It is basically the following......
Go up one step after each loss and down one step after a win and start over after back-to-back wins or 2-out-of-3 wins.
He wrote a book in 1995 titled 'Beat the casino'. This is one of the many ideas he shared.
cheers
p.s. It would be nice if somebody had a copy of that book. ;)
Still in print.
The used price looks a bit better than the new price!! LOL
http://www.amazon.com/Beat-Casino-Frank-Barstow/dp/0671709593 (http://www.amazon.com/Beat-Casino-Frank-Barstow/dp/0671709593)
Thanks esoito :thumbsup:
I will send away for a copy. (used of course)
Assume you had five losses 1 2 3 4 5 then won 6 and 5. Haven't you won 11 and lost 15?
Hello Sam
I ordered the book last night and will put up some of his progression twists once it arrives.
His book was recommended to me by several people. My goal for 2013 is to learn as much about MM as I can.
p.s. The fibonacci sequence is 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89.
I think your example is using the D'alembert.
ok... so I finished reading the book and I can't really see why some call it a classic.
My verdict after reading loads of books over the last few months on MM is that you are better to use some kind of positive progression as opposed to a negative one.
I like the Guetting Progression.
If I had to play a negative one...
Probably the GR8Player progression.
Both of them can be used conservatively and shouldn't give anybody a heart attack if they use common sense.
cheers.
Quote from: Bally6354 on January 16, 2013, 12:23:07 AM
I like the Guetting Progression.
I used to do a lot of tennis betting & used the Guetting as a kind of over-arching progression.For example, if you're betting favourites in the main, it may take 3 winners to reach your +1 even unit, but just use it within the normal Guetting framework of moving up to 1.5units base bet after reaching +2units etc. If you do get on a good run, profits can increase nicely - but be ready to drift up & down, seemingly for weeks sometimes.I tried it recently again on straight-up numbers. It sure is a grinder!
Quote from: monaco on January 16, 2013, 11:15:07 AM
If you do get on a good run, profits can increase nicely - but be ready to drift up & down, seemingly for weeks sometimes.
I tried it recently again on straight-up numbers. It sure is a grinder!
Cheers monaco :thumbsup:
I do get a lot of close wins and this is why I like the Guetting.
I had a look at a few others....
Reverse Labouchere
STAR
surewin
All these do well with close wins but are negative progressions and something in my gut tells me not to touch them.
Even the GR8Player neg progression can get out of hand and that's pretty mild compared to some others.
I did a few experiments and the Guetting wins hands down. I don't mind grinding if I have to.
If you like the Guetting, you might like the 'Royal Baccarat Parlay'. I have used it in the past & do like it.
I used to have a link to it but it seems to be dead now - I've got a copy saved though - I'll give you the whole thing as it was originally laid out :
Royal Baccarat Parlay
Progression: For All Even Chance Games
Money Management is critical to success in the game of baccarat. You can spend your entire life
searching for the perfect bet selection; if you don't have the right bet selection then you are not going
to have long-term success. Progressions can be useful in the game, but only if you use them in the
right fashion. The progression that you use should mesh with your bet selection. You do not want to
chase your losses, for chasing your losses is a sure way to lose in the long run. Progressions do not
have to be steep, nor do they have to be explosive. The most powerful progressions are the ones that
can deliver small brute force, while keeping your risk at a minimal level. The progression that you are
about to learn is parlay progression with a unique twist.
This progression can only be used with systems that tend to get wins in clusters. It is designed to be
played with the Royal Baccarat System. There are some special rules that I apply to the Parlay
Progression, when using it for the Royal Baccarat System. The special Rules will not be included in this
document.
This progression is designed to be non-explosive. It is designed to take advantage of small clusters of
wins. If you want to play it more aggressive then you can. Your aggression level is up to you.
The Highest bet that you will make is 2 units until you reach +23 units. There are 2 phases to the
progression:
Phase 1:
1, 1.5, 1, 1.5 until you reach +3 units.
