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Started by Jimske, June 17, 2017, 12:41:39 PM

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Jimske

First let me say that I don't play much anymore.  There is no leading inicator in random outcomes.  As chance would have it I did a solid for a guy and to my surprise he knew a guy who knew a guy who agreed to show me free of charge (he normally charge 50k) leading indicators in futures.  So that's what I've been up to the last year or so.  And. . .it ain't easy and still a bit of a grind but mechanical and verified.

Haviing explained that; I have gotten a few requests for Baccarat stuff and I want to reiterate that there are no leading indicators in random numbers.  Like my friend Lani, who could write a program for any of these bet placements in a day (and did), used to say.  So you think the game is not random, show me how your predicct the outcome!   :P  We couldn't do it.

I know this is old ground but it deserves resurrecting.  All bet placements return to the EV of the game.  But different ones have different nemesis - differrent patterns that they lose to.  That's why ALL methods have switches or triggers to be employed when losing.  These changes are supposed to be leading indicators that turn the game into a winner.  Therein lies the search for the holy grail.  It doesn't exist.  Enter money managment and progressions as the only way to maybe beat the game - maybe. 

Some of these systems are complicated enough to where you really can't see what the nemesis is.  All you see is bet this way and when this other thing happens then bet that way.  So we may as well just pick a simple placement so we can identify the nemesis and change our style when it pops up.  Some simple ones I like and ones for novices to play with are XXYY, XY, PAIRS.  At least then you can see clearly what is wrong and employ MM and betting amounts.  Other than that devise a way to follow the shoe.

Long time players llike Alrelax and others have their own way of doing this.  Systems like, S40, NOR, Dr. Tom, Alvin and I suppose Tabone all attempt to follow the shoe through counts or patterns so you don't have to learn to do it yourself.  But what happens is that the player concentrates on his card trying to be accurate and doesn't "see" the game.  Note that ALL of these methods use MM and most use some sort of progression.  This is because they can't win flat betting without it.  I'll pick on Stephen again since he is current (nothing personal folks).  When you hear stuff like "get out when things aren't going right" or "quit when you are ahead" head for the hills!  It just means the method is subjective.  You're gambling!

Firm bet placements are better than none just to prevent confusion and maintain focus so you don't end up chasing your tail.  Therein lies the value of systems.  Happy hunting!

Sorry this was so long and IS THERE SPELLCHECK?

alrelax

Quote from: Jimske on June 17, 2017, 12:41:39 PM


Long time players llike Alrelax and others have their own way of doing this.  Systems like, S40, NOR, Dr. Tom, Alvin and I suppose Tabone all attempt to follow the shoe through counts or patterns so you don't have to learn to do it yourself.  But what happens is that the player concentrates on his card trying to be accurate and doesn't "see" the game.  Note that ALL of these methods use MM and most use some sort of progression.  This is because they can't win flat betting without it.  I'll pick on Stephen again since he is current (nothing personal folks).  When you hear stuff like "get out when things aren't going right" or "quit when you are ahead" head for the hills!  It just means the method is subjective.  You're gambling!



You know, I wasn't even going to go on this thread because it was by 'Jimske' whom 'at times' I totally do not agree with because I am stubborn, hard headed, use comical references so many confuse with 'is he really meaning what he just said?' type of responses and other stuff, too lengthy to write here in hopes to explain.

But the paragraph Jimske wrote above I quoted, is really one of the best things I ever read on this board.  Not because my name is in there, because he highlight what real bac in a real casino is all about.  The 5 words Jimske wrote, ......."and Doesn't see the game"......................is so correct and years and years playing the game deduced down to 5 spot on exact words that have such tremendous meaning, guidance and correction ability within them!

I have preached it lately the past few months, M.M. and progressions.  As well, flat betting and wagering every hand will kill you, if not sooner, later.  But most of all and above all, you have to 'see the game from all directions' and for those of you that have no idea what that means, you have not played long enough or lost enough money yet.  The other things along this lines that will kill you, literally--are memory of what won (this shoe--last shoe--yesterday--the other day, whatever) and your refusal to be conscious and paying attention to the psych end of what and why and who influences you while in the casino chair wagering.

In my Blog on this board I took time and wrote a series of 10 articles all concerning this area, if you like--read them, hopefully it won't be a waste of your time, I tried to memorialize what Jimske said in those 5 words, "and Doesn't see the game". 

For the record, I have respect for Jimske (and some others of course) but a great amount for Jimske. I am just a bit outspoken and hot headed, in case you didn't know that and are blind.

