Half Labby (w/65 Labby bonus)

TheLaw · July 13, 2014, 05:36:43 PM

the Half Labby (for EC)

This is an idea based on a traditional Labby with a large line structure, so please forgive me if this has been posted here before. I found the 65 Labby idea below on the Roulette30 forum, but they were playing it through (suicidal of course).

So the idea behind this system is to create a situation where you are ahead at some point by a small number of units (10 seems to be the sweet spot) with bets covering up to 100 Spins. You will play as if you are going to complete the Labby, but just stop when you are ahead (could end at 20 spins, or at 78 spins-so quite a range). The beauty of this system, is that is keeps the number of spins large enough to find a reasonable average.

Start by using a 50-line Labby :

l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l
l l l l l

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Here is an example of a of the final line chart after 70 Spins :

Bankroll Needed : 100 units

Largest Draw-down : 15 units (worse than average-pretty bad run)

Win Target : 10 units

Actual Win : 11 units

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I starting testing this system, after looking for something less risky than the Labby Breaker/Supa Labby Breaker. Feel free to give an example where the system fails ( I haven't found one yet).

Bonus for Super-Conservative Play: the 65 Labby

One modification of this system is to use the 65 Labby. This is based on the "worst case scenerio" of 135 losses over 200 spins. Simply use 65 lines, and set a modest win goal (10 is very conservative)

theLaw

BEAT-THE-WHEEL · July 14, 2014, 03:32:42 AM

Hi Law.,
Very interesting strategy, but can't understand,
May u please make a step by step example of betting below.

The 69 red in 200 spin is still the record.[ not 65win, in 200.]
The HP.Johnson and 1/65 LANKY DIVISOR,can beat , but alas not on BM casino as, the staking too complex.

HAMBURG 25/10/1999 TABLE TISH 1.
THE WORST EVER RECORDED OF 'RED' APPEAR ONLY 69 OUT OF 200 SPINS...
200 SPINS, START FROM SPIN NO 37..TO 237..BUT RECORDED BY ME AS NO. OF
SERIES.
RED APPEAR AT SPIN OF...3RD,5TH,7,10,12,16,21,23,
29,31,32,35,36,37,38,42,45,46,
52,55,58,62,65,68,69,71,75,77,80,90,92,95,97,101,102,104,114,
117,119,122,128,129,130,131,134,138,140,143,145,146,147,149,
150,154,155,158,163,164,168,171,172,174,175,180,184,187,192,
193,196..
ZERO=14,105,153,186,190,199.
IF U CAN FIND A SYSTEM TO WIN THESE SERIES, U MAY WIN AT CASINO.

69red appear in worst roulette 200 spins ever recorded.
ZERO=14,105,153,186,190,199.

please show step to step how to beat this
spin =1th to 200th spin,x=red hit.

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TheLaw · July 14, 2014, 04:19:13 AM

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 14, 2014, 03:32:42 AM
Hi Law.,
Very interesting strategy, but can't understand,
May u please make a step by step example of betting below.

The 69 red in 200 spin is still the record.[ not 65win, in 200.]
The HP.Johnson and 1/65 LANKY DIVISOR,can beat , but alas not on BM casino as, the staking too complex.

HAMBURG 25/10/1999 TABLE TISH 1.
THE WORST EVER RECORDED OF 'RED' APPEAR ONLY 69 OUT OF 200 SPINS...
200 SPINS, START FROM SPIN NO 37..TO 237..BUT RECORDED BY ME AS NO. OF
SERIES.
RED APPEAR AT SPIN OF...3RD,5TH,7,10,12,16,21,23,
29,31,32,35,36,37,38,42,45,46,
52,55,58,62,65,68,69,71,75,77,80,90,92,95,97,101,102,104,114,
117,119,122,128,129,130,131,134,138,140,143,145,146,147,149,
150,154,155,158,163,164,168,171,172,174,175,180,184,187,192,
193,196..
ZERO=14,105,153,186,190,199.
IF U CAN FIND A SYSTEM TO WIN THESE SERIES, U MAY WIN AT CASINO.

69red appear in worst roulette 200 spins ever recorded.
ZERO=14,105,153,186,190,199.

please show step to step how to beat this
spin =1th to 200th spin,x=red hit.

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Hey Beat,

Ran that sequence, and here's the results :

Method : Standard 50 Line Labby (bet from first line, add to last line)

Max Draw-down : 342 units

Win : +50 units at Spin #142

Largest Bet : 130* (last 3 spins)

* I would have probably added some lines after $75 bets, as it was clear that this was a monster run, but I followed the strict rules for this test

It's possible that with a Labby of fewer or more lines, the bets could have hit a really bad sequence (like the few 9-in-a-row runs), but there are ways to deal with that by adding lines if necessary

Unfortunately, I can't show all the work step-by-step as it would take up dozens of full pages on the forum (remember 50 lines)

BEAT-THE-WHEEL · July 14, 2014, 04:26:22 AM

Thanks Law,
Unfortunately as u can't show step by step, its hard for me to understand.
Thanks anyway.
BTW, do u have any progression, or strategy, that good to win the double dozen bet???[Labby,Lanky or anything that win mostly in, the average bet selection]
Thanks in advance.

BEAT-THE-WHEEL · July 14, 2014, 04:33:58 AM

Hi Law,
U have any idea to solved this? I can't as the staking out of my preferences.

[double dozen bet, bet every spin] start with 1unit for both dozen.
LLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLWLWLWWWWWWWWWWW

TheLaw · July 14, 2014, 04:44:25 AM

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 14, 2014, 04:26:22 AM
Thanks Law,
Unfortunately as u can't show step by step, its hard for me to understand.
Thanks anyway.
BTW, do u have any progression, or strategy, that good to win the double dozen bet???[Labby,Lanky or anything that win mostly in, the average bet selection]
Thanks in advance.

