Now we aim to play singles and series of two and series of three and higher.
Series of three and higher is the same group or categorie.
Now if you playing on rolling basis then your first bet is to follow the last hit and when you have two hits you follow the latest two.
When you get three uniq hits you will have three loses and then continue to follow the last two.
You will most of times win within 6 attempts if you play on a rolling basis as 6 alternating with 1 in 3 probability is very rare.
Or you can start playing after three alternating.
If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.
1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep
Here is one example playing on rolling basis:
2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
2
1 L
1 L
1 L
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1
1 W
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
1
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
2
I made a short test to see how it would work using flat betting - it hold up pretty good and handle fluctation very well.
Can say that this march is better then the common ones like FTL and DBL and so on.
The reason is that you play the most dominate side at all times, just like two dozen/columns - the fluctation here is when they alternate - i reckon 111 222 333 444 would handle bad strikes pretty well.
This is the first time i come up with a bet selection that hovering around 50/50 and very ofthen strikes above 50% which make it working with a smoth progression to coup with bad strikes.
it's a grinder.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/64gnd0.png)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2hmetjc.png)
https://youtu.be/BaZTS3arorc
It looks very good, but do not fully understand betselection ,when we bet and when not to.
Ok I think I've understand.
Quote from: ozon on January 26, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
It looks very good, but do not fully understand betselection ,when we bet and when not to.
Ok I think I've understand.
I'm quite confused on the bet selection. Can someone explain it please...including suitable MM.
Thanks
Amazing how effective this march is - i post some results so you can understand the betting.
Todays random org file.
1
2
2 L 1 -1
2
2
2
1
2 W 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2
1
1 L 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2
2 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2
2 L 1 -1
1 L 1 -2
2 L 1 -3
1 W 1 -2
2 W 1 -1
1 W 1 +0
2 W 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1
1
2
2 L 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2
1
2 W 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
1 W 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1
1
2
2 L 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1
2 W 1 +14
2 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
2 W 1 +15
2 L 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
2 W 1 +16
1 W 1 +17
1 L 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
2
1 W 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
1 W 1 +16
2
1 W 1 +17
2 W 1 +18
1 W 1 +19
2 W 1 +20
1 W 1 +21
2 W 1 +22
2 L 1 +21
2 W 1 +22
2
1
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
2
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
2 L
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
1 L
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
1 L
1 W
2
2 L
2 W
2
1
1 L
2 L
2 W
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
2 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
2 L
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2
1
2 L
2 L
2 W
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 W
2
1
1 L
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
2
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
2 W
1
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
1
1
2
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 W
1 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2
1 W
1 L
1 W
1
2
2 L
2 W
1
2 W
1 W
2 W
Thanks
I wish i understood it
Maybe you can take some time to explain the bet selection in detail?
Please
Thanks sputnik
Sounds familiar ;)
as.
The sputnik should use the parlay style with those loss/wins cluster, hey hey!
Now i will show you have dozen dominate and why this march most of times succés.
You will see for example dozen 1&2 strike for 789 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 times in a row or it could be dozen 2&3
I illustrate this as follows:
1. Singles is dozen 1
2. Series of two is dozen 2
3. Series of Three and higher is dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 5 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 7 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 8 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 4 times
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3 - strike 8 times
1
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 3 times
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 4 times
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 13 times
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2 - strike 6 times
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2 - strike 9 times
2
1 dozen 1 - strike 2 times
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1 - strike 6 times
2
I challange any one to try to come up with a march that win more then my solution - it is Amazing how effective it is.
Here is two solutions following the random path with 1 in 3 probability.
The first march:
You see dozen 1 you play dozen 1.
You have dozen 1 and 2 you play dozen 1 and 2.
You always follow the last hitting dozen and play against dozen to alternate 123.
Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.
I test the second march flat betting:
(http://i65.tinypic.com/qx3os3.jpg)
With the first march i have used 111 - 122 - 136 and so on to deal with variance and fluctation.
That is with the first march.
With the second march i have used 11 - 12 - 23 and so on to deal with variance and fluctation.
I end up with +20 units testing 300 random trails.
This is how it looks like playing the second march:
https://youtu.be/oCigi8kh7H8
eh??? I do not understand, Sputnik.
You talk about dozens and your video shows betting R and B!!!
Bit perplexed ???
A.
Atlantis,
Sputnik means,
Dozen1 mean single.
dz2 mean series of 2.
dz3 mean series of 3, and more.
Thus B,P,B MEAN dozen1,dz1,dz1.
bb,pp,bb mean dz2,dz2,dz2.
bbb,pppp,bbb,ppppppp mean dz3.dz3,dz3,dz3.
pbp,ppbb,ppppbbbppppp mean 111,22,333.
Sputnik,
As we already know.
single vs series=50% minus green.
single 50%>series2 50%>series3 50%> series 4 so on.
So some time u win, sometime u lose if u flatbet.
The only way to win, if because march is quite stable in long run.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 01, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Atlantis,
Sputnik means,
Dozen1 mean single.
dz2 mean series of 2.
dz3 mean series of 3, and more.
Thus B,P,B MEAN dozen1,dz1,dz1.
bb,pp,bb mean dz2,dz2,dz2.
bbb,pppp,bbb,ppppppp mean dz3.dz3,dz3,dz3.
pbp,ppbb,ppppbbbppppp mean 111,22,333.
Im a little slow. Can you play this baccarat shoe and show me the results please?
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 01, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Atlantis,
Sputnik means,
Dozen1 mean single.
dz2 mean series of 2.
dz3 mean series of 3, and more.
Thus B,P,B MEAN dozen1,dz1,dz1.
bb,pp,bb mean dz2,dz2,dz2.
bbb,pppp,bbb,ppppppp mean dz3.dz3,dz3,dz3.
pbp,ppbb,ppppbbbppppp mean 111,22,333.
Ah! I see.
Thanks BTW/PA for helping me to understand it! :)
A.
Hey Atlantis,enjoy a lot of your expertise over the years. How about your take on this one,maybe a illustration would be great. :applause:
Gentlemen,
Single vs series, will have 50/50 minus edge,
just like betting P/B, or any EC game.
Sputnik, try to bet
single, vs series of two, vs series of three.
p/b/p/b=single/single/single/
pp/bb/pp/bb=series2/series2/series2
ppp/bbbb/ppppp=series3/series3/
[three repeat, and/or more=series3]
Sputnik believe that single vs series2 vs series3,
have the same probability as DOZEN bet!
Thus he believe that , betting dozen one two three,
same as betting single vs series2,vs series 3.
Thus he believe...
that the chances of
dozen 1/dozen2/dozen3, permutation=
123=33%, minus edge.
he believe that
the chance of
single/series[123123] permutation,
all three hit twice in six spins,
same as
[dz1,dz2,dz3,dz1,dz2,dz3],permutation
three different dozens, each hit twice,
in six spins,
Thus he believe when
single 1 and series3 hit,
then the chances of series 2,
will less likely.
eg.
pbpb=single, then
ppp=series 3, then
b=he believe, b will not become series,
thus he will bet that it will not repeat.
if it repeat, then he bet it will become 'series three'.
as series2 hit will less.
==============================
eg
pbpb/ppp/b
pbpb/single
ppp/ series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
p-damn! lose
==============================
pbpb/=single
ppp/ =series3.
b-new hit, bet will not series2.
b-oops! become series2, bet will series 3.
b-win! become series3!
thus single/series3/series3.=no win, no loss,
as he try to catch the SINGLE MARCH!
eg pbpbpbpbpbpb...where the Majority OF PROFIT COME!
thus if single/series3/series2=LOSE!
============
My thinking is,
u will win/ and will lose, if u play flat.
but the chart line of profit/loss, will
oscillating up and down like a stable wave,
thus u need a mild progression,
and variance avoidance strategy to win,
which Sputnik realized, and keep close to his chest.
Beat The Wheel,thank you, that is much better. Your examples are very clear. :applause:
Thanks for good explination, i will copy it and post it at rouletteforum cc ...
Cheers
@ patrick thank for this powerful method really
@beat the wheel thank you for those explainations
I just logged on to say the same as RouletteFan and he beat me to it. :)
Thank you Sputnik for the idea and P.A. for the explanation. It is an interesting concept which I never really thought about before and I think could be developed further.
cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on January 07, 2016, 10:36:02 AM
Now we aim to play singles and series of two and series of three and higher.
Series of three and higher is the same group or categorie.
Now if you playing on rolling basis then your first bet is to follow the last hit and when you have two hits you follow the latest two.
When you get three uniq hits you will have three loses and then continue to follow the last two.
You will most of times win within 6 attempts if you play on a rolling basis as 6 alternating with 1 in 3 probability is very rare.
Or you can start playing after three alternating.
If you can come up with other ways to follow the domination, then feel free to create your own triggers.
1) Playing after three alternating
2) Playing on a rolling basis
3) Playing after one combination fall into sleep
Here Sputnik means, that ,
bet single1, series2, series3, won't happen together.
eg.
single1, =1
series2, =2
series3, =3
then he bet that 123,321,231,213...etc, will not happen in a rwo,
and when it happen, u bet THE LAST TWO,
meaning, you bet the last two hit.
eg.
123=three type of single&series2,&series3 had happened.
thus after 1,2,3, u bet the 2, and 3, will continue to hit,
thus u bet that 1 will not happen.
eg.
pbpbpbpb
ppppp
pp=
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
u see that the last TWO=series 2&series 3.
thus u bet that single 1, will not materialized.
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
[now u bet that b will not become single,
thus u bet it will repeat.
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
b...[u bet b, thus u win!]
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
P...[u bet b, thus u lose!]
Sputnik means,
1]THREE kind of single1,series2,series3, permutation,
will have less percentage of happening,
of course it will happen.
2]THREE kind of single1,series2,series3, permutation,
will have hardly happen TWICE ALTERNATELY.
eg.
123,1,2,3.
1
2
3,[bet 1&2=lose]
1,[bet 3&2=lose]
2,[bet 1&3=lose]
3,[bet 1&2=lose]
==========================
how to bet???
B
B
P
P=SERIES2
B=SINGLE1
P
P..SERIES2..
B=NEW HIT,BET WILL SINGLE,THUS BET P.[PREVIOUS=1&2]
B=LOSE, IT SERIES2 IN MAKING, BET WILL SERIES2, BET P.
B=LOSE, IT NOW SERIES3, STOP BET.
B
B
P NEW HIT,AS PREVIOUS=SERIES2&3, BET WILL 2.
B=BET P=LOSE, THUS PREVIOUS=1&3, BET won't 2
B=BET P=LOSE.NEXT BET WILL 3, AS PREVIOUS=1&3
B=BET B=WIN...AND SO ON
ALWAY BET 1,2,3 PERMUTATION,won't HIT IN ROW
Thanks kind comments.
I test the second march during 300 trails - the highest bet was 2 units - wow ...
I use this smooth progression 11 - 12 - 23 - and so on ...
Highest win was 6 units once and after that i break even several times and many times up 234 units several times - see video ...
Playing with La Partage Rule ... House Edge 1.35%
https://youtu.be/Sk1auM5CQjg
But your explination is half true as you bet on a Rolling basis - so you defince variance and flucation being 123.
So is simple when you start betting, you see single you bet single, you see series of two you bet series of two , you see series of Three you bet series of Three.
Now if you lose you first bet once, then you have two events, for example single and series of Three then you bet does two to strike.
So you win when series chop and you win when singles chop and when you get variance between you break even or get fluctation.
Quote
Here Sputnik means, that ,
bet single1, series2, series3, won't happen together.
eg.
single1, =1
series2, =2
series3, =3
then he bet that 123,321,231,213...etc, will not happen in a rwo,
and when it happen, u bet THE LAST TWO,
meaning, you bet the last two hit.
eg.
123=three type of single&series2,&series3 had happened.
thus after 1,2,3, u bet the 2, and 3, will continue to hit,
thus u bet that 1 will not happen.
eg.
pbpbpbpb
ppppp
pp=
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
u see that the last TWO=series 2&series 3.
thus u bet that single 1, will not materialized.
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
[now u bet that b will not become single,
thus u bet it will repeat.
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
b...[u bet b, thus u win!]
pbpbpbpb=singles of 1.
ppppp=series of 3
pp=series of 2.
b....now a NEW HIT, what will u bet???
P...[u bet b, thus u lose!]
Sputnik means,
1]THREE kind of single1,series2,series3, permutation,
will have less percentage of happening,
of course it will happen.
2]THREE kind of single1,series2,series3, permutation,
will have hardly happen TWICE ALTERNATELY.
eg.
123,1,2,3.
1
2
3,[bet 1&2=lose]
1,[bet 3&2=lose]
2,[bet 1&3=lose]
3,[bet 1&2=lose]
==========================
how to bet???
B
B
P
P=SERIES2
B=SINGLE1
P
P..SERIES2..
B=NEW HIT,BET WILL SINGLE,THUS BET P.[PREVIOUS=1&2]
B=LOSE, IT SERIES2 IN MAKING, BET WILL SERIES2, BET P.
B=LOSE, IT NOW SERIES3, STOP BET.
B
B
P NEW HIT,AS PREVIOUS=SERIES2&3, BET WILL 2.
B=BET P=LOSE, THUS PREVIOUS=1&3, BET won't 2
B=BET P=LOSE.NEXT BET WILL 3, AS PREVIOUS=1&3
B=BET B=WIN...AND SO ON
ALWAY BET 1,2,3 PERMUTATION,won't HIT IN ROW
Gentlemen,
and.
Hi Sputnik...
----------------------------
If we aim to bet only single1 and series2.
p
b=bet will single
b=lose=-1, thus bet will series2
b=lose=-1,=-2, become series3.
------------------------------------------------
p
b=bet will single
b=lose=-1, thus bet will series2
p=win=1=0..become series2.
thus we see that when win=0!
when lose=-2!
=============================
If we aim to bet only single1 and series3...
p
b=bet will single
b=lose=-1, thus bet will series3
b=win=1=0...become series3.
----------------------
p
b=bet will single
b=lose=-1, thus bet will series3
p=lose=-1=-2, become series2.
thus we see that when win=0!
when lose=-2!
=============================
But we understand that,
single1=50%>series2>series3&more
after long spins, say hundreds spins...
IN 100 FIGURES,
SINGLE1 WILL AROUND 50.
series2 will around 25
series3,&more will around 25.
thus the single1 form the majority,
betting series2, and /or series3,
just breakeven...the single winning,
or losing/depleting the single run profits!
thus to win we must try to catch the SINGLE march!
And the series2&3, are just trying to outdo each other.
Thus in long term, we will just...breakeven???
with little win, or losses???
Or am I wrong somewhere???
Please make your view.
Thanks.
Hi sputnik and beat the wheel,
To let you know:
In 64 spins the ideal expectation of the doublesides of all 3 EC's (6 EC's) forming a series of 2 ONLY is 24
In 64 spins the ideal expectation of the doublesides of all 3 EC's (6 EC's) forming a series of MORE THAN 2 is 24 too.
In 64 spins then the expectation for unique SINGLES that cannot form part of any of above EC series is therefore: 16.
So in 64 spins the expectation betting ONCE after series of 2 to form 3 - or betting ONCE on the OPPOSITE after a series of 2 is:
Win/Loss RATIO is: 24w / 40L
24 wins out of 64 spins expressed as a percentage = 37.5%
(For block of 128 spins - just double the w/l ratio eg: 48w / 80L; percentage is same for 128 spins = 37.5%)
I just ran 64 random numbers into RX and these are the stats for the 6 EC's:
LOW - 4 hits of series of 2; 5 hits of series of more than 2
HIGH - 3 hits of series of 2; 4 hits of series of more than 2
TOTAL SERIES ON HIGH/LOW IN 64 spins = 16 (7 series of 2; 9 series of more than 2)
16 hits total series for both sides of ONE EC is average %expectation of 16 hits
================================================
RED - 1 hit on series of 2; 6 hits of series of more than 2
BLACK - 5 hits on series of 2; 1 hit on series of more than 2
TOTAL SERIES ON RED BLACK IN 64 spins = 13 (6 series of 2; 7 series of more than 2)
13 hits total series for both sides of ONE EC is slightly under avg %expectation of 16 hits
================================================
ODD - 6 hits on series of 2; 2 hits on series of more than 2
EVEN - 5 hits on series of 2; 2 hits on series of more than 2
TOTAL SERIES ON ODD/EVEN IN 64 spins = 15 (11 series of 2; 4 series of more than 2)
15 hits total series for both sides of ONE EC is just under avg %expectation of 16 hits.
So if you're only going to bet AGAINST a series of 2 forming a series of 3 for ONE BET ONLY you get:
LOW/HIGH=7 hits
RED/BLACK=6 hits
ODD/EVEN=11 hits
Add 'em up and you get - surprise! 24 hits of series of 2 only in 64 spins!! (ideal/avg expectation)
That's 37.5%
These expectations are usually STABLE.
Now if you're only betting ONCE only on series of 2 to become three you get:
LOW/HIGH =9 hits
RED/BLACK =7 hits
ODD/EVEN=4 hits
Add 'em up and you get 22 hits of series of 3 or more! (not quite ideal - but nothing perfect!)
That's 34.375%
Can you see the math symmetry in this?
So you see we can EXPECT 24 hits on each series (series of 2 or 2+) in the frame span of 64 spins!
There will usually be about 16 unique singles in the 64 spins which cannot be made into a series of any of the EC's.
And usually about 48 total series.
24 (series of 2) + 24(series of more than 2) + 16(unique singles) = 64 spins
When there is significantly LESS THAN 24 series in a set of 64 spins then you have a VARIANCE to capitalize on
A.
Roulette players tend to be smarter than the baccarat counterpart...
as.
I give up - you don't have 25% series of Three, because you have series of four, five, six, seven and so on all winning as Three even if it is 20 in a row - so you have as many series as singles.
You wrong when you say you capitilaze on singles only.
If sereis of 2 and 3 and highet strike you get PP BBB PPPP BB PP BBB PPP BB PPPPP BBB and you win every bet WWWWWWWWW same as singles B P B P B P B P B P B P WWWWWWWW
So when the SD grow and singles chop you win and when SD grow and you get series to chop you win.
As stated singles contra series or series contra singles is 50/50 and can grow into imbalance and domanation in any direction.
But i if end up between you break even or get varaince and fluctation.
That is the basis for the first march.
So if you get singles and series of two you win and break even.
So if you get singles and series of Three you win and break even.
