I don't need the money. My life could be less accomplished but I don't care anymore.
Here is what is going to happen. The Math Nazis and the absolutist faction of the probability theorists either win this war or they don't.
I will build the app as a proof of concept device. It will be open source. I will answer every question asked of me here as if I were a tutor asking money for it. I'm done being mad at the naysayers. I'm ready to wreck the opportunity. DEAL WITH IT.
Most of you have no clue where to start. Start with the recognition of a characteristics of a randomness trend.
Ask away. I will teach you until all of you are wise.
Get Smart Here: download my free to use tracking software.
I hope that others here will help lost travelers here, please.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 07, 2016, 05:06:01 AM
I don't need the money. My life could be less accomplished but I don't care anymore.
Here is what is going to happen. The Math Nazis and the absolutist faction of the probability theorists either win this war or they don't.
I will build the app as a proof of concept device. It will be open source. I will answer every question asked of me here as if I were a tutor asking money for it. I'm done being mad at the naysayers. I'm ready to wreck the opportunity. DEAL WITH IT.
Thank you for putting forth this offer. I accept. It is very gracious of you to provide the community the knowledge of your real life experience and years of research on what really works for you.
Is it possible for you to summarize a concise way on how to go about using your discovery without searching or waiting for something else to happen now?
This thread is yours to make shine and I commend you for your efforts.
Justin
If you really want to educate people, be open with your concepts that you think work.
Tracking software, where is that?
Can you try to create a simulator/tracker that can automatically analyze a large set of data as you want us to play?
Is it flat betting?
I'm not joking here, You can't beat randomness unless you can read randomness. So first all of you must see the light. It's time to make the math Nazis see coincidence. If they persist in only seeing nothing then leave them in their ignorance. It's time to move forward. Their arguments will be deleted by me if they project nonsense.
Quote from: Albalaha on August 07, 2016, 05:30:56 AM
If you really want to educate people, be open with your concepts that you think work.
Tracking software, where is that?
Can you try to create a simulator/tracker that can automatically analyze a large set of data as you want us to play?
Is it flat betting?
So this website is infected by a Gestapo of text styling.I don't care that I need to format all text as size 10. I just lost my response privileges to a style algorithm.
Thanks Gizmo, many of us lost souls in a roulette world...
Many people learn the best and the fastest if they know first off where they are headed.
If I were to go the route of making an app that wins that app would be a set of rules.
So Why not teach as if it were a simple set of rules.
When I taught my ten students, I taught them to look for any characteristic that has repeated 4 times in a row in the last 4 spins.
That's a great way to get in on the big deal streaks but it's also a good way to experience a lot of losses.
My big deal secret of the past two years is to get the a win at the first move more often. You need a win at double your positive progression's starting value. Here is an example: 28 on one twelve and 28 on another twelve numbers. The win will be 28. You now cut that in half to 14 and 14 for a no risk try.
So the secret is that waiting for 4 repeats is a huge mistake. It's best to use probability in your favor. You need to learn how to win after one or two repeats. Now there can be hundreds of threads at this forum discussing just this first move. So have at it experts. I have things to do today. So I will be in and out for a while. Enjoy.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 07, 2016, 03:15:26 PM
When a newbie says,
Bet marthy EC, fixed color, for 10 spins,
Or,
Bet follow the last, for 10spins marthy,
Soon, the math boys wiil howl..."FOOLLLLLLL" "!!!
You will lose SOOOON...
Then , the newbie asked, IF it so sure, to lose soon,
Then why not reversed the bet as it may SOON...hit..?
The mathboy just keep quiet...
He's a fool not for using a particular bet selection, but for using a suicidal progression. For the 948,623,678,499
th time, all bet selections are the same. There's nothing wrong with waiting for 15 reds then betting black, but why wait when you have the exact same chance of a win when betting on a random color straight away?
It's really simple if you allow it to be simple. Try to get to a position where you have won the equivalent of one single bet against any 24 numbers for whatever reason you may have selected those 24 numbers. It could be lose, win win win to equal one win up. It could be win on the first bet tried to equal one win up. That's why I track the effectiveness condition. You can use the characteristics of randomness and you will still have streaks of everything losing. Obviously you need a way to avoid those times. Now somebody here must be smart enough to know or suggest how to avoid a straight down, losing trend.
Waiting for triggers (virtual bets)?
And here I used to think that the Gizmotron and the Garnabby were the same cat, hey hey.
Quote from: from100 on August 07, 2016, 05:10:12 PM
Waiting for triggers (virtual bets)?
For years I would walk into a casino and just start betting without looking before I would leap. It's wise to place some virtual bets in your mind before you buy in. I'm going to look back a few posts and re-post a chart that I found in the first 150 spins of my training software.If you want to follow my training then you are going to have to learn to read my playing charts. The topic here is reading randomness and winning enough to get out of a session with your winnings. You do that almost every time and the mathematics go right out the door.
Look at this to see what I see. There is a very strong global effect occurring in the third set of dozens from the left to the right.
Can you see it?
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
| X | X | X | X | -- 2
| X | X | X | X | -- 0
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 4
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
| X | X | X | X | -- 4
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
|-------------------| X | X | -- 0
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
| X | X | X | X | -- 5
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
| X | X | X | X | -- 3
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
|-------------------| X | X | -- 0
| X | X | X | X | -- 2
|-------------------| X | X | -- 0
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 4
| X | X | X | X | -- 5
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
| X | X | X | X | -- 2
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
| X | X | X | X | -- 5
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 4
| X | X | X | X | -- 3
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
| X | X | X | X | -- 3
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
| X | X | X | X | -- 4
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
| X | X | X | X | -- 8
I have to ask. Are these charts lining up or are they not in code mode?
Just a quick note.
Thanks Gizmotron for what you intend to do.
I shall be reading with great interest and am confident you will succeed in communicating that which is worthwhile. Remember of course that it is worthwhile communicating with those ( few) 'who have eyes to see, or ears to hear' - ie, an attitude ( a manner of thinking + feeling ) of being 'open' and 'responsive' to ideas that challenge the currently accepted norms. Others may be dismissive or closed to change but stop/ go is the manner of human progress , ie closed/ open as polarities of our miracle of consciousness.
The occasional nihilist remarks from Mike are amusing and of course when taken to the boundaries of mainstream experience are absurd. Ask him also to address some questions to Thomas. The Magician, although you may find Thomas is smart enough to not get drawn in to such time consuming matters. From what he has made public already there is no need to explain further but instead admire.
Mike acts as if there are no professional players in roulette, or successful long term winners, perhaps in any casino game. Outside of his sphere of comfortable rationalisation astonishing progress has been made in much more accessible research into roulette. What had been thought impossible is becoming more possible, but that is not my story to tell. I am sure the next 5 years will see remarkable revelations. So good hunting to Gizmo and his followers.
Quote from: XXVV on August 08, 2016, 01:34:34 AM
The occasional nihilist remarks from Mike are amusing and of course when taken to the boundaries of mainstream experience are absurd. Ask him also to address some questions to Thomas. The Magician, although you may find Thomas is smart enough to not get drawn in to such time consuming matters. From what he has made public already there is no need to explain further but instead admire.
Checkmate.
Is Thomas the Magician?
