ND mention one old method for me and it made me think of a similiar method "Point & Figure".
You can download it from my dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fqb170zh36kx0v/pnf.pdf?dl=0
It speaks about how the flow comes in short Waves and larger Waves - as we know as choppy table or streaky table.
I have been testing this method with succés - that means that it has been pretty easy to win some during 1000 trails.
There is some variance and fluctation, but i assume all methods face that after 1000 trails and more.
This is how it looks with choppy tables:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEFn7_OJIU
I also test only playing streak's and get the same results.
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https://youtu.be/FEO4IMYfTXs
For the ones who don't understand point and figure method is one of the oldest techniques of technical analysis commonly used in trading. Basicly it tries to catch and exploit trends while they last. Although originaly created for stocks, it can be easily transfered to EC games, but there are some important things in stocks trading which we can't find in roulette (like support and demand), so we are more or less left with mechanical triggers here. I haven't test this to death but only knowing the fact that we are dealing only with mechanical triggers I suppose how this ends.
This has been mentioned in the past and a few years ago Bayes actually made a DOS program to transfer EC bets to look like a stock charts for easier understanding.
I have every single published program of his, so I can dig this up if someone is interested, but of course with his permission first. Or maybe he still has it somewhere...
Although If I remember running this wasn't straightforward and simple coz it was DOS program. Anyway it can be done for sure and it worked nicely. I have all saved together with explanations how to run it.
Best
Drazen
Quote from: Drazen on May 02, 2015, 08:12:26 PM
This has been mentioned in the past and a few years ago Bayes actually made a DOS program to transfer EC bets to look like a stock charts for easier understanding.
Hi Drazen,
You'll probably find the attached easier to use. It's based roughly on an old program I uploaded to rouletteforum.cc which tracked a lot of bet selections and selected the worst performing ones according to the number of hits since a win and double win (the center radio buttons). You might have more success with this because of the graphical element, and also it tracks the last 60 spins which is 20 more than the old program.
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Thanks a lot! I can run it. I understand how earlier version was tailored and how it worked, but now I have to admit I am not sure how to use best of those new improvements...
Is this what you are using for your real play, as I see notification you said you will stress about its use? Also this is for sure preview as your web isn't completely finished yet, and we have this tool before web is running.
I am sure many will agree that W/L ratio we see is astonishing for EC bet, but it isn't quite self explanatory how to get it overall in play :) And of course there is MM for which you said isn't so obvious, and gives us solution to cope with any eventuality with very low stakes. I would be very glad if that won't be lefted out too :), but I think for all that it would be the best to wait you settle all things on your web, right?
Thanks
Drazen
Quote from: Drazen on May 05, 2015, 05:00:05 PM
Is this what you are using for your real play, as I see notification you said you will stress about its use?
Drazen
Sometimes I use this, but mostly I use a kind of matrix based on all possible permutations of 5 outcomes, which also includes staking options (which I'll be making available on the web site when it's finished). In this software the counts measure the number of misses. L2 & L4 track the longest runs since multiple hits, so it generates long losing streaks, and the default bet is for the direction to go up, but you can change this by clicking "Bet Opp." (if you want to keep track of the wins and losses). L3 tracks the longest sequence without a double win (two in a row). This can go to 60 or more and can generate long choppy sequences. There are 9 options in all and I find it best to keep the pattern changing (leave "Fix Ptn" unchecked), although sometimes it's useful to fix it if you have a very unusual sequence and want to play it beyond the default point where it automatically switches to the next pattern. Or you can just use it as a point n figure plotter which tends to generate extreme sequences, betting either for the trend to continue down or whatever you like, based on subjective criteria.
All very clear, as usual. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]
Thanks
Bayes can you please say what is wrong here?
I understand L3. The trigger is a underrepresented single to become double.
But L2 and L4 are behaving weird.
Sometimes software resets on a underrepresented double (of course the pattern is fixed), sometimes on something different. I am attaching 2 different resets just when they happened.
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Also on your screen the program is called "RTM tracker", here it is PnF Tracker. Is that same version?
Cheers
Drazen
@Bayes or @Drazen
can you please explain how this software work ?
o track when to place chip etc
thank you very mutch
best fron France [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]
This is how i see it.
The entering Points and exit Points.
You have 1000 singles and 500 two's and 250 or three's and so on.
Then when you see a serie of Three or larger you bet that a wave of large sereis will begin.
But then can also include series of two's and one isolated single.
Because the exit Point is two singles.
So a dominant chart can look like this.
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Singles start with one isolated single to show and can become a wave of singles.
Then signles and series of two's wins and break even.
That is how you start from the beginning of each dominant wave.
(one alternativ is to also attack after a series of two's but then you will face more variance)
The exit Point is a serie of Three or higher.
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That is how i got the result above.
I also test to bet both.
But i prefer to aim for singles as i feel you get more advantage that way and it's a great feeling sitting out large series when they chop, just observe with out betting.
But same way goes no matter what you play.
The thing is that is as many series as singles and is a great feeling see how they come in Waves as i describe above.
Cheers
Advance:
Let assume you only follow one dominant - one colour - for example black.
Then you get less variance and fluctation.
You capture two demension of the random flow.
The first dimension is singles as we know them.
The other dimension is that you will get one isolated serie as single event, not two series that shop after each other.
And both dimension will come as single event and as series of singles.
I will post some videos.
@sputik
thank you
Might want to try this with baccarat :
0 = Banker
x = Player
However you will probably need 3 or 4 scoresheets taped together to handle a chart with about 80 bac decisions
Also this method can be very, very subjective.
I notice something else - that if you look at longer strikes - then they end with a single or a serie of two - so that is a win or break even.
I test this and got pretty good results.
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Here is a losing session, i Think 20 units would be a nice loss limit.
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Well if you simply aim to bet on singles, it is the same as betting on R or B all the time, as those bets have same mathematical correlation. I don't understand how you think you will get significantly lower variance with that.
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on May 12, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
Well if you simply aim to bet on singles, it is the same as betting on R or B all the time, as those bets have same mathematical correlation. I don't understand how you think you will get significantly lower variance with that.
Cheers
I test betting red and black all the time - but i could not get same results - i gave up after 300 trails.
Maybe i was unlucky.
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