So if you get series of two and series of Three you win.
So if you get single you win.
And the same way reverse.
You lose when you get 123 Three uniq events or else win and break even.
But there is more strikes then just singles as you stated.
And again - when you clustering Three options and nothing else exist - Rule 1 - then you have the odds 1 in 3.
I like it Sputnik!
Surely this cries out for a 'bot' or sheet to be made. It could be programmed to show when and what to bet and how much to stake. Would be less stressful and help to prevent visual mistakes and human error...
A.
Question ??QuoteThat is the basis for the first march.
So if you get singles and series of two you win and break even.
So if you get singles and series of Three you win and break even.
So if you get series of two and series of Three you win.
So if you get single you win.
And the same way reverse.
You lose when you get 123 Three uniq events or else win and break even.
But there is more strikes then just singles as you stated.
And again - when you clustering Three options and nothing else exist - Rule 1 - then you have the odds 1 in 3.
Now if you playing on rolling basis then your first bet is to follow the last hit and when you have two hits you follow the latest two.
When you get three uniq hits you will have three loses and then continue to follow the last two.
You will most of times win within 6 attempts if you play on a rolling basis as 6 alternating with 1 in 3 probability is very rare.
Or you can start playing after three alternating.
???How Do You play this on rolling basis???
??? What rolling basis MeanS???X
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http://www.win-maxx.com/basics/basics27.html
Around 1920 the French roulette-researcher Henry Chateau analysed the relationship of singles and series for the even money chances in 56,534 ideal-spins and came to following results:
Roulette Systems
Chateau did not consider the appearance of 1,536 zeroes in this analysis. If you look careful at the above table, you can easily see that
1. the number of singles is double the number of series of 2
2. the number of series of 2 is double the number of series of 3
3. the number of series of 3 is double the number of series of 4 and so on.
The sum of the singles is approx. 25% of all spins.
Based on this analysis Chateau constructed a pyramid.
In this pyramid you can find the frequency of series:
- the columns in the table show the length of the series,
- the black numbers on the outer left show the numbers of appearances,
- the black numbers on the outer right show the number of spins needed to form the appearances.
The pink highlighted column shows for example, that 1 series of 6 is based on average on the appearance of 2 series of 5,
4 series of 4, 8 series of 3, 16 series of 2 and 32 singles.
128 spins are neccesary for the development of a series of 5.
single vs series=50%
single / series2 double>3>4>5>6>7..so on
at the end equilibrium, minus the zero.
thus in long run, u only win when/if, u avoid the variance,
or double up your bet after huge losses...
the profit/loss chart, in flatbet, will move like wave,
up and down, up and down, thus u bet like betting futures/stock.
get in when the wave move in oppisit direction...
BetJack i will play both march 1 & 2 this weekend at my local casino.
1) You can relax playing this method, because during one session you win and break even several times, so it easy to stop and start over without losing anything.
2) You only need a smooth progression to deal with variance and fluctation, for example 111 122 136 test your own solution and practice Before real play, so you know when to hold them or fold them.
3) Rolling basis means you walk up to a table and start tracking, if you get a single you play single and follow it. if you get a serie you follow it unil a loss.
When you have two events, for example singles and series of Three you follow does two, then you only can win and break even.
If you lose you will have Three different events in any combination, single and serie of two and serie of Three or higher 213 then you continue betting the last two, with this example 1 and 3 - that is playing on a Rolling basis.
4) I just show you how i define the odds 1 in 3 with no exeption, this means that your enemy or variance or fluctation is alternating events, so you can make a benchmark for you limit when using a smooth progression, for example 111 122 136 or even more, its up to you.
5) When you flat betting and still on + there is no need to increase the unit value, you only start raise your unit value if you are at -3 units, this is why you will experience most sessions floating between winnings and break even Points.
Cheers
Flat betting i would quit at +5.
I won 20 sessions with +5 units and lose once -18 units, pretty good, better then FTL and DBL as i can not get the same winning frequense.
X
O W 1 +1
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O
X
X L 1 +2
X L 1 +1
O
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
X W 1 +4
O W 1 +5
O L 1 +4
X L 1 +3
X L 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L 1 +2
X W 1 +3
O W 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
O W 1 +8
O L 1 +7
X W 1 +8
X L 1 +7
X L 1 +6
O
X L 1 +5
X L 1 +4
O L 1 +3
O L 1 +2
O L 1 +1
X
X W 1 +2
O
O W 1 +3
X
O L 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
I show you bad session with 3.0 SD - variance and fluctation.
You can hit 3.0 SD and still win using this march - 15 loses contra 2 wins.
Highest winning peak +9 units and biggest drawdown -9 units and highest placed bet size 6 units.
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2
2
1
2 W 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +4
1
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1
2
2 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2
2
1
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6 Negative variance and fluctation
1 L 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
1
2
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1
1 W 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1 L 1 -2
1 L 1 -3 You lose 111 and are at -3 units next is 122
1
2
2 L 1 -4
2 W 2 -2
1
1 L 1 -3
2 L 2 -5
1 L 2 -7 You lose 122 and are at -7 units next is 136 (15 loses contra 2 wins = 3.0 SD
2 W 1 -6
1 W 1 -5
1 L 1 -6
2 W 3 -3 You are at -3 units go back to 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1
1
2
2 L 2 -7 You are -7 units and next is 136
1 L 1 -8
1 W 3 -5
2 L 1 -6
1 L 3 -9
2 W 6 -3 You are -3 units and next is 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
2
1 W 2 -3
2 W 1 -2
2 L 1 -3
2 W 1 -2
2
2
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1
1 L 1 -3
1 W 1 -2
2
2 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1 W 2 -3
1
1
2
2 W 1 -2
1
1 W 1 -1
2
2 W 1 +0 You break even 29 loses and 17 wins
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2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1
I have tested tonight with real money. So far the result is good. What I noticed it is stress free. Don't have to think much. Just watch your MM.
Thanks Sputnik
Quote from: Garfield on February 03, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
I have tested tonight with real money. So far the result is good. What I noticed it is stress free. Don't have to think much. Just watch your MM.
Thanks Sputnik
Can we have some samples using B/P results in Baccarat.
Thanks,
Read the topic from beginning - the first original march is best.
I made a video for you where you can see 300 trails playing the game on a rollong basis.
It gets a bad start and we have to Place 2 units as our highest bet during 300 trails, just that is pretty Amazing.
The session peak at +9 units flat betting and during the 300 trails it break even several times, this means we had the oppertunity to quit playing several times in a row, this is why you can relax playing this way, if you have dicipline, then you can quit at +2,3,4 units, if not and you are in the hole then you stop when at even.
https://youtu.be/LbvOG8HuRNM
Quote from: Sputnik on February 03, 2016, 12:32:49 PM
I show you bad session with 3.0 SD - variance and fluctation.
You can hit 3.0 SD and still win using this march - 15 loses contra 2 wins.
Highest winning peak +9 units and biggest drawdown -9 units and highest placed bet size 6 units.
2 L 1 +6 Negative variance and fluctation
1 L 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
1
2
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 L 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1
1 W 1 +0
2 L 1 -1
1 L 1 -2
1 L 1 -3 You lose 111 and are at -3 units next is 122
1
2
2 L 1 -4
2 W 2 -2
1
1 L 1 -3
2 L 2 -5
1 L 2 -7 You lose 122 and are at -7 units next is 136 (15 loses contra 2 wins = 3.0 SD
2 W 1 -6
1 W 1 -5
1 L 1 -6
2 W 3 -3 You are at -3 units go back to 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1
1
2
2 L 2 -7 You are -7 units and next is 136
1 L 1 -8
1 W 3 -5
2 L 1 -6
1 L 3 -9
2 W 6 -3 You are -3 units and next is 122
1 W 1 -2
1 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
2
1 W 2 -3
2 W 1 -2
2 L 1 -3
2 W 1 -2
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 -3
1 W 1 -2
2
2 L 1 -3
1 L 2 -5
1 W 2 -3
1
1
2
2 W 1 -2
1
1 W 1 -1
2
2 W 1 +0 You break even 29 loses and 17 wins
if we bet only that variance spins.
The actual losses =-6,
the DD=-13,
Been testing this like crazy, shows a lot of promise, thanks Sputnik
Quote from: JamButtie on February 04, 2016, 05:51:13 PM
Been testing this like crazy, shows a lot of promise, thanks Sputnik
I understand why you test this like crazy - the march is Amazing and stable with winnings and break evens Points.
To be honest i have never seen any public march or bet selection that use smooth progression with succés.
I been using 111122136 or 111122233 or 111122246 and so on, most session i Place 2 units as highest bet during several shoes.
I have not solve the MM but i know i can use a smooth progression.
111
122 after this i Think 233 is the best choise ....
You can build your progression based upon this progression, but using a smoot latter.
For example
111
122
233
And so on ...
The original:
progression that is based on the "Philiberte" system found in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.
1-2-4
1-3-6
2-4-8
2-6-12
3-6-12
3-9-18
4-8-16
4-12-24
5-10-20
5-15-30
7-14-28
7-21-42
9-18-36
9-27-54
12-24-48
12-36-72
15-30-60
15-45-90
Sputnik,
I'm trying to understand your bet selection.
X
O W 1 +1
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O <-------Why did you stop betting
X
X L 1 +2
X L 1 +1
O
X W 1 +2 <--Why didn't bet O since series 2 and 3 dominating
O W 1 +3
X W 1 +4
O W 1 +5
O L 1 +4
X L 1 +3
X L 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L 1 +2
X W 1 +3
O W 1 +4 <--Why didn't bet X since series 2 dominating
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
O W 1 +8
O L 1 +7
X W 1 +8
X L 1 +7
X L 1 +6
O
X L 1 +5
X L 1 +4
O L 1 +3
O L 1 +2
O L 1 +1
X
X W 1 +2
O
O W 1 +3
X
O L 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
Bet selection very well explained and if it's valid, playing flat bet is perfect!
I disagree about suggested progressions:all smooth progressions represent an agony and a sure death.
More it's smooth more the total volume of the bets increases and the player pays a lot of tax(VIG)
Best progressions are violent(or flat bet if bet selection unbeatable,like said above!)
Wingoal 2 units,that's all.
It's true that a player can get them after 2 or 3 decisions.
Do a player enter a Casino for fun or for earning money?
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O W 1 +1
X W 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L<-------Why did you stop betting, because we don't know what the second event will be and we want to bet the two last events next.
X
X L 1 +2 <---- We got singles and series of two in the past, so first bet is to Catch single and we lose and the second bet is to Catch series of two and we lose.
X L 1 +1
O
X W 1 +2 <--Why didn't bet O since series 2 and 3 dominating, you are right and i am wrong, we should bet series to continue, so the first bet lose and the second bet wins (LW)
O W 1 +3
X W 1 +4
O W 1 +5
O L 1 +4
X L 1 +3
X L 1 +2
O W 1 +3
O L 1 +2
X W 1 +3
O W 1 +4 <--Why didn't bet X since series 2 dominating, becaue singles and series of two is the last two hitting events and they strike 13 times in a row.
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
O W 1 +8
O L 1 +7
X W 1 +8
X L 1 +7
X L 1 +6
O
X L 1 +5
X L 1 +4
O L 1 +3
O L 1 +2
O L 1 +1
X
X W 1 +2
O
O W 1 +3
X
O L 1 +4
X W 1 +5
O W 1 +6
X W 1 +7
This thread is Sputnik's March, but after reading it through I feel it should be called Sputnik's Capoeira!
^-^
Here is one example how you win flat betting or break even several times during 300 trails - todays random org file ...
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2 W 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
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2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1
1 W 1 +2
1
2
2 W 1 +3
1
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
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1 W 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
1
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
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1
1 W 1 +7
1
1
2
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2
1 W 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2
2
1
2 W 1 +9
1 W 1 +10
1 L 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
1 L 1 +7
2
2 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 L 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1
1
1
2
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1
2 W 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
2
2
2
2
1
1 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1
2
2 L 1 +1
1 L 1 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
1 W 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1
2
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
1
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2
1
1 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
1
1
2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1
1
2
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
2
2
1
1 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2
2 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 W 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
1 L 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
1
2
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2
1
1 L 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
1
2
2 W 1 +3
2
2
1
2 L 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
1 L 1 +2
2 L 1 +1
1 W 1 +2
1 L 1 +1
2 W 1 +2
1 W 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 W 1 +6
2 L 1 +5
1 W 1 +6
2 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
2 L 1 +8
1 W 1 +9
1 L 1 +8
2 W 1 +9
1 W 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12
2 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
2 W 1 +15
1 W 1 +16
1 L 1 +15
1 L 1 +14
2
2 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
2
2 W 1 +14
1
2 L 1 +13
2 L 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
1
2 W 1 +12
2 L 1 +11
The combination of 1-2-3 (in any order) followed by another 1-2-3 (in any order) is what you should be aware of. For sure the 1-2-3-1-2-3 will produce 6 LIAR
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The combination of 1-2-3 (in any order) followed by another 1-2-3 (in any order) is what you should be aware of. For sure the 1-2-3-1-2-3 will produce 6 LIAR
Yes and that is with the same odds and probability with dozen distribution where 6 alternating is pretty rare.
And we winning and break even when we strike 123456789 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 times in a row with 2 dozen hitting.
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1 dozen 3
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
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1 dozen 2
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 3
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2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
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1 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
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1 dozen 2
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2 dozen 2
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1 dozen 2
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 3
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1
1 dozen 3
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
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1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
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1
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2 dozen 2
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1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 3
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2 dozen 2
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1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
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1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
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1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
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1
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1
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1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 2
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2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
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1
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1 dozen 1
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1 dozen 3
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1
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2 dozen 3
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1 dozen 3
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2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
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1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3
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2
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2 dozen 3
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1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
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1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
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1 dozen 3
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1 dozen 2
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2 dozen 2
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2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
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2 dozen 1
2
1 2 3 in any order followed by another 1 2 3 in any order:probability 1,234%
Quite low but,IMHO not low enough for playing without stress.
Risk still there.....
Hi Sputnik and others,
Just to clear things up. How would you play this sequence of R/B results?
Start of sequence
b=black
r=red
b
b
b
r
r
r
r
b
r
r
b
r
b
r
r
r
0 (zero)
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b
end of sequence.
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: roversi13 on February 06, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
1 2 3 in any order followed by another 1 2 3 in any order:probability 1,234%
Quite low but,IMHO not low enough for playing without stress.
Risk still there.....
I am not sure if i follow you - because when i pick 300 trails from random org you get the even Money events with the odds 1 in 3 and they produce same distribution as dozen for 300 trails.
And if the odds is 1 in 3 and no other combination exist - then the probability should be same.
For example ...
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
2
2 dozen 2 <<<
1
2 dozen 1 <<< 5 in a row
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
1
1
1
2
2 dozen 2 <<< 3 in a row
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1
1 dozen 3 <<< 3 in a row
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3 <<<
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1 <<<
1 dozen 2 <<< 3 in a row
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3 <<<
2
1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<< 3 in a row
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3 <<<
2
1
1 dozen 2 <<<
2
1 dozen 1 <<< 3 in a row
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
Quote from: Atlantis on February 06, 2016, 04:16:57 PM
Hi Sputnik and others,
Just to clear things up. How would you play this sequence of R/B results?
Start of sequence
b=black
r=red
b
b
b
r
r
r
r
b
r
r
b
r
b
r
r
r
0 (zero)
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b
end of sequence.
Thanks,
A.
b
b
b
r
r W First event is a serie of Three and we play for a repeat.
r
r
b
r L Betting for series to continue to repat.
r L The last two events is single and series of 3 and higer, so we bet single.
b L The last two events is single and sereis of Three or higher we bet series of three
r W The last two events is single and sereis of two, so we bet single
b W
r W
r L
r L We bet the two last events, singles and series of two, so we bet series of two.
0 (zero)
b
b L We bet the two last events, singles and series of Three, we bet single
b W We bet the two last events, singles and sereis of Three, we bet series of three
r
b W We bet the last two events, singles and series of Three. we bet singles
r W
r L
b L We bet the last two events, singles and series of Three, we bet series of three
Sorry your answer not clear for me.
I try to say it again.
Example about roulette dozens(it's easier):probability three different dozens in a row 1/9(Zero not taken into account)
Probability "2 times " three different dozens in a row 1/9 x 1/9=1/81 or 1,234%
Probability a bit better than a 6 terms martingale (1,833%)
Hi sputnik,
OK. Thx very much for explanation and your examples.
I have now played 3 real money sessions in online casino - (low stake live autowheel + le partage returns for 0)
I am +9u profit (3x3u)
Flat bet with mild progression.
Easy to play once you understand it...
It's a nice method - so far! :thumbsup:
A.
@Atlantis
Can you explain how you have understand this march ?
and how you play it at the casino ?
despite of those 4 pages forum
many person here are still lost and they can't participate to this discussion
thank
P
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
B
P
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
B
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
B
anyone want to play this using sputniks method?
P
P
B
P x
B w
P w
P x
P x
P
P
P
P
P
B
B x
P x
B x
B x
B x
P
B w
B x
B w
B
B
B
P
P x
P w
P
P
P
B
P w
P x
P w
P
P
P
B
B x
P x
B x
P w
B w
B x
B x
P
P x
P w
B
B x
P x
P w
P
B
P x
P x
P w
P
P
P
P
B
We can also play the numbers
14
1
34
31
20
13
26
15
0
35
28
-- -- --
22
26
13
36
12 I think we won on the 12.
because we play: R E L
Sputnik, you confirm?
an other:
1
15
34
11
11
25
9
34
26 here, we play Black even low
6 win
Quote from: Atlantis on February 06, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Hi sputnik,
OK. Thx very much for explanation and your examples.
I have now played 3 real money sessions in online casino - (low stake live autowheel + le partage returns for 0)
I am +9u profit (3x3u)
Flat bet with mild progression.
Easy to play once you understand it...
It's a nice method - so far! :thumbsup:
A.
Nice Antlantis :-)
Now is time to take this amzing march to the next level - same method - but playing the Waves.
The principal is that you deal with three existing states/Waves with the odds 1 in 3.
You can play regular strategy use a static selection.
You can play for trending for domination, following different movements.
1) State one is when series chop after each other.
There has to be at least two series that chop after each other to be a valid state.
RRRBBB
BBRRRBBBRR
2) State two is when series of singles chop after each other.
There has to be at least two singles that chop after each other to be a valid state.