I never expected a war of beliefs to break out. I keep a huge secret about randomness and tell it openly and it's not even seen as a solution to the quest of the Holy Grail. This is funny. The only way most people here can see is by following a Pied Piper for A Rat People. The only way they will know anything is when it is far too late. If I want to drop the bomb I need to write the app after all.
Are there no people that can see the global effect in the chart above?
This is it folks, no fees to be taught. I will disclose everything here, once for all. People go Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs for the latest mindless system yet finding out what really works leaves them in a state of limbo. Funny how human nature works isn't it?
Gizmo, you posted after I turn off laptop in the evening and, in Europe, we are just waking up!
In your 3rd dozen I only see that chops are becoming rare?!
Few questions more, if that is all right:
If that are dozens, how come there 4 of them?
What are the numbers on the right.
Sorry if it is all known stuff, but for me it first time....
Thanks
@ XXVV,
QuoteThe occasional nihilist remarks from Mike are amusing and of course when taken to the boundaries of mainstream experience are absurd.
Your use of the word "nihilistic" is on the one hand entirely inappropriate here given that it means:
Quotenihilistic
adjective
rejecting all religious and moral principles in the belief that life is meaningless.
I'm not suggesting that life is meaningless, only that bet selections in the game of roulette are. On the other hand, it's strangely appropriate in the sense that belief in bet selection is indeed a religion for adherents because they can't or won't understand or accept the self-evident truth that spins are independent, and the implications of that fact. Believers in bet selections won't accept evidence contrary to their beliefs, just as millions of people believe that the earth is only 6000 years old, contrary to the overwhelming evidence that it isn't. The belief comes not from any evidence or lack of it, but just from their desire to believe.
QuoteAsk him also to address some questions to Thomas. The Magician, although you may find Thomas is smart enough to not get drawn in to such time consuming matters. From what he has made public already there is no need to explain further but instead admire.
Ah yes, the "magician". It's a source of continual amazement to me that all someone has to do on a forum to elevate his status to that of a guru is merely make assertions, and perhaps post some unverified stats. It helps if the idea is novel and draws concepts from some esoteric scientific discipline to give it an appearance of science (more Physics envy). The superficiality is breathtaking. Such is the case with Winkel, Kimo Li and others. It's a triumph of style over substance. All you have to do to become a true believer (and admirer of these gurus) is abandon your critical faculties.
QuoteMike acts as if there are no professional players in roulette, or successful long term winners, perhaps in any casino game.
No. You're attacking a straw man. There are indeed professional roulette players, but they target the gaming device, not the game. The games are designed to be profitable for the casino, not the player (with a couple of notable exceptions). Any "professional" player of the GAME won't be professional for long. Looking for chinks in the armour of the GAME is a highway to nowhere, that's why casinos make every effort to ensure that the gaming device generates spins which are as random as possible.
QuoteOutside of his sphere of comfortable rationalisation astonishing progress has been made in much more accessible research into roulette.
Oh really? And where can we read about this astonishing progress? On roulette forums? Please post some links to scientific papers or serious academic studies which reveal the extent of this "astonishing progress".
From100,
It's not already known stuff unless anyone has figured it out from my posts of the past decade.
Rather than interesting observations, yes there is a trend where singles are absent any big deal streaks. What's really huge is the fact that when it changes sleeping in one part of the set it sleeps for a good stretch in another part right after it. It's a perfect example of the global effect. You could destroy a casino with this trend if you had the bankroll.
Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 07:15:55 AM
I'm not suggesting that life is meaningless, only that bet selections in the game of roulette are.
These bet selections must be especially meaningless when they appear to produce the three possible states of effectiveness. And if you are too afraid to look I will make it easy for you. Any bet selection, no matter how derived at, must produce a form of the three states. And that my dear boy is meaning.
Does it mean that the same structure appears regularly?
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 08, 2016, 07:39:07 AM
Any bet selection, no matter how derived at, must produce a form of the three states. And that my dear boy is meaning.
Yes there is meaning in the sense that one of the states must manifest at different times for any given bet selection (although your "states" are to some extent artificial and arbitrary). However, bet selections are meaningless in that they entirely fail in their intended aim, which is to (a) produce more wins than are dictated by expectation (call this the "strong" form) or (b) reduce variance (call this the "weak" form).
Of course you disagree, but let's see...
Quote from: from100 on August 08, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
Does it mean that the same structure appears regularly?
A structure like that appears at least once a day or two in every active casino in the world. The global effect has many types. I guess I had better go into what the global effect looks like in its many forms. It does it for sleepers, for patterns, for singles, and for the effectiveness trend. What it is in its basic form is that it's a trend of a specific characteristic of randomness. In a way it's a "tell" like a very bad poker face. Randomness goes into sequences of repetition that flows like a current in a stream or river. You easily accept that a perfect sequence happening, that kills the most unlikely combination of events that it would take to kill a progression, occurs often enough to prove that the house advantage always prevails. This same randomness produces perfect sequences that appear to act as a tell. "If you don't know who the patsy is, you are the patsy."
I think that I understand the meaning of your chart now - it is one 180 spins session of following dozens as they come!
Maybe few more words about what is the meaning of few separate parts (were there zeroes?) and numbers?
Thanks
Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 07:50:42 AM
Yes there is meaning in the sense that one of the states must manifest at different times for any given bet selection (although your "states" are to some extent artificial and arbitrary). However, bet selections are meaningless in that they entirely fail in their intended aim, which is to (a) produce more wins than are dictated by expectation (call this the "strong" form) or (b) reduce variance (call this the "weak" form).
Of course you disagree, but let's see...
I guess you like being wrong. These observations are "artificial and arbitrary," and that is true. Because all spins results are independent, these forms of identification are all imaginative forms of structure. There is no cause for them to take the semblance of form. I could care less if they can't predict the future or that they exist because of meaningless observation. The point is that they exist, if only in my imagination. The point is, they are exploitable. That's the part that troubles you. You think that I can't take advantage of perfect sequences. The real issue here for you is, do perfect sequences exist? I say they do. I know this because I search for them. What's funny to me is you search for them too. You know that perfect sequences kill progressions no matter how elaborate they are constructed. So you accept a perfect sequence if it defeats a progression but you fail to accept a perfect sequence if it comes in the form of a perfect repeating trend. Put that in your math pipe and smoke it.
Quote from: from100 on August 08, 2016, 08:26:58 AM
I think that I understand the meaning of your chart now - it is one 180 spins session of following dozens as they come!
Maybe few more words about what is the meaning of few separate parts (were there zeroes?) and numbers?
Thanks
That chart has the ten possible "Finale" results included at the end of each line. This chart was based on the double zero American wheels. Two of my sets are based on pet sets of dozens based on positions in the wheel, like Kimo Li style only my own configurations. I'm showing the chart so that you can learn to see the trends the way that I see them. If you chart your own sets of spins you can learn to see all kinds of trends. If you want to beat the casino all you have to do is find a trend that continues and milk it for all that it is worth.
Are X's written in Matrix way, or in columns?
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 08, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
So you accept a perfect sequence if it defeats a progression but you fail to accept a perfect sequence if it comes in the form of a perfect repeating trend. [/font]
Not quite. I accept that "perfect" sequences exist which will make large profits if using a progression, just as there are sequences which bust other (negative) progressions. You can't have one without the other in a random game. What I dispute is that there is any way of telling whether any upcoming sequence is more likely than another. And you HAVE to know this in order to make a long-term profit. There's no way around it. And the reason you can't tell what sequence is coming up is that spins are independent. Sorry to keep repeating myself but I do it because it's repeatedly ignored (the "inconvenient truth").