That's all I have to say and that all adds up to one way or another, exactly what Jimske said.  We butt heads for my own stupid reasons.  Don't pay attention to that.  I wrote this for the board.  Jimske, if you want it deleted out of your thread, go ahead or ask me and I will.  Thanks, Alrelax.   
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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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stephen tabone

Quote from: alrelax on June 17, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
You know, I wasn't even going to go on this thread because it was by 'Jimske' whom 'at times' I totally do not agree with because I am stubborn, hard headed, use comical references so many confuse with 'is he really meaning what he just said?' type of responses and other stuff, too lengthy to write here in hopes to explain.

But the paragraph Jimske wrote above I quoted, is really one of the best things I ever read on this board.  Not because my name is in there, because he highlight what real bac in a real casino is all about.  The 5 words Jimske wrote, ......."and Doesn't see the game"......................is so correct and years and years playing the game deduced down to 5 spot on exact words that have such tremendous meaning, guidance and correction ability within them!

I have preached it lately the past few months, M.M. and progressions.  As well, flat betting and wagering every hand will kill you, if not sooner, later.  But most of all and above all, you have to 'see the game from all directions' and for those of you that have no idea what that means, you have not played long enough or lost enough money yet.  The other things along this lines that will kill you, literally--are memory of what won (this shoe--last shoe--yesterday--the other day, whatever) and your refusal to be conscious and paying attention to the psych end of what and why and who influences you while in the casino chair wagering.

In my Blog on this board I took time and wrote a series of 10 articles all concerning this area, if you like--read them, hopefully it won't be a waste of your time, I tried to memorialize what Jimske said in those 5 words, "and Doesn't see the game". 

For the record, I have respect for Jimske (and some others of course) but a great amount for Jimske. I am just a bit outspoken and hot headed, in case you didn't know that and are blind.

That's all I have to say and that all adds up to one way or another, exactly what Jimske said.  We butt heads for my own stupid reasons.  Don't pay attention to that.  I wrote this for the board.  Jimske, if you want it deleted out of your thread, go ahead or ask me and I will.  Thanks, Alrelax.

I fully understand how some might want to 'pick on me' but I'm only investing strategies which are modes of play, I can't help it if some find it useful, some win with it, and others don't find it useful and other adapt it. I wrote my strategy because I couldn't find a reliable way of winning. I wrote it for myself. Since I started using it in March 2017 I'm up 196+ units, my flat bet amount is £60. I've spent the funds on further research and a lot of eating out, travel etc. At the end of June I'll be upping my stake by £20, to £80 and will stick on this level for 3 months. I don't play every day in a casino. I bought a holiday home near the black sea and will win a further 10-15k over the few months from winnings to fix up the villa. I need to have put in a new kitchen, bathroom, garage, gardeners small apartment, general improvements to villa and maybe a pool in the garden. I have a lot f expenses generally and manage on my main income which is day trading and investing in the stock market. I developed my strategy using elements of the work I do in day trading. I don't make a lot of money on book sale, it's more of a hobby because I enjoy writing about how to win at gambling games.

alrelax

I have won all ways and lost all different way as well.  I have never been a full time gambler or anything of the like.  I always owned a business or had a career, non-related to gaming. 

However, I seriously do not believe anyone can truly win and win well and win consistently without experiencing losses, many losses and deep losses of all kinds. 

The aforesaid is not meant to describe yourself or combat you in anyway, just talking about winning and advisement--which is the subject here if I am not mistaking. 
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Played well over 35,957 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

THE PURPOSE OF GAMING IS TO WIN!

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that & more.
 
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AsymBacGuy

What about your win rate Jimskie?

as.
Baccarat is 99% skill and 1% luck

CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)

Jimske

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 20, 2017, 02:13:44 AM
What about your win rate Jimskie?

as.
Didn't I already post that over 5000 bets ?  a while back?

AsymBacGuy

Quote from: Jimske on June 20, 2017, 09:06:34 PM
Didn't I already post that over 5000 bets ?  a while back?

I'm surprised you haven't played the game anymore having such a good win rate!
Probably you like more to sailing than gambling. ;-)


as.

Baccarat is 99% skill and 1% luck

CLEAR EYES, FULL HEARTS. CAN'T LOSE
(Friday Night Lights TV series)

I NEVER LOSE.
I EITHER WIN OR LEARN
(Nelson Mandela)

Winners don't do different things, they do things differently (Albalaha)