What happen to Stephen R. Tabone topic about his book?
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Wondering about this myself.
Probably he deleted the threads he created. He is a British writer and perhaps opened the threads to expose his books to a wider audience. He doubled the the price of his kindle book after he opened the thread, perhaps due to booming sales.
He is a prolific writer and coauthored two books on Melania Trump, besides many other books.
I see there's another glowing review on Amazon. But notice that NONE of them are VERIFIED PURCHASES. The reason Amazon introduced this is to stop fake reviews. I'm not saying these reviews are necessarily fake, but just pointing it out.
I wrote a reply to the previous thread yesterday asking Stephen a few pertinent questions about his system. But it never saw the light of day. Perhaps he'll return.
Mike ,,, what do you mean with fake review ? when i read the three reviews on amzon i can see that they buy papper edition and all three give it five stars.
One review mention testing it against 500 shoes with good results and i assume all is done flat betting.
So how are does fake reviews ?
Now two members at the topic Stephen R. Tabone started mention good reviews about his methodology.
How do you explain that!
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 08:24:34 AM
What happen to Stephen R. Tabone topic about his book?
Cheers
Hello sputnik, very simple, no conspiracy or anything: he just didn't considered it cost-effective to sponsor the forum at this time, hence his sponsored section was removed and his topic restored to regular baccarat section today:
http://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/20-years-5050-baccarat-research-resulted-in-2-books-in-top-7/
He's welcome to continue posting as long as there's bet selection, money management and gambling-related information within his topics; just like any other member is welcome to do.
Cheers & many thanks!
Vic
I know and I thought I was too hard on Him and that everyone else picked up and I went back and deleted some of my stuff and apologized and told everybody to give him some space but it is what it is. if you're in it for a strictly a commercial Venture and you don't have the experience especially the experience you think you have what you claim to have it is a whole other ballgame kind of like going from the minor leagues or let's say the Little League to the National leagues
:)) You guys haven't been around long enough to see a hustle when you see one?
I wasn't paying that much attention. Wasn't he making claims to profit 3 units a shoe flat with MM and some subjective leave the table "when things don't look right" or "when things aren't going well" ????
I get that it's fun to look at systems and for $10 bucks it's not going to break anybody's bank. So at least it wasn't an Ellis scam or others selling stuff for hundreds and thousands. So he sells a few hundred books - more power to him. After all $10 bucks for the HG who is going to complain?
Since Andy's wife (ahem) bought him the book maybe he will now go over the method here so you guys can have some fun figuring the puzzle out.
J
PS Is there spell check here?
Jimske i join BTC and read about NOR strategy and is not a scam - it based upon same work i have done with Sputniks March that have 3K views and i have develop the methodology further with out posting about it. My method is similar towards NOR and using three states wish is better then any known patten betting with or against.
When you have three state you can explore a real bias that can last for one or several shoes where you win and break even. Do you know why one state strategy has the name S40 by Ellis? he won 40 shoes in a row using it and that explain it all.
Looking at the random bits as states that unfold is more effective then any other public known baccarat strategy.
Now i don't recommend any one to join BTC if you don't want to expand your mind or read my topic.
I have read bad and negative comments about Ellis new baccarat forum and would not pay 1K for membership as i reckon is not worth it after reading pro reviews at BTC.
At least at BTC you can join for one month and download NOR and read topics about the particular method and quit for only 30$ and then i would say is worth it if you are stuck with patterns.
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Mike ,,, what do you mean with fake review ? when i read the three reviews on amzon i can see that they buy papper edition and all three give it five stars.
One review mention testing it against 500 shoes with good results and i assume all is done flat betting.
So how are does fake reviews ?
Now two members at the topic Stephen R. Tabone started mention good reviews about his methodology.
How do you explain that!
Cheers
See here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201930110
and here http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-Fake-Reviews-Manufactured-by-an-Amazon-Seller
I can't proof that the reviews of the 2nd edition of his book aren't genuine, but they're not verified purchases. On the other hand, there's one negative review of the first edition, which IS a verified purchase. The reviewer says the 200 shoes provided by the book would have generated a loss.
I don't know if the first edition contained a lot of shoes, but it was 368 pages long whereas the second edition is only 38 pages long!
Thanks Mike ,,, i pm two members who has the book to get personal opinion ,,, one of them is a old member with good baccarat knowledge ,,, i assume that is better insight then amazon reviews ...
