Say we are betting a Dozen and have such Wins and Losses in 60 spins:
1ST Session: L L L L L W L L L L L W L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L L W L
L W L L W L L W L L L L L L L L L W L L L L L L W W W L W L
2ND Session: WLWLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
LLLLWLWLLLLLLLLLWWLLLWWWWWWWLL
3RD Session: LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWWWWLWLLW
LWLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLWLLLLLLW
4TH Session: LLLLLWLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLLWLWLLLLL
WWLLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLWWLLWLLLWLLL
Can you beat all 4 sessions or create any strategy that can handle all four sessions without ever betting above 100 units? There should be only one and unambiguous method, for all of them.
Check again, MBB.
I guess that all so-called Veterans, MM experts and Daily new system (so-called) writers will run away from this topic than doing anything constructive and a few will try to reverse engineer the data to find an exploitable thing.
Remember, we do not know before playing a session that it is going to be horrible or lovely.
So your strategy should not be tailor made for bad sessions only.
It should be great for very favorable sessions as well.
Best of luck to all.
Quote from: Albalaha on September 09, 2013, 05:09:32 AM
I guess that all so-called Veterans, MM experts and Daily new system (so-called) writers will run away from this topic than doing anything constructive and a few will try to reverse engineer the data to find an exploitable thing.
Have you missed anyone out there?..
No.
looks like you have put everyone down as a
'moron' nicely.
You are priceless!
No. I am expecting all "intelligent" members to only look for favorable sessions to show their expertise. Anybody can win in favorable conditions with a little dash of progression but how about these harsh conditions that ensure losses in long run?
Any taker?
Why don't you show us how its done Sumit?
Give us a worked through example please. [smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley]
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on September 09, 2013, 09:56:13 AM
How many fingers am I holding up behind my back?
Come on, how many?
Want a clue?...both hands. [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]
BOTH your middle ones!!
Steady boys¡!
Lets keep it civil and on the money.
Less about gesticulating and more about the data.
Right Albalaha........show us what we need to know....and then we all learn.
Cheers
How can you not reverse engineer something if what you are given to work with is results? I thought you where going to stick to sports betting Albahala? I think you have a good chance at succeeding in that area!!!!! Leave the table games to others maybe?
QuoteWhen you're all finished with this I have an equally useful challenge for you all too... How many fingers am I holding up behind my back?
Great. I expected same level of answers.
Quote[size=0px]How can you not reverse engineer something if what you are given to work with is results?[/size]
Because what will work to gain in a bad session can not work in inversely proportional good one, if you understand the meaning of reverse engineering.
Unless you make headway with something productive Albalaha, the Topic is liable to get locked.
Its unproductive at the moment.
Please expand your reverse engineering of the results you posted.....
I'm quite sure, that apart from complete newbies and totally inexperienced players, everyone understands what
'reverse engineering' entails.
Show something useful. [smiley]aes/rose_wilted.png[/smiley]
Now here's a thought.
Let's pretend I sell roulette systems. (I DON"T)
Without a steady stream of ideas and systems to sell my business will wither on the vine.
Suddenly, I have a flash of inspiration.
I'll set a(nother) challenge on a forum. In that way I'll get others doing all the work, the tedious research and testing.
And, if I'm really lucky, I might just get one or two systems out of the exercise that I can then flog on the quiet.
[Heh...heh...They'll never work that out for themselves! >:D ]
[mod]Never!![/mod]
QuoteIts unproductive at the moment.
What looks productive to you? Can you name one single system that has made you a better player, posted on this forum or anywhere else?
QuoteSuddenly, I have a flash of inspiration. I'll set a(nother) challenge on a forum. In that way I'll get others doing all the work, the tedious research and testing. And, if I'm really lucky, I might just get one or two systems out of the exercise that I can then flog on the quiet.
Do you feel anybody over here has this standard? My #3 Zumma Challenge is still on for everyone. I have yet to see any digestible approach of trying to beat that.
I as a researcher and system developer (call me seller or scammer or whatever) start my testings on the worst session first and if the idea looks doing better than flat betting then I test semi-harsh, normal and favorable sessions as well.
I want you guys to go with the same approach. If you shy away from harsh sessions and keep counting on your success in favorable and semi-harsh sessions only, you will only rely upon luck.
Nobody is going to do tedious research and testing to beat this, I truly believe this. I do not find any other example in the entire forum world.
If anyone among you really beats this challenge, I am not going to carry his work in my pockets. It will be openly available for all of us, to use in whatever manner, you wish.
I expected same level of topic bashing debate from you guys instead of problem bashing. Roulette will always be unbeatable for you. Long live casinos. There is only one member "Kattila" who openly took one of my challenges in this forum and did it in a reasonable manner. I posted it openly while my friend Philip (malcop) created a nice tracker for it.Have a look: http://albalaha.lefora.com/2013/04/09/kattilas-dozen-method-with-tracker/ (http://albalaha.lefora.com/2013/04/09/kattilas-dozen-method-with-tracker/)
Quote from: Albalaha on September 10, 2013, 02:56:20 AM
What looks productive to you? Can you name one single system that has made you a better player, posted on this forum or anywhere else?
Al good buddy,
You bet I can. However, when anyone even thinks about mentioning that they might just be winning, they are immediately labeled as a system seller, scammer, liar, cheat and all kinds of other things.
And horror of horrors, should they happen to mention that they may have actually paid for the information, they then become the all time favorite, a SHILL for the man!
