Have we come to a definitely conclusion yet or is it still in the making. If the answer is yes, it would be nice to see it put in action. All these advance talks have killed many brain cells.

Thanks Garfield! Some casinos actually turns them off.  I actually prefer that because I can see the main road better. I've had friends tell me they were winning for weeks using the prediction from the derived roads, that is until i told them that it doesn't really mean what they think it means.  After that they would lose everything and blame me for jinxing.

When I've kept records of the number of correct hands I can guess right in a row two years ago, I recorded 14 straight wins in a row.  That is not following any streaks or chops. It was also subjective predictions.  He base it on interception of all the derived roads against the main road.  I sued to do the same with the beads block and main road, Which I find are decently accurate.  But we all knows anything subjective will no longer be good at some point. Just got a reply back from him saying he won't do live streams.

The person I ran into only uses the cockroad road. She claims to have won since August of last year. The money management occasionaly ups a unit and not any step Marty.  A two step if you wish to interpret it.

My system requires really long hours of play, at least 6 shoes for a decent win and determining win margins.  That is just a lot of work and can't easily be done in many casino scenarios. I've been able to get it to work online with the help of automated Excel sheets but I only plan on playing online until the casinos open up.

A treat perhaps?  I ran into a person that recommended this channel. I have seen countless videos from channels that claims they have the ultimate bet selection. I can tell most of them were just uploading videos of winning sessions. When I ask for live stream, all the channels end up shutting down. This could be the same case but this person explains the the reason for the selection.  I'm so amazed by how accurate it is.  I've seen several of the videos but since I don't understand the derived roads, I really don't understand what he is doing. Anyone wants to investigate?

I don't believe how predictions can be made with very few results or even if there is a lot of results. My own system is a little difficult to run. If this is really this good, I'm ready to drop mine and go for this. Just to make it clear, I'm not promoting this or believe in the membership that he has just decided to offer.  I figure if he has already revealed everything, why is there a need for membership. 

I've tried understanding the derived roads but fail to understand it after several attempts to understand it throughout the years.


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I don't know about most streaks will end at 3 or less. Many years ago, I looked at a set of about 1000 shoes and also did a test with random number generator.  By doing so, you will find out the number of singles will equal that of doubles, doubles equal 3s, 3s equal 4s and so on. That's because singles will be compared to doubles, 3s, 4s and so on. While you may see more singles than doubles, 3s contain doubles, 4s contain doubles, 5s contains doubles and so on.

By cutting doubles and 3s and not playing singles, you have more on the shorter end. Playing a short game though, the distribution isn't the same. For this reason, no progression will always work and guessing the kind of streaks you will get is impossible. Only way to do it is to force it to happen.

I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. John-O about 7 years ago.  He told me he was legendary in the Baccarat community.  Now I know it's true. We shared one of about a 100 system I've ever worked on.

It took me almost a decade to find a system that can profit some and executable. All I can say is, no simple system will work. Issue with complex system is the ability to actually execute it at the casino. Some dealers are just too damn fast and often the game is too slow.

That's Eliot Jacobson.  He's talking about winning as an advantage player.  I personally don't think that is beating Baccarat but if you want to get by living off comps, then that's the way to go.  Don't know about Vegas but it's not so easy to do it at my local casinos. They won't give you comps any longer if you're not playing with your own money for a while.

He tells you to understand the math before you can beat it. I think that is one good advice. Although his problem and most other math junkies is their close mindedness. I doubt he has spent much time at the casino or play the game enough. I was foolish and arrogant when I was younger and paid the price for it. I'll admit that I didn't figure this alone.  I picked up a lot of ideas from people who came up with what I thought were really foolish. Well, after I put all the foolish ideas together, they were not that foolish after all.

Flat betting will not work and neither bet selection or money management alone will work. For a less aggressive play, you can use a two step Martingale. Don't even know if I should call it that but it'll help better understand it. Most if not all system will only work when it's either streaky or short and will fail if it goes the other way. The solution is to force all streaks to be 3 max. Still unable to do that yet but manage to do it for 90 percent of the time.  That is enough to get an edge to win.

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Counting on? Every time I count on something to happen it never does.

Shoe is only great when you win.

Quote from: Baccnine on July 09, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
Just asking for input on how you bet when 1/4 of your buy-in has vanished and you are at a point of "win one, loose one". AND zero dragon7's have shown up to help fill your rack......

Do you flatbet and hope for a few wins in a row? Do you use the 1-3-2-6 progression? Or something other???

This happened to me the other night.....A few quick losses put me in a hole early and I really didn't want to "take a break" since we were still very early into the shoe.....

Baccnine

I would just bet randomly with small bets, occasionally increasing it a little.  As soon as I gain decent amount, I would push all gains from the 1/4 mark and maybe even some.  With a win, it will recover significantly or even give you a gain.  Should you lose that push, repeat.