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
Jimske i join BTC and read about NOR strategy and is not a scam
They're not scams because they're offered for sale. They're scams becasue they make unfounded and undocumented claims.
From the NOR manual:
The Twelve Steps To Winning Baccarat:
Step 1. Learn our lingo by reading through everything available first. Be sure you know what an Opposite is and what a Repeat is. Know how to bet Opposites and how to bet Repeats.
Step 2. Learn our BEATTHECASINO.COM vertical score card process.
Step 3. Learn our BEATTHECASINO.COM short hand method of posting shoes so that you can ask your questions using shoe examples.
Step 4. Learn the three NOR systems and practice them until you can play each automatically.
Step 5. Learn how to find the best table in the casino. We pick the table we can beat the easiest.
Step 6. Learn how to select the best of the three systems for the shoe at hand.
Step 7. Learn how to stay in the right Mode.
Step 8. Learn our simple NOR Betting Strategy and how to adjust it.
Step 9. Learn NOR cash management and tricks of the trade.
Step 10. Practice!
Step 11. Get ALL of your questions answered.
Step 12. Practice some more!
Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Mike ,,, what do you mean with fake review ? when i read the three reviews on amzon i can see that they buy papper edition and all three give it five stars.
One review mention testing it against 500 shoes with good results and i assume all is done flat betting.
So how are does fake reviews ?
Now two members at the topic Stephen R. Tabone started mention good reviews about his methodology.
How do you explain that!
Cheers
I personally can't see anyone giving that system play an "excellent" rating or even an "adequate" rating. It's not worth the $10 for the Kindle version unless you are an absolute Day 1, New Player with zero knowledge of the game and wagering in general. If you fit that description, buy the Kindle version and stay a little longer in the casino. You will lose at a very nice, slow rate and enjoy your stay at the table. You may even get lucky with a nice opening ZZ run to show off your new found system play!
AD
He doubled the kindle price to $19.72 after he posted in this site. Perhaps his posting generated some sales. One reviewer was considering leaving her day job and become a professional baccarat gambler. This will be a quick road to povertyville, since playing professionally in a negative expectation game is not easy, if not impossible.
Stephen Tabone agreed to provide a token of appreciation to the board hence, as a sponsor, his section's back at: http://betselection.cc/stephen-tabone%27s/
His topic has been reinstated inside the section too.
Quote from: ADulay on June 13, 2017, 08:48:26 PM
I personally can't see anyone giving that system play an "excellent" rating or even an "adequate" rating. It's not worth the $10 for the Kindle version unless you are an absolute Day 1, New Player with zero knowledge of the game and wagering in general. If you fit that description, buy the Kindle version and stay a little longer in the casino. You will lose at a very nice, slow rate and enjoy your stay at the table. You may even get lucky with a nice opening ZZ run to show off your new found system play!
AD
I think a gambler who uses my strategy stops by half way on bad shoes thus leaving at break even. and thereby gaining the advantage on winning shoes. some might even continue more than 3 unit wins on good shoes. I have been up average 7+ unit wins on good shoes and even more than that. I don't know how many play some adapt somewhat. But in general sticking to the rules not only keeps a gambler using the strategy safe, he stays in the game but his aim is to gain the advantage by leaving with plus winnings as stated in my book with references to a day trader. The mistake a lot of people make is to try the system using 100s of shoe results and finding reasons to state that it does not work. In theory if a day trader did this he would never trade therefore not know how to manage risk to reward.
Quote from: Mike on June 13, 2017, 07:13:17 PM
See here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201930110
and here http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-Fake-Reviews-Manufactured-by-an-Amazon-Seller
I can't proof that the reviews of the 2nd edition of his book aren't genuine, but they're not verified purchases. On the other hand, there's one negative review of the first edition, which IS a verified purchase. The reviewer says the 200 shoes provided by the book would have generated a loss.
