it, even playing for low value chips is stressful if you are concentrating, I only play RNG at BetVoyager, NZ and European, I have a feel of what's coming soon as I know the way I play returns a certain structure of LW reg. This only comes with time spent at the screen watching marquees for hours and hours, hence Red/Black only, you can visualy see the patterns created, I would guestimate I only win around 40% of the bets I place, it's the concentrated guessing is the part that recovers where you must decide when to increase the chips. It's not easy.

[Albalaha]

If you do, also read the posts where it all fails eventually, Sam has posted it a few times after good long runs.I agree the comment (Follow him, then) is unjustified.

            Every method have same fate. What good it made to all that this action is being cited? When a method loses principally, it is useless to make a video of that. Better simulate that in excel and save your time and that of others. Unless a method can better be understood visually,I do not feel it is any good to make video of that.

[Number Six]

           It will take your life to get any closer to me and do not get frustrate by this crude fact.

It would be easy to add some credence to your reputation by undergoing a public test. The test can be set up in such a way to preserve anonymity of any bet selection.

[Albalaha]

It would be easy to add some credence to your reputation by undergoing a public test. The test can be set up in such a way to preserve anonymity of any bet selection.

It has been done earlier too in public test. Have a look :
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/4336241/Entering-hall-of-fame#.UqXGH9IW1A4


Any doubts of fabrications? Go and ask the admin of that site.

[Pockets]

It's not easy.

Much appreciate the response Superman. Really helpful and help put things in perspective for people like me. Will keep that in mind. Amazing how simple your approach is. Will need to try this out.

[Number Six]

Anything that considers past outcomes could be coded. Where there is logic there can be replication.

As for Albalah's test, it's a large sample but the results are still random, you can see that by looking at the graph. There are some contradictions in his claims, I'm not convinced they are worth understanding, especially if I have to pay 19.99. Besides, I really need to stock up on toilet roll for Christmas. I doubt one PDF will be enough.

What might matter to you is what I want to show you next. Number Six, you probably will have to take more than 7-8 incarnations before getting light years of distance closer to me.

Sure, it will be my life's work anyway.

[Pockets]

Sure, it will be my life's work anyway.

Good on you mate 

[wannawin]

I will delete everything that is not constructive to this thread.I opened my thread with a quote from a friend which I found interesting to discuss and I will not not let it degenerate.

Relevant messages to the quote message are welcome.
In all the threads people are subject to the rules of the forum. In the threads made ​​by other members each member sets his rules. My rules are: please keep the discussion on the topic at hand. Not much to ask. Thank you very much.

[wannawin]

Thank you for your sober friend Marshall. Your apologies are gratefully accepted and demonstrate a good attitude towards life from you. Maybe there is a way to join this post with the principal topic so that everyone will enjoy productive discussion back to the issue.

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Or did I only win because I knew when to leave the table?

I think the time of entry and exit in progression game is foremost. In the progression game one missed spin can make the whole difference between a successful get away in the session and the absolute failure. Here is the importance of not making human errors.

That is the great heart of the matter. How to know when it will change the game ? The truth is that we do not know because the game can change abruptly by each set. We can only speculate on the gradual changes. Many say they use intuition for this.I believe that intuition is the perception of the early signals. To be able to change strategy on the spot. While not all cases will be successful to change because there are abrupt cases. Persons using the early signals are right every time changes happen. With a robot that does not change there is no possibility of using this intuition play.

Maybe intuition can be also executed in the form of indicators by the computer. Maybe poor performance early is the indication for the intuition game. Maybe intuition is a good run that is now much larger than normal so that must end soon. It is the trigger for that intuition to change too.

[TwoCatSam]

My apologies to Wannawin for adding fuel to the fire.

If I play roulette on a daily basis and always leave the table with some profit, and I do so for 20 years or more, and then I retire to live out my remaining days with an accumulated fortune at my disposal, would you say I have beaten the game of roulette?