Should you go below the 1/4 mark to the 1/2 mark, use the half mark as your point to determine new gains and repeat.

Should you go to the 3/4 mark, still repeat the strategy.   I guess everyone gets the point.

Indeed baccarat can be beat in the long run.  This is what I have been waiting to hear.  Many spend a life time trying to find strategies to beat every shoe and guess every single hand.  Once can actually win without any strategy as long as they have a good approach.

One can randomly guess and use random size bets.   Leave when one is up and recover when down.  It takes great discipline.  Key is a huge bankroll and reasonable win expectation.

Quote from: Lugi on April 22, 2019, 07:42:15 AM
I'll make this quick, as I have to walk my dog.

It is so hard to win 5 in a row, and incredibly frustrating to win 3 or 4 and lose the 5th.

If you want to bet positive, have you ever considered the Guetting progression, it will protect you more when you only hit 3 or 4 wins a row?

Thank you Lugi for posting the progression.  I am not heavy with the Math so I have never heard of Guetting before.  I'll analyze it a bit more and give it a try.

Yes, 5 in a row is incredibly hard to do. Although I have done it many times before.  The most recent was 13 correct random bets.  During the two sessions, I loss most on the 2nd and 3rd parlay.  There were a few 4th parlay that I loss on and one where I loss on the final parlay. 

I went with random selection because I hate to force myself to a mechanical bet selection of catching a streak of something or chops.  Then there were times where I had to push on dragon 7 bonuses(my Achilles heel of most of all my systems).

When I ran this on the shoes that I have collected in the past and on the Wizard's site using the chops, it worked real well.  It would be great if others can test this out as I tend to use what's been working for me.

Again, thank you Lugi for a new avenue.

See attached file.  I would have wished to make it visual on the post but I have forgotten how and it's late.  I've made a promise to two members of this form to post this money management that I have came up with recently. 

The first row, which shows 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 is the number of parlays.

The first column shows the mount loss if 10 attempts are made unsuccessfully. The 2nd column is the base bet which you will use to parlay.  You will make 10 attempts with each base units.

The pink in the first column, is the total amount loss total.  I'm sure you can all figure this out with a little time.

The last column shows the amount gain after completing the 5 parlay.

At the bottom, it shows that a successful cycle of parlay on the 47th attempt results in even.  On the 50th attempt, it's a loss of $70.

If you are unable to successfully complete a cycle of parlay and go bust, the total amount loss is $1000.


The idea is to complete one cycle, within 47 attempts.  Once you successfully complete a cycle, you start over with the base bet being $10.

The bet selection can be anything you choose at the moment.

I prefer to choose to catch the alternating wins, or chops as most would call it.  However, I have been randomly selecting.  So far, I have had two successful sessions winning $500 plus.

This is not a method for the impatience as I found out.  I did it just to see how it went at the casino.  I have tried it numerous times at home.

If you're going to follow a mechanical bet selection, I suggest virtually run 10-15 attempts.  This will give you an extra 10-15 attempts in.


I have been playing Baccarat for over 10 years and have played more regularly in recent years.  My strategies have changed due to circumstances at the casino.  So I have come up with over 10 different style of play because each system is not practical in every scenario.  In recent years, I have been playing a random game in terms of money management and bet selection.

The success is due to years of perfecting the bet selection and managing of bet size, which is hard to explain.  The best analogy that I can use to explain this is sculpturing.  In time, you will learn to perfect it.  I hate making these sort of post because it gets no where.

Since this parlay is mechanical and leaves no room questions, I decided to share this.  Hope you all enjoy.

Those are mistakes even experience dealers would make from time to time.  I've saved two person from losing 10K.  To may surprise, a small percentage of players do not know the rules to draw even after playing for years.  They figure dealers will deal correctly.  Believe it or not, some dealers would intentionally make that mistakes for players they don't like.

It took me 6 months before I knew the rules because I didn't play daily and not always every weekend.  I realize it's a disadvantage to not know.  Right after I learned it was when I save to guys that would have loss 10K each.

Yes, I have been the one to call out the dealer's mistake.  Everyone was unhappy but I had to do it for myself.  I had about $200 bet while some had upwards of 2K and on average $500.  I had my bet in first.  I remember the guy with the 2K bet yelling at me, asking why I did that.   I told him that I wasn't going to lose $400 for you sir.  He said he would have paid me.  I think not.  If he meant to, he would have threw me the money before I said anything.

It happened twice on different occasions if I remember correctly.

I have witness mistakes all the time but of course would kept my mouth shut if it had nothing to do with me.

Baccarat = random = disorder

To win strategy:
1. play anti-orderly