I don't know if the first edition contained a lot of shoes, but it was 368 pages long whereas the second edition is only 38 pages long!
many paperbacks are sold to individuals via third parties therefore not all reviews will show as verified purchases.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 14, 2017, 02:25:26 AM
I think a gambler who uses my strategy stops by half way on bad shoes thus leaving at break even. and thereby gaining the advantage on winning shoes. some might even continue more than 3 unit wins on good shoes. I have been up average 7+ unit wins on good shoes and even more than that. I don't know how many play some adapt somewhat. But in general sticking to the rules not only keeps a gambler using the strategy safe, he stays in the game but his aim is to gain the advantage by leaving with plus winnings as stated in my book with references to a day trader. The mistake a lot of people make is to try the system using 100s of shoe results and finding reasons to state that it does not work. In theory if a day trader did this he would never trade therefore not know how to manage risk to reward.
This makes no sense. You either have rules or don't. This nonsense that your strategy cannot be programmed to test results is just that - nonsense. If there is a subjective element that must be conquered to win then the strategy is worthless. Well granted, it has some value as a benchmark for some, as AD has said, don't have a lot of experience and need a starting point.
Successful day traders are not guessing. They are using known leading indicators that will give them a positive expectation. With a positive expectation the only risk one is managing is trading "within their bankroll" so as to overcome downturns.
So it's an on again off again type of thing and by the way for whatever it's worth I will publicly state here in this thread I don't think he's a hundred percent truthful in my opinion and I don't see the validity of his so-called system that he claims consistently prevails and I believe the only asset is to himself in peddling a book or two.
Writing a book that is strictly self published does not make anyone an expert or a successful anything at something. Also look at the reviews on his other books IMO they are absolutely embarrassing!!!
bottom line is it works sometimes sometimes it doesn't when it doesn't the author has said you have to stop and manage your money there's nothing that's guaranteed and basically any wager that is wagered is wagered at the Players risk and expense and therefore if it does work it's the credit of the author that he copied it from and if it doesn't the player either play too long or didn't know how to use it or changed it up according to the person that started all this conversation with claims of authoring best selling books etc.
Quote from: Jimske on June 14, 2017, 02:44:48 AM
This makes no sense. You either have rules or don't. This nonsense that your strategy cannot be programmed to test results is just that - nonsense. If there is a subjective element that must be conquered to win then the strategy is worthless. Well granted, it has some value as a benchmark for some, as AD has said, don't have a lot of experience and need a starting point.
Successful day traders are not guessing. They are using known leading indicators that will give them a positive expectation. With a positive expectation the only risk one is managing is trading "within their bankroll" so as to overcome downturns.
Well said!
And Stephen's statements are contradictory. Elsewhere he says that it's important to test a system in the long term not just the short term. Now he says it's mistake to test a system over 100's of shoes!
I have a book that code different staking plans with 1.7% house edge with 60.000 placed bets and show positiv results using specific rules and observations.
So i think any system can be coded.
I get what you are saying and i read about other pro gamblers mention the same thing, when you find the sweet spot you will notice that you are within the sweet spot and should quit and get out.
It has nothing to do with educated guess work or trading. Its all about to define when you are ahead and quit. How can some one quit and being ahead if they don't know the meaning of being ahead.
So if we would run 100 shoes and the common peak for most shoes together was +3 units - then we would know that is the sweet spot. Now some shoes will make +20 units but is not important as we want to know what 75% (or more) of the shoes peaks are together. Then the same principal works for the average sweet losing sequence and among does you look at best and worst results.
Should also mention that i understand your way of thinking when you say that if you not reach goal being ahead or jump on board the sweet spot and have played half the shoe you might aim to break even or accept small loss. The distance from winning +3 units is the same distance from -3 units to break even when you look towards variance and fluctation.
Now i got personal reviews on your book and the material as i understand are for beginners.
Cheers
Quote from: Mike on June 13, 2017, 07:13:17 PM
See here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201930110
and here http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-Fake-Reviews-Manufactured-by-an-Amazon-Seller
I can't proof that the reviews of the 2nd edition of his book aren't genuine, but they're not verified purchases. On the other hand, there's one negative review of the first edition, which IS a verified purchase. The reviewer says the 200 shoes provided by the book would have generated a loss.
I don't know if the first edition contained a lot of shoes, but it was 368 pages long whereas the second edition is only 38 pages long!
fake reviews don't get a book into the top #7 best sellers ranked on amazon in baccarat cat, only sale can do that. Many of my books are sold as paperbacks and there have been kindle gift bought for others.
Quote from: Sputnik on June 14, 2017, 08:04:58 AM
I get what you are saying and i read about other pro gamblers mention the same thing, when you find the sweet spot you will notice that you are within the sweet spot and should quit and get out.