Or did I only win because I knew when to leave the table?

MBB

Are you saying:  "Hypothetically I did x, y and z.", or are you saying you have actually done this? 

I read you saying you have never left the table a loser in 20 years.  Are you making that as a factual statement?

Just curious.....

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

I will freely admit I have had systems I thought were infallible.I was wrong.I have had systems that worked for so long,I thought they would never fail.I was wrong. 

Years ago I studied a system while my wife was undergoing physical therapy.  Sitting in the car,I did 5,000 spins, 100 at a time.  (OK, some I did at home.)  This system never failed to produce a profit.I then went to CasinoWebCam and played the system.I took $300 to over $3,200 before they discovered I was an American and shut me down.I also tried this system at several other casinos and it worked.

I thought this system was the be-all and end-all.  It wasn't. 

It seems to work best on a John Huxley Starburst wheel.  Dublin has one through their associate.  When I got an account at Dublin,I tried the system.  It failed.

So if you can do 5,000 dummy spins and win and then actually win $2,900 and have something fail, what is there?  When you can win money at three casinos with a system and then have it fail, what is there to say? You were on a lucky streak?

All I have learned in the past seven years has not brought me one inch closer to winning long term.

I don't know where that "follow him" statement came from or if it was about me but if it was--take some friendly advice:  Don't follow me!

[Moderator's Comment:  To stop you thinking you're going nuts (LOLOL) the 'follow him' was part of an abrupt reply from one member to another in one of the posts that has since been deleted.  So relax -- no need to change your medication after all! ]

Sam

[NathanDetroit]

Winners are the people who when the odds are stacked against them, and those around them have fallen, will have the courage to look within themselves and make the unbelievable believable, and the impossible possible.
— C. Phillips

[Number Six]

Every aspect of roulette has to be defined in some way, if only to one's self. It's difficult when you're dealing with random outcomes. The only things that seem real are what you see; mostly the key lies in defining what you can observe, and these things are selective to individual knowledge and brain power. Many "philosophies" are illusions that don't actually exist.

The concept of hit and run is one such idea. Randomness does not allow someone to hit and run repeatedly. The game is random when you play, it carries on being random when you stop, and is random when you play again. Therefore every single spin (or actually, wager) is just part of one long game. Randomness does not care if you take a three day break between games, or play two sessions in different casinos on opposite sides of the world. Hit and run is simply a fallacy for those who have the fear of losing.

Pattern betting is another illusion. Every outcome is random, so nothing can be defined as being anything but random until after the fact, whether it's a single spin or a series of spins. You can't bet on a pattern, because as soon as you place a wager, the pattern you think you see ends.

Tracking and virtual wins and losses is another illusion. It does not alter the state of affairs,I.e. it does not change probability. Probability only applies to spins on which real money is wagered. Where there is no wager, there is zero chance of winning or losing. You can't circumvent the house edge by tricking it and not placing a wager. It stops existing when you stop betting, and exists when you begin again.

MBB

Are you saying:  "Hypothetically I did x, y and z.", or are you saying you have actually done this? 

I read you saying you have never left the table a loser in 20 years.  Are you making that as a factual statement?

Just curious.....

Sam

Similarly, how does someone know when to leave the table? The session is tough so they stop. But that doesn't mean the next session is not going to begin tough, and how long you sit out is irrelevant. Roulette is a game of life. When you're in it, you're in it for ever, and variance follows you around everywhere; it stops when you stop and starts when you start. It's like having a monkey sitting on your shoulder all the time. Sometimes it will gently massage your head or give you a cuddle. Often it will stuff down your back. Occasionally it may bite you in the neck. For some people it might just rip out their jugular.

[TwoCatSam]

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I cannot disagree with a thing you said.  I can only quote Robert Browning:  "Ah, but a man's reach must exceed his grasp or what's a heaven for?"

So we plod along......

Sam