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[wannawin]

turbogenius said this:

Any number has a 1 in 37 chance of appearing during a cycle of spins.
That means that any number on average will show up once per 37 spins.... we can all agree with this right ?
But no.. as you can test and prove to yourself - 24 numbers appear on average every 37 spins, not 37. There never will be 37 possible outcomes... just because there are 37 numbers and 37 spins in a cycle and each spin is independent - there will never be 37 numbers that show once and no repeats.
Now grab the eraser and make it every number has a 1 in 24 chance of appearing ?
You could do this or you could take this info and look into repeaters....
I said it until I'm blue in other posts. A number can't show twice unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown twice, etc..
And most importantly - you can never lose a single unit on any number that doesn't appear because you never bet on it.

can we say turbogenius hot numbers method is to bet the numbers that appeared? to be bet as they appear. at the same time to stop betting when it becomes a number that does not appear by his definition? this way you always bet on appearing numbers only .would the turbogenius number cycle be 24 spins to apply this method? to bet each number appeared during 24 spins.  if it reappears give the number a 24 spins run again every time but stop betting when it disappears during 24 spins.

whole topic: https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19732.0

[Bally6354]

If you are going to follow this type of logic, then you can also say that after 24 numbers out, you will get on average 18 originals with 6 repeats.

You can add to that and on average the first 10 numbers out will only contain 1 repeat. Further to that and a lot of the time you will get the repeats coming from the first few numbers out.  (obvious really because they have more chances to repeat)

A quick snapshot from the first set of 24 numbers I pulled up.

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So 21 original numbers here with only 3 repeats.

The first 10 numbers were all originals with no repeats.

The repeats themselves (6, 25, 29) originally came out on spins 2, 6 and 8.

So nothing too surprising in that little lot.

What could anybody make from all of this?

I am not  so sure but getting all your ducks to line up in a row is not so easy with a load of different variables.

[Bally6354]

So in essence and on average, you will get 6 repeats from only 18 numbers (50% of the wheel) in the first 24 spins. If nobody can win or find a way to win using these parameters, well then, it begs the question, doesn't it!

[Sputnik]

Turbo admits he using a Marty and I have been trying to solve this puzzle, but I will never know if I have the same solution.
There is a march that you can follow to catch repeaters and new single outcomes that are forced to fill the gap sooner or later.

This is how the results look like, been thinking to test this online, but the charting and tracking take time for each bet.
But I find a live wheel from London Casino - Hippodrome - with live streaming from Unibet.
That has a very nice function, the dealer does only spin the wheel after the punters and the Casino has placed their bets.
So it can take 2 to 3 minutes or more between each spin depending on how crowded the table is at the Casino.

+15   7 spins
+44   16 spins
+32   4 spins
+7   10 spins
+15   7 spins
+26   5 spins
+26   5 spins
+20   10 spins
+21   6 spins

Cheers

[wannawin]

So in essence and on average, you will get 6 repeats from only 18 numbers (50% of the wheel) in the first 24 spins. If nobody can win or find a way to win using these parameters, well then, it begs the question, doesn't it!

thanks for the participation friends.  would we bet for the last 18 numbers spun or the last 18 without appearing?

[6th-sense]

ayks tracker is the easiest thing to read anything especially repeats..spin count of each number is there too.
heres the link http://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/

[Bally6354]

You know, sometimes doing the complete opposite is not the worst way to research!

Thinking about how in the first 10 numbers, you will get on average 9 originals with 1 repeat, I was thinking where do the originals come from? Playing around with Ayk's tracker and based on my own experiences, a lot of numbers in close proximity (either numerical or wheel based) do tend to clump. So looking for these early originals, look for the 'paired' number.

1,2
3,4
5,6
7,8
9,10 etc...

So if 31 appears, play 32. If 9 appears, play 10. Gradually increase the stakes as more numbers appear for the bet.

First run produced the following...

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The biggest ever unit required on a group of numbers was 4. There were a few 100 unit drawdowns but a lot of plain sailing in-between.
I could be wrong because I never bothered to look in-depth to the Vaddis idea but was he not using some kind of 'pairs' idea.

Anyway, food for thought I suppose.

cheers