You will bet 1 unit. If you win the 1 unit bet then you will bet 1.5 units. If you lose the 1 unit bet, then
you continue betting until you get a win. If you lose 3 bets in a row, you will stop until you get a virtual
win, then return back to 1 unit.
If you win the 1 unit bet then you bet 1.5 units. If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you drop down to 1 unit.
If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you continue betting 1.5 units until you get a win. If you lose 3 times in
a row then you stop, wait for a virtual win, then continue betting at 1 unit. So you drop from 1.5 to 1
unit.
Play this way until you make 3 units. So you want to hit +3 units. As soon as you make 3 units you have
two options. Option 1, quit the shoe. Option 2, move to the second stage.
Phase 2:
1.5, 2 units
This works the same as phase 1 but you play until you add 4 units onto your profit. When you add 4
units, you should be at least +7 units. You can either stop playing or drop back down to phase 1 then
continue the phase 1, phase 2 cycle.
When you reach +23 units, you will begin to use bigger bets. Phase 3 will be 2, 2.5; phase 4 will be 2.5, 3
and so on.
Your stop-loss will be between -5 to -9 units. Your win goal will be between 3-7 units. If the shoe is
good, then shot for over 10 units.
If you have trouble playing in .5 units then you can make phase 1 be 1,2 and phase 2 be 2,3.
If you lose 2 shoes in a row then you will want to increase your base bet. So let's say that you lost 2
shoes. For the third shoe you will increase your base bet (previously at $20) to 2 units, now $40.
This progression is about locking up your profits and taking advantage of the strings of wins, while
keeping losses small. For this reason, it is important to have a solid bet selection. If you are interested
in a good bet selection to apply this to then I highly suggest that you consider the Royal Baccarat
Method.
Contact royalbaccarat@gmail.com
Example of Betting Repeats:
R Bet 1 unit
R Win bet 1.5 units [+1]
R bet 1 unit [+2.5]
B lose, bet 1 unit [ +1.5]
R lose, Bet 1 unit [+.5]
R win, Bet 1.5 units [+1.5]
R win, Bet 1 unit [+2.5]
R win, bet 1.5 units [+3.5] now on phase 2
R win, bet 2 units [+5]
B lose, bet 2 units [+3]
R lose, bet 2 units [+1]
B lose, bet 2 units [-1] now drop to 1.5 of phase 2
B Virtual win
R lose, bet 1.5 units [-2.5]
R Win, bet 1.5 units [-1]
R win, bet 2 units [1]
R win, bet 1.5 units [2.5]
B lose, bet 2 units [+.5}
B win, bet 2 units [+2.5]
B win, bet 1.5 units [+4}
********************************************************
If you do have close wins, it may work well for you.
I didn't really go up through the levels too much, just the first two - I tended to use it to try & recoup safely after losing 7 or 8 units flatbetting.
Thanks very much monaco! I will study that and let you know how I get on. :)
I know fibo and see a old post in the past about Frank Barstow's variant of the 12 step fibo.
his version was 15 steps.
Is it in the book you buy, if so could you post his variant or variants of the fibo ...
Many Thanks
Hello Sputnik
The only mention of the fibo in this particular book (beat the casino) is on page 76.
It just looks like a plain 12 step fibo to me...
1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 (risk 608)
He did go on to mention that he thought this method would be ideal for team play.
"one could use it eight hours per day for a solid week with reasonable expectation of winning about $20 per hour and having not a single series loss. A husband and wife team betting opposites could anticipate $40 per hour profit"
He went on to say....
"If one were to use this method for three to five hours at single zero roulette, the odds that he'd never lose his bet series would be enormous - surely better than 5/1"
Well, I don't call 5/1 odds enormous myself. He does seem to enthuse more about this method compared to the others he talks about.
cheers :thumbsup:
I like to flat bet my way through and i use fibbo when in the minus zone. After i win some i do play a regression letting ride my wins. It is pretty effective , even with a very standard bet selection like FTL after a win that comes after a series of losses (LLW).