The sweet spot is also math related, not just a guess. It can be part of a mechanical system. I used it with my previously posted "Double Triplets." I see it as a bell curve within statistical limitations. When losses and wins begin to become extreme the likelihood (odds) of improvement diminishes so one may as well call stop losses or wins rather than keep going hoping for that "once in a million" improvement.
Quote from: Mike on June 13, 2017, 03:13:16 PM
I see there's another glowing review on Amazon. But notice that NONE of them are VERIFIED PURCHASES. The reason Amazon introduced this is to stop fake reviews. I'm not saying these reviews are necessarily fake, but just pointing it out.
I wrote a reply to the previous thread yesterday asking Stephen a few pertinent questions about his system. But it never saw the light of day. Perhaps he'll return.
I don't have any control over reviews, I received a bad 1 star review on my first edition, reviewer more or less stated he did not even read book. Many books have been sold as paperbacks and others given as gifts which is why there are no verified purchases, though there is one on first edition.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 14, 2017, 11:37:45 AM
fake reviews don't get a book into the top #7 best sellers ranked on amazon in baccarat cat, only sale can do that. Many of my books are sold as paperbacks and there have been kindle gift bought for others.
Look - maybe you got a neat little bet placement twist that hasn't been already sampled (I doubt it). That's fine. You want to sell some books because that's how you make money. Okay.
The onous of proof is on you! And so far relying on Amazon reviews as proof? How crazy is that?
I do like the idea of a third book with a new and improved version. Personally I can't wait. I'm just hoping and praying - please let me be one of the few to get the magic bet placements!
Beautiful!
There can be no "proof" which will demonstrate that a negative expectation game has a positive expectation. It's an oxymoron.
What's left?
reviews, anecdotes, and empirical test results (but not so many that the negative expectation is revealed!).
Mike does it take more then 60.000 placed bets or less to show that the game has negative expectation and for the house edge to kick in.
For example 1.35% house edge on the EC position.
Cheers
In the majority of cases (about 95%), and with a HA of 1.35%, you would be losing before 60,000 bets. That's flat betting, if using a progression your mileage may vary.
The problem is that if you keep testing and tweaking systems, then eventually you're going to find a system which SEEMS to be a winner over a LOT of bets. It doesn't mean it really IS a winner though, unless of course you have a real edge. A real edge does not weaken as you make more bets. If it does, it means you're riding high on waves of variance, that's all.
Mike you would like this book - Conquer The Casino - By Philip Koetsch - Computer Analysis Of Successful Gaming Strageys.
He code and run 100 placed bets sample until he reach 60.000 placed bets and all simulations with fictive 1.7% house edge.
My opinion the results are amazing and the best book i buy for money, i am using it for all my further development with EC bets and comparing results.
Cheers
Sputnik,
I've heard of the book. I thought he just did the simulations to generate statistics, and didn't claim that any of the systems actually came out ahead over those bets.
http://betselection.cc/gambling-library/''conquer-the-casinos''-by-philip-koetsch/
The authors view with 12 million games lead him to believe that you can quit a winner up to 90% with even odds.
The statistical analysis are based upon 600 rounds of 100 placed bets or games - equal to 60.000
He use following paramters:
1) what are the absolute worst and best things that could theoretically happen?
2) what were the worst and best things that actually did happen in 600 rounds?
3) what were the average worst and best things that did happen?
4) what typically happens if you don't get out while your ahead , but instead play the full round of 100 games?
5) during a round, how often can you expect to get ahead by at least 10, 20 or 30 chips?
6) in a 100 game round, how many times does your bankroll net-status typically reverse from losing to winning?
7) how often does this net-status never reverse but remains losing throughout a 100 game round?
(http://i63.tinypic.com/v5ipsg.jpg)
And further information ...
(http://i67.tinypic.com/51x441.jpg)
Cheers
Some days ago, I tried a certain approach.
Bet selection I used was the simplest, after 2 falls of the same color, I played the second color once.
Target profit + 7 units, stop lose -14 units. When i reach TP or SL end session.
The length of the session if I did not settle TP or SL was always 100 placed bets.
The results were positive after several sessions.
My tests were not long, but can such an approach give a longrun profit?
Makes sense that a very critical splinter thread is started completely elsewhere.