So, to answer your original question, yes, I can name several "systems" that have made me a better player. The hard part becomes "convincing" people that you are telling the truth.
As I really don't care anymore if anyone ever believes that I win real money at the casinos, it is pointless to enter any of these "challenges", especially ones where the only outcome is a series of W's and L's with no data to play against.
I really don't know what to add.
AD
Quote from: Albalaha on September 10, 2013, 02:56:20 AM
Do you feel anybody over here has this standard? My #3 Zumma Challenge is still on for everyone. I have yet to see any digestible approach of trying to beat that.
Al,
Hey, I told you (and showed you) how to beat that silly "challenge" and after I did, it quietly just died on your forum.
You and I look at the problems differently. Your attack is some sort of "brute force trauma" to the table while mine is a bit more cerebral and civilized.
Anyway, if I can find some time I'll take a look at that mess at the top of the page and see if it's worth even dealing with, in spite of the lack of true data.
I think I'll make up my own challenge. Let's play dozens.
Can anybody beat this?
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL W LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Yes, it's silly and about as original as your first post.
If whatever method you're playing is giving your those kinds of results, YOU'RE USING A BAD SYSTEM!!!
AD
QuoteHey, I told you (and showed you) how to beat that silly "challenge" and after I did, it quietly just died on your forum
You never did anything worth recognizing in the challenge. Do not try to blindfold all along with yourself.
Quote You and I look at the problems differently. Your attack is some sort of "brute force trauma" to the table while mine is a bit more cerebral and civilized.
You do not do anything worth following and you are totally unaware of my attack. If I use "brute force", in beating more than 10 millions I would have down by billions.
QuoteI think I'll make up my own challenge. Let's play dozens. Can anybody beat this? LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL W LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Yes, it's silly and about as original as your first post.
Even this is not as silly as you think. I can't win this but can lose the least
using same set of methods as I would like to play to extract max in exactly inverse case
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Except when I refer to Bayes or a few very nice fellows (a few are doing admirable work), I feel like sitting in a kindergarten class in forum.
All the same primitive failure approaches and mostly copy-paste guys.[smiley]aes/angry.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/angry.png[/smiley]
As forecasted......completely unproductive Topic/thread from you again dear Albalaha.
Instead of having Instead of constantly having a go at anyone, and seemingly everyone who does not either
agree with your assessment, or POV, and the method YOU say needs to be adopted, why don't you
make one honest post for a change?
What I mean by that is this:- because you are so far up your own backside, you fail to see what you are slowly* becoming
in so far as a Roulette poster/contributor.
(*some would say rapidly, and achieved.)
You are full of attitude, aggression, and metaphoric platitudes, because you have severely taken your Indian eye off the ball.
Is there any chance you could just come to this fine house, post up something useful, without mentioning
your forum/blog site, maybe something we all have not thought of before, and have a genuine discussion about its merits or otherwise?
HUH?
Just for once Sumit.................post something that shows us all your obvious desire to beat the game, and the depth of your experience in your attempt at doing so !
Please, save some face, and post up something of use that the fellows can read, digest and then conjure.
Otherwise, like a lot of your recent started topics........its liable to be locked, and set to the archives.
Quote from: ADulay on September 10, 2013, 04:04:31 AM
Your attack is some sort of "brute force trauma" to the table
Never a truer word. On reading the first post in the thread I thought the very same thing.
Quote from: Albalaha on September 10, 2013, 02:56:20 AM
I as a researcher and system developer (call me seller or scammer or whatever) start my testings on the worst session first and if the idea looks doing better than flat betting then I test semi-harsh, normal and favorable sessions as well.
The approach of brute forcing your way through a random stream with some massive negative progression is just far too square. The whole philosophy is wrong and archaic. And no way can progressions and money management make you a better player, you already need to be able to win consistently to manage any kind of money, otherwise it's invariably just disappearing down a small crack in the table. Knowledge enhances a person's intelligence and insight and thus helps to build understanding and skills. The understanding, in this case, is working out why the bet selection is so terrible. If it lacks a proven premise, it's just a random selection.
Beating a worse case scenario doesn't teach much because, in the end, there is always something worse around the corner. Plus the permutation is moot, any of a given length has the same probability. One stream with 10 Ws and 50 Ls may prove to be a winner, another with 10 Ws and 50 Ls may be a loser.
Also you're ignoring negative value on all bets. This just increases variance, you can't play through it with a hard progression, it's too high. Even if you had an edge, you'd still need a progression to make it economical. With a 1% edge you may still be in a drawdown for weeks flat betting. And even with a soft progression the risk of ruin is still high given a limited bankroll.
Quote from: Albalaha on September 10, 2013, 04:20:58 AM
You never did anything worth recognizing in the challenge.
Hmm, I solved your innane "challenge", showed you the profit and then told how it was done. What more did you want to see?
Quote from: Albalaha on September 10, 2013, 04:20:58 AM
If I use "brute force", in beating more than 10 millions I would have down by billions.
Uh, say what?
AD
QuoteHmm, I solved your innane "challenge", showed you the profit and then told how it was done. What more did you want to see?
You never did anything that you can show. Refer all to the place you did and you will be appreciated. This place is filled with frustrated gamblers who did nothing in their lives worth showing or even talking. Have you ever realized that you are only misleading newbies to lose in innovative ways?
Nobody offers a solution because nobody has that. Answers in this topic clearly prove that I am talking to the wall and nobody can guide someone to become a better player.