RBR
BRBRBBBRBRBR
3) State three is when you get one serie and one single alternating after each other.
There has to be no repeats and the series and singles outcome has to alternating once each.
BBBRBBBBRBB
RRRRBRRBRRRBRRR
I will try to illustrate this, so it become clear as water.
I will use comparison with dozen play that also is 1 in 3.
Lets begin with that the three dozen alternating and have one show each, like 123.
Now using even money bets and the three states/Waves,,, then it will look like this:
R
R
R
B
B
B State one, two series chop.
R
B
B
B State three, series and singles alternating.
R
B
R
B State two, serie of singles.
This is one advance opportunity to explore for trending for domination.
As you already know so can two dozen hit 5 10 15 20 25 30 times in a row when one dozen is at sleep with no appearance.
Its the same with this three states using even money bets.
The distribution based upon this observation is the same as dozen, 1 in 3.
Personally so do i like the idea trending for domination.
I will make a video to illustrate this game play.
Flat betting the Waves:
https://youtu.be/gBVGPfeYESY
Quote from: Sputnik on February 07, 2016, 09:12:26 AM
Now is time to take this amzing march to the next level - same method - but playing the Waves.
The principal is that you deal with three existing states/Waves with the odds 1 in 3.
You can play regular strategy use a static selection.
You can play for trending for domination, following different movements.
1) State one is when series chop after each other.
There has to be at least two series that chop after each other to be a valid state.
RRRBBB
BBRRRBBBRR
2) State two is when series of singles chop after each other.
There has to be at least two singles that chop after each other to be a valid state.
RBR
BRBRBBBRBRBR
3) State three is when you get one serie and one single alternating after each other.
There has to be no repeats and the series and singles outcome has to alternating once each.
BBBRBBBBRBB
RRRRBRRBRRRBRRR
I will try to illustrate this, so it become clear as water.
I will use comparison with dozen play that also is 1 in 3.
Lets begin with that the three dozen alternating and have one show each, like 123.
Now using even money bets and the three states/Waves,,, then it will look like this:
R
R
R
B
B
B State one, two series chop.
R
B
B
B State three, series and singles alternating.
R
B
R
B State two, serie of singles.
This is one advance opportunity to explore for trending for domination.
As you already know so can two dozen hit 5 10 15 20 25 30 times in a row when one dozen is at sleep with no appearance.
Its the same with this three states using even money bets.
The distribution based upon this observation is the same as dozen, 1 in 3.
Personally so do i like the idea trending for domination.
I will make a video to illustrate this game play.
I like this way of playing how many hands/spins would you recormend to look back for domanace/state waves?
Regards
malcop
Thank you for your explanations , Sputnik .
how much should states to establish a domination ?
Quote from: RouletteFan on February 06, 2016, 11:40:46 PM
@Atlantis
Can you explain how you have understand this march ?
and how you play it at the casino ?
despite of those 4 pages forum
many person here are still lost and they can't participate to this discussion
thank
I will try for you - (and ask Sputnik to confirm if right)
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
Sputnik says 1st bet we always follow previous series to repeat. It was a 3 or 3+ - so bet B to form series of 3
R L -1
From now on we start looking at last two completed series formed(3 and 1) and bet against series of 2 forming eg: B
B W +0
Last two completed series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against series of 2 forming eg: R
R W +1
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B W +2
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B L +1
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Previous 2 complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) happening - so we bet for treble to occur by betting for repeat of: B
B W +2
We won - now wait for B run to end and a change to occur first before continuing...
R
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: R
R W +4
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +5
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B L +4
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two established series already formed are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
R L +3
Red appeared and caused the formation of a double and a loss.
Last two complete series are now 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (series of 3) by betting: B
R L +2
Red has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two series completely formed are still 2 and 1 so now bet against treble (3) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two recorded complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble formation (3) by betting: R
B L +2
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (3) by betting: R
B L +1
The treble formed and we lost - so wait for B run to end and a new change to occur...
R
Now the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a Single (1) by betting for repeat of: R
R W +2
the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a single (1) by betting B
B W+3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single eg: B
B W +4
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
R L +3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
B L +2
1 and 2 are shown to have previously formed so now bet against a treble (3) eg: R
R W +3
Won - same thing 1 and 2 so now bet against a treble by betting eg: B
R L +2
Lost. 1 and 2 still qualify so now bet against a treble (3) eg: B
R L +1
The treble happened so we wait now to see when run ends for R. Wait for change to happen.
B
1 and 2 series were last to completely form therefore bet against series of 3. Bet R
R W +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet R
B L +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
Won because a B hit 3 times. Now wait for change of colour.
R
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to happen (2). Bet B
R L +2
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to completely form (2). Bet R to continue...
R W +3
Won - so wait for series 3/3+ to end before next bet
B
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
R W +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B W +5
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B L +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: B
B W +5
wait for B run to end..
R
Last 2 series are 3 and 1 - bet against 2 by placing bet on B
ETC.........
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 07, 2016, 11:28:13 AM
I will try for you - (and ask Sputnik to confirm if right)
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
Sputnik says 1st bet we always follow previous series to repeat. It was a 3 or 3+ - so bet B to form series of 3
R L -1
From now on we start looking at last two completed series formed(3 and 1) and bet against series of 2 forming eg: B
B W +0
Last two completed series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against series of 2 forming eg: R
R W +1
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B W +2
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B L +1
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Previous 2 complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) happening - so we bet for treble to occur by betting for repeat of: B
B W +2
We won - now wait for B run to end and a change to occur first before continuing...
R
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: R
R W +4
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +5
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B L +4
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two established series already formed are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
R L +3
Red appeared and caused the formation of a double and a loss.
Last two complete series are now 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (series of 3) by betting: B
R L +2
Red has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two series completely formed are still 2 and 1 so now bet against treble (3) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two recorded complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble formation (3) by betting: R
B L +2
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (3) by betting: R
B L +1
The treble formed and we lost - so wait for B run to end and a new change to occur...
R
Now the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a Single (1) by betting for repeat of: R
R W +2
the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a single (1) by betting B
B W+3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single eg: B
B W +4
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
R L +3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
B L +2
1 and 2 are shown to have previously formed so now bet against a treble (3) eg: R
R W +3
Won - same thing 1 and 2 so now bet against a treble by betting eg: B
R L +2
Lost. 1 and 2 still qualify so now bet against a treble (3) eg: B
R L +1
The treble happened so we wait now to see when run ends for R. Wait for change to happen.
B
1 and 2 series were last to completely form therefore bet against series of 3. Bet R
R W +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet R
B L +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
Won because a B hit 3 times. Now wait for change of colour.
R
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to happen (2). Bet B
R L +2
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to completely form (2). Bet R to continue...
R W +3
Won - so wait for series 3/3+ to end before next bet
B
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
R W +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B W +5
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B L +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: B
B W +5
wait for B run to end..
R
Last 2 series are 3 and 1 - bet against 2 by placing bet on R
ETC.........
A.
Thanks Atlantis for the detailed explanation.
Hoping for Sputnik to confirm.
IMO Atlantis has expalined it correctly. But I played for the 4th streaks to continue as for the chops. So you could catch the long dragon or chops. As for the new method need more study first.
@Sputnik
With the recent update, do we still played the last two state?
IMO this march also could be used in the derivative roads also.
Or else, with the same bs you are using now, you could use this march on your W/L registry.
W Series of 1
L
W
W Series of 2
L
L
L Series of 3
If you have W, bet with your current bs to "win" to form series of 2
This concepts have many ways of implementation.
It is also possible to reverse the process. (to play straight series)
no alternation dz1
one alternation dz2
two alternations and more. dz3
0 alter dz1
1alt dz2
2alt et + dz3
example random.org
1
1 dz1
0
1
0 dz3
0 dz1
1 L
0 W
1 dz3
1 dz1
1 dz1 W
0 L
1 dz3 W
1 dz1
1 dz1 W
0 L
1 dz3 W
1 dz1
1 dz1 W
1 dz1 W
0 dz2 L
0 dz1 L
0 dz1 W
0 dz1 W
0 dz1 W
1 L
0 L
To all asian players...Happy Chinesse New Year...Gong Xi Fat Cay...May the year of Fire Monkey bring us fortune and health...
IMO this march is based on idea that three unique events won't happen in a row.
Sputnik's original events were singles (series of 1), doubles (series of 2) and three of a kind++(series of 3).
But IMO you could determine YOUR own unique events, YOUR own number of events (could be three, four or more), YOUR own .....etc etc. Surely with every modification will bring some conditions.
Still the idea and thought is original, I give credit to Sputnik and respect him for this.
I liked this idea because of several reasons, the main reason because I don't need "special" or "customized" scorecard, and for me it's less stressfull. Also it's not that complicated as other system/method that has some condition (if like this than you should've done this etc etc).
Well, thx again @Sputnik's for this march.
I wonder how far this march could evolve.
The only tool we can take advantage from an almost 50/50 game is by assessing the strong imbalancements the game surely will provide sooner or later.
The worst mistake we can do is trying to get 'em within too short terms.
We can safely assume as hell that itlr certain patterns will prevail over the others, but we need the time to work in our favor, even if in the process we've lost some so called profitable spots while waiting.
We don't want to guess most of the time, we do want to guess a selected portion of the time.
as.
Great thread!!!
We have the theory.............now we need the testing to confirm.
Warning!!!...............this is the point where all other threads have derailed/failed with one of the following excuses :
#1 - "Just presenting this info........if you like it, test it yourself.......not going to hand it out on a silver platter"
#2 - "This is just an experiment..........I actually play another system successfully that is not public"
#3 - "That's private........I don't share my personal winning info on forums"
So there it is!!! Looking forward to finally seeing a winning system - Thanks Sputnik!!! :thumbsup:
@The Law
what you say is 100% correct
i know Suptnik from a long time he is a serious and cool roulette scientist
he his on all roulette forum for long time he will continue to explain his theorie and test
Spunick is a real player
i am also a real player with real money at the brick and mortar casino
and we have both understood that our enemy is the casino not the player
:thumbsup:
Roulette be like .... x 37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ
I did not reply yesterday as it was my Birsthday and i had a party.
Will get back with explination later today.
Cheers
I tested the T1wiesbaden yesterday
results : 10,5 (107 spins)
results with reverse system : 8,5
two can play together : +19
Quote from: Sputnik on February 08, 2016, 07:10:54 AM
I did not reply yesterday as it was my Birsthday and i had a party.
Will get back with explination later today.
Cheers
Happy Birthday buddy :applause:
Quote from: Atlantis on February 07, 2016, 11:28:13 AM
I will try for you - (and ask Sputnik to confirm if right)
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
Sputnik says 1st bet we always follow previous series to repeat. It was a 3 or 3+ - so bet B to form series of 3
R L -1
From now on we start looking at last two completed series formed(3 and 1) and bet against series of 2 forming eg: B
B W +0
Last two completed series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against series of 2 forming eg: R
R W +1
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B W +2
Last two complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) again eg: B
B L +1
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Previous 2 complete series are still 3 and 1 so now bet against double formation (2) happening - so we bet for treble to occur by betting for repeat of: B
B W +2
We won - now wait for B run to end and a change to occur first before continuing...
R
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: R
R W +4
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B W +5
Last two complete series forming are 3 and 1 so now bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
B L +4
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two established series already formed are 3 and 1 so now restart by placing bet against double (2) occurring eg: B
R L +3
Red appeared and caused the formation of a double and a loss.
Last two complete series are now 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (series of 3) by betting: B
R L +2
Red has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two series completely formed are still 2 and 1 so now bet against treble (3) occurring eg: B
B W +3
Last two recorded complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble formation (3) by betting: R
B L +2
Black has now hit twice and we do not know whether will continue or not so keep to same formula
Last two complete series are 2 and 1 so now bet against a treble (3) by betting: R
B L +1
The treble formed and we lost - so wait for B run to end and a new change to occur...
R
Now the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a Single (1) by betting for repeat of: R
R W +2
the Last two completed series are 2 and 3 so now bet against a single (1) by betting B
B W+3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single eg: B
B W +4
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
R L +3
2 and 3 are still the last to have formed completely so bet against a single (1) eg: B
B L +2
1 and 2 are shown to have previously formed so now bet against a treble (3) eg: R
R W +3
Won - same thing 1 and 2 so now bet against a treble by betting eg: B
R L +2
Lost. 1 and 2 still qualify so now bet against a treble (3) eg: B
R L +1
The treble happened so we wait now to see when run ends for R. Wait for change to happen.
B
1 and 2 series were last to completely form therefore bet against series of 3. Bet R
R W +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet R
B L +2
1 and 3 series were last to completely form therefore bet against (2). Bet B
B W +3
Won because a B hit 3 times. Now wait for change of colour.
R
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to happen (2). Bet B
R L +2
Last 2 series to form were 3 and 1 - so bet against series of 2 to completely form (2). Bet R to continue...
R W +3
Won - so wait for series 3/3+ to end before next bet
B
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
R W +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B W +5
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: R
B L +4
Last 2 series formed are 3 and 1 so bet against the 2 eg: B
B W +5
wait for B run to end..
R
Last 2 series are 3 and 1 - bet against 2 by placing bet on B
ETC.........
A.
Hi Atlantis . Great explanation about how to play Sputniks march. Can you please explain how you get the red highlighted line above. If you were playing to bet against the single would it be r instead of b. Can you explain why you went B. Thanks
I been thinking how to explain this in the best way and i will use dozen distribution with my example:
3
1 L follow dozen 3
1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
3 W follow dozen 1 and 3
1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
2 L follow dozen 1 and 2
1 W follow dozen 1 and 2
1 W follow dozen 1 and 2
2 W follow dozen 1 and 2
1 W follow dozen 1 and 2
3 L follow dozen 1 and 3
2 L follow dozen 3 and 2
2 W follow dozen 3 and 2
3 W follow dozen 3 and 2
2 W follow dozen 3 and 2
2 W follow dozen 3 and 2
1 L follow dozen 2 and 1
1 W follow dozen 2 and 1
2 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
Same with even Money bets.
Singles is dozen 1
Series of two is dozen 2
Series of Three and higher is dozen 3
And now same with even Money bets ...
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1 L play dozen 3
2 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
1 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
2 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
2 L follow dozen 1 and 3
2 dozen 3 W follow dozen 1 and 3
1
2 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
1 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
2 dozen 1 W follow dozen 1 and 3
2 dozen 2 L follow dozen 1 and 3
1 L follow dozen 1 and 2
1 dozen 2 L follow dozen 1 and 2
2 W follow dozen 1 and 2
2 L follow dozen 1 and 2
2 dozen 3 L follow dozen 1 and 2
1
1 W follow dozen 2 and 3
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2 W follow dozen 2 and 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
1
2
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
2
1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1
1 dozen 3
1
2
2
2 dozen 3
2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
2 dozen 1
1 dozen 1
1
1 dozen 3
2
2 dozen 2
1
1 dozen 2
2
2 dozen 2
1
2 dozen 1
2
2 dozen 3
1
2 dozen 1
2
Quote from: bean88188 on February 08, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
Hi Atlantis . Great explanation about how to play Sputniks march. Can you please explain how you get the red highlighted line above. If you were playing to bet against the single would it be r instead of b. Can you explain why you went B. Thanks
Quite right. Sorry for confusion. My recording error.... IMHO it should actually be a "NO BET" because you're betting with the previous 2 completed series which are series of 2 and series of 3 so you therefore must bet against it being a single 1... HOWEVER, a SERIES OF TWO reds has ALREADY formed so the next established series which will occur CANNOT EVER BE a single! (must be a 2, 3 or 3+)
What I have been doing in this instance is HOLD ON and WAIT FOR A CHANGE OF COLOUR.
(Btw, this is the only other instance of when I decide to wait and don't bet - the first is when I get a series of 3/3+ - as shown in the examples by Sputnik and myself with this second march)
I have 14/14 winning sessions now :)
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 08, 2016, 04:17:38 PM
Quite right. Sorry for confusion. My recording error.... IMHO it should actually be a "NO BET" because you're betting against the previous 2 completed series which are series of 2 and series of 3 so you therefore must bet against it being a 1... HOWEVER, a SERIES OF TWO reds has ALREADY formed so the next established series which will occur CANNOT EVER BE a single! (must be a 2, 3 or 3+)
What I have been doing in this instance is HOLD ON and WAIT FOR A CHANGE OF COLOUR.
(Btw, this is the only other instance of when I decide to wait and don't bet - the first is when I get a series of 3/3+ - as shown in the examples by Sputnik and myself with this second march)
I have 14/14 winning sessions now :)
A.
Hi Atlantis. Thanks for getting back so soon. You did a excellent job with your explanation and I was just unsure about that line. Thanks
Hi Atlantis/ Sputnik
Can you guys pls play the below game using this method? I did play the below game and it went deep into -ve mode..loss of -10.
BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBPPBBPPBPPBBBPBPBPP
BPPBBBBPBBPPPBPPPPBPPBBPPBBBBBPPBPB
Cheers - VJ
I notice new things using money management - i won using this line 111122233344 - i did not Think you could achive that - but with my march you sometime strike 20 times and above with two events hitting and you recoup all loses - when you get a bad session.
But you need to use the Money management like a ladder - move up and down.
You need to memorize each level base amount to know when to fall back one step or move up one step.
Still testing :-)
Quote from: Gambler on February 08, 2016, 04:52:52 PM
Hi Atlantis/ Sputnik
Can you guys pls play the below game using this method? I did play the below game and it went deep into -ve mode..loss of -10.
B
P
B W 1 +1
B L 1 +0
B
P
B W 1 +1
B L 1 +0
P L 1 -1
P L 1 -2
P L 1 -3
B
B W 1 -2
B
B
B
P
P W 1 -1
B
B W 1 +0
P
P W 1 +1
B
P L 1 +0
P L 1 -1
B W 1 +0
B L 1 -1
B L 1 -2
P
B L 1 -3
P W 1 -2
B W 1 -1
P W 1 +0
P L 1 -1
- - - - - - -
Here you got 7 alternating in a row 1231231 that has the same probability hitting 1 dozen for 7 times in row, very rare ...