Quote from: Jimske on June 14, 2017, 01:13:28 PM
Look - maybe you got a neat little bet placement twist that hasn't been already sampled (I doubt it). That's fine. You want to sell some books because that's how you make money. Okay.
The onous of proof is on you! And so far relying on Amazon reviews as proof? How crazy is that?
I do like the idea of a third book with a new and improved version. Personally I can't wait. I'm just hoping and praying - please let me be one of the few to get the magic bet placements!
Beautiful!
wait and see, the book refined strategy will blow your mind.
Stephen, I have read all the threads regarding your books. What stands out to me is that you are telling all that book 3 is going to be the real deal. So although the first two books were sold as the answer to winning at baccarat, what you are now saying is that you need to purchase book 3 which is "bullet proof" etc.
You kindly have advised that you are giving a free copy of book 3 to the first ten people who responded to your offer.
My point in this post is that I would have thought giving those who actually paid for book 1 and/or 2 a free copy would have made more sense as they paid for something that clearly wasn't delivered.
Whether it will be delivered in book 3 remains to be seen but surely those buying your previous books in good faith deserve a chance to find out without wasting further money.
And I notice in one of your posts you say book 3 is that good that you may even decide not to release it. Seems odd that you would come on a site like this promoting the greatness of its contents to then just pull it from sale.
Quote from: scaldedcat on June 17, 2017, 08:34:11 AM
Stephen, I have read all the threads regarding your books. What stands out to me is that you are telling all that book 3 is going to be the real deal. So although the first two books were sold as the answer to winning at baccarat, what you are now saying is that you need to purchase book 3 which is "bullet proof" etc.
You kindly have advised that you are giving a free copy of book 3 to the first ten people who responded to your offer.
My point in this post is that I would have thought giving those who actually paid for book 1 and/or 2 a free copy would have made more sense as they paid for something that clearly wasn't delivered.
Whether it will be delivered in book 3 remains to be seen but surely those buying your previous books in good faith deserve a chance to find out without wasting further money.
And I notice in one of your posts you say book 3 is that good that you may even decide not to release it. Seems odd that you would come on a site like this promoting the greatness of its contents to then just pull it from sale.
Sorry to be so derogatory (ahem)! U R right scaldedcat. This whole thing smacks of a con job or rather a marketing ploy, if you prefer. The three pillars of marketing: Need, Enthusiasm, Urgency.
But don't worry. Whatever iteration he eventually finishes up with will be readily available to anyone who asks around in no time. He knows that and is just trying to get as many book sales as possible before the thing gets proliferated.
Quote from: Jimske on June 17, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
Sorry to be so derogatory (ahem)! U R right scaldedcat. This whole thing smacks of a con job or rather a marketing ploy, if you prefer. The three pillars of marketing: Need, Enthusiasm, Urgency.
But don't worry. Whatever iteration he eventually finishes up with will be readily available to anyone who asks around in no time. He knows that and is just trying to get as many book sales as possible before the thing gets proliferated.
If anyone who shows they want my third book I'm happy to extend my offer. You only need send me a pm. I really am hardly making any money from books sales, this is not my main objective. Though since I have books and am writing more I can't escape from that fact. I believe that randomness can be ordered, or structured into a mode of play that helps the bettor to win. I read that some do not agree. Well they are free to believe whatever they want.I think my strategy has been tested and proven to work, on this website forum, and by those that are using it to win money. That said, people can use whatever strategy they want. I wrote my book because personalty I could not find any reliable way to win. It is as simple as that. I'm lucky after costs to profit 350$ per year on my book thus I'm hardly in it for the money.
Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 08:24:34 AM
What happen to Stephen R. Tabone topic about his book?
Cheers
http://betselection.cc/stephen-tabone's/
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 18, 2017, 12:39:40 AM
If anyone who shows they want my third book I'm happy to extend my offer. You only need send me a pm. I really am hardly making any money from books sales, this is not my main objective. Though since I have books and am writing more I can't escape from that fact. I believe that randomness can be ordered, or structured into a mode of play that helps the bettor to win. I read that some do not agree. Well they are free to believe whatever they want.I think my strategy has been tested and proven to work, on this website forum, and by those that are using it to win money. That said, people can use whatever strategy they want. I wrote my book because personalty I could not find any reliable way to win. It is as simple as that. I'm lucky after costs to profit 350$ per year on my book thus I'm hardly in it for the money.