If you can't increase the accuracy of your predictions you're left with nothing but perfect balance with respect to winning and losing sequences. At best you break even, throw in the house edge and you lose.
It's really very simple to understand, no math pipe needed, just simple logic.
Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
If you can't increase the accuracy of your predictions...
But Gizmo says that he will show us how to do it.
If you'll just let him....
Quote from: from100 on August 08, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
Are X's written in Matrix way, or in columns?
Columns running down. At a casino I use index cards with the same columns. It only takes a few seconds to add the X's and to add what the actual number hit was. There are 4 sets. The first two sets from the left have 12 numbers in each position. Set one is the dozens, 1 to 12, 13 to 24, and 25 to 36. Set two is the columns. Set three and four have 12, 12, and 14 respectively where the zero and double zero are also included.
Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
... What I dispute is that there is any way of telling whether any upcoming sequence is more likely than another. And you HAVE to know this in order to make a long-term profit. There's no way around it. And the reason you can't tell what sequence is coming up is that spins are independent. Sorry to keep repeating myself but I do it because it's repeatedly ignored (the "inconvenient truth").
I don't have to know what's coming up. I just have to stay close to even while waiting for the randomness to act like it is running some kind of trend characteristic. We both agree that it is not actually lining up because of any knowable cause. So in that regard you have always been right. But, as my chart example clearly shows, a very common example of the global effect is in full view. I know how to far surpass staying close to even while waiting for this kind of an opportunity. The human brain can recognize patterns very easily. I would know that a possible pattern of continuing sleepers was possibly forming. I would have seen the global, over all trend characteristic, effect by half way through the third occurrence of the continuing effect. That would mean that I could have easily exploited my seven step progression. In fact I would reach the table maximum for each straight up bet and stayed there until the global effect subsided. This is what I do. I attack the continuing pattern, being it sleepers or singles or actual pattern formations like hit hit not-hit. You can see pattern shapes in my charts if you try to see them. They continue also.Your problem is that you think I can't predict when they will occur with enough degree of accuracy to make up for any losses. When you wrap your head around winning first and second bets, that waging a war against the casino based on just staying close to even is the primary strategy, then you will perhaps come to realize that the streaks of singles and sleepers are just icing on the cake for the taking. I'm not taken out by equivalent down trends. I avoid them. Perhaps you might recall your recognition of the three states?
Here is the seven step progression: You have a 61% or 64% chance to win the first bet. (37 or 38 numbers)
28 28 on a win the next bet is a free shot 28 / 2 = (14 & 14)
14 14 take off 6 on a win, taken so far = 6
18 18 take off 6 on a win, taken so far = 12
24 24 take off 8 on a win, taken so far = 20
32 32 take off 16 on a win, taken so far = 36
40 40 take off 40 on a win, taken so far = 76
40 40 take off 120 on a win and keep it all. Taken at the end = 196
As you can see, you collect winnings as you go. If you are in a detected trend that appears to be continuing and the effectiveness state is also favorable, and even add to that that the global effect is also working favorably, then that would be the best time to try a seven step graduated progression. You don't have to use these numbers in your progression. It's just an example of a positive progression that pays you something you can keep, as you proceed. You don't need to be locked into seven steps either. I've seen global effects that show a clear possibility if you only use three steps at a time. This all comes down to trend recognition and playing experience. That's why I created my training software.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 10, 2012, 04:08:49 AM
Roulette Marquee 3.2 now released.
This upgrade allows you to place bets. It tracks each bet and keeps a running total.
Press spin to start. I always run out 12 spins before I ever place bets.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 08, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
Dear Gizmotron,
With respect.
May you please teach,
What the "THREE STATE",
that must occur?
Thanks in advance.
The three states of effectiveness are:
1.) Works great. You win on every spin or almost every spin.
2.) Works badly. You lose on every spin or almost every spin.
3.) Works in-between. You win as much as you lose. It just grinds away getting nowhere.
Whatever you do you get something that leans toward one of these three states at a stretch. It can jump quickly from state to state too. You can have the very best bet selection process and it will produce these three effectiveness states no matter what you do. Perhaps that is not true for VB but Homey don't play that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 08, 2016, 02:36:16 PM
The three states of effectiveness are:
1.) Works great. You win on every spin or almost every spin.
2.) Works ybadly. You lose on every spin or almost every spin.
3.) Works in-between. You win as much as you lose. It just grinds away getting nowhere.
Whatever you do you get something that leans toward one of these three states at a stretch. Itbut Homey don't play that.
Lol. Love the reference.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 08, 2016, 03:09:46 PM
Dear Gizmotron,
I try very hard, but can't see what you mean,
Please teach and tell , what the global effect.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Gizmotron,
I solved your code.
Would you like me to post it?
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on August 08, 2016, 04:35:32 PM
Hi Gizmotron,
I solved your code.
Would you like me to post it?
Kimo Li
Sure, go ahead please.
I won't post the code, out of respect.
I will post the spins and your special groupings.
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That's brilliant. You must be chronically bored.
| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P S N | -- chart designations
| X | X | X | X | -- 9
| X | X | X | X | -- 6
| X | X | X | X | -- 7
| X | X | X | X | -- 1
put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12," into d1 -- goes with 1
put "13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24," into d2 -- goes with 2
put "25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36," into d3 -- goes with 3
put "1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34," into c1 -- goes with A
put "2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35," into c2 -- goes with B
put "3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36," into c3 -- goes with C
put "38,37,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36," into p1 -- goes with 0
put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into p2 -- goes with 3
put "5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into p3 -- goes with 6
put "1,2,5,6,17,18,27,28,31,32,37,38," into primes -- goes with P
put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into spokes -- goes with S
put "9,10,13,14,19,20,21,22,25,26,33,34,35,36," into nots -- goes with N
Now you can see how close you got.
So let's look at a new chart from my practice software Vs 3.2
| A B C | 1 2 3 | | B R | L H | O E | -- ## -- Line
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 18 -- 1
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 6 -- 2
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 12 -- 3
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 25 -- 4
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 7 -- 5
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 30 -- 6
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 23 -- 7
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 21 -- 8
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 6 -- 9
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 15 -- 10
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 31 -- 11
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 28 -- 12
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 28 -- 13
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 14 -- 14
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 36 -- 15
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 14 -- 16
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 36 -- 17
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 18
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 30 -- 19
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 6 -- 20
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 13 -- 21
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 9 -- 22
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| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 33 -- 50
18,6,12,25,7,30,23,21,6,15,31,28,28,14,36,14,36,32,30,6,13,9,35,3,00,16,30,22,32,00,0,32,00,17,10,23,36,11,17,19,31,3,13,33,17,7,5,10,2,33,
This list of spins can be added to my software and loaded in so that you can see it in the chart. A comma delimited list of spins can be shared in order to show examples of randomness characteristics.
In the above chart you can see a swarm of the zeros. Some times the zeros are very active and other times they seem to sleep for a long time.
QuoteIn the above chart you can see a swarm of the zeros. Some times the zeros are very active and other times they seem to sleep for a long time.
