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[iggiv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

[iggiv]

the guy has 12 Holy Grails and still prefers to argue in the forum about 'em in forums rather than playing in casinos. That's must be something from a soup opera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYF8NhEDn0

[VLS]

I'm asking you politely to remove your signature and email address.

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Cheers.
Vic

[Albalaha]

Again, you're not listening. I didn't say you had to post it here, and I even offered to code it for you. If you're so confident in it I would have thought you'd jump at the chance; think of the publicity it will give you when I post the amazing results. Sales will go through the roof, and you'll get the recognition you feel you deserve.

                Bayes, people are turning mad over this and why I am not revealing what I have and what I claim. If you can recall, a few days back, I asked you a mathematical question regarding probability of happening and non-happening of something. I plainly asked u as to how likely it is to get less than 45 wins of a dozen in a span of 185 spins? You described it in detail and if I am not incorrect, you said that 99.3% (only 7 in 1000 sessions can be an exception) I should get any number of hits from 40 to 80 of any single dozen in a span of 185 spins. That is roughly a range of -3 SD to +3 SD.
                          Now, I can beat this situation below a bet of 100 units (in whatever style 40 hits come). The worst drawdown, I can see is -200. My average winning per session is 100 units. I will surrender a session if it somehow reaches -300 or more and retry from there. Now, is it an HG? Anybody who can get things set in this odds have a grail of his own. There is no need of coding this, to test. It is a very simple progression that even a 10 years kid can count and apply.
                     You can see that Ophis has left public domain, after HG bot. He told me to do the same, that time. I was happy to see millions of spins going down drain against my mathematical approach but yet I wasn't fully satisfied. just two days later, I could beat both books of zumma baccarat, with altogether different approach.
                 As you pointed out, there are certain methods which can be proved but not played (manually at least). I believe that nobody till date has beaten more than 10 millions spins with any mathematical manner and without any kind of reverse engineering (cherry picking) apart from me and Ophis.
            So, my grails (which were displayed in testmystraegy and bot made by Ophis) were practically useless for me. I do not like to wait a few thousands spins or a few hundred hands of baccarat just to get a trigger to place my bet. I wanted to have something that can win 99% or even more sessions within 200 spins max (that anybody can play in any casino or online) and when it loses  1 session out of 100, it doesn't lose winning of 99 times.
               I started tracking as to what is most obvious expectation within 200 spins that I can target. Obviously, ECs and dozens/columns can do that best. I kept my researches on and kept putting various challenges around this. Whoever beaten any such cases merely tried to fit a suitable size plug in suitable size hole. You can go through them and if u have even a little sense of maths, if u will see they were illogical ways to do them. The challenge was not to beat a situation by seeing a particular "weak" side of that. A little shuffling of wins/losses would have made claimants look funny.
                                  Anyhow, it is not a rocket science what I did and u can't do. Pockets has openly claimed to beat #3 and all sessions alike with one strategy. He PMd me for zumma numbers w/l chart and I gladly passed that to him. Now, ball in his court. He may realize that whatever he did through #3 won't hold on other similar cases. May be I am wrong and he actually beat all numbers. Wait and watch.

[AMK]

Hello Al,


It seems that you are very determined to convince others you have a realistic grail for live play.


This debate will go on indefinitely.


I remember when JL took up a challenge and played on the casino account of Superman, I think we all remember this.


The only way you are going to convince anyone you have the grail is to either reveal it ( which only a few will play) or take up a challenge like JL did.


I am sure there will be enough people who will allow you to play on their casino account. All profits go to you. We will have to set win goals etc.


What are your thoughts on how you can realistically convince people you have a grail?

[Albalaha]

Dear AMK,
           JL was only working on martingale and grand martingale type stuff which are proven failures. I do not pity just him but his followers too. When I simulated his way with Ophis MST, it was clear like a glass that it is based upon a failure idea.
               I wonder that someone even did need to simulate to understand that a martingale is surest way to lose max and win least, in whatever trigger you play that.


               My HG is based upon clear target:
If I get only 45 or even 40 wins of a dozen in 185 spins, i.e. -3 SD
  can I win such session?
    wins may come in any scatter or cluster


I am not using any progression like martingale because I know that a dozen may drag me as long as 36 spins, for a win, once in a while.
             and I am not relying on a cluster of wins either, so regression or something like Oscar Grind won't help me either.
              Regarding proving my grail, I do not think I need to do that. Even if I prove this by playing in someone's account, will it fetch me a Nobel Prize?
                   I am not saying I am a genius who did this and there can be no match. I can teach all basics to all of you very clearly (apart from progression), if all those who are making fun, apologize here.
         In my last 5 years on various forums, I have yet to see/read any method which is even worth trying mathematically or logically. Everyone is showing a favorable session where it can win, be it a newbie forum member or known book authors. Everyone is saying play this and that. Nobody can answer why should we play that and how will it be beneficial. I asked from Johnlegend to Izak Matatya, Gizmotron to Kimo Li, Bayes to GLC. Everyone says, it should work but can't explain why.

[AMK]

I don't know Al.