I want the 8th edition with all the bells and whistles.
I'm not pulling the 3rd book, I was going to, 2nd book is bullet proof, but 3rd book is like a phd on the who strategy it refines the TUBS to its core. When you see it then judge it thereafter but before you see it how can you condemn it. I proved that I refined the 1st edition with the 2nd bullet proof edition, in my last book of this series what you will learn is a master, super human piece of analyses. I turn the tables n the casinos so that the bettor has the edge. All my work is complete in this respect. I'm using it now myself and it works wonderfully. It will be so strong, it will become the creme dela creme of baccarat strategies and thus there can be no other strategy that can beat it in terms of reliable returns. All in all I have proven that there is order within randomness enough for a bettor to gain profits and make a living from the game proper. To those that do not believe this I know that no matter what I or anyone says you will never believe in a system that can and does work. Some people just do not believe in systems this is because either they cannot follow one or they keep on believing in their way way of playing that is doomed to show a minus and not a profit.
:o :thumbsup:
Don't tell me casinos keep taking the right side of the struggle no matter how much players try to be smart.
Sigh.
as.
As Stephen Tabone made the kind offer to send his 3rd book to anyone who Pm'd him I thought I would take him up on his kind offer.
However apparently the 3rd book is no use to you unless you have read the 2nd book.
Mr Tabone has told me that he will need to talk with his publisher about this.
I will let you know if he is able to release the books to me and if so how much they improve my skill at baccarat (that would not be too hard ???)
Quote from: Jimske on June 17, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
Sorry to be so derogatory (ahem)! U R right scaldedcat. This whole thing smacks of a con job or rather a marketing ploy, if you prefer. The three pillars of marketing: Need, Enthusiasm, Urgency.
But don't worry. Whatever iteration he eventually finishes up with will be readily available to anyone who asks around in no time. He knows that and is just trying to get as many book sales as possible before the thing gets proliferated.
They wouldn't be asking me to write more if there was no valid and worthwhile information within. Just because you don't believe in systems it does not follow that everyone is like you.
Hello Stephen
Any news on whether your publisher is allowing you to send books 2 and 3 to me?
Thanks in advance
No news yet, I'm I'm sure it will be all okay for readers and those on the list for free books etc. I will let you know as soon as I know.
I hate to bring up an old subject but just found this link today on our old friend Steven Tabone!!
https://www.888casino.com/blog/baccarat-strategy/trends-you-should-try-at-online-casino
Yes, I know it's to another site, but he's still writing and plugging his book at the end of the neutral article.
AD
For the record, I have nothing against anyone. However, some will twist and turn as well as copy and paste previous written threads and even edit some of those with their own additions or deletions to them. And so the story goes on.
Before I purchased this website, Stephen was a subject matter here and discounted, verbalized and chastised many on this board including actual scorecards and scoreboards from real live B&M casinos and the comments from himself or his numerous sock-puppets were in attempt (IMO) to boast his own thoughts, ideas and commercial ventures for sale.
Kinds of the same thing happened with Mark AKA: Gizmotron, and his school tutor teachings, etc. But things went personal with personal attacks and more. Maybe I played into them, maybe those other members rolled with something I started. I do not know. But, Stephen did get extremely personal and vindictive. Plus, he was clearly selling his books, etc. As far as I know he would not even support this website with Vic at the time.
As far as 888 and those articles, I was also approached to co-market with them as well and for the few dollars possible, I declined. They also offer to purchase for about $10.00 to $25.00 series of articles related to gaming that fit into their protocols and schedules, etc.
On a side note, you will notice on most forums, gaming/gambling included, there will always be those that are A-Alpha and devote extensive time to writing, posting, copying and pasting and everything related. Those will usually attempt to control and rule the board and any member or poster not in agreement with them will be ousted, humiliated, chastised and talked down on in the highest majority of instances.
I still say, if it does not interest you, you learn and find it interesting, you enjoy it and not necessarily endorse it, just are interested by it, read it and post and enjoy. If not, whether the thread or a complete forum, just skip it and close the cover, the same as going to Barnes & Noble and checking out a book. If you like it, buy it, if not do you really complain, write the author, chastise the store manager for selling it, write letters hatred and picket outside the store?
Thanks, Alrelax, Glen.