That's what threw me off, 37 and 38. I factored in 21 and 22.
By the way, I use 37 and 38 to represent zeros in my analysis.
Great puzzle!
B= black R = Red
O=Odd E = even
H=High L=Low
1 2 3 - Columns 1 2 and 3
What do the A B C columns mean ?
Quote from: tdx on August 09, 2016, 01:24:15 AM
What do the A B C columns mean ?
A = 1 to 12
B = 13 to 24
C = 25 to 36
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 09, 2016, 03:02:54 AM
In dozen probability,
The series and single of dozen to repeat,
are around 66% & 33%,
I think,
Thus, if no streaks, hit, after 100bets place,
Thus the losses, will around 33time, for double dozen,
66time will get back capital.
And single dozen, will lose, 66time, and 33time will get back 1u capital.
Thus lose 33u capital.
Just my half cent.
Thanks
That's what I call balance. It takes two wins to balance one loss. But think about this. If you win the first bet but lose the second you have only lost half. So on the third bet, after a second bet loss, if you win, you are back to even. Balance in the double dozen bets are different than the even chance bets.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 09, 2016, 03:29:08 AM
Thus if we bet SINGLE DOZEN,
The bet start with 1u.
1st win=2u. keep the 1u, bet 2 next.
..win=4.
..win=12.
win=36
win=108
win=324=486-1=485u [6th win]
7th win=1458-1u=1457u
The only time I bet single dozens is when there is a very powerful global effect or a perfect occurring pattern.
But you should really look at 2 units on your target dozen and 1 unit on your most likely to hit other dozen type bets. If you hit the side bet with 1 unit on it your break even. If it hits the target you have 3 units won. So the risk is 50/50 with the pay being break even or 3 units risked for 3 units won. But here is the good news. You have a 61% or 64% chance of winning each bet. This too has a balance point. Playing to the balance point is the best way to stay close to even.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 09, 2016, 03:58:34 AM
2u, on dozen one .
and a unit on a column???
I mean twice as much on dozen one and half of that on dozen two or dozen three.
Thanks again Gizmo!
Lot to look at today... ;D
In Croatia we have PSN as 3 days of the weekend...
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 10, 2016, 12:10:54 AM
My posting gone?
Not gone, just moved to the "re" thread. Here's the deal, I wanted to focus on the things that I have kept sort of cryptic, yet still here at the bet selection forum. You want to pursue your own interests tangentially off of anything I have to say. I'm not talking here to make people think that progressions are the holy grail. I'm trying to open people's minds to the advantages of trends as seen as a set of tools and skills. So I will continue to attempt to stay on topic. Your information is still here and I won't delete any of it. I just intend to move all your stuff that is declarative. I'm the one that knows what is useful for this thread and will respond to all questions that are about using trends for bet selection choices. Progressions are mindless attempts to enrich a persons life. They only work if the targeting mechanism is based on coincidental advantage. I'm here right now in this thread ready to teach you how to see that advantage. If you want to bloviate for your quest to see only what you want to see then I will continue to segregate your efforts to contribute.
Hi Mark ,
Sorry for the late reply. Been busy in RX. Testing some stuff of TurboGenius. I'm gonna read this topic a few times first so I understand what's going on. I'll shoot questions later. Btw it's very annoying people already say it doesn't work b4 getting the full data. >:(
Much appreciated for your kindness here
Denzie
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Notice how the singles flow together and the repeats flow together. If you can't see that then you can't read the charts from top to bottom.
Yes, lots of chops here, only few flocks.
Do you wait for some 3-4 chops to pass and then try attacking?
Actually I don't necessarily attack at all. People want to know how I win those first bets at 28 & 28. They want to know how I stay close to even. There's just enough edge here in knowing that the singles are dominating at times or repeats are dominating at times. I adjust my attempts to win several of those first bets by taking notice of the dominating conditions, so later I will have them added up into an opportunity wallet. You don't have to get that first win and go right into using it. You can wait to use it at a better time, a time to attack.
If you fill those empty spaces with "s" then you see things very clear :)
Quote from: Denzie on August 10, 2016, 06:19:24 PM
If you fill those empty spaces with "s" then you see things very clear :)
When I play live at a casino I take index cards and turn them vertical. I darken every third line with ink. That way I can see the spaces but still tell the difference between sets. I found that placing anything in the not hit (sleeper) positions clutters it to the point that good visual dexterity is hampered to the point of it being so cluttered that seeing the sleepers and the clusters of repeats are almost indeterminable. I do understand that many here have trained themselves to read charts as Matrix style.
I can see patterns, singles, and sleepers in four different sets of dozens in just a few seconds. You must be able to see the trends in just a few seconds. I can keep up with the Rapid Roulette game. It's much easier at a real table with several players making bets. It takes about five seconds to write down 4 X's. After that I look for the changes. I then make my choices and place my bets. When I play I have to get 24 to 26 straight up bets placed before the cut off point occurs.
Can you really do that with a cluttered chart?
Thanks Gizmo!
Any chance that we can see the posts that BeatTheWheel posted?
I can't find it anywhere...
Quote from: from100 on August 11, 2016, 07:11:09 AM
Any chance that we can see the posts that BeatTheWheel posted?
I can't find it anywhere...
I didn't delete them. The re thread re titled posts that were done by me and others too. It added "re" to the titles of some posts. That being said BEAT-THE-WHEEL deleted text from one of his remaining posts.
Then he went on to do some kind of interpretation of what I've been talking about for years.
Elegant Patterns, and the topic is clearly published that way everywhere for the past decade. They are not called Elegance. I've only seen six of them in the past 25 years. Still, it would be a mistake to ignore them.
Reading Randomness, the prerequisite to making an educated guess. I've posted at length at this forum a list of random characteristic as revealed in my simple to use charting method. It's one thing to see trends all over the place and entirely another how to take advantage of it.
Reasonable expectation has been a primary topic in playing Roulette for the past decade on every forum I have frequented.
Discipline is a tactic that must be adhered to if you actually want to make a living from playing Roulette.
The characteristic, Global Effect, the name comes from global variables that are useful throughout many functions and object oriented type programming languages. They imply an overallness to them.
I'm once again focusing on them. They don't always appear in the charts, but when they do they telegraph a type of "Tell" that lets you know that a type of trend is reappearing in different locations but consistently.
The Effectiveness State, It's a must know if you plan to become disciplined.
I haven't openly taught when to start following a trend characteristic with bets. I suppose some clever name is needed for that, ... not.
When I teach students privately, I focus on the simplification of tactics and methods. I have found that some techniques around here, for trend identification, are so extraneous that actually seeing a trend in time becomes some kind of deliberate self sabotage. I have no interest in off topic revelations. I know what works and what does not work. I have several people that wish to be instructed privately. I forgot what a hassle it is to have people use these forums as some kind of knitting club for gabbing.
If you want to see what I really think, then PM me and I will proceed as I did before with students four years ago. This time you get the trick to getting those first bets in your favor. People ask me questions right where they are not seeing something. I answer all the questions and guide each student though actual examples using my teaching software. I will give these students two years before I will consider publishing my full disclosure. That's fair. I'm sure Mike will claim I' not keeping my word or some disingenuous like that. You just have to live with people that think they know everything.