EXAMPLE:
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Quote from: Bally6354 on January 17, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
Hello Sputnik
The only mention of the fibo in this particular book (beat the casino) is on page 76.
It just looks like a plain 12 step fibo to me...
1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 (risk 608)
He did go on to mention that he thought this method would be ideal for team play.
"one could use it eight hours per day for a solid week with reasonable expectation of winning about $20 per hour and having not a single series loss. A husband and wife team betting opposites could anticipate $40 per hour profit"
He went on to say....
"If one were to use this method for three to five hours at single zero roulette, the odds that he'd never lose his bet series would be enormous - surely better than 5/1"
Well, I don't call 5/1 odds enormous myself. He does seem to enthuse more about this method compared to the others he talks about.
cheers :thumbsup:
Thanks for the input ...
The fibo i been experimenting with in the past looks like this 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89
I am not a progression freak, but i notice that you don't have to win every bet with the progression it self as winnings chop and produce tight streaks ...
What kind of bet selection for even money bets does he suggest in his book, curios.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 17, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
I like to flat bet my way through and i use fibbo when in the minus zone. After i win some i do play a regression letting ride my wins. It is pretty effective , even with a very standard bet selection like FTL after a win that comes after a series of losses (LLW).
EXAMPLE:
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LOL i like your name as i am expert regarding his work.
I can see that you run numbers with notpad and by hand do some testing, cool.
It looks like you running Mac or Linux.
I also do allot of hand testing, but most regarding different even money bet selections.
Quote from: Sputnik on January 17, 2013, 08:45:55 PM
LOL i like your name as i am expert regarding his work.
I can see that you run numbers with notpad and by hand do some testing, cool.
It looks like you running Mac or Linux.
I also do allot of hand testing, but most regarding different even money bet selections.
Mac.
Marigny is a good start. =)
Sputnik
There is nothing really worth sharing from the book.
It is a little bit outdated really.
My idea of something that could work is the Guetting betting between 8-14 numbers. However that might be stretching things a little too much.
Betting 12 numbers returns 2/1. You can increase a winning bet by 50% and still retain some profit. That appeals to me as a way to get some good leverage going. Any kind of progression should not be an excuse to bet on every spin and I think a cautious approach to some of them could really help a player out.
cheers.
YES..... I bought this book in the early 90's ,soft cover, and at that time I was looking and reading and buying books on gambling. I tried his Fibo series at home with a set of dice and also bought chips .. practicing so I could automatically make the right bet amount quickly ... as I decided to use it on the field bet in craps ... which is a bet on every roll of the dice...
I tried it at Atlantic City - Caesars Palace ... at that time I believe it was the only place that had a 3-1 in addition to the 2-1 pay off in the field . I started the series betting $5 , $6 , $5 ,$6......
If you have the book he has this sequence in the beginning of the series 5,6,5,6 ... if you loose 2 bets in a row then go into the fibo series ... this is how I interpreted it ..and that is how I practiced it .... I had about $500 - $600 on me and bought in for $200 ..... at first I was the only one betting the field but as my progressions hit people started to bet it .. there was one woman who would start betting after I was 2 or three bets into the progression.
Two suits came over and stood behind the dealers watching after awhile .... I don't remember how long I played but I was getting tired and eventually quit grinding out a little over $200 profit . I never had to reach into my pocket for more $$$$ in the series . BTW I never tried it again because I think I was lucky because the more I read about gambling progressions the day will come when the progression will not work...
Barstow notes that progressions should be limited because most of your hits in a progression are in the lower scale of the progression .. of course you can start a progression and tap out without any wins also.
Later on Caesars scrapped the 3-1 payout in the field.
I relocated and do not have the book but am thinking of re-buying it as in the last few yrs the area I am in now has opened a casino... I was doing some online searching and hit on this thread so decided to reply .. I am interesting in testing some of Barstow's ideas and have a good dice simulator WIN CRAPS.
Good luck .