Your debate with others over your grail or their grail will go on for eternity.


You will not reveal your grail or take up a challenge.


I don't think anybody is going to apologize to you.


If you wish to help others regardless of criticism, then you should just start a thread in which you reveal your basics of your grail. State at the beginning of your thread that you will be very selective with answering questions, only polite ones etc.


As for me I wil only pay attention to this new thread, I cannot gain anything from people claiming they have a grail etc etc


I still have to review pockets  method explanation but I assume it exists. He is willing to reveal his grail.


As I have said before if you release a grail only a few will believe you. I mean come on, you have the grail, sure.


You can show all the stats and graphs you want, how can anyone confirm your results. They can't only programmers can. Even if they report back, yes it passes all "somebody" has do to is say, this doesn't work, tested it long term and doubt will be forever there.


If a person does have a grail then I feel this person has a moral obligation to do right. This person can start numerous development projects etc it is not only about this persons financial gain anymore unless they have no conscious.

[pb65]

If a person does have a grail then I feel this person has a moral obligation to do right.

Personally I don't agree with this, but that is just me.  Anyone who has a grail would be stupid to reveal it, once too many people know it the casinos would just change the rules so it can no longer win.

However, having said that, Albalaha, has constantly criticised anyone who claims to have the grail for not revealing it, therefore he is a hypocrite and should either shut up, piss off or do as AMK suggests and submit to an independent challenge on someone else's casino account. This way he can't cheat by making extra deposits when he loses his BR as JohnLegend did.

[Bayes]

In my last 5 years on various forums, I have yet to see/read any method which is even worth trying mathematically or logically. Everyone is showing a favorable session where it can win, be it a newbie forum member or known book authors. Everyone is saying play this and that. Nobody can answer why should we play that and how will it be beneficial. I asked from Johnlegend to Izak Matatya, Gizmotron to Kimo Li, Bayes to GLC. Everyone says, it should work but can't explain why.

Al, there have been plenty of threads on various forums over the years devoted to tackling this problem. I've raised it myself more than once and have provided computer generated "sequences from hell" for members to test their MM skills on. In particular, there was a long thread on rf.cc a couple of years ago called "beating roulette with math" or something like that. This was based on a thread in the old VIP forum back in 2004 (Mr J might remember it) in which a member called "Perkin" explored a modified labby which was designed to beat the worst-case scenario over 200 spins on the ECs (around 65 wins).


The reason you aren't going to win any popularity contests here, and why few will mourn your passing (if you decide to leave - finally), is because of your negative and demanding attitude. In all honesty, I can't see what you're trying to achieve with the constant sniping and belittling of other members, the demands that they come up with a HG, and also that they recognize your "achievements" (which haven't been demonstrated, only boasted about), not to mention the hypocrisy, as pb65 has pointed out.


You may not be interested in being Mr popular, but just think about that before you start complaining that other members are "attacking" you.

[FLAT_IN_O]

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Cheers.
Vic

But you are the boss Vic.

[AMK]

Hello pb65,


I didn't mean this person should reveal it only that they should use the grail to also do good with not just selfish greed for more money for oneself.


Al, it is possible for Ophis to create a bot which can be rented out. You guys create a website and here people can rent the bot. The bot can be made so that placed bets are not seen as well as the screen. The bot just runs. After a month another payment has to be made.


You can earn much more money this way then playing yourself or having one or two bots play for you.


I don't see why this project could not work.

[VLS]

But you are the boss Vic.

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An email address by itself doesn't say much. I stand for it. Context is everything



By the way, this thread is soon to close. Main point has been conveyed and the useful spawned discussion can be better served by means of new dedicated threads.

[FLAT_IN_O]

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An email address by itself doesn't say much. Context is everything



By the way, this thread is soon to close. Main point has been conveyed and the useful spawned discussion can be better served by means of new dedicated threads.

OK boss...I oppened it just to see how my friend Ali is doing in exile,but here he is back again boundless
and alive with new ideas....I strongly believe he has something,and I apologise/so he ask/to him,and
anxiously expect his HG on my email.

[iggiv]

"put up or shut up". Be decent enough. You are not obligated to reveal your private info, nobody is. But be at least a decent man and do not shout loudly, don't boast about your achievements, especially in ridiculous terms of "Holy Grail" and "i can win millions spins in the row". You achieved your goals, you wanna leave forums? Fine. Say "Good buy, ladies and gentlemen, i achieved what i was aiming for, i wish you all best of luck." That will be enough. And then -- don't come back to boast and tell how unique your achievements are.

And nobody will make fun of you then.

[iggiv]

and one more thing. There are a lot of people which achieved interesting results on million spin graphs. It happens this way or  that. Some of those people start yelling about Holy Grail and stuff like that. Others just tell their friends. I know another guy in those forums who told me about his big graph on the same site as Al.
Actually he held one of the first places there some time ago. He knew that this graph does not mean he won roulette on a long run. Nothing to boast about for a whole world to know. And even if he did he would not boast about it to the public. Because it does not show you as a good man. And it is not smart as well. Why to draw attention to yourself? You will not help yourself by doing this. Quite on the contrary.