That is 13 loses and 2 wins - that is 3.0 SD
B
P
P L 1 -1
B
B L 1 -2
B L 1 -3
B
P
B L 1 -4
B L 2 -6
P L 2 -8
P L 2 -10
P L 3 -13
B
P L 3 -16
P L 3 -19
P W 4 -15
P
B
P W 3 -12
P L 3 -15
B L 4 -19
B L 4 -23
P W 4 -19
P L 4 -23
B W 5 -18
B L 4 -23
B L 5 -28
B
B
P
P W 5 -23
B
P L 4 -27
B W -22
Cheers - VJ
I just ran across the same example that was posted above and I got the same exact thing except in 3 different places, marked below in BLUE
Could you please check to see if either one of us has made a mistake
B
P
B w
B x
B
P
B w
B x
P x
P x
P x
B
B w
B
B
B
P
P w
B
B w
P
P w
B
P x
P x
B w
B x
B x
P
B x
P w
B w
P w
P x
B x/
P w/
P x
B w/
B x
B x
B
P
B x
B x
P x
P x
P x
B
P x
P x
P w
P
B
P w
P x
B x
B x
P w
P x
B w
B x
B x
B
B
P
P w
B
P x
B w
You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............
Quote from: marinetech on February 08, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............
+1
as.
Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.
At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.
Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.
So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.
Quote from: marinetech on February 08, 2016, 09:30:35 PM
You will run into these type of shoes. You have to have the bankroll and the discipline to understand this! If not, gambling isn't your thing! You CANNOT win EVERY single shoe you come across, impossible. That's like a basketball player wondering why he missed a shot. You can't make every basket and you certainly cannot win every baccarat shoe. If you don't realize this by now you're in the wrong forum...............
I don't expect to win every show either and I know that's not a possibility. All I'm saying is the more deep it gets you to -be mode, the more difficult and time consuming it has to recover back. Did you look at the loss here? This is a real shoe I played in a live casino, unfortunately ended up real bad.
I'm a high roller and this kind of loss really matters, no matter what the method is.
Cheers - VJ
Quote from: Sputnik on February 08, 2016, 07:46:44 PM
My loss was -11 with flat betting and you got -22? any time you get into this kind of loss, your mind really changes and hence more pressure.
Anyways, thanks Sputnik
VJ
Quote from: Garfield on February 09, 2016, 01:37:16 AM
Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.
At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.
Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.
So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.
I agree on this and fully understand. I should have stopped play maybe when I was -3 or -4, wrong timing here, my bad.
All part of the game, anyways..
Cheers -VJ
Quote from: Gambler on February 09, 2016, 02:45:09 AM
I don't expect to win every show either and I know that's not a possibility. All I'm saying is the more deep it gets you to -be mode, the more difficult and time consuming it has to recover back. Did you look at the loss here? This is a real shoe I played in a live casino, unfortunately ended up real bad.
I'm a high roller and this kind of loss really matters, no matter what the method is.
Cheers - VJ
VJ,
I hope you're not the VJ that goes to the turning stone casino. If so, then I know you and I know you're a high roller and I also know you have lost millions up there! Otherwise, this is the internet and anyone can say they are a high roller. That really doesn't mean to much in all honesty. This forum doesn't care if you're black, white, brown, green, or purple, nor do they care about the limits you play at. We all care about one thing, grinding away and trying to make some money doing so and trying to find a way to beat a game consistently.
If you ended up -11 even at 1k a hand, that's -11k plus commission. If you're truly a high roller I would assume a loss like this wouldn't bother you in the slightest. VARIENCE happens. If it does, you're playing too big. I'm not trying to lecture you and I apologize if you take offense. Best of luck.
Quote from: marinetech on February 09, 2016, 04:14:18 AM
VJ,
I hope you're not the VJ that goes to the turning stone casino. If so, then I know you and I know you're a high roller and I also know you have lost millions up there! Otherwise, this is the internet and anyone can say they are a high roller. That really doesn't mean to much in all honesty. This forum doesn't care if you're black, white, brown, green, or purple, nor do they care about the limits you play at. We all care about one thing, grinding away and trying to make some money doing so and trying to find a way to beat a game consistently.
If you ended up -11 even at 1k a hand, that's -11k plus commission. If you're truly a high roller I would assume a loss like this wouldn't bother you in the slightest. VARIENCE happens. If it does, you're playing too big. I'm not trying to lecture you and I apologize if you take offense. Best of luck.
Mate - Losss is a losss, doesn't matter what color your chips are..you took my words in a wrong context.
I may not have lost millions, but its considerably big and I'm tired of losing.
All I wanted to put forward was that I got into a real bad game with this method, jst that I'm unlucky.
VJ
Quote from: Garfield on February 09, 2016, 01:37:16 AM
Please realize the fact that any combination of series 1-2-3 followed by the same 1-2-3 will produce 4-6 LIAR. Many examples with this kind of combo and they DO produce several LIAR.
At least with this march we KNOW what is the nemesis. There will be 1-2-3 combo in any shoes, just be cautious and manage your MM well. We could even apllied "pause" or changing table.
Will the 1-2-3 combo show up? Definitely YES. Will the entire shoe be 1-2-3 combo? It MIGHT, but IMO the percentage is small.
So, I expect to have more winning session than the losing one with this march, but there WILL be session where you lose 4,6 even 12 LIAR. Just call it off, then change shoe or quit playing.
Hi Garfield,
I know that MM is our personal choice. Just want to get your input on what MM will you use for this Bet Selection.
Thanks
You could explore Sputnik's. For me I used 1-1.5-2.5-3.5 -4.5-2 neg prog. Stop after that which mean I lost 15u with 6 LIAR. Lost half of my buy-in BR. Change table.
I must confess that IMHO this a nice method.
Nice doesn't mean winning method.
My first question when someone explains a strategy or a method is :" WHY DO YOU PLAY THIS WAY"?
Positive EV?Sure not!
Statistical advantage?I'm afraid not!
So,thanks Sputnik for your system,but I put it in the list of thousands nice but losing systems.
Quote from: roversi13 on February 09, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
I must confess that IMHO this a nice method.
Nice doesn't mean winning method.
My first question when someone explains a strategy or a method is :" WHY DO YOU PLAY THIS WAY"?
Positive EV?Sure not!
Statistical advantage?I'm afraid not!
So,thanks Sputnik for your system,but I put it in the list of thousands nice but losing systems.
I looked at the method briefly and am a bit confused on a couple of points so I got to spend more time trying to understand it.
I think what is important is to understand the "kind of shoe" this method likes and doesn't like. IOW, what is the nemesis? Garfield already said 123123 and lose 6IAR. I don't know the method to understand what pattern that is but the point is to look forward and know what you need to win the next few bets. If they don't happen it's time to look at the bias of the shoe and recognize a change up - maybe pause here or reduce unit size until you see the kind of pattern it does better in and try again. If that don't work maybe just cut your losses and move on to another shoe. Good shoes will come.
To me that's MM - not allowing yourself to get too deep in the hole whereas a "normal" or "average" win won't get you back in the game.
Quote from: Jimske on February 09, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
I looked at the method briefly and am a bit confused on a couple of points so I got to spend more time trying to understand it.
I think what is important is to understand the "kind of shoe" this method likes and doesn't like. IOW, what is the nemesis? Garfield already said 123123 and lose 6IAR. I don't know the method to understand what pattern that is but the point is to look forward and know what you need to win the next few bets. If they don't happen it's time to look at the bias of the shoe and recognize a change up - maybe pause here or reduce unit size until you see the kind of pattern it does better in and try again. If that don't work maybe just cut your losses and move on to another shoe. Good shoes will come.
To me that's MM - not allowing yourself to get too deep in the hole whereas a "normal" or "average" win won't get you back in the game.
Good point there Jim.
There's another aspect of my play I would like to share. Because now I don't use "customize" card as I used to be, I have more time to observe the shoe, the bias, the pattern (not only in the main road but also on the other 3 roads).
I have more time to think about what would I do next, whether winning or losing. Because no "mechanical" system to dictate me, I could stop my betting anytime I like, or keep on riding streaks/chops.
Have anyone notice this march is basically "trending" march? XcD once said he won often when "following" what the shoe is showing, rather than against it.
But this march really made me think "outside" the box. Being a "mechanical" player for a while, now I could recall the first time I played this game, not knowing anything, and make more money than when I have a "system"
Really, sometimes know too much could kill you.
Maybe I would vote for MM now rather than BS. LoL. MM + timing
Quote from: Garfield on February 09, 2016, 04:21:51 PM
Good point there Jim.
There's another aspect of my play I would like to share. Because now I don't use "customize" card as I used to be, I have more time to observe the shoe, the bias, the pattern (not only in the main road but also on the other 3 roads).
I have more time to think about what would I do next, whether winning or losing. Because no "mechanical" system to dictate me, I could stop my betting anytime I like, or keep on riding streaks/chops.
Have anyone notice this march is basically "trending" march? XcD once said he won often when "following" what the shoe is showing, rather than against it.
But this march really made me think "outside" the box. Being a "mechanical" player for a while, now I could recall the first time I played this game, not knowing anything, and make more money than when I have a "system"
Really, sometimes know too much could kill you.
@garfield
You made a very good point about thinking outside the box, I think learning to read what is going on at the table is the key, I know that is easier said than done.
Regards
malcop
I Close this topic now and hope that does who wanted to understand the march did that ...
My opinion is that 3.0 SD is not making this method a losing method as he would have recoup and break even with the right MM.
My biggest drawdown was six in a row 123123 and i recoup and break even.
I use the following line ...
111
122 when at - 3 start flat betting again
233 after winning Three times move back to 122
344 after winning Three times move back to 233
455 after winning Three times move back to 344
And so on ...
The line looks like this 1111222333444555 very similiar to Antlantis mild progression with the very near perfect system - should also mention that i have never seen any public working betselection with that kind of MM or smooth mild progression - my march is better then FTL and DBL or any other existing march.
Personally so have i never seen any public march that is as stable as mine and that can strike from 1 time up to 32 times in a row.
3.0 SD don't make your system lose ... i have many times break even after 3.0 SD and higher.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/11lj3uv.jpg)
Cheers
Look at this dozen system with same odds 1 in 3 with even Money bets.
I will define the worst and extreme for you.
March 3
1. 111 W
2. 112 W
3. 113 W
4. 121 LW
5. 131 LW
6. 211 LLW
7. 311 LLW
8. 123 LLL
9. 132 LLL
1. 222 W
2. 221 W
3. 223 W
4. 212 LW
5. 232 LW
6. 122 LLW
7. 322 LLW
8. 231 LLL
9. 213 LLL
1. 333 W
2. 331 W
3. 332 W
4. 313 LW
5. 323 LW
6. 311 LLW
7. 322 LLW
8. 312 LLL
9. 321 LLL
Singles is dozen 1
Series of two is dozen 2
Series of Three and higher is dozen 3
R
R
R
B Now we bet that the serie will repeat so we get the beginning of the dozen formation 333 or 331 or 332
R We lose and now we bet we will get a single so we get the dozen formation 311
R We lose and now we bet we will get a serie or Three with the dozen formation 313
B We lose and now we got Three uniq events with the dozen formation 312
This means that the clustering with even Money and dozen formation give us the odds 5 contra 1.
We aim for two event to repeat out of Three possibilitys with the odds 1 in 3.
The entering Points and exit Points are clear.
Won 17 attack out of 18 with Three attempts.
+1
-1
+0
+1
+0
+0
+0
+1
+0.5 (one zero hit)
+1
+0
+1
+1
-2 (two zeros hit)
+1
+0
-3
+1
This is betting for domination and the worst and extreme would be one full cycle with nine alternating patterns.
That means you have to build mild progression or agressive progression with nine clustering steps with Three attempts.
I will make a video later ...
Cheers
I really appreciate the fact that you share your discoveries and conclusions,it' so rare,but I'm afraid that you ignore some basics concerning probabilities.
- the three dozens have the same probability to hit,at ROULETTE
-your three dozens at BACCARAT(series of 1,of 2,of 3 and higher) have not the same probability to hit like at roulette
-any bet selection can't overcome the EV- and gives no advantage both at Roulette at Baccarat
-money management/progression can't overcome EV-,but it can make you win in the short term small amount of money,I agree,but not in long term.
-all systems,I confirm ALL systems about series and or patterns are losing systems.(Marigny,Spirkoff,Gardner,Duchaine,..and similar)
-SD 3 is rare,but if you spend four or five hours in a Casino with ten roulette/Baccarat tables you can see also 4 SD!
-the most famous systems about patterns(Marigny,that bets only after 3 SD) have been tested thousand times and it loses!
-i have listed these comments for not giving young and inexpert players illusions that can ruin them
I just want to add
I found two missing combinations
they need to become...
133 LLW ;233 LLW
Are these their answers...
P.s. Keep on working ...
There will always be people who do not like what you do
Experiment, all dozen methods work with even Money bets ...
The main idea is to take advantage of two hitting dozens/events with same strike ratio, which i have show is the case.
Clustering in the right way and you get the same distribution.
There is two ways, use red and black as they come or using Waves.
Cheers
123=L
------
121=W
122=W
==============
132=L
------
131=W
133=W
===========
213=L
---------
211=W
212=W
=========
231=L
---------
232=W
233=W
=======
312=L
--------
311=W
313=W
========
321=L
-----
322=W
323=W
===========
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 12, 2016, 03:02:27 PM
123=L
------
121=W
122=W
==============
132=L
------
131=W
133=W
===========
213=L
---------
211=W
212=W
=========
231=L
---------
232=W
233=W
=======
312=L
--------
311=W
313=W
========
321=L
-----
322=W
323=W
===========
Wow this one is good! Good job!
Gentlemen,
Personally,
I think,
Since the,
single1, will hit @50%,
compared to series2, and higher.
series2, will hit @50%,
compared to series3, and higher...
1=50%, than [series23456etc]
1=50%, than [series2=50% than s3456etc]
thus in 100figures.
single1=50 figures.
series2=25.
series3 and more=25
thus
bet s1+s2,
or s1+s3...
then the best way to bet is , to,
wait for single to formed,
then follow the single to streaks,
if lose, bet series2, then stop,
repeat.
But Sputnik insist that,
CLUSTERING will always occur,
[thus against the probability law,
but hey, who am I to dispute?]
thus we bet the last TWO events,
on rolling basis.
Thus ,
if marching of ..
12
13
21
23
31
32..
then we make a killing.
I tested Dr.Tom's and Alvin's (iplayforaliving) method tonight, with real money and I got busted using these two. So damn stupid. Should've know better.
It's official. I will never try their's again. Better study this march and explore it.
Quote from: Garfield on February 12, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
I tested Dr.Tom's and Alvin's (iplayforaliving) method tonight, with real money and I got busted using these two. So damn stupid. Should've know better.
It's official. I will never try their's again. Better study this march and explore it.
We spoke about this and agreed they are stuff! Stay far away from them scammers.
I Think i crack it - i will test Van Keelen Test - 1000 placed bet and net gain 100 units flat betting.
See you all soon ...
Cheers
I Want To Help ....
How Can I Help...
...
and
Let's The Force Be With You
Quote from: roversi13 on February 12, 2016, 09:27:48 AM
I really appreciate the fact that you share your discoveries and conclusions,it' so rare,but I'm afraid that you ignore some basics concerning probabilities.
- the three dozens have the same probability to hit,at ROULETTE
-your three dozens at BACCARAT(series of 1,of 2,of 3 and higher) have not the same probability to hit like at roulette
-any bet selection can't overcome the EV- and gives no advantage both at Roulette at Baccarat
-money management/progression can't overcome EV-,but it can make you win in the short term small amount of money,I agree,but not in long term.
-all systems,I confirm ALL systems about series and or patterns are losing systems.(Marigny,Spirkoff,Gardner,Duchaine,..and similar)
-SD 3 is rare,but if you spend four or five hours in a Casino with ten roulette/Baccarat tables you can see also 4 SD!
-the most famous systems about patterns(Marigny,that bets only after 3 SD) have been tested thousand times and it loses!
-i have listed these comments for not giving young and inexpert players illusions that can ruin them
At last!
A voice of reason.
I can not wait to find out next clues.
How the method works
Till now I've never know a method that could win twice in 1-2-3 combination (in any ways). IMO 1-2-3 combination is the hardest to deal with.
So just be cautious.
Someone had written, that his personal Arch Enemy is...
XoXXooXo
betjack....
this is not a bad sequence you have posted
XoXXooXo
it comes to +1 flat betting
Hello again
one more question?
Quote
1. 333 W
2. 331 W
3. 332 W
4. 313 LW
5. 323 LW
6. 311 LLW
7. 322 LLW
8. 312 LLL
9. 321 LLL
Quote
==========
321=L
-----
322=W
323=W
==========
This 123 combinations are what ?
State one ;State Two ; State three
or
singles ;series of two ; series of three and more
Quote
1) State one is when series chop after each other.
2) State two is when series of singles chop after each other.
3) State three is when you get one serie and one single alternating after each other.
which of the two they are ? "State" or "singles & series "
Hi Sputnik,
How did your test go? Like betjack I am looking forward to details of the new march idea and the video of it in operation.
btw, The second march is still going well for me. :)
A.
Antlantis i send you PM ...
Cheers
lots of variations coming out-I would love a video
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 12, 2016, 03:02:27 PM
123=L
------
121=W
122=W
==============
132=L
------
131=W
133=W
===========
213=L
---------
211=W
212=W
=========
231=L
---------
232=W
233=W
=======
312=L
--------
311=W
313=W
========
321=L
-----
322=W
323=W
===========
this is betting against a unique sequence
Sputnik, I really looking forward to hear new deatil of this march also.
Facing too many 1-2-3 combos too often.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on February 14, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
this is betting against a unique sequence
=====================
RouletteGhost,
you're right,
its the pinwheel,
By the way, RG,
I am P.A,
in the other forum.
No luck with the pw???
Still winning from your pw strategy? Eh?!
There seems a lot to learn ? Eh?!Huh?!
------------------------
Sputnik,
let me show you how to build a HG around the Sputnik March.
But don't tell anyone.
You immediately know how I bet the march!
Promise, don't publish the way...
No need to PM.
Gentlemen,
since SINGLE=50%,
and series2&3=50%,
thus we try to catch the single!
BUT, the debacle is when,
the double and triple DEPLETED the single's winning!!!
Thus I discover a way to bet the single and , avoid the series2&3!!!
========deleted=====
BEAT-THE-WHEEL
You know... how to captures FISH [ x x x x x x x fish]
I have no doubt....in you
Hi b-t-w/PA.
Seems good idea too !
A.
On paper every method looks good, but when it comes to real money nothing works...
Quote from: Sputnik on February 12, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
I Think i crack it - i will test Van Keelen Test - 1000 placed bet and net gain 100 units flat betting.