I've started an invitation only forum (school) where I will teach everyone at once. Because of this I will discount the cost by as much as 100% People at the forum will openly be able to discuss each facet of characteristic training. When I taught before I went over the same ground for each person, one at a time. That took 35 to 50 hours of instruction for each times 10 = 500 hours work. This better way will allow me to answer a question that might apply to all. Everyone will get a better education.
I just started adding to it so I want to get several teaching topics written before opening my school.
There will be a section for students to talk about their achievements too. This group will be the one that changes gambling forever. One thing that I loved about teaching. Nobody took the training off topic. That's impossible in these open forums. I like instructing something that is actually wanted.
How does one get invited?
What is the cost before your discretionary discounts?
How can you guarantee the open forum lessons will stay on track without off topic banter?
How long do you estimate it will take for your students to graduate?
Could your teachings be migrated to your students' preferred bet selection methods?
Quote from: greenguy on August 17, 2016, 06:28:52 AM
1.) How does one get invited?
2.) What is the cost before your discretionary discounts?
3.) How can you guarantee the open forum lessons will stay on track without off topic banter?
4.) How long do you estimate it will take for your students to graduate?
5.) Could your teachings be migrated to your students' preferred bet selection methods?
Answers:
1.) PM me for now.
2.) $200 USD That's all. There will not be further costs and you will be shown how to consistently beat Roulette the only way it can be beat.
3. My ten students from four years ago wanted to actually learn. That motivation is why it will stay on topic. If people want to take what works and bastardize it into something that does not work then I might be forced to take actions. People that disrupt the school will be dealt with.
4. I'm teaching a nearly mechanical method that takes into count for opportunistic conditions. You can learn what to do if you apply yourself. How can you put a time on that? It took about 35 to 50 hours of discussion on a live chat process to teach before. This should be way faster because I'm writing it down once for all to see at once.
5.) I would not recommend migrating the method to anything inferior. If you want to specialize in your own sets of dozens, that will work. If you only want to deal with even chance bets that will work too. If you want to create your own method based on a single double street at a time you can do that. You can even apply it to Baccarat. It's just that there are more opportunities with sets of dozens.
It is presumed that the systems taught will apply to roulette with 2 zeroes.
Quote from: james on August 17, 2016, 02:58:09 PM
It is presumed that the systems taught will apply to roulette with 2 zeroes.
Not a problem. I have one set of dozens that include the zeros. If you have read any of my writings you may have noticed that the zeros get extremely active and they also go to sleep for several cycles of 37/38 spins at a time. The entire point of my method is to read the existing environment. So my method applies to both European and American wheels.
Have you put everything on the line yet?
It's been a while!!!!
Not my for my sake, I don't play roulette, others might want to get their head around everything you put on the line?
Turns out.......you actually have to pay for that stuff "on the line".....
.......who saw this coming? :o
Although........$200 for the secret method to beat a game unbeaten in over 200 years...........sounds almost too good to be true.
Probably legit...............right?
Quote from: TheLaw on August 17, 2016, 08:34:51 PM
Turns out.......you actually have to pay for that stuff "on the line".....
.......who saw this coming? :o
Although........$200 for the secret method to beat a game unbeaten in over 200 years...........sounds almost too good to be true.
Probably legit...............right?
Four to five years ago I proposed teaching 10 students. I stuck to my word. I stopped at 10 students.
Did you see that coming?
This is my plan now. Write a school course much the same as those individual chats, and publish it for less than half the price of the first time around. Add so many specifics that it can only be seen as a rule based system or method. Open up the chance that it will be discovered soon. Give those that paid a real chance to earn their money before the casinos catch up with it. Embarrass the heck out of the wise guys that condemn the process.
QuoteI stuck to my word.
How about you try doing this again.........and put it "all on the line"..........just a thought. ???
Quote from: TheLaw on August 17, 2016, 09:51:12 PM
How about you try doing this again.........and put it "all on the line"..........just a thought. ???
Why don't you get someone else to spend hundreds of hours teaching you. I'm sorry that you are put out. Life isn't always what you demand it to be.
Glad you found a system that works..........to bad it's on the wallets of other members.
Cheers! :)
Quote from: TheLaw on August 18, 2016, 01:36:07 AM
Glad you found a system that works..........to bad it's on the wallets of other members.
Cheers! :)
You are funny. People need people like you. They love people that try to impress others. They even like it more when they know it's because of basic insecurity that they grand stand in the first place.
Anything worth something is worth paying for. You don't have to buy it just to justify your cheapness. And please don't tell me that the victims of this world need a free hand up. This is a gambling forum. I blow my fee on one bet when I'm attacking the game. This is not about getting money. This is about weeding out the wannabees.
Funny.
Gizmo is this a mechanical method or not? I don't understand what the purpose of the private forum is. If the method is mechanical or almost mechanical then why not just write up a pdf and provide back up support for those who have paid for it.
I would be prepared to pay $200 for a detailed and comprehensive set of instructions, with examples, of how to play your method. If I have any doubts or questions the forum could be used to address these, but I'm not attracted to the idea of the method being presented solely by forum posts. For one thing I don't like reading a lot of text online, I want a pdf I can print out and study - something concrete for my money. Then there's the issue of forum members taking the threads off-topic, petty squabbling etc.
You could write a little book on how to use the system and sell it on Ebay or Amazon. Have both ebook and hardcopy options. It's easy to self-publish these days with createspace (Amazon). Then just sell as many copies as you want and provide a url to the support forum in the book.
Jake, that's interesting but I'm not inclined to provide a hack-able document that would easily render what I'm doing in this stage obsolete. To win you must follow the steps. These steps must be clear in your mind. At the forum I have written them down. People can ask questions about each step. I hope that these steps are very simple to understand. It's the implementation of these steps that make the method work. I want to know that each step is understood. This is mentoring by discussion. There are a lot of people interested and signing up. This is their system once I give it to them. Guarding the opportunity is one of the processes of keeping it private. Why would anyone pay for it if they had no reason to use it. BTW, it's sort of here in my writings. I've just put it together as a step by step process at my school.
Gizmo, it doesn't have to be hackable if you make it hardcopy only. In that case it won't be easily distributable because it won't be an electronic document, although if someone's determined enough they can always scan it. There's no foolproof way to protect it, really. If the method is explained on a forum then it can easily be copied and pasted into a word doc.
Anyway it's your choice of course. I assume you'll only be accepting a limited number of people on the forum on a first come, first served basis. I know testimonials don't really prove anything but I'd like to hear from any members who have learned your method.
If you write a manual and email it to someone, it will be copied and emailed to Macau, Vegas, Singapore, Australia etc etc in 24 hours so you are limited to only very few manuals you can sell.
To make money selling a method, you have to keep making "improvements" ( the Gold version or the Platinum version etc etc etc ) to the original method and sell them as a new updated better version of the original system and charge for live seminars to explain the new and improved method.......or start a school and charge a fee for the school.
Personally I feel if someone has the money to spend on this stuff, that's their right............just don't expect to become a millionaire.
Copy protection is impossible these days. Just look at Hillary's email for an example.