Something that I'm working on right now is a flat betting opportunity for dozens based on JL's Pattern Breaker. Here is a summary :

take your normal Pattern Breaker lines

213
122
331
321
etc

...now, you notice where the first 3 on the third line matches with the first 3 on the fourth line-this is a rare event. If the next bet is based on a 3 (like the one in the third line over the 2), then bet that the 3 over 3 will not repeat (highly unusual to see this pattern). SO your bet in this situation would be...

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3-trigger - bet for this patter not to repeat (bet dozens 1+2)

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32-winner

So far this has won with flat betting (warning-this is a bit of a grind) about 4 units per hour live, or 20 units using RNG.

Good luck!

TheLaw · July 14, 2014, 05:06:49 AM

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 14, 2014, 04:33:58 AM
Hi Law,
U have any idea to solved this? I can't as the staking out of my preferences.

[double dozen bet, bet every spin] start with 1unit for both dozen.
LLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLWLLWLWLWWWWWWWWWWW

A 20 line Labby would work ( for a full explanation, just search Labby on the forums)

Rolex-Watch · July 14, 2014, 04:52:18 PM

Quote from: TheLaw on July 14, 2014, 04:44:25 AM

Something that I'm working on right now is a flat betting opportunity for dozens based on JL's Pattern Breaker. Here is a summary :

take your normal Pattern Breaker lines

213
122
331
321
etc

...now, you notice where the first 3 on the third line matches with the first 3 on the fourth line-this is a rare event. If the next bet is based on a 3 (like the one in the third line over the 2), then bet that the 3 over 3 will not repeat (highly unusual to see this pattern). SO your bet in this situation would be...

331
3-trigger - bet for this patter not to repeat (bet dozens 1+2)

331
32-winner

So far this has won with flat betting (warning-this is a bit of a grind) about 4 units per hour live, or 20 units using RNG.

Good luck!

Hi TheLaw

I've actually played this approach in a B&M casino's, it seemed to hold up well (I didn't flat bet). The issue I had was how many results to write from left to right, writing via rows of 3 is really of no significance, I was looking for some optimum figure when really there isn't. Also I found waiting a little tedious and ended up including other factors.

TheLaw · July 14, 2014, 05:48:08 PM

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on July 14, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
Hi TheLaw

I've actually played this approach in a B&M casino's, it seemed to hold up well (I didn't flat bet). The issue I had was how many results to write from left to right, writing via rows of 3 is really of no significance, I was looking for some optimum figure when really there isn't. Also I found waiting a little tedious and ended up including other factors.

Agreed. A bit too much of a waiting game, but a super conservative winner!

Rolex-Watch · July 14, 2014, 07:36:54 PM

Quote from: TheLaw on July 14, 2014, 05:48:08 PM

Agreed. A bit too much of a waiting game, but a super conservative winner!

It has been a long time since I played this and I recall rationalising writing in rows of 5, more variables (spots) less likely a triple repeat in the same spot.

TheLaw · July 14, 2014, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on July 14, 2014, 07:36:54 PM
It has been a long time since I played this and I recall rationalising writing in rows of 5, more variables (spots) less likely a triple repeat in the same spot.

makes sense - I'm sure there are 100s of different ways to create these "rare" patterns and win long term. Perhaps everyone is chasing ghosts on these forums, when a simple system already exists

Rolex-Watch · July 15, 2014, 12:46:33 AM

Quote from: TheLaw on July 14, 2014, 08:25:59 PM

makes sense - I'm sure there are 100s of different ways to create these "rare" patterns and win long term. Perhaps everyone is chasing ghosts on these forums, when a simple system already exists

My personal opinion having played this, is you won't win flat betting, because you are laying out 2 to win 1, all it takes it the odd back to back repeat (very rare, but I've had it), include the odd zero then try and come back from that betting flat, so then it is the usual progression issues for playing the 3rd's, some form of a Labby was my preference than the expected triple up. Also I ran it on the Dozen's and Columns at the same time.

TheLaw · July 15, 2014, 12:59:20 AM

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on July 15, 2014, 12:46:33 AM
My personal opinion having played this, is you won't win flat betting, because you are laying out 2 to win 1, all it takes it the odd back to back repeat (very rare, but I've had it), include the odd zero then try and come back from that betting flat, so then it is the usual progression issues for playing the 3rd's, some form of a Labby was my preference than the expected triple up. Also I ran it on the Dozen's and Columns at the same time.

I use a 3-line Labby as well, but it may be a little to slow for my taste-also, not sure that there isn't a monster sequence out there waiting to destroy it.

I'm talking to GLC now about a 50-line Labby method that so far has won against every nightmare run that I can find (I started with the "horror" sequences provided a couple of years ago in the Bayes, Fripper discussion). Still waiting for the sequence that can kill it

Albalaha · July 15, 2014, 08:16:03 AM

@Law

Please try to do this real data with worst "High" EC bet over 1600 spins. If your any progression wins over this data without getting too deep in drawdown, it is really worth focusing upon. I worked upon a variety of Labouchere (including my own versions) and found it promising but only if u have millions of chips.

TheLaw · July 15, 2014, 12:14:45 PM

Quote from: Albalaha on July 15, 2014, 08:16:03 AM
@Law

Please try to do this real data with worst "High" EC bet over 1600 spins. If your any progression wins over this data without getting too deep in drawdown, it is really worth focusing upon. I worked upon a variety of Labouchere (including my own versions) and found it promising but only if u have millions of chips.

If you can send me a text doc or pdf (I don't use xcl)I would be happy to take a look