See you all soon ...
Cheers
I thought you had already cracked this ...did i over look any?
Hi PA/beat-the-wheel,
Please let me know if I understand your idea correctly with this example session on roulette red/black...
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
R
B w
R w
B w
B L
B
R
B
R w
B w
B L
R
R
B
B
B
R
R w
B
B w
R
B
R w
R L
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R
R
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 15, 2016, 07:27:35 AM
=====================
RouletteGhost,
you're right,
its the pinwheel,
By the way, RG,
I am P.A,
in the other forum.
No luck with the pw???
Still winning from your pw strategy? Eh?!
There seems a lot to learn ? Eh?!Huh?!
------------------------
yes i know who you are
I will not bring any animosity over to this forum.
I like ideas betting against a unique sequence such as 32 now bet 32, hoping a 1 doesn't show for a 321
i respect sputnik (and his other forum aliases)
i am here to learn
i just don't see how its productive to say "don't worry i won't post it" that's one of the reasons im away from the "other forum"
but i will not not not bring animosity here
have a good day PA
Quote from: RouletteGhost on February 16, 2016, 12:07:03 AM
yes i know who you are
I will not bring any animosity over to this forum.
I like ideas betting against a unique sequence such as 32 now bet 32, hoping a 1 doesn't show for a 321
i respect sputnik (and his other forum aliases)
i am here to learn
i just don't see how its productive to say "don't worry i won't post it" that's one of the reasons im away from the "other forum"
but i will not not not bring animosity here
have a good day PA
Couldnt agree more with you. One minute everything is in the open, the next, its behind closed doors! LOL! We all know why. It don't work. Simple.
Quote from: marinetech on February 16, 2016, 04:00:06 AM
Couldnt agree more with you. One minute everything is in the open, the next, its behind closed doors! LOL! We all know why. It don't work. Simple.
Maybe ...
I Better to stick to Martingales.
He always wins.....
as long as the casino is no limit ...
and I have unlimited money...
:P ( Joke )
Quote from: Sputnik on February 12, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
Singles is dozen 1
Series of two is dozen 2
Series of Three and higher is dozen 3
R
R
R
B Now we bet that the serie will repeat so we get the beginning of the dozen formation 333 or 331 or 332
R We lose and now we bet we will get a single so we get the dozen formation 311
R We lose and now we bet we will get a serie or Three with the dozen formation 313
B We lose and now we got Three uniq events with the dozen formation 312
This means that the clustering with even Money and dozen formation give us the odds 5 contra 1.
We aim for two event to repeat out of Three possibilitys with the odds 1 in 3.
?? is there Someone .... who understood that part ??
Hi Betjack,
Think of it like this below (Sputnik writes 'dozens' but means 'series')
Singles is series 1
Two repeats in a row is series 2
Three or higher the same in a row is series 3
R
R
R
B Now we bet that series 3 will repeat so we get the beginning of the series formation 3-3-3 or 3-3-1 or 3-3-2
R We lose and now have 3-1; we bet we will get a single so we get the dozen formation 3-1-1
R We lose and now we bet we will get a series or three with the series formation of 3-1-3
B We lose and now we got three unique events with the series formation 3-1-2
This means that the clustering with even money and series formation gives us the odds of 5/1.
We aim for two events to repeat out of three possibilities with the odds 1 in 3.
A.
Any new update or video about the march you try and use against Vankeelen test.
No new video or update - i try different ways to see if there is a difference with strike ratio.
Is up to each indiviudall to experiement - i share the basic idea and show how you can strike 123456789 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 ... 20 21 22 ... 32 times in a row with two dozen hitting.
the idea is good but the fact is that this is not working...you spend more than 3 to 5 hrs in real casino and you will know, which is kinda sad.
Hi Gambler,
Sorry to hear that.
Which way did you try? Sputnik's March 1,2 or 3?
Or did you try BEAT-THE-WHEEL'S way?
I am not sure of how to play the third march; am waiting to hear from BEAT-THE-WHEEL/PA. to tell me about his idea with my example I showed a few posts back... I am playing cautiously and winning with the second march!
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 16, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
Hi Gambler,
Sorry to hear that.
Which way did you try? Sputnik's March 1,2 or 3?
Or did you try BEAT-THE-WHEEL'S way?
I am not sure of how to play the third march; am waiting to hear from BEAT-THE-WHEEL/PA. to tell me about his idea with my example I showed a few posts back... I am playing cautiously and winning with the second march!
A.
Mate - Sputnik's idea is not working...123 shows up often and i got busted bcuz of it..not gonna try anymore..
BTW's idea kinda swings up and down...have to play very causiously like you said but its very stressful when you play with big money...
beat-the-wheel wrote:
"Thus I discover a way to bet the single and avoid the series 2 & 3!"
Quote from: Atlantis on February 15, 2016, 03:53:12 PM
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
B
R
B w
R w
B w
B L
B
R
B
R w
B w
B L
R
R
B
B
B
R
R w
B
B w
R
B
R w
R L
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R
R
R
B
R
B w
B L
B
R
Hi PA/beat-the-wheel,
Please let me know if I understand your idea correctly with the above example session on roulette red/black...
A.
Beat-The-Wheel wrote:
"A way to bet the single and avoid the series 2 & 3!"
if I am correct and we follow Sputnik idea of betting FOR the last 2 series that have formed to continue then it appears the logical rules would be these:
Record the EC series as they happen (1, 2 or 3)
Bet FOR THE SINGLE SERIES to continue after TWO chops eg: RB or BR - and only if last two series fully formed were 1 and 3 or 1 and 2. (in any order)
If win - continue betting for the chop (single) until a LOSS
If lose - STOP BETTING
AND
Bet AGAINST THE SINGLE SERIES for ONE TIME only - but only if the last two fully formed series were 2 and 3. (in any order)
Stop betting whether win or lose.
@X = bet against seriesX (either 1, 2 or 3)
B
2B
1R
1B @3
1R win @3 +1
B win @3 +2
B lose=stop +1
B
3B
R
2R
B @1
2B win=stop +2
1R
1B @3
R win @3 +3
2R lose=stop +2
1B
1R @3
B win @3 +3
2B lose=stop +2
1R
1B @3
R win @3 +3
R lose=stop +2
R
R
R
R
R
3R
B
B
3B
1R
1B @2
1R win @2 +3
B win @2 +4
2B lose=stop +3
1R
1B @3
1R win @3 +4
1B win @3 +5
1R win @3 +6
B win @3 +7
2B lose=stop +6
R
R
3R
B @1
B win=stop +7
3B
R
R
R
R
3R
B
2B
R @1
R win=stop +8
R
3R
B @1
B win=stop +9
3B
1R @1
B @2
2B lose=stop +8
R
This is nice and also working well for me. My target per game is +3u to +5u profit.
Flat betting, sometimes use mild progression. :)
Have fun,
Atlantis.
Hi Atlantis -
Can you play this using the new combined approach?
BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBPPBBPPBPPBBBPBPBPPBPPBBBBPBBPPPBPPPPBPPBBPPBBBBBPPBPB ...
It seems as if BEAT THE WHEEL has deleted his last post with the idea you are looking for ATLANTIS. Wonder why :drunk:
Wagering A and B vs C or any other order contemplating a "silent" third factor is interesting and we know that sooner or later we'll get a long sequence of positive situations.
This is a more sophisticated fashion to chase actual "trends", a strategy commonly utilized by the vast majority of bac players.
Unfortunately it won't get the player any edge, not even a so called "statistical control" over the outcomes.
No matter how good will be your arrangements based on such strategy, believe me, there's nothing that prevents a long series of unfortunate losing shoes or a long series of positive shoes after which we don't know what to do (hoping to get more positive outcomes after a given good deviation? waiting to get a positive balancement after a negative deviation?)
Imo every single hand is the product of well defined probabilities.
And most of the times any hand will be 50/50 placed, an unrandom world (even if limited by a finite card composition) where our efforts to guess A or B, or A and B vs C, or whatever, cannot get us any hint to know the next hand(s) side landing.
A perfect 50/50 game cannot be beaten by any means and the inventor of a method capable to negate this assumption doesn't need to play: he'll be rich just presenting his theories to the scientific world.
Imo it remains to study what, when and how will shift a perfect 50/50 game into a slight deviated system.
At least now we're working with the hypothesis that the system won't be always 50/50 placed, so we shouldn't care less about the "averages", as averages are working for the house.
Therefore Sputnik march of every other method must select the situations where some events must more likely happen by a mathematical reason, even if the "average" ratios will prescribe to be us long term losers.
as.
I agree with asymbacguy's comments.
@Gambler,
I flatbet the results you gave...
B
P
B
B
B
P
B
B lose-stop -1
P
P
P
B
B win-stop +0*
B
B
B
P
P win-stop +1*
B
B win-stop +2*
P
P win-stop +3*
B
P lose-stop +2
P
B
B
B
P
B lose-stop +1
P
B win +2
P win +3*
P lose-stop +2
B
P
P lose-stop +1
B
B
B
B
P
B lose-stop +0
B
P
P
P
B
P lose-stop -1
P
P
P
B
P
P lose-stop -2
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P win-stop -1
B
P
B last series was 2-1 followed by 2 chops (singles) so next bet would be = Player
A.
Atlantis - Thanks for the illustration. I got the same result as well..-2...
This is one of the toughest shoe with this method, and going down with a cpl of units is not bad..
@antlantis
hello
can you please explain again step by how you play ?
a lot of people over would to enter the discussion but they don't understand how to play
thank :thumbsup:
roulette fan ,what do you not understand ?
It is true that there atlantis contradictory attacks.
Missing attacks too.
Hi,
For clarification I wish BEAT-THE-WHEEL would come back on...
As BigEZ reports he has now deleted his example from this thread (WHY, I wonder??) and not as yet answered my request for confirmation on my example.
Basically method is same as Sputnik's second march detailed earlier with the modifications I showed in my last 2 examples
(follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" ONE TIME ONLY if last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order)
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series
series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak
example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
example 2
------------
r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP
A.
PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!
PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series
series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
------
r
r
b ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series be a 3 and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
Quote from: Tomla on February 21, 2016, 08:47:13 PM
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different series
series 1 = single
series 2 = streak of 2
series 3 = 3 or more streak
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
------
r
r
b ([atlantis-wouldn't the last two series be a 3 and a 3 requiring a bet for b here?)
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
Hi tomla,
It was two different examples I was showing there tomla - they were separate session unconnected "snippets"!
(I've now made that clear in the post)
But if they had been consecutive results then you are right the last 2 series would have been 3-3 - so you would need to go further back to get an earlier different series, which in that case would have been series 2; so you would arrive at 3-2.
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
Hope this helps,
A.
thanks atlantis--got ya
I take the same example
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
Quote from: plolp on February 22, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
I take the same example
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
r
r
b - last 2 series are 3-2 so bet against series 1
r - L-1 STOP ____________________________last 2 events are 1-3 so bet b
b____________________________________________________________W
r - last 2 series are 1-3 so bet against series 2_________________________W
r - L-1 STOP____________________________________________________L stop
b
r - last 2 series are 1-2 so bet against series 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
Hi plolp,
Yes- I have played that way also with success. But out of the two ways which of them is the right one? - and does it matter anyway?
We need beat-the-wheel to come on and give his view. Also I would value Sputnik opinion on the correct way.
My feeling is that the way I interpreted it from beat-the-wheel's now deleted example IS the right one. (The example he deleted in reply#129) I took care and spent time over that when I made the example in my reply#134 on page 9. But we'll only know for sure when he himself verifies it as being correct.
Thanks,
A.
Atlantis - What kind of MM you follow?. Flat betting or progression. If progression then what is your line?
here is the deleyed post from beat the wheel
hey why you participate to a forum and after you delay your post and you don't want to share anymore ???
Thus I discover a way to bet the single and , avoid the series2&3!!!
B
B -
P -SINGLE
B -SINGLE
P win -1st
B WIN -2nd
B=LOSE 1
B
B -
P
P -
B
B win -3rd
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P=WIN 4th
P =LOSE -2
B --SINGLE
P --SINGLE
B WIN 5th
B =LOSE -3
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P WIN 6th
P LOSE 4
P
P
P
P
P
P -
B
B
B -
P --SINGLE
B --SINGLE
P win -7th
B=LOSE 5
B -
P --SINGLE
B -SINGLE
P win -8
B win -9
P win -10
B WIN-11
B =LOSE -7
P
P
P -
B
B WIN 12
B -
P
P
P
P
P -
B
B -
P
P-WIN13
P
P -
B
B=WIN14
B -
P -
B
B =LOSE -8
P
Thanks Roulette Fan! And everyone else working on this.
Hi roulettefan,
Yes - that is the one. Thanks for reposting it. That does clear it up and answer my question then. :)
I checked it again and I am right. My example DOES adhere to same rules and match beat-the-wheel's way and does not include the extra betting that plolp showed/did...
The question remains as to why B-T-W deleted it - and at the moment we can only speculate.... ;)
Regards,
A.
Atlantis....
Is this how this shoe is played with BTW way
p
b
p w
p x
b
p
p x
p
p
p
p
p
b
p
p x
p
p
p
b
b
b
p
b x
b x
p
p
b
p x
p x
b
p
b w
b x
b
p
b
b x
p
b
b x
b
p
p
Atlantis - The most important way to capture single as per BTW is to bet after 2 chops...BP-> B, after 12, 13 series.
But i see in one of your exaples you didn't follow this way
Quote from: Gambler on February 22, 2016, 03:17:11 PM
Atlantis - The most important way to capture single as per BTW is to bet after 2 chops...BP-> B, after 12, 13 series.
But i see in one of your exaples you didn't follow this way
Agreed. I probably make mistake.
A.
Hi BigEZ,
I think this right:
P
B
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
P
P
P
B
B
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
P
B
P
P L-1 stop
B
P
B w+1
B L-1 stop
B
P
B
B L-1 stop
P
B
B L-1 stop
B
P
P
-6 flat.
Unlucky but maybe due for reversal of fortune?
As Gambler remarked a mild progression will be required at times:
gr8player
best of 5
penthouse
progressive cycles
some GLC ideas I cannot just think of right now...
Someone may care to share a good idea for staking plan that will suit this.
A.
This looks like a horrible shoe...when we see that we are going down by -2 to -3 straight away, i would suggest better STOP playing the shoe, else it will be hard to recover back.
Quote from: Gambler on February 22, 2016, 03:45:29 PM
This looks like a horrible shoe...when we see that we are going down by -2 to -3 straight away, i would suggest better STOP playing the shoe, else it will be hard to recover back.
Yes. I wonder if it is better on roulette? It's just, I mean the cards are shuffled and then they remain in a fixed state or sequence thereafter until the next shuffle; whereas each roulette wheelspin is an independent event and the upcoming result is not already set or predetermined like in the stack of cards that sit motionless and unaltered in the shoe.
I can't believe I just wrote that :D :D
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 22, 2016, 04:02:40 PM
Yes. I wonder if it is better on roulette? It's just, I mean the cards are shuffled and then they remain in a fixed state or sequence thereafter until the next shuffle; whereas each roulette wheelspin is an independent event and the upcoming result is not already set or predetermined like in the stack of cards that sit motionless and unaltered in the shoe.
I can't believe I just wrote that :D :D
A.
Well quite possible...I stopped playing roulette long back so, but in Baccarat if you go down straight away, then you will only go down deep if you continue to fight. I have been a victim many times but lessons learnt :)
Just out of interest here is BigEZ result using the Sputnik Second March way:
P
B
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
B
B L-1
B w+1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
P L-1
11 won
16 lost
-5 flat.
A.
Sputnik gone very quiet just of late.
Perhaps he is working hard still on the "waves" idea?
I still do not understand that one yet! ???
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 22, 2016, 04:24:05 PM
Just out of interest here is BigEZ result using the Sputnik Second March way:
P
B
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
P
P
B
P w+1
P L-1
P L-1
P
P
B
B L-1
B w+1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
P L-1
B w+1
P w+1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
B w+1
B L-1
P L-1
B w+1
B L-1
B L-1
P
P L-1
11 won
16 lost
-5 flat.
A.
This is how the 2nd march should look like using the rules that Sputnik has posted. Here are the rules also just to be clear....
Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.
p 1
b 1
p x -1
p 2 w 0
b 1
p w 1
p w 2
p
p
p
p
p 3
b 1
p w 3
p w 4
p
p
p 3
b
b x 3
b 3 x 2, now wait for Virtual Win
p 1
b w trigger start again
b 2 w 3
p
p 2 x 2
b 1 x 1 now wait for Virtual Win
p w trigger start again
p 2 w 2
b 1
p 1 w 3
b x 2
b w 3
b 3
p 1
b w 4
b 2 w 5
p 1
b w 6
b w 7
b 3
p
p x 6
Hi BigEZ,
Yes- you're right... He does mention wait for VIRTUAL win after 2 L's before restarting!!
How odd - I don't remember that at all.
And yet that example you quoted is the ONLY time he employs it - throughout all later examples he doesn't do that!
Also, he never picked me up on that on my posted examples... So maybe he dropped the virtual thing after all?!
Anyway - not a bad idea. It will certainly affect the result of the second march used on those results you posted earlier, won't it?
B-T-W doesn't employ it in his way either - maybe a similar rule should be applied to that too though? Wot U think?
A.
that's the issue there are no hard and clear rules--I wish there was
There are some general arrangements that could be made in order to get a better "control" over the outcomes.
Ok, itlr every event will be equally placed according to its mathematical expectation, but at the same time we might get some help just knowing this assumption.
In the shortest terms players can easily win, otherwise casinos wouldn't exist. Hence itlr casinos will catch our money, it's just a matter of time.
For once let's make the casinos part, hoping to get something on the long term.
So our purpose will be to possibly lose on short terms, aiming to get a kind of edge on long terms.
In a word we're acting to try to be losers most of the times and winners on long terms.
If you think any beatable game (as black jack or poker) will follow this line: most of the times we bet small wagers hoping to get a favourable count or folding most part of poker hands that itlr will show a sure EV- value.
Unfortunately, we baccarat players want to guess right any shoe and if we won't succeed in that we'll try to promptly get the best of it by raising our bets.
I was the number one in doing that, so I'm not berating anyone.
Back to the original topic, it won't so difficult to see that specific 1-2-3 distributions in any order cannot last for long but at the same time that cannot be "silent" for long either.
