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[Rinzler]

To a certain degree that IS actually true.

We are what we are, genetic enhancement, etc, or not.

Systems w/i systems.

[RTB]

I agree with much of what has been said so far. However, lets think about Tools & Strategies instead of systems for a moment.

Systems are very specific, rigid ways of playing. Everyone has their own and they tend to get dismissed the moment they lose money.
Strategies on the other hand are more generally defined i.e. Hunting for "L" in WL patterns or other opportunities.  The goal is always
the same in a strategy, we can however get there in different ways. This means we don't have to rigidly make that same bet every time
condition 'X' happens. We can search for the right opportunity then decide if the conditions (bankroll, win or loss streak etc) warrant a bet.

Strategies allow many players to play the same general way, for the same goal, each being able to tweak their style and share results.

I have an idea... What if we had a library of Software Tools which reflected everyone's style of play/strategy. They would be generic enough so
many people could use them in slightly different ways. The free software on here I've seen is VERY specific to a single play style/system. This makes
it useful for the person who created it but not much else.

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the efforts of my fellow coders here. It's just that we need an overall system which everyone regardless of coding skills
can contribute to, and benefit from.

I've coded tools & trackers for myself and others before in support of strategy play. I'm willing to code tools for some money. Here's how I can see it working:

I charge a flat fee per tool/job, based on the amount of work. It would be significantly less than the costs of a custom bot (which I don't really do).
Let's say $25-50 per tool. (I've seen bots quoted from $150-250).

That tool would be made available for download on an external website (which I would run & pay for). Anyone else would have access to the tool for a small fee. The original purchaser
would obviously have access for no additional cost. However they would get free access to any OTHER tools on the site as well, FOR LIFE. That way they aren't just fronting the
cost of their tool for everyone else. They are paying once and getting access to MANY tools. Could also offer incentives for people who contribute more than once.

Anyone who wants to just use the tools can do so at a minimal cost say, $5 monthly membership. That gives the people paying for coding an incentive to contribute good ideas
and a low cost to access the tools for everyone else.

This is just an idea, not set in stone. Let me know what you think.
I've attached some of my previous work as an example.

Cheers,
RTB

[wannawin]

What I believe "wannawin" would rather have is a compilation of system plays that people actually USE.

A library of every system under the sun. No more criteria than it has been published previously.

Who says what is good and what not? The gold system for a player is the trash system to the other. The idea would be that it is the player who has the freedom of choice, so he does not have to go through all the forums and topic searching endlessly on the websites for all systems by a user or for all systems for dozens. Better to have all condensed into a raging database. All systems previously published using a single search interface. That would be the worthy goal.

[wannawin]

I have an idea... What if we had a library of Software Tools which reflected everyone's style of play/strategy. They would be generic enough so
many people could use them in slightly different ways.

I like the idea. Apparently here you have a similar idea with the betsoftware program. If I understood correctly it is a mixture of given away software and payment software. Well, it is my understanding. I still do not have it very clear.

Your idea is a good idea even if it only serves to create competition and that the new software will remove the lethargy of others. If there is competition the winners are the users. Go ahead to develop this proposition. I hope you have better reception than the rouletteplayer.net effort.

rouletteplayer was a promising attempt but seems it fell in lethargy too. Even bastions like roulette xtreme added new features to the step of a rheumatic turtle in much of the recent time. We need more action to maintain the flow of gambling programs in good shape. Receive encouragement from here.

I deeply miss the days of yore when systems developers such as turbogenius and old forum programmers were active and working together. They were really a bulwark. Greetings and much success to you.

[Rinzler]

... a compilation of system plays that people actually USE.

Ha, well no, we aren't in the habit of giving away manuals for junior (free) members to test. They have already been fully tested and vetted by many qualified experts and we already know that they work and many private members are already making a good living from these manuals.

I am not at all suprised to learn that you are not doing so well with what you have been able to glean from the public forum. Winning is not that easy and you need the skills taught on the private forums. Correct, biases do not always last forever and often change and you need to learn how to cope with that and how to win anyway. That is what the private forums are all about and why people join them.

However, we are starting a new program that will be of interest to you:

Public members will be invited to play on line with us recommending your plays. You are free to play your money however you want and at whatever stakes you want. But down in a corner of your screen we will be telling you how we would play your shoe. You can follow our advice or not, as you choose. But at the end of the shoe you can compare your score to ours. It won't take long for you to see for yourself that you would have been better off to follow our play. Whatever money you win following our play is yours to keep.

Now, of course recognize that we are not going to keep doing this forever. At some point you will be asked to join the private foum. Then, as a private member you can keep following our lead while you are learning how to play.

But it is a way for you to prove to yourself that our play is a whole lot better than your play BEFORE you join the private forum - which is exactly what you were trying to do in the first place. No other site offers such proof.

We put our money where our mouth is.

http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8251

Not by telling us what to bet!  Especially when any up-as-lose progression will make you a winner 97% of the time over the short-term.

[Rinzler]

Strategies on the other hand are more generally defined i.e. Hunting for "L" in WL patterns or other opportunities.  The goal is always the same in a strategy, we can however get there in different ways.

[wannawin]

In the end will we be able to make a database assisted by members of this forum? I can put systems but obviously it needs the support of everyone to flourish the database contents. If the staff gives approval then this website will have many more visitors. With a good system of labeling and good search page the systems in this database will attract much more than if the user has to search through all the forums manually one by one.

Its creation was approved YES or NO? Thank you.

[VLS]

In the end will we be able to make a database assisted by members of this forum?
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Its creation was approved YES or NO? Thank you.

Walter, you know I'm most-willing to implement anything in favor of our community.

I'd be totally willing and glad to open such a database for fellow members to use and enjoy in full. Now, please understand; what I can't -really can't- do at this time is making a commitment to maintaining it (i.e. browsing actively through every system, rating them, do constant proofreading / editing, etc.) my plate's full as it is.

I have a nighttime shift already for trying to make our BetSoftware and other tech projects be what they can be in favor of this community.

Please notice this isn't a "NO"; this is a: no problem in opening/implementing the database, as well as its accessory search utility; yet in all honesty can't commit to monitoring it at the required rate in order to achieve the level fellow members deserve to enjoy such a compilation completely.



OK, now onto the bright side. My humble offer:

- Building the database schema in a most-portable format such as sqlite, for members to download to their computer easily.

- Hosting the most up-to-date version here at our server with a web-based search utility for looking it up online.

- Building a (very) simple pre-moderation mechanism for anyone who is designed the curator of the database to use. A simple approve / edit / delete page. Nothing fancy.

- After creating the schema and related utilities, my work stops there. My further involvement would be only to add features / update the related utilities, time permitting of course.



I'm speaking clearly to you as I know you appreciate. The ball's in your court now 

Cheers!
Vic