I'm not really in this for the money. I expect this method to get out there someday. Just not before those that learn it become experts at taking down the casinos. I want them to have their chance. It could take a few years. This time they will be drilled in examples so that it is totally clear that they know what they are doing. I've taken a complicated method and deliberately simplified it. How long can that remain a secret? The casinos will adjust to it. You watch. It's not magic. There is no secret weakness to make the casinos fear it. It's just pure logic. But having it explained to the masses will in fact scare them.
I hope there is time for those that are joining in on this. Even if it were published it still takes experience to execute it. I'm trying to pass on that experience as fast as I can.
So it's going good. The students are asking questions and the answers are filling in the gaps. I fixed the Parlay thanks to Rick that noticed I published it wrong. I even fixed it here in case some of you noticed it. It's still a powerful tool if you can find a good time to use it.
So, should I try to get more people in the school? How do you do that? I already cut the price to less than half of the original price and I also added a specific tactic that actually works. It's all simplified into a simple to execute method. I'm discovering that each individual has a way of tweaking it to their own personal taste. I find that very interesting. It's going to morph slightly. That alone is very cool. I have not mentioned this outside of betselection.cc anywhere. Should I?
Mark
QuoteSo, should I try to get more people in the school?
Good question Gizmo.
On the one hand, you did promise to only accept 10 students........"you gave your word".........
On the other hand, you haven't kept your word up until now............so might was well.
Looking forward to hearing more about your fantasy school where you teach students how to win at Roulette!!!Cheers! :)
Quote from: TheLaw on August 22, 2016, 10:50:29 PM
Good question Gizmo.
On the one hand, you did promise to only accept 10 students........"you gave your word".........
On the other hand, you haven't kept your word up until now............so might was well.
Looking forward to hearing more about your fantasy school where you teach students how to win at Roulette!!!
Cheers! :)
So this whole thing started because Mike ticked me off. You at least openly discuss it as if it's pure excrement.
So here is the deal with the first ten. I taught them and then waited two years. Then I published almost all the secrets here for the next three years. Then I got ticked off. Screw those that think I owe the world my silence and that includes anyone trying to lay a guilt trip on me. Know anyone?
In that time I discovered something Spike tried to suggest to me. He can get thrown under the bus too. I'm acting on what his suggestions meant to me, even if they were not what he meant in the first place. No matter what, I discovered two very new things that are very important to my method. So here we are. I told the first ten that they had two years for sure. I kept my word. If that isn't good enough for you then you can eat the sentiments of the implication of my school's impression on you. The Law, are you a narcissistic effigy of a symptom gone wild? That's right, you dish it out, but can you take it.
QuoteThat's right, you dish it out, but can you take it.
Well......when I make a promise.......I keep it.
All of this drama you've created around your "method" looks like more smoke and mirrors. If you do have a working method, you sure have a strange way of describing it.
Bottom line : In well over a decade on Roulette forums + the 200+ years the game has been in play, we have yet to see a method that wins long-term.
Now.......you claim that you have taught this method to 10 "students", who are strangely absent, and now you are teaching more..........for a price.
With all due respect Gizmotron.........you might be the emperor..............but as everyone can see....you are wearing no clothes. 8)
Perhaps Lawman, but has everything really all been said? You are just a protagonist insinuating that your are most likely correct.
I have fought the good fight for ten years with educated guessing, reading randomness, elegant patterns, global effect, effectiveness states, and a full list of the characteristics of randomness. I even told everyone to look at the short duration trends.
All you have done is chant "independent spins can't predict the future." Like we don't know that. jeez
QuoteAll you have done is chant "independent spins can't predict the future." Like we don't know that. jeez
Never said or wrote that.
Great claims require great evidence..........you have shown none........and now you want respect.
Respect is earned........not from "hints" or "riddles" , but actual detailed explanation of a method.
When you have a method to show........without all of the song-and-dance victim mentality.......I'm all ears.......and I'll be the first to applaud you.You act like talking about Roulette.......is like dancing about architecture. :o
Quote from: TheLaw on August 23, 2016, 12:38:58 AM
You act like talking about Roulette.......is like dancing about architecture. :o
I assure you that chewing up architects for a living was the national pastime for me. But that is another story. Here's the dirty little secret. County inspectors or rejects from architect's school who think they are qualified engineers. And architects themselves are lazy intellectuals that think they can bluff their way through their own mistakes. Here's the professional secret. When they charge you to fix their F-Ups, you charge them right back for the same amount, for pointing them out in the first place. It doesn't completely suck to be the builder in charge.
Better try a new metaphor bub.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 12:54:24 AM
I assure you that chewing up architects for a living was the national pastime for me. But that is another story. Here's the dirty little secret. County inspectors or rejects from architect's school who think they are qualified engineers. And architects themselves are lazy intellectuals that think they can bluff their way through their own mistakes. Here's the professional secret. When they charge you to fix their F-Ups, you charge them right back for the same amount, for pointing them out in the first place. It doesn't completely suck to be the builder in charge.
Better try a new metaphor bub.
Actually.........it's a quote from Martin Mull about art that I used here as a metaphor to describe your evasiveness regarding the discussion of Roulette.
Hint:........it has nothing to do with architecture.
It's my fault for talking over your head............please accept my apologies.
Cheers! 8)
Quote from: TheLaw on August 23, 2016, 01:18:11 AM
Actually.........it's a quote from Martin Mull about art that I used here as a metaphor to describe your evasiveness regarding the discussion of Roulette.
Hint:........it has nothing to do with architecture.
It's my fault for talking over your head............please accept my apologies.
Cheers! 8)
I'm not inept when it comes to communication and metaphorical references. I just tried to pull your chain. As far as that declaration of superiority regarding the same I do appreciate that narcissism indication once again. I will never be your narcissistic supply. ...There is no reason to yell. I have students that have been shown how to beat this game. It's so gratifying to see that. Too bad it's beyond your reach. Why don't you open a school for architects?
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 12:54:24 AM
I assure you that chewing up architects for a living was the national pastime for me. But that is another story. Here's the dirty little secret. County inspectors or rejects from architect's school who think they are qualified engineers. And architects themselves are lazy intellectuals that think they can bluff their way through their own mistakes. Here's the professional secret. When they charge you to fix their F-Ups, you charge them right back for the same amount, for pointing them out in the first place. It doesn't completely suck to be the builder in charge.
Better try a new metaphor bub.
Oh dear. Did I hear the word 'Architect' ?
In litigious USA would you care to be more specific as to the specific professional you cite?
This Architect ( xxvv) is not a 'lazy intellectual', and throughout my 43 years of professional practice ( domestic to commercial) in NZ, Australia, and overseas in pacific islands, as well as 12 years with a busy commercial practice in an emerging buoyant booming Port Moresby PNG, no one has ever accused me of that, but I have certainly heard and seen many viewpoints from Builders, sometimes very critical of course, but also sometimes offering congratulations.
Building is
a team effort and everyone, I mean everyone, is important to bring their collective skills to the table, where literally the end result is more than the sum of the parts, at best. At worst there are complications and as with any profession there are majors, mediums, and also minors. Like much in society our reputation is precious and yes we are only as good as our last work. Doctors can bury their mistakes but Architects have to grow vines to hide theirs (FLW).
In New Zealand, the tradition has been, until recently with increasing BIM documentation and some specialisation, that Architects were exceptional good all-rounders. We were able to do a lot of things really well, and adapted well to change or challenge because of relative isolation. The NZ farmer is also famous for the #8 wire solution, a tradition of improvisation and entrepreneurial flexibilty developed by necessity - the mother of invention.