Up to a point where we'll be 99% sure that after a given amount of shoes a series of certain events must take place.
That means to wait and just observe (or bet light) a fair amount of shoes and to assess some "virtual losses" appearance even knowing that in the process we might miss good opportunities.
To give a vulgar example, if after 10 shoes the B/P ratio registered is 52/48 or 49/51 you can bet everything you have on your name that such deviated ratios will come closer to the 50.68/49.32 expected proposition on the next shoes. And a careful registration of singles, doubles and triples will get a better probability to follow the expected long term situations than a mere B/P registration.
I don't mean that after doing this we'll necessarily get an edge, it would be too easy.
Imo it's just a good start.
as.
some CATS swear by the gr8player progression
they don't post anymore
either they are in the riches or lost the lot
It's better if the person who started this topic/thread clarify which is the correct method to play?
Wonder why has he gone silent?
Quote from: Big EZ on February 22, 2016, 05:07:12 PM
This is how the 2nd march should look like using the rules that Sputnik has posted. Here are the rules also just to be clear....
Secound march:
Lets say you see dozen 1 then you play dozen 2 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 2 then you play dozen 1 and 3
Lets say you see dozen 3 then you play dozen 1 and 2
Until two two loses, then you wait for a fictive win and start over.
p 1
b 1
p x -1
p 2 w 0
b 1
p w 1
p w 2
p
p
p
p
p 3
b 1
p w 3
p w 4
p
p
p 3
b
b x 3
b 3 x 2, now wait for Virtual Win
p 1
b w trigger start again
b 2 w 3
p
p 2 x 2
b 1 x 1 now wait for Virtual Win
p w trigger start again
p 2 w 2
b 1
p 1 w 3
b x 2
b w 3
b 3
p 1
b w 4
b 2 w 5
p 1
b w 6
b w 7
b 3
p
p x 6
In my opinion this is not the correct way to play. You are ideally betting against the singles/chops, which doesn't sound good as they sshow up often and this way of betting will be no good.
Having said that this method worked for this shoe, but most of the times it will take you nowhere.
why else do you think there is silence? it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. simple. flip quarters, same outcome.....no betting method can do any better than FLD or OLD. pick one and go for it....
Quote from: marinetech on February 23, 2016, 04:05:40 AM
why else do you think there is silence? it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. simple. flip quarters, same outcome.....no betting method can do any better than FLD or OLD. pick one and go for it....
LIKE I said Martingale is the best.... :P
Quote from: Gambler on February 23, 2016, 02:28:32 AM
In my opinion this is not the correct way to play. You are ideally betting against the singles/chops, which doesn't sound good as they sshow up often and this way of betting will be no good.
Having said that this method worked for this shoe, but most of the times it will take you nowhere.
Gambler,
The example above is how march 2 is played. If the shoe/session is a lot of chops you will be watching it and not placing bets (most of the time). March 2 fails if there are back to back repeats of the dozens. If you play march 1 then you get all the chops and the only thing that will make you lose will be 3 unique dozens in a row.
So you pick your own way to approach the shoe, if one of the marches is producing a negative result the other one will be producing a positive one. This is just my observation
Agree with above statement. If one fail then another will work. You'll just have to decide which one.
50/50 again.
B/P
Chops/Streaks
Repeat/Opposite
Pick one.
This was a bad shoe. will lose on a 1 and 2 series back to back. 1212
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
T
B
P
B W
B L
P
B
B L
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L
B
B
B
B
B
P
B L
P
P L
B
P
P L
B
P
B W
B L
B
P
P
B
P L
B
B L
T
B
B
B
B
B
P
T
B
T
B L
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B W
P
B L
B
B L
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L
B
P
Still......
Not sure what march you were trying to play, but this is how it looks with march 2. And a 121212 pattern will not make you lose with march 1
P 1
B 1
P 1 x
B 1 x
P
P
P
P 3
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B
B x
B w
B
B 3
P 1
B 1 w
P x
P 2 w
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B w
B 3
P
P 2 x
B 1 w
P 1 w
B x
B w
B
B
B
B
B 3
P 1
B w
B 2 w
P
P x
P w
P 3
B
B 2 x
P 1 w
B w
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B w
B
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P w
ending +9
I was playing the Beat the wheel.
Quote from: Still_Learning on February 23, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
This was a bad shoe. will lose on a 1 and 2 series back to back. 1212
P
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
T
B
P
B W
B L
P
B
B L
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L
B
B
B
B
B
P
B L
P
P L
B
P
P L
B
P
B W
B L
B
P
P
B
P L
B
B L
T
B
B
B
B
B
P
T
B
T
B L
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B W
P
B L
B
B L
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P L
B
P
This is a real bad one. So when you have 2 losses in a row, you can better apply the virtual win rule.
With this atleast the loss will be minimal, say -2 to -3 and this will force you skip this shoe in this case...there will be plenty of shoes where you can cash in on the singles/chops, so don't rush and be patient...
Quote from: Big EZ on February 23, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Still......
Not sure what march you were trying to play, but this is how it looks with march 2. And a 121212 pattern will not make you lose with march 1
P 1
B 1
P 1 x
B 1 x
P
P
P
P 3
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B
B x
B w
B
B 3
P 1
B 1 w
P x
P 2 w
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P 1 w
B x
B w
B 3
P
P 2 x
B 1 w
P 1 w
B x
B w
B
B
B
B
B 3
P 1
B w
B 2 w
P
P x
P w
P 3
B
B 2 x
P 1 w
B w
B 2 w
P 1
B w
B w
B
B
B 3
P
P x
P x
P 3
B 1
P w
P 2 w
B 1
P w
ending +9
Again this method works for this shoe, but personally i'm not in favor of going against the singles/chops bcuz it will be a disaster sooner or later
Also you never know how a particular shoe behaves until you see the end result after you bet for you to switch BS method in between.
Better stick with one and abide by the rules...
These are all live shoes, few of which i played...better ppl can test these 2 methods and which ever works well, can stick with it.
1 BPPBBBBPPPPPBBBBBTPBBBBPTPTPPBBBBBPPBPBB
TBTBBBBTBPBPPPPBTTBBBPBBPBBBBPBBTPBBPBPBTP
2 PPPPPBBBBTPPPPPBTPBBBBTPBBTBTPBPPPBBBPBB
PBBBPPPPBBPBBPPBPPPPTPBBPTBBPBPBBBPPPPPPPB
3 BBBBPTBBBPPBBBBBPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBBPBBPBBB
BBPPBBBPBBBPBBPBBTBPBPBPPPPPPBBBBBT
4 PBBBBPBPBBPTBBBBBPPTPTBBBPPPPBPBPBPPBTBPB
BBBBPPPBPTBBBBBTPPPBBBBTBPPBBPPBBBBBPTPP
5 PPPPTPPBBPPBPBPTPBTBPBBBBBPPBBPPPBPBPP
TBPBPBBPTPPBBPBBBBPBPPPTPBPPBBBBBTBBBT
6 PBBBPBPBPTTPPPBBBBBPTPBBBBBBPBBTPPBBBP
BPPTPBBPBTPBBPBBBBPPPBTBPTPBPPBBBBTBBBP
7 TBPPBBBPBBBBPBBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBBPBPPPPPPB
BBPBPPPBBBPPTTBBPBBPPBBPPBPPBPPBBBBPPBB
8 BBBBPPPBPPPPTPPPPPBBBTBPPBPTPBBBBBPPBBP
PPPBBBBPPPBPBPBPBBBPBPBBBPBBPBBBPBBTBBT
9 PPBPTPBPPBBPPPPPPPPPPBPBPBBPPBPPPBPBBBBTB
BBPPBPPPBPPPBPPBTBPPPBPPPBBBBBPBBPBBTBBB
10 PPBPPTBBPPBBPPPPBBTBPPPTPPPBPTBBBBPBBBB
PPTPBTPPPBPPBPTTPPTPPBPPBTPBBBBBBPBTBPBB
11 PBBBBBBBPPPPBTPBTPPTBPPPBBPPBBBPPTBBPPBB
BTPBBBBBBPPBPPTPPBBPBBBPPBPBBPBPBTPP
12 PBPPBPPPPBPBBPPPTBBPPBBPPPTPPPBPPBBTPBPPP
BPPPPPBBPBBBPPBBPPBBPPPBBPBBBBBPB
13 BTTPPPPPBPBPPBPBBTBPBTTPBBBTPPBPTPBTBBTBB
PBBPPPBPBPPPBPPPPBPPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPBBBP
14 BBPBPPTBBBBTBPPBBBBBPBPBPBBBTBPPPPBBBBPB
TPBPPPBBBPPBPPPPBBBPTBBBPBPBBBBPPPPPPBBB
15 BBBPPBPPPBTTPBPPBBPPBPBPPPBPPBPBPPBPBBBBP
PBBBPBBBBBPPBPBPBBPBTBPBTBBBBBPBPPBBBPTB
16 PPPBBTBBPBBBBBPPPBPTPPBBBPPBBBPPPBPPBBPPP
BPPPPTPTPPPBPPPBPBBPBPPPBBBBBBPBBBBBTB
17 BPBTBPPPPPBBBBPBPBBPPBPBBBPBPPBPPPBPBBPTP
PBBBPBTBBBPTTTBBBBPBPPPPBBPPPPBPPPBB
18 PPBPTTPTPPBPBBPBBBBPTBBBPTPPBTBBPBPBBBBPT
PPBBPPBBPBTPBBBPBPBPBBBPPBBP
19 PPTTPPBBPBTBPPTBBBPBBBBBBBPBPPBBPBBPTBPBP
PBTBBBPPBPPPPTTPTTPTPBPPTTBTBPPPPBBBBPBP
20 BPBBBPBBPPPBBBBBTTTTPPBBPTTPBPPBBBPBPBPPT
BPPBBBBTPTBBPPPBPPPPBPTPTBBPPBBBBBPPBPB
21 BTPPPBPPBPPPBPBTBBBBPBBTBPTBBBBBBBTPBPPPP
BBPPPPTBBTBPBTPPBPPPBBPBBBTBTBPPBBPPBB
22 PBBBPBPPPBBBTPPBPBBPBPPPPPPPBBBTPBBBBBPPP
PBBPBBBBPPPBPPBPBBPPBPBBBPPTBBPBBPPTBPBP
23 BPBPBPBPBBBBBBTBPBBPPPBPTBBBPPPPTBPPBPPTP
PPPTPBBTPBPBPBPPBBPPTBBBBPTPBBPBBTTBBPBTB
24 PPPBBBPBBPBBBBTBBPBBPBPPBPPPBBPPBPPPBBBPB
BBPBPPPBBBTBBBTBBBPBB
25 PTBBPBPPPPBPPBBPTBPTBPBBPTPPBBPPPBPBPBPTTP
BBPBBPBPBBPPPBPBTBBBBPPPBBBBBBBPBBP
First glance, mostly could be won with march 1.
When I played this march, I ALWAYS go for the 4th streaks / chops. That way you could catch if there was long streaks / chops.
IMO.
ps.
You could always quit when you have reached your profit goal. Sometime it doesn't need too many hands to reach that.
Or you could quit at break even or minus 2/3. Find another table.
Once again, IMHO.
Quote from: Garfield on February 23, 2016, 04:48:24 PM
First glance, mostly could be won with march 1.
When I played this march, I ALWAYS go for the 4th streaks / chops. That way you could catch if there was long streaks / chops.
IMO.
ps.
You could always quit when you have reached your profit goal. Sometime it doesn't need too many hands to reach that.
Or you could quit at break even or minus 2/3. Find another table.
Once again, IMHO.
Well as long as something works and we are able to make $'s, everyone should be glad...In my case the most i look for in a shoe is +2 units and i'm a happy lot as a unit is considerably big for me, but have to be very cautious no matter what method you play....
One march lost to 1-2-3 while the other win. So be flexible in using which march. If you are on a losing streak don't push it. Give it a break.
What I've learned that, I DO BELIEVE there ALWAYS a BIAS in every shoe. BUT, the question is, in which field? March 1? March 2? FLD? OLD? OTBL? TBL? Derived road? Dr.Tom's?
Sometime taking a pause to seek for something in other field could help.
Nowadays I am very flexible with the BS method. If march 1 win, I continue. If not, maybe following the derived road. Or maybe "5D" from BTC's forum is winning. Sometime I just follow streaks/chops.
I've learned in hard way what I called "Stupid ignorance". Already know that the method wasn't working but the "ignorance" busted my BR.
Have you ever felt that?
Sometime I asked myself why I have to be so "hard-headed". What am I trying to prove here? That my BS is the best? Nope. It is all about who walk as a winner at the end of the day.
If a method lose for some shoes it doesn't mean the method isn't working properly. At my online casino I could have up to 12 tables to play. The problem is I couldn't observe everyone of it.
I tried to observe 3 at the same time. But it was very consuming. And you easily get lost between tables. I wish there were 3 or even more "me" so I could play several tables all together.
Sigh.
Quote from: Gambler on February 23, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Well as long as something works and we are able to make $'s, everyone should be glad...In my case the most i look for in a shoe is +2 units and i'm a happy lot as a unit is considerably big for me, but have to be very cautious no matter what method you play....
Well if I were you, for 2u goals I would bet till I reach it or lost 2u. Then I will change table. Maybe just a single bet of 2u. Win or losing, quit the table.
For me it isn't worth to risk more than 2u to gain 2u.
But that's just me.
Very long and tedious, to seek STABLE BET.
which we could win, with mild progression.
============================
T=SERIES OF 3, MORE.
S=SINGLE.
D=SERIES OF 2.
W=WIN.
X=LOSE.
===============
...
BBBB=T
P=S
BBB=T
PPPPPPP=T
BB=D
P=S=X=lose
BBB=T
PP=D
BBBB=T=WIN.
P=S=X
B=S
PPP=T
BBBB=T
PP=D
BB=D=WIN.
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BB=D
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B=S
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P=S
B=S
PP=D
BB=D
P=S
BB=D
PP=D
B=S
PPPP=T
BB=D
P=S=X
B=S
P=S
B ``````````````````````
P=S
B=S
PP=D
BBB=T
PPP=T=WIN
B=S
PP=D
BBBB=T
PPPP=T=WIN
BB=D
P=S=X
BBB=T
P=S
B=S
P=S
BB=D
PP=D
B=S
PP=D
BB=D
P=S
BBB=T
P=S
B=S
PP=D
B=S
PP=D
B=S
PPP=T
B=S
P=S
BBBBBBB=T
P=S
B=S
P=S
BBB=T
P=S
B=S
PP=D
BTW - What method you used to play the above shoes?
Doesn't look like the one you showed before?
Looks like you are only betting for 2 after 2/3 or 3/2?
Why did you come up with this BS and left out the earlier one to capture singles/chops? Didn't work?
Hi gentlemen,
The purpose is not to win flatbet,
but to seek a STABLE win/loss,
which could be win, with mild progression.
and see if u understand.
Go to roulette.cc
and read about PA:preaching about HG.
www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15870.msg137414#new
550 spin test (wiesbaden ) = +26,5
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 24, 2016, 07:39:48 AM
Hi gentlemen,
The purpose is not to win flatbet,
but to seek a STABLE win/loss,
which could be win, with mild progression.
and see if u understand.
This is a very good comment, imo.
Although being obsessed to look for a flat betting winning method, the previous step I had to study was right this: to seek stable W/L portions of the shoe.
If we have a machine producing 40% of W and 60% of L, yet we could win.
Not mathematically, of course.
That's why I focused my attention about the distribution of such WL patterns itlr.
In some way we might think this 40/60 W/L very unprofitable game producing a given series of patterns.
For example, the simple LLLWW 5-step pattern will produce several different outcomes depending on how and when we have bet (and if we have chosen to bet).
We know that such LLLWW sequence will be less likely than LLLLL or LLLWL or LLLLW, nonetheless it will come out according to its probability.
Now we should assess when and at which degree the above pattern deviated "too much" from the expected value in a way or another, as the 40% probability cannot disappear from the possibilities.
In a finite, asymmetrical and card dependent process game we know that certain standard deviation values cannot last for long, being the prerequisite to a RTM effect not appearing at other 50/50 games.
as.
I made a tweak to my march and it looks good.
I change between flat betting and smooth progression.
Testing 600 trails and got 8 loses in a row and the highest bet was 3 units.
111122233344455566
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Hey Sputnik,
So is this a test to see how long you can recover into a positive bank?
Thanks.........very interesting idea!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Sputnik on April 02, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
I made a tweak to my march and it looks good.
I change between flat betting and smooth progression.
Testing 600 trails and got 8 loses in a row and the highest bet was 3 units.
111122233344455566
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(http://i67.tinypic.com/6hsxo0.jpg)
HI Sputnik,
Will you be able to provide play by play of your tweaked march strategy.\
Thanks.
During some periods of the game you win more bets then you lose as you get very high strike ratio with my march, so i only flat betting with this example and the higest bet was 1 unit.
Did not know this as i only run random RNG with roulette extreme.
My Point is that no other march produce the same results where you can relax and don't worry when gambling.
Yes you can get a sequense from hell but you will not lose your pants as you wagering very smooth progression, so there is time to fight or quit.
Also duing the games i play i many times jump from positive to breakeven and postive again without touching negative territorium.
That could also be a reason to quit, when you get nothing with up and down and stop with +3 units and not be greedy.
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https://youtu.be/0WqCAP-gKpI
I get members from this forum who try to tell me what i alredy know and i will not accept it, so i will continue to delete does messages.
Cheers
You gotta use a progression, positive or negative to win regular over time, hey hey.
hey soxfan, do you still throw the dices? i was reading an old forum a bit ago and i think it was you and another fellow winning with a 'carsch' progression? ringing a bell? just wondering-- thanks
Quote from: nobody1 on April 04, 2016, 02:56:06 AM
hey soxfan, do you still throw the dices? i was reading an old forum a bit ago and i think it was you and another fellow winning with a 'carsch' progression? ringing a bell? just wondering-- thanks
I made good cake bucking up against the dice grinding the don'ts for a few moth using an extended carsch style. But the baccarats is my fulltime gig now, hey hey.
Hey Sputnik,
Do you still play this method, and what was the largest draw-down that you have seen?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Sputnik on April 03, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
...delete does messages.
It's those messages, not does messages.
Quote from: TheLaw on April 26, 2016, 12:32:57 AM
Hey Sputnik,
Do you still play this method, and what was the largest draw-down that you have seen?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Yes i am still testing and now i try Guetting Progression with four loses as stop loss and is Anlantis way.