So it is surprising Gizmo to hear you generalise so fundamentally in the land where my hero Frank Lloyd Wright ( he had his enemies also) and the ageless Frank Gehry ( some people hate his work also but refer to the Lou Ruvo Centre Hospital for Brain Health he designed in Las Vegas - seek the Founder's views on the role of the Architect there) produce wonders with very colourful very full lives - both did and will work into their nineties.
Never wise to generalise Gizmo because you lose credibility as there are always exceptions.
The gripes of Builders on house sites may be common but, as in all areas of life we do better when we realize we are all inter-dependent, and the trick ( which I try with students/ builders/clients) is to see the essential uniqueness in every individual and bring that, the best, out in everyone. Even a 10% strike rate makes a big difference in your life experience, and thus results.
Now we know that 'Mr' Law is quite challenging, to the point of cynicism, however view this as an opportunity ( thank 'Mr' Law) to dig deep and explain yourself with new found crystal clarity. Avoid generalisations as they are always flawed.
Kind regards
R. XXVV
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 01:34:46 AM
I'm not inept when it comes to communication and metaphorical references. I just tried to pull your chain. As far as that declaration of superiority regarding the same I do appreciate that narcissism indication once again. I will never be your narcissistic supply. ...There is no reason to yell. I have students that have been shown how to beat this game. It's so gratifying to see that. Too bad it's beyond your reach. Why don't you open a school for architects?
That's a great idea..........as it appears that I apparently know about as much about architecture.........as you do about Roulette..........or do I???????
Hell.......why not.......I'm the world's greatest architect!!!
Man.......this is easier than I thought.........thanks Gizmotron! 8) 8) 8)
So what Lawman. You are hooked on your own petard.
The question remains
Who can dance with building ?
Who can do it...
The playerS that are WINING at THE GAME
La La La
BETJACK
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 01:47:34 AM
So what Lawman. You are hooked on your own petard.
I think you mean: "hoisted by your own petard".
Now this is just sad........ :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: BetJack on August 23, 2016, 01:53:31 AM
The question remains
Who can dance with building ?
Who can do it...
The playerS that are WINING at THE GAME
La La La
BETJACK
Dancing is forbidden Betjack!!!
Don't try to turn this into another "Footloose" situation. ;D
After all these are just a promotion for roulette lessons?
And if you don't care about money then why do you charge 200 per head?
Sometimes you are contradicting yourself, perhaps not everyone has good memory and attention to details in order to read between the lines but I do, so you cannot fool me.
XXVV, that's a nice tome.
I was recalling my experience with the winner of the Northern California Architecture award for that year in the field of high density apartment complexes. I was the builder. They were the prize winners. They billed me for $25,000 back in 1985 money for being asked to explain parapets that seemed to hang in mid-air, parapets that they didn't see in their plans. You probably know that the connection of various units don't actually connect properly when there are 350 units of them. So we called them "the in the air a bit parapets." I thought it the absolute excess of hubris that they actually had the gall to charge me for a possible breach of contract had I actually built them. Anyone contracting with the bank investors knew they were required to build "as per plan." Those are words that stand up in court. You can take your "Teen Spirit" oops, team spirit and pound dirt. I billed the esteemed winner $25,000 for pointing out the FLAW and they never bothered me again. So stick up for your trade if you want to, but I'm never going to be a fan.
And just for name dropping references, my grandfather was the city engineer for Berkeley, Oakland, and San Rafael California. He worked with frank lloyd wright (https://www.google.com/search?q=frank+lloyd+wright&espv=2&biw=1271&bih=614&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjrmJuNutbOAhUQ9WMKHb0ZCU0QsAQIGw). Frank gave my grandmother the right to live at vikingsholm emerald bay for that relationship.
My nephew got a full boat ride to MIT in architectural engineering. He went back there to get his Masters too. I went to his graduation. I'm still the smartest a-hole in the room. So don't try to cheer lead your grand expression of existence to me. I'm a dyed in the wool, life long cynic. I will never come around to architects do impeccable work.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on August 23, 2016, 02:14:59 AM
After all these are just a promotion for roulette lessons?
And if you don't care about money then why do you charge 200 per head?
Sometimes you are contradicting yourself, perhaps not everyone has good memory and attention to details in order to read between the lines but I do, so you cannot fool me.
So that the world will look back in retrospect and laugh that I sold what actually works for peanuts. That makes the ones that passed on it funny people. I'm enjoying my own version of flat earth people. All you have is to claim it's a hoax. That's funny to me. You have accusations from the peanut gallery and I have my school. I have a banana on a stick and I'm doing my best to make you the donkey. I'm doing it so you can always claim that you never knew. But that's not true is it. I published it right underneath your nose. I'm enjoying the irony. You are my trained Barney Fife, my Don Quixotic. I love your involvement. Trust me, you math Nazi's earned your reward.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 02:25:37 AM
So that the world will look back in retrospect and laugh that I sold what actually works for peanuts. That makes the ones that passed on it funny people.
I wish you and your school of students every success.
The knowledge on offer and the price were tempting, and in the end I only "passed on it" because I have my own successful way of playing that I'm more than comfortable with. It's enough for me for now.
Cheers.
Quote from: greenguy on August 23, 2016, 02:32:23 AM
I wish you and your school of students every success.
The knowledge on offer and the price were tempting, and in the end I only "passed on it" because I have my own successful way of playing that I'm more than comfortable with. It's enough for me for now.
Cheers.
I'm having fun teaching people and leading them to what works for me. It's challenging and people come from their own frame of reference. I'm especially interested in how bets are limited around the world, how it is different.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 23, 2016, 02:15:54 AM
XXVV, that's a nice tome.
I was recalling my experience with the winner of the Northern California Architecture award for that year in the field of high density apartment complexes. I was the builder. They were the prize winners. They billed me for $25,000 back in 1985 money for being asked to explain parapets that seemed to hang in mid-air, parapets that they didn't see in their plans. You probably know that the connection of various units don't actually connect properly when there are 350 units of them. So we called them "the in the air a bit parapets." I thought it the absolute excess of hubris that they actually had the gall to charge me for a possible breach of contract had I actually built them. Anyone contracting with the bank investors knew they were required to build "as per plan." Those are words that stand up in court. You can take your "Teen Spirit" oops, team spirit and pound dirt. I billed the esteemed winner $25,000 for pointing out the FLAW and they never bothered me again. So stick up for your trade if you want to, but I'm never going to be a fan.
And just for name dropping references, my grandfather was the city engineer for Berkeley, Oakland, and San Rafael California. He worked with frank lloyd wright (https://www.google.com/search?q=frank+lloyd+wright&espv=2&biw=1271&bih=614&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjrmJuNutbOAhUQ9WMKHb0ZCU0QsAQIGw). Frank gave my grandmother the right to live at vikingsholm emerald bay for that relationship.
My nephew got a full boat ride to MIT in architectural engineering. He went back there to get his Masters too. I went to his graduation. I'm still the smartest a-hole in the room. So don't try to cheer lead your grand expression of existence to me. I'm a dyed in the wool, life long cynic. I will never come around to architects do impeccable work.
No worries. As students we were taught the value of 'Skyhooks' - in Australia this principle is so celebrated that the Aussies formed a band to celebrate this in 1973. My all time US/NZ hero is Prof Maurice Smith, a New Zealander, who retired not so long ago as Professor of Architecture at MIT. His house at Indian Hill in Massachusetts was stunning and is still a benchmark for me. He brought together Art and Science, Thoreau and Field Theory, TreeHouses and Gaudi.
Nevertheless, no-one does 'impeccable' work.
Good luck with your School.
If we would bet always the same selection with the same amount for all the time, we would be losers with 99.99% certainty.
The opposite is valid too, therefore the key to success lies in differentiation.
So the next reasonable questions are to which selection will you change and when, let's ignore bet amounts at the moment.
An accurate prediction wins regardless of the amount of chips standing on the top of it, the exact opposite is also true.
The results are changing, if we want to be more correct than wrong we should imitate those results by changing selections, thus adjusting to the stream of results instead of stubbornly sticking with a specific selection.
Selections change and the same happens for the rules and conditions, they cannot fit in all possible situations, therefore they should alter from time to time.
Differentiation leads to flexibility and flexibility to long term profit.
Just checking has everything been "put on the line" yet?
Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 23, 2016, 12:16:01 PM
Just checking has everything been "put on the line" yet?
Yes. I'm just charging a small fee just to tick you off. You are so much fun. You really can't stand it that I made it available to the few that are curious enough to get themselves the good seats. Tweak!
Spike exposed you for what you are years ago on other boards. You're a nickle and dime player just like him, both with winning systems, yeah that figures.
Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 23, 2016, 10:02:59 PM
Spike exposed you for what you are years ago on other boards. You're a nickle and dime player just like him, both with winning systems, yeah that figures.
There will come a time, a very interesting time for some, if this betselection.cc board is still available and these sections are still here for everyone to read. Everyone will be able to read in retrospect what I placed right under everyone's noses. Your presence here will be noted as how passionate some people can get, excusably of course. Yep, society will let you off the hook, without consideration for your own grace too. You are a whiny little pipsqueak of a cheapskate. Enjoy your legacy as well.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 18, 2016, 03:04:30 AM
You are funny. People need people like you. They love people that try to impress others. They even like it more when they know it's because of basic insecurity that they grand stand in the first place.
Anything worth something is worth paying for. You don't have to buy it just to justify your cheapness. And please don't tell me that the victims of this world need a free hand up. This is a gambling forum. I blow my fee on one bet when I'm attacking the game. This is not about getting money. This is about weeding out the wannabees.
Funny.
that's how theflaw is Gizmo.
He's pissed cause he has NOTHING so that means, no other person should be kicking a**.
Crazy logic but that's our theflaw. ;)
Ken
Can't get enough of Ken's dad-humor.............watch out Tyler Perry!!! :o
Quote from: TheLaw on August 24, 2016, 01:14:45 AM
Can't get enough of Ken's dad-humor.............watch out Tyler Perry!!! :o
You can crack jokes cracker but the truth is still the truth. You have NOTHING so you vent onto others. I've seen it before and I'll see it again.
Ken
Quote from: TheLaw on August 24, 2016, 01:14:45 AM
Can't get enough of Ken's dad-humor.............watch out Tyler Perry!!! :o
Ken, you have always been a passionate gambler and contributor to these forums. In fact we went around and around in the first years like cats and dogs. But you always stayed true to your stance. In fact I always admired you as a progression player that stood for it. There are others here now that stand behind the progression. Now I think I see you considering randomness as a possible method.
For all these years of contributions I want to invite you into my school for free. Be prepared to have your mind blown. I'll send you a PM with the how. Read the threads. The answers to questions are a good part of the training.
Cool
"There are others here now that stand behind the progression" >> I know this is your thread but this is interesting. I would love to know at what point a roulette player believes in progressions?
Meaning, at first starting out...somewhere in the middle...or later in his/her roulette career?
Myself, it was for the first five years or so. I notice that most (not all) are the newer guys, maybe I'm wrong.
Ken
Ken, I started out trying to change my life by applying my intelligence. There is nothing wrong with any of us as people, trying to apply our arithmetic pseudo neo-mathematical educations on a brainless, as I call it, consideration that I must adapt to the situation being presented and nothing else can work attitude. But that's what I stumbled across anyway, despite myself. It's my bag of gold for a 49'er gold rush. How I do it is my own consideration to myself. I, __ at least know that much.
Let me be the first to suggest that the progression, with consideration to situational existence, if properly deduced by an expert, can break the concept that the casino actually always has an edge.
That's why I'm charging for the good seats at the concert. It must be done this way. It's the best idea that I can come up with at this time. So later in life, in retrospect, I apologize if there is a better wisdom decided upon by readers in a future where hindsight is always best. I'm doing my swan song people.
Is there a bucket list kind of a website where people list their accomplishments without trying to come off bragging? A book about my life is so much crud. Who needs another BS trip like that?
don't get me wrong, there is no bad answer. Not judging.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on August 24, 2016, 02:55:03 AM
don't get me wrong, there is no bad answer. Not judging.
Ken
I didn't think that you were judging. I guess I'm suggesting, I'm trying to tempt you to read about this amazing moment. Nothing more than that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 24, 2016, 12:42:30 AM
There will come a time, a very interesting time for some, if this betselection.cc board is still available and these sections are still here for everyone to read. Everyone will be able to read in retrospect what I placed right under everyone's noses. Your presence here will be noted as how passionate some people can get, excusably of course. Yep, society will let you off the hook, without consideration for your own grace too. You are a whiny little pipsqueak of a cheapskate. Enjoy your legacy as well.
If what you claim is true, I will send you $200 so you can buy some groceries. Some of us know, you are stone cold BROKE, and this is one of few chances you have left to keep your head above water, assuming you haven't sunk already.
Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 24, 2016, 12:12:32 PM
If what you claim is true, I will send you $200 so you can buy some groceries. Some of us know, you are stone cold BROKE, and this is one of few chances you have left to keep your head above water, assuming you haven't sunk already.
You really are a Captain Spandex Boy aren't you. Come to save us all from the horrible scammer.
Quote from: Gizmotron on August 24, 2016, 03:58:46 PM
You really are a Captain Spandex Boy aren't you. Come to save us all from the horrible scammer.
Don't get to agitated, remember the old ticker. I'd have sympathy for you if you weren't trying to steal from fellow forum members, as it is, you get none.
Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 24, 2016, 11:15:01 PM
Don't get to agitated, remember the old ticker. I'd have sympathy for you if you weren't trying to steal from fellow forum members, as it is, you get none.
Why should I get upset that you see the world as a member of the flat earth society. I've sailed around the globe and have seen for myself what is what and what is the truth. You "Danger, Danger, Will Robinson" guys are also a ubiquitous part of the internet experience.
Your name seems familiar...it suddenly hit me, Gizmo is the good white gremlin from the 80s! :D
Quote from: Blue_Angel on August 28, 2016, 05:36:43 AM
Your name seems familiar...it suddenly hit me, Gizmo is the good white gremlin from the 80s! :D
Actually, I developed my own internet and cross platform browser under the name Gizmotron Graphics. I stole the name off of an Anvil case I used to carry two drum machines in.
This is the origin of that sticker, The Gizmotron: http://www.gizmotron.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcH58kQPiJw