You see two dozen strike you jump on board they will conintue, sometims i get following results WWWLWLWWWWLWWWLWWLWWLWLWWWLWWWWWWLWLWLWWW pretty good for 300 trails
Quote from: Sputnik on April 26, 2016, 06:02:52 AM
Yes i am still testing and now i try Guetting Progression with four loses as stop loss and is Anlantis way.
You see two dozen strike you jump on board they will conintue, sometims i get following results WWWLWLWWWWLWWWLWWLWWLWLWWWLWWWWWWLWLWLWWW pretty good for 300 trails
Found this gem recently........might be worth a look :
Credit to the great GLC :
"From my experience, using a positive progression where you add 1 after each win and subtract 1 unit after each loss is a losing bet progression. What Charlie Guetting is trying to do is take advantage of a decent winning series, but not have to give away all our winnings on the way back to 1 unit bets. That way we can stay in the larger bet numbers so that a really positive run will net us some big wins. While we're in a losing mode, we will be betting in the 1-2 unit range, then as soon as you move into a winning series, you can start moving up to larger units. Two losses in a row drops us all the way back to 1 unit so we don't waste a lot of units on a gradual loss pattern.
Examples:
Let's say we have 6 wins in a row and then 6 losses in a row on an even chance bet.
bet 1 Win +1
bet 1.5 Win +2.5
bet 2 Win +4.5
bet 3 Win +7.5
bet 4 Win +11.5
bet 6 Win +17.5
bet 8 Lose +9.5
bet 1.5 Lose +8.5
bet 1 Lose +7.5
bet 1 Lose +6.5
bet 1 Lose +5.5
bet 1 Lose +4.5 So after 6 wins followed by 6 losses, we end up with +4.5 units.
Now standard +1 on a win, -1 on a loss.
bet 1 Win +1
bet 2 Win +3
bet 3 Win +6
bet 4 Win +10
bet 5 Win +15
bet 6 Win +21
bet 7 Lose +14
bet 6 Lose +8
bet 5 Lose +3
bet 4 Lose -1
bet 3 Lose -4
bet 2 Lose -6 So, -6 units compared to +4.5. Quite a difference.
It's just another way of trying to win more units on wins than we lose on losses, but using a positive progression instead of a negative progression.
I don't know if this is any better than a Reverse Labby, but it surely looks like it has merit.
One final point. This can be adapted to a 3/2 bet also. That's betting 5 lines at a time. The chart looks like the following.
First here's what the Guetting chart really is
Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
2 6 15
2 6 15
3 8 20
3 8 20
Any time we lose on the 1st bet of a double, we drop to the 1st bet in the level below where we're betting.
Any time we lose on the 2nd bet of a double, we just step back 1 bet and replay that double.
Here's what the chart for double dozens looks like:
Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
2 6 15
2 6 15
2 6 15
2 6 15
3 8 20
3 8 20
3 8 20
3 8 20
It's just double the even chance chart.
For 5 lines it would be the following:
Lvl 1 Lvl 2 Lvl 3 Lvl 4
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
1 1.5 4 10
2 6 15
2 6 15
2 6 15
2 6 15
etc...
It get's crazy for streets, splits and straight up numbers, but it can be done.
GLC"
I have resurrected this topic on the other forum.
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16426.new#new
Trying to figure out exactly how it works still.
Reply #210 here seems direct. But it seems like it's one
of many ways to skin the cat, if I read back to the beginning.
(Way # 28. Crazy glue and a tooth brush)
Quote from: BetJack on February 16, 2016, 12:04:11 PM
?? is there Someone .... who understood that part ??
Yes.
Quote from: Atlantis on February 16, 2016, 04:06:52 PM
Hi Gambler,
Sorry to hear that.
Which way did you try? Sputnik's March 1,2 or 3?
Or did you try BEAT-THE-WHEEL'S way?
I am not sure of how to play the third march; am waiting to hear from BEAT-THE-WHEEL/PA. to tell me about his idea with my example I showed a few posts back... I am playing cautiously and winning with the second march!
A.
I like this Atlantis.
Can you remind me about the 2nd march? I get them
confused.
Thanks
Hi mogul,
I've not played it for a while...
Basically the method is same as Sputnik's second march with the modifications:
I follow the chop after a complete fully formed single series until loss then stop + bet against "series of one" for ONE TIME ONLY but only if the last two complete series were 2 and 3 in any order...
I commence play when I have 2 complete formed different EC series
series 1 = single EC
series 2 = streak of 2 EC
series 3 = 3 or more streak of same EC
example1
-----------
r
r
b
b
b
r - bet here against it being a series of 1
r - w+1 STOP
example 2
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r
r
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet here for chop to continue ie. against series 3
b - w+1
r - w+1
r - L-1 STOP
b
r - last 2 series were 1 and 2 so bet against series of 3
b - w+1
b - L-1 STOP
r
r
r
b - last 2 series were 3 and 2 so bet against series of 1
b - w+1 STOP
r
r
r
b
b
b
b
b
r
r
r
b
r bet against series of 2
r L-1 stop -1
r
b bet against series of 2
r w+1 bet against series of 2 +0
b w+1 bet against series of 2 +1
b L-1 stop +0
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 stop -1
r
r
b bet against series of 1
r L-1 stop -2
b bet against series of 2
r w+1 -1
b w+1 +0
b L-1 stop -1
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 stop -2
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop -3
b
r bet against series of 1
r w+1 stop -2
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop -1
r bet against series of 1
r w+1 stop +0
r
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop +1
b
r bet against series of 1
b L-1 stop +0
r bet against series of 2
r L-1 stop -1
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop -2
r bet against series of 3
b w+1 -1
b L-1 stop -2
r bet against series of 3
b w+1 -1
r w+1 +0
b w+1 +1
b L-1 stop +0
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 -1
r
b bet against series of 1
b w+1 stop +0
b
r bet against series of 1
r w+1 stop +1
r
r
r
r
b bet against series of 1
r L-1 stop +0
b bet against series of 2
r w+1 +1
b w+1 +2
r w+1 +3
b w+1 +4
r w+1 +5
b w+1 +6
r w+1 +7
b w+1 +8
r w+1 +9
r L-1 stop +8
r
b bet against series of 2
r L-1 stop +7
b bet against series of 2
b L-1 stop +6
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 stop +5
b bet against series of 3
b L-1 stop +4
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 stop +3
b bet against series of 3
r w+1 +4
b w+1 +5
b L-1 +4
r bet against series of 3
r L-1 +3
b
A.
PS. Forgot to say after a STOP I wait for next SERIES to completely form before making decision by looking at last 2 complete series!
PPS. When I say "last 2 series" I mean the last 2 different complete series recorded in the history... You may have to go further back than the actual last 2 series (if they are the same) to get the 2 different series required.
For instance even if the last 5 series were 2-2-2-2-3 then the "last 2 series" are 2 and 3 so you look to bet AGAINST series 1 forming...
Best regards,
A.
What do you think of this response, and methodology.
Is this a "moving target"?
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16426.new#new
Reply # 45 by Ego. (that's sputnik)
Atlantis,
How are you playing it?
D'alenbert?
Thanks
Observation.
It looks like whenever you have a single with a double or
triple, you are "betting against 2 or 3". What that means is
that you play for a chop.
Second, there are a couple places where you bet for the chop and STOP.
And others where you keep playing the chop.
What is the difference?
Is anyone still playing this approach?
Quote from: Trbfla on March 17, 2017, 08:13:52 AM
Is anyone still playing this approach?
Well i develop this further as i learn more about NOR strategy - so the observation is that you get bias states.
If you can not see how the singles and series of two state create winnings and break even results for 3456789 times in a row and beyond that - if you don't see that, then i can't help you.
Same with singles and series of three and higher - they also create winnings and break even results for 3456789 times in a row and beyond that.
And alternating series is same as above with straight winnings.
So no matter what state that strike you get WLWWLWWWLWLWLWWWWLWWLWWLWLWLL and alternating series WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
The question is what you do between does states and when the results alternate and create three loses LLL
Cheers
Observation
One important discovery is that you have three states that strike and become a true bias - but everything lose to something and this states lose when three events alternate with no present bias.
That is three loses LLL
Measuring the bias
Sometimes you can see 25 hits with only two events, for example singles and series of three and higher, then you win and break even for 25 hits and the bias end with two loses.
Bias states come in different length and sometimes 20 to 30% of a baccarat shoe can be hitting with only two events - that is with other words jackpot.
But you also get several small bias states that not last more then 2345 strikes in a row with two events.
So you need to split the shoe into sections and see how the average bias preform.
Predict the future
Every state that has a bias and follow by a new state with a bias are connected with past events that also are part of the future bias state.
For example you have singles and series of two, then you know this state will end with a serie of three or higher, that is conditional facts, and next singles or series of two will also be part of the future state and that is also a conditional fact.
Now to the part how you predict the future knowing what coming next - if the next following state has a bias then it is a conditional fact that at least two event will hit for three times in a row or more.
So with my example above with a bias state with singles and series of two end with a serie of three or higher also will have singles or series of two being part of the future state.
That means if you next have for example a serie of three and one single hitting being part of the future state - then you know that you will have a serie of three or higher or one single as the third event as the minimum bias state is at least three events repeating.
RAP YOUR MIND AROUND THAT
As I've already sayed, this is one of the most powerful strategies to be employed at bac tables.
If you dissect the bac outcomes just on three events (singles, doubles, 3+s) you are doing yourself a favor.
You do not want to guess the unguessable every time and no matter what, just to predict some limited sections of the shoe where two events out of three will come out at different degrees and by a degree higher than 75%.
Notice that we are sure that itlr such 75% will be not confirmed by any means, depending on which side we are registering.
as.
Quote from: Sputnik on March 17, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
Predict the future
Every state that has a bias and follow by a new state with a bias are connected with past events that also are part of the future bias state.
I agree and side with many things you say. But I have to state, this highlighted statement you made in explicit writing is so far opposite the truth it is blatantly obvious to the more experienced players-that current and future bias's have not bearing on the past one. However, one exception that might be true and again--might not be. If it is within the same shoe--that statement might at times hold up. Might.
As far as saying something that will happen is because of a link to something that did last shoe, two shoes ago, 5 shoes ago or last night within a casino, is so far absurd it is past the funny laughable mark.
Well you missunderstand and i can show very clear example that prove my statement - do you think i am a fool - i move from five number bankroll to six number bankroll.
I will show two examples - one with Banker & Player and one with Dozen 1,2,3 with roulette.
The reason i don't use the word conditional probability is that is not true - but it is conditional facts if the next following state has a bias - then the assumption and expectation is dependent upon that.
Ýou can call it a hunch - but there is more bias states then non bias states no matter what perspective you use.
Assume i getting singles and series of three and higher 11351311411811113 that is a bias state and can come in any length.
Assume that state follow by singles and series of two - then the minimum would be any combination with three results with singles and series of two (a present bias for the future state) - for example 112 or 211 or 212 or 221 or 122
When the first state with singles and series of three and higher 11351311411811113 end with a serie of two you have the beginning of a new state.
But the serie of two is not part of the future state - but with this example singles are part of both past and future state.
11351311411811113 - 21 next if that beginning of the new state has a bias we will get a serie of two or a single as the minimum bias state is three events - so we know what coming next based upon our expectation as at least one of both events has to repeat once to become a bias state - then we know indirect the future outcome.
To get more into detail - if you have serie of two and not any second result you just be that the serie of two will repeat once with one single bet - that way if you not win your first bet you force the second event to show and now you know that you will win as one of does two events will repeat once if there is a bias - conditional fact.
The hunch or expectation or guessing or what ever you like to call it - is based upon the assumption that a bias state will be follow by a new bias state and as there is more bias states then no bias states so is the strike ratio tight and high.
Cheers
You get into complicated long and detailed explanation that can be interpreted any number of ways.
In baccarat you will also have bias, always and that will not change. How long a bias will be is unknown and not based on anything else, unless and only unless there was a long bias of anything within the one shoe, then it is more apt (but not compelled or must, etc.) to change to the opposite or bias' as you so mention. Other than that, no.
1's and 2's and 3's are not necessarily bais' at all. And those are the easiest ones to one with 1 wager or so, possibly 2. But a series of those wagers gets extremely hard if not nearly impossible to win continually.
Here is the Dozen example to make this conditional facts more clear.
Assume dozen 1 & 2 hit for five times in a row 11221 and end with dozen 3 now if there is not bias into the next state you will have 321 or any other combination 312
If there is a bias into the next state you will receive 11221 / 313 or 11221 / 322 or 11221 / 311 or 11221 / 331 or any other combination where the events repeats at least twice within three attempts.
And as you can see that past state events are part of the future state - so if your expectation is that a bias state will follow by new bias state - then you can predict the future.
Cheers
Quote1's and 2's and 3's are not necessarily bais' at all. And those are the easiest ones to one with 1 wager or so, possibly 2. But a series of those wagers gets extremely hard if not nearly impossible to win continually.
I don't agree with your perspective - i see all baccarat shoes into sections where there is more bias section then neutral sections - but that is up to everyone to explore for them self - i just show the framework and each state has winnings or break even positions and i have never seen any one do better then that.
But everything lose to something and in this case neutral states - but they can also be explored and i know NOR does that with out telling any details.
Cheers
If you are referring to a neutral section as something along the lines of: Chop-Chop 1's, or Doubles 2 by 2's, or triples 3 by 3's or alternating streaks of 4's, etc., etc., then you are correct. Their are more inconsistent bias than neutrals.
However, if you are saying you have profited and prevailed largely wagering a continual series of bias' within each and every shoe on 1's, 2's and 3's, so one and so forth, I say you got extremely lucky and your streak will eventually end big time. I recall you saying you have not been playing baccarat a long time(?).
To throw up a large wager on a inconsistent 'cut' is easy and down all the time. Yes, I agree, I do it too and witness it down each and every casino session, without a doubt. However, the consistent winning and larger continual wins are accomplished on consistent prevailing hands of some type. And that does not matter on bit if it is weak or strong, repeating or not. That is what I am saying.
As far as wagering on 1's, 2's or 3's and the bias' that you are saying will happen because of previous events, to me is not going to hold up with any kind of consistency.
Quote from: alrelax on March 20, 2017, 05:33:26 PM
If you are referring to a neutral section as something along the lines of: Chop-Chop 1's, or Doubles 2 by 2's, or triples 3 by 3's or alternating streaks of 4's, etc., etc., then you are correct. Their are more inconsistent bias than neutrals.
However, if you are saying you have profited and prevailed largely wagering a continual series of bias' within each and every shoe on 1's, 2's and 3's, so one and so forth, I say you got extremely lucky and your streak will eventually end big time. I recall you saying you have not been playing baccarat a long time(?).
To throw up a large wager on a inconsistent 'cut' is easy and down all the time. Yes, I agree, I do it too and witness it down each and every casino session, without a doubt. However, the consistent winning and larger continual wins are accomplished on consistent prevailing hands of some type. And that does not matter on bit if it is weak or strong, repeating or not. That is what I am saying.
As far as wagering on 1's, 2's or 3's and the bias' that you are saying will happen because of previous events, to me is not going to hold up with any kind of consistency.
I think you missunderstand me - i not saying 1s and 2s and 3s are most common and i don't and i think we use different lingo or terms.
I know there is 1000 of 1s and 500 of 2s and 250 of 3s - but that is not my perspective or understanding with my framework with this topic.
I only use three events only - you might call it clustering patterns or formations or whatever you like - but for me there only exist 1s and 2s and 3+
Notice the plus sign after series of three where series of three and higher is the same - i see 3+ and use them as one event only.
So when i use one example with 1s and 2s and 3+ that is with the odds 1 in 3 - no more or less ...
If i understand you correct so was you thinking 1s and 2s and 3s and betting does for what they are as events - that has nothing to do with bias states or my perspective.
I only look at the combination where only two of them hitting and where one of them is sleeping.
Cheers
Sorry, I do not understand, your lingo is different than people I have played with or talked to for well over 3 decades of actual H.L. room baccarat play.
I read your stuff and I assume at this point a totally misunderstanding and wrongful comments, sorry. thanks.
Well i join beat the casino forum - so i am learning the baccarat lingo they use and it take time to learn - so i am sorry that i can't be more clear with my languish.
Cheers
What Sputnik means,
is,
whe he bet s1,series2, series3+,
in an arrangement,
the result of hit, and lose ALWAYS,
within Math EXPECTATION.
Thus easily won, with mild progression.
123 permutation, always hit around 33%,
take or give, 2 or 3%.
and, or but the result, always near 50/50.
Are you using Google translate? 😬
Funny "google translate" why should out of the box solution become easy to understand ... this is only the beginner material and get more advance with further observations ...
Members never learn and understand that when you hit two loses you should hold your bet and consider what to do next ...
You see members betting into the hole and being part of the negative expectation and use negative progression to recoup loses ...
We should reduce loses and have good expectation and explore the bias.
No, No, everyone still using patterns and betting for a change and that did not working 300 years ago and is not working today.
That is one reason why i did not buy Baccarat Buster 2 software - because i don't need pattern search - because you can not win that way.
if you do a long list of baccarat,
say around 300 to 500 decision.
in single 1, and series2, and series3+...
eg.
xpx ...p= single 1.
xppx...p=series2.
xpppx...p=series3...and more than 3, also stated as series3.
xppppx, or xpppppx, or xpppppppp..x....p=series3.
thus, eg.
b1
pp2
bbb3
pppp3
bbbbb3
pppppppp3..
a simple example..
p1
bbbb3
pp2............(that 132 )
bb2
p1
bb2
ppppp3. ....(that123)
b1
ppppppp3
bbbb3
p1
b1
p1
bb2
pppppp3.....(123).....and so on.
you will see, whether, as in rolling form, or in pinwheel style,
the 123 permutation, always , well, almost always, hit AROUND 33%.
THE purpose, of this bet selection, is to have, win/lose ratio,
that hit within MATH EXPECTATION.
thus, when, you very confident that the future result, will hit within expectation,
you could win, with mild progression.
you need to wait, for a prospect, of 123 permutation , to hit..
say, when, 12 hit, you may bet for 3, to hit or not to hit, accordingly.
TERIMA KASIHHHHHHH
Sputnik, says ..
EXPLORE THE BIAS.
he means, ..
wait for, a Variance, or extreme variance,
to hit first,
than since, the hit will within expectation,
then the remaining will produce,
well over expectation...
What do you guys think about this :
Last 18 different numbers ordered in 123 ..... pattern:
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 (some numbers can repeat but must be in the same group /order)
so each group have 6 numbers ( for now )
What would you bet in the next few spins ? ;)
hi Kattila,
do you mean, that, since...
single1, series2,series3+,
will have hit ratio,
of (3:2:1.)
thus,
===========
(s1)(s1)(s1)
(s2 )(s2)
(s3)
===========
above SET, of illustrasion, have exactly SIX,
decision, of ,
single1=three. hit,
series2=two hit...
series3+, =one hit.
Then, we make, 100sets, of that illustration,
on a piece of paper.
then, we tick, or strike out, with pen, when a single, or series2 or 3 hit.
if a EXTREME VARIANCE HIT,
when we go through halfway,
then we bet, the not yet hit, single series...accordingly.
theoritically,
all will strike out, about evenly, when, the bet goes on.
eg,
p1
bbbb3
pp2...will note down, as tick, or strike out as...
s1(/ ),s1( ),s1( ),
s2(/ ),s2( ),
s3 (/ ).
=======
so, as we bet, all should , about to fill up, as the bet goes on.
and..
thus,
when we see, a BIAS, OR VARIANCE, we bet the, empty, not yet hit.
Quote from: Kattila on March 21, 2017, 11:49:27 AM
What do you guys think about this :
Last 18 different numbers ordered in 123 ..... pattern:
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 (some numbers can repeat but must be in the same group /order)
so each group have 6 numbers ( for now )
What would you bet in the next few spins ? ;)
Kattila i can not get into details as i am part of private forum - but i can mention the next level where you bet for the (most common) and not the (least common) MC/LC
Assume you have following bias results - see attach image that lose with three loses BB PPP B P then you would continue to aim for singles and if you lose bet it will be a serie of two and if it lose bet it will be a serie of three and lose if you get serie of four or higher - another three bets - if you win during the random walk you look back to see what bias state you ride and change the betting to explore the bias state and not using MC/LC strategy.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2jry3r.jpg)
I made a error with the chart above - i correct it later - cheers
Sputnik ,many thanks for the explanation of what it means to you, bias.
For now try to apply this standard for dozens of is easier to start with, I think I understand the concept of using this for singles and series for Ec bets.
I use regression for 2 dozens, 4-2-3-4-5-6-7
and 4 approach for first bet if you lose 4 times the first bet Ending sessions, also the end of the session it was only when I win all the steps of regression.
How many levels the regression suggest, I know you are using regression for EC, whether you use all 7 levels?
Do You use waiting for virtualwin after 2 losing bets?
Ozon i am stuck with my own observations and can not make up my mind - there is so many things to explore with bias states - i am learning NOR among others like SAP and more.
So i getting a very complex understanding at the moment and have my self a learning curve where i compare others work with my own to reach conclusions.
This means i not have a final solution for you and can say that Regression Up & Pull might work with MDB+ if you tweak and adapt the staking strategy to work with three attempts.
I can't help you at the moment as this would take time and effort from my own development to get more skills and deeper and more complex understanding.
The patch is a process to become full time player and involve a thinking process of old and new things.
Ozon i join a private forum and spend time study there work.
Cheers
Gentlemen,
It being proven,
by others math expert,
that single vs series,
has a PECULIAR trait,
of hitting "Near-Equilibrium",
AFTER A LONG spin..
the simple single1 VS series2-and-more,
has the tend to near 50/50,
but after very long spin.
Thus our task, is to devise, a strategy,
of AVOIDING-EXTREME-VARIANCE,
that bound to occur,
so that when we attack,
the result will,
hit as equilibrium, as close as possible.
and we win even with FLAT bet.!!!
Sputnik's idea,
of s1/s2/s3+..
has MARVELOUS tendency,
to near equal,
after, 200 to 300spins!!!
IMHO,
the best is BACCARAT,
as the roulette's ZERO,
with 1/37 edge, could make them,
less attractive.
Since the result always go to 50/50,
THEN,
after you see extreme deviation,
you could see the "line-of -the-chart"
[if you make a line chart of the decision result of flat bet 1u],
always POINTING back to the zero-value line!!!
Its like,
you bet that a ,
"in a bag has 50% red, and 50% black ping-pong balls" .
and you wait till which color deviate first,
and then bet the reverse color!
Hope you understand.
For those INTERESTED,
you do a long list of baccarat,
as below,
p1=single1.
bb2=series2.
ppp3=series3
pppp3[or more]=series3
=================
then bet FLAT,
FOR 123-permutation.
TO HIT.
in rolling basis.
PP2
BB2
PPP3=[2&3.bet next will 1]
B1 hit
P1
B1
PPP3 [BET next, FOR2]
BBBBB3 HIT
PPP3
B1 [BET next, FOR2]
PPPPPPPPPPP3 HIT
BBBBBBB3 HIT
PP2 [next, bet1]
BB2 LOSE
PPP3[bet1]
BBB3 LOSE
and so on...
you will not surprise to
see after long spin,
will near 50/50 eqilibrium.
ANY QUESTION???
since I can't do spreadsheet,
if you kind enough,
after you do,
say, zumma10000 baccarat,
as I mentioned above.
please share them here,
for everyone to see.
Thanks. :nod:
For Beat the Wheel
Are you stating that singles vs series 2 and + are close to equilibrium after 200 /300 spins?
I'd hope so,but my tests confirm the opposite.
I made some tests at "Trente et Quarante",european cards game with two chances,Vig 1%(less than Baccarat) and the behavior of 2 chances versus behavior singles vs series 2 and + were the same;same variances,same difficulties,same losses.
After serie of 2 and series of 3,in your example, you play single.....
But Sputnik march was to play series of 2 and/or series of 3,betting on sleeping singles
Or may be it's exactly the same..no player advantage
My personal experience says that playing patterns is a losing approach,unless you play a very unfrequent pattern that occurs once every 4 or 5 shoes or more
BKR 5 big units,Wingoal 1 unit,flat bet or 1,2,2 losing progression
It's for me the sole approach that pays the vacation for my family once a year,sure not for make a living and stop working
Hi Roversi13,
thanks for your thought.
========================
Gentlemen,
Let see.
Bet that s1,s2,s3+, will be 123-permutation.
thus...
123=win
321=win
132=win
133=win
313=win
312=win..and so on...
you get the idea
I still consider this to be one among the best discovery's in a long time - made this discovery before i join Beat The Casino Forum Board where they have similar ways viewing the bias.
But they use the SAP count and i only use three events where two hit with regularity.
The down side with alternating results when each event hit once, is that it cost us three loses.
The amazing up side is that when we ride a bias we only win or break even during our ride.
Cheers
I beg your pardon if I'll use your word "march" in my new blog post. :thumbsup:
as.
I have to write this down quick - AS made my thinking process going - now assume you bet one strong side - then you only need two bets to catch a bias wish make the losing very small if you don't jump on board the train.
Now i also as AS been exploring the idea using 1121121111 and 113131111311 strong side bias where singles overlap from one state or one bias to the other - they overlap and the singles connect them with each other.
Now when the two series chop 2322322333223 you also get a bias but have to skip this particular one when you aim for singles as your base bet or break even with 2 and 3
Assume i get 111211211 3 the sequence end with three and we should not make any bets - we could continue betting singles after the serie of three - but it would be expensive ...
Assume we get 3 then we wait - if we get single we can continue as we have one strong indication singles hit again or continue to hit
But if we get a serie of two - we don't know if we will get series to chop (bias) or if the serie of three repeats - here is worth one single bet for one repeat of a serie of three - let me explain why - assume you lose one single bet and get a serie of two - then you have 32 then only two things can happen - either you get 3 and 2s to chop (bias) or you get one or each even 321.
So you get two possibilitys to emerge after one single bet that would cost you two or three bets continue chasing for not happening - for example you get a serie of 3 and you bet single and get a serie - then you would bet for that serie to repeat and if it does not you are down two bets (attempts) and if we would play the series chop bias 2 and 3s we would make one more bet to catch that to happen - if we then get a single or three events showing 321 we would had been placing three bets.
So we avoid placing two to three losing bets with one single bet to show us what happens with the bias sequence.
Now i understand this as i wrote it down.
One loss is less then two loses and two loses is less then three loses - does cost us money and drawdowns when we try to stay ahead flatbetting.
So if you try this out - then a good idea is to see a common bias where two events show and then start the attack with two attempts.
Then how you conintue from that beginning into catch more bias is up to you.
One solution among others is to aim for singles as AS exaplain.
https://betselection.cc/asymbacguy/asymbacguy-march/msg61482/#new
Test one variant flatbetting +17 vs. -4
+2
+2
+1.5
-4
+0
+4
+0
+2
+2
+3.5
Cheers
I just come to one more conclusion when it boils down to decision making, never start one attack with two attempts when you only have two events showing, you want to see a bias state before entering the game, this make you avoid trippel or alternating where each event show once 231 so when shoe goes 112 you have small bias and 11212122111 you have medium bias and 1121212211121112121221
you have large bias, so my conclusion is to attack when bias is present passing three results to see the particular situation emerge.
We should follow the shoe and what is produce I have shown this several times how the shoe is bias with three states/wave combonation
Never play agains't the shoe - i can easy show you how you can experience two events striking 15 to 25 times in a row that would only take two bets W or LW It does not get better then this
What i ramble above is to reduce the three common loses when you get trippel or alternating results - three loses in a row is to much - we should only exept two loses or less when trying to jump on board a bias
I just need to make this notes.
Cheers
I will play this variant in my local casino this weekend - getting great results ...
Notice some things and made some changes to the decision making process.
Will make 100 sessions to see how it holds up.
+30
-4
=26
+8
+2.5
-4
+4
+3
+3
+3
+1.5
+0
+2
+3
Yep, those marches are just more controlled approaches to "feel" the random flow of any shoe without having to guess the unguessable.
Think about this.
It's sure as hell that sooner or later one shoe will provide only P singles and P doubles, meaning we'll win every 1-step or 2-step bets. This is the best scenario we could get then going down to just one, two or three "interfering" third unwelcome outcomes.
On B side we'll be retired after watching the same whole 1-2 occurence.
At a lower degree even only singles and triples may form the B or P side and notice that here we are not paying any vig on nearly half of the total bets (B singles and P triples).
Actually and generally speaking, the 1-3 uniform shoe situation will be more likely than the 1-2 counterpart for obvious reasons: 3s need more space to distribute themselves, that is a minor number of total hands per shoe.
Additionally we see that our "perfect" target to aim for must start with two thirds of the possible three outcomes, in the sense that what started fine will have some probability to end fine whereas multiple heterogeneous results will lead but to uncertainty.
If we think the shoe as a possible way to get all winnings, we'll have a better idea when to start or not and to stop or not the wagering.
Of course a shoe is 75-80 hands long, so we must focus on the fragments of it where one outcome could be silent for long.
Sputnik pointed put this quite well.
Baccarat isn't roulette where each spin is independent from the previous one, at baccarat cards are removed from the deck and there's a finite number of hands per every shoe.
Therefore stuff could last for long in the same way that favourable "biases" could last for the entire shoe.
The main mistake of the vast majority of bac players is trying to get the best of it wagering the stuff that keep appearing on the same shoe or, even worse, to raise the bets on subsequent shoes hoping that things have a higher probability to come out on their way.
No way.
Good shoes and terrible shoes can come out consecutively and that's the main reason why 99% of bac players go broke in very short intervals of time.
More on this on my section.
as.
Hello AS it made me happy that is not only me that see the strong bias using my methodology.
I will take this a step further and say the bias shoe has 4 dimensions 4D
1) First state: 1s and 2s
2) Second state: 1s and 3/3+
3) Third state: 2s and 3/3+
4) Forth state: 1s and 2s and 3/3+
The observation is easy, if you get three of the same of two events you have a bias with first, second and third state.
If you do not reach three or more there is no bias and you get a trippel or alternating result 123, chaotic and erratic bias that also can strike and emerge as a bias state.
CHeers
Hi Sputnik!
I guess you are considering the 4 states continuosly without regard of the two distinct sides.
In such instance even the third state that I totally discard from my options may get some long winning sequences.
The pros betting 2/3s are that a breaking single produces just one unit loss.
The cons of using this approach are that the variance impact is much higher than by using two distinct sides.
cheers
as.
Hi AS i use each side by it self so maybe i was not clear at that point.
And i also think variance or amount of attempts increase to catch to many different bias state with to many options.
For me is just amazing finding different states that can unfold and i will list them for others to see:
Note that 3 stands for series of three or higher.
First state: 1s & 2s = 12112112121111211121
Second state: 1s & 3s = 113111313133113111
Third state: 2s & 3s = 33232223222323223322
Fourth state: 1s & 2s & 3s = 321231123132213
I am proud over my self to distinct this common bias with baccarat shoes and making this observations, much better then NOR that i read about at BTC.
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on March 03, 2018, 07:53:54 AM
Hi AS i use each side by it self so maybe i was not clear at that point.
And i also think variance or amount of attempts increase to catch to many different bias state with to many options.
For me is just amazing finding different states that can unfold and i will list them for others to see:
Note that 3 stands for series of three or higher.
First state: 1s & 2s = 12112112121111211121
Second state: 1s & 3s = 113111313133113111
Third state: 2s & 3s = 33232223222323223322
Fourth state: 1s & 2s & 3s = 321231123132213
I am proud over my self to distinct this common bias with baccarat shoes and making this observations, much better then NOR that i read about at BTC.
Cheers
Hi Sputnik!
How do you play the fourth state where all 3 patterns come out?
as.
Hi AS ...
If you get 123 is easy to bet 1 and if you lose bet 2 next W or LW and would be 1231 or 1232 (no repeats)
Same methodology using the other states where you win or break even with W or LW.
The difficult part is what you do between states using decision making, for example you can use two bets to catch two common states and eliminate two other states.
Assume you lose and end up with PP PPPP
Then you can not get 1s and 2s and not 1s and 3s ... so you have two states left - series to chop PP PPPP PPP PP PPPPP - and trippel or alternating state PP PPPP P PP PPPPP P PPP PP
But i don't like it and need to reduce the attempts to catch the swings between states.
The bias it self is doing just fine with two attempts that win or break even, the issue i have is decision making between states.
Cheers
Some keep track of the occurrences of 1's, 2's and 3's and hope that the sleeper continues to sleep. For example, if the count is 12,4,8, bet 1's and 3's and avoid 2's. Everything is a guessing game.
I solve the puzzle, now I can play positive progressions or just flat betting my way to heaven.
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FOE/hg-1.png)
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FOF/hg-2.png)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/1pgzgp.png)
Congratulations. The graphs look very smooth and going up.
The Van Keelen Test
Every serious system player is interested in an objective method, giving him information whether his system has a certain value and is going to produce a net profit in the long run.
Beside the "Statistical Ecart" and other test options, with which we will deal in one of the next issues of Basics, "the Van Keelen Test" is a simple measuring procedure, with which the player can determine the chances of success or failure of his system.
The Van Keelen Test, which was developed decades ago, will give the player information about the value of a system, and requires the player to check his system over a certain number of placed bets before he begins the practical play.
This again has the advantage that possible losses only develop on paper and not in reality at the table!
The Van Keelen Test sets into relationship the net gain of a system to the number of placed bets, whereby the minimum number of the placed bets checked for all chances must amount to at least 1000.
The units wagered must be of equal value; no progression is to be used! It is very important to point out that we speak here of placed bets, not spins!
To check a system over 1000 spins, has no meaning!
This testing method has the inestimable advantage that a system must be checked at least over 1000 placed bets, and on this basis a prediction about the value of the checked system is possible.
With 100000 *checked bets, even a negative result can be still another feature of a good system. Because if a system indicates a real superiority over ZERO, the possibility exists, that with an adapted progression continuous gains can be obtained.
Even-Money-Bets (Black/Red/Even/Odd/High/Low):
A system indicates a genuine superiority:
1. if after 1000 placed bets a gain of more than 100 units was obtained!
2. if after 8000 placed bets a gain of more than 60 units was obtained!
3. if after 100000 placed bets a result better than - 1000 was obtained*
My Notes ...
So close, I peak at 70 units during 963 placed bets, flat betting, now assume I would use a smooth progression, then it would take forever to lose.
For example 11111 22222 33333 44444 55555
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FRM/van-kellen-1.jpg)
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FRM/van-kellen-2.jpg)
Quote from: Sputnik on July 13, 2018, 09:13:31 AM
I solve the puzzle, now I can play positive progressions or just flat betting my way to heaven.
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FOE/hg-1.png)
(http://forumbilder.se/H7FOF/hg-2.png)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/1pgzgp.png)
Hello!
Is this the same strategy but with modifications?
Yes, there is with the modifications.
What I wrote is the raw blueprint to show existing bias.
I will give you one example but not a complete solution, there are many tiny adjustments to a hole solution.
For example, take only the sequence when a series of three or higher with singles strike when you divide the random bits into sections and turning points.
Then after one series most of the times will be followed by a new series within that state as they will be biased most of the times.
Now if you would jump on board the first formation of three in a row that would be expensive as you would need two bets to cover both situations for the next series of two to become a higher series if the first bet loses. Yes, I say expensive because you need to reduce your bets and still have the opportunity and reason to strike available.
Now assume you get a series of three and a series of two where you lose one bet, in this situation you have a new state, series to chop and is another bet to strike several times in a row.
So with one singles bet or at most two bets you can cover two states and strike several times in a row where there is bias present.
Cheers
I take small steps in the right direction with Sputnik's March.
Now two losses or less is the threshold.
I will explain the following observations so you understand when and where and why to bet.
This is the sections and turning points.
When you see one sequence starts with two singles or more you skip that sequence as non-playable.
Let me list them one by one.
a) Singles and series of two is one entering point that results in two losses if it fails to become bias.
b) Singles and series of three or higher is one entering point that results in two losses if it fails to become bias.
c) Series of two and one single is one entering point that results in two losses if it fails to become bias.
d) Series of three or higher and one single is one entering point that results in two loses if it fails to become bias.
e) Series of two and a series of three or higher is one entering point that results in two loses if it fails to become bias.
f) Series of three and higher and series of two is one entering point that results in two loses if it fails to become bias.
When you see singles and any kind of series you follow both with two bets to cover both situations to repeat once more and avoid triplet (one of each) following the principal of 1/3.
W LW W W W LW W LW W LW LW LW W W W LW W LL LW W W LL W
Today's random org file.
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