Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 01:20:43 PMIn the US, it's usually 10K but for some casino, it's 8K.  Off course you can always return 24hrs later to play. 

It's a contentious issue, down-under there is a 10k limit, then you have to sign a government declaration.  However if they think you are trying to circumvent by cashing out $9k and then a few hours later anything more, they are obligated to report it.  Most casinos have a hidden Police station inside he complex.   I had a friend who I used to give money to for change for me and they would say, is that for the other guy! [smiley]yahoo/yahoosigh.gif[/smiley]

At the end of the day, they have a good idea how much people exchange, but why make it easy for them?

Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
A few points...
1.  Nothing to worry about...find another casino, there's plenty about and with $100k you can now afford to fly somewhere else.
2.  I've never heard of a court banning someone from the casino for life but again, simply move shop.

In some parts of the world it ain't that easy, I don't have $100k, I was referring to somebody who won $100k over the course of a year.

Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
That was pretty risky for the casino to set up the shoe to produce all those player runs.  If you smelled a rat you could have made 10 times your original $100k.  I say they deserve the money for taking a big risk to clean you out!

I would have made thousands IF I was there, as it was they had to refill the tray three times during the shoe, people were nearly fighting trying to get bets on, they did get hit.

QuoteYour friend also needs to surprise the casino and change his system when he plays and cash in.  Just one shoe should net $10k don't you think?

I don't know if that is even possible, because he never told me what the method was.

Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
The cards can easily be arranged but it has to depend on the final cut.  Cut at the WRONG spot and shoe is random.  Cut the RIGHT spot and it goes the way it is arranged and you'll see the exact patterns except in a different section due to the cut.

Sorry this is not correct.  A cheap shuffle machine has the ability to record the sequence of every cards after the shuffle, so what can Angle technology do costing $60,000 a piece??  Once [IF] the sequence of the cards are known, placing the cut card simply shifts the start point of the sequence of the entire 8 decks.  I am not suggesting any orchestration is taking place, I am saying the capability exists if they wanted to know in advance how a shoe will pan out. 

In a few casinos I recently played at the cards are pre-shuffled in Japan and placed in a shoe after a cut, with computers you can do amazing things, why / how could they, who knows but all the shoes are kept in marked sealed boxes.  Despite having invested $60k on shuffle machines, they weren't used.  I've also recently played Baccarat dealt via BJ shuffle machines producing never ending shoes.   

Quote from: NoRegret on September 12, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
I don't cash out my chips all at the same time.  I remember getting my ID check with any thing above 2K.  It seems most check for anything 1.2K or more now.  Not that I have anything to hide but I hate cashing out over a certain amount and have my ID checked all the time.

Good move, I usually just take chips home and don't buyin on the next visit.  Or if you know people, swap them for cash in the toilets or get somebody else you trust to cash them for you. 

Quote from: Mars Rocks on September 11, 2015, 11:24:50 AM
I'd like to hear about how the casino cheated.

This is the problem with the internet, you read words on a forum form an opinion not having been there or witnessed anything leading up to why the MF's had to bring my run to a halt, you most probably are in the dark regarding the term "local".  Same as why their sister casino brought to an end to a very successful BJ players action, which is a fairly well known event by regulars in the casino involved.  The latter was not counting but was able to memorise 8 decks, so they sent in a stodge, an event took place, he ended up in court and banned for life.  I guess being up +$100k was too much to tolerate.

I could post what happened (but shall refrain), as it wouldn't tell the whole story, it is the events that took place building up to the fateful evening, the heat from security, the high level of senior management observing my play, staff writing on a clip board every bet I made, which baffles me, cos the eye in the sky surely could have provided the same info, but no, they had somebody standing a few feet away writing down every single bet.  Maybe they suspected I wasn't cashing out everything, which was true.  Also what happened when I requested the so called independent Govt regulator to step in.  What happened a few days later while I was on Holiday (they didn't know that I wouldn't be there) when IMO they took things too far and they ended up being spanked, because a shoe ran something like; 22P, single B, 17P, single B, 11P single B, with the shoe producing 11 Ties which was more than B results (nope I wasn't betting B only), when you skew the decks crazy things can happen, a venue where cards are not laid out prior to being brought into play, also non-squeeze pre auto-shuffler days.  It is fairly common knowledge underhand tactics maybe brought into play if they feel threatened, which I guess losing an average 11k per night for 6 days may have raised concerns regarding their end of year figure, who knows, I don't really care as it was a long time ago, but "best we stop it". 

What happened on the particular evening was IMO more than any freak occurrence, involved 6 tables for the many hours we were there.  They didn't know in advance where we would sit so IMO had to rig every table!!  On the night in question I changed tables twice, looking at the score boards, it wouldn't have mattered if we had changed tables 6 times, same outcome, which is disturbing, plus at the time, too wet behind the ears to smell a rat. 

I suppose improbable things happen every day in life, yet when you piece everything together, mostly the win amounts, the unwritten differentiation between  "local and visitor" (never knew that existed, until it was explained to me).

Recently another friend I was chatting to was telling me, he can beat 1000 "real" shoes at home, but when he steps into the casino to test his theroy, it loses ever time WTF.  Electronics (Angle eye auto shufflers) and gambling is IMO opinion a bad mix.  If they wanted any casino can know in advance how any shoe will play out before the cards have been drawn (refer recent video I posted in cheating thread).  Whether the cards are pre-arranged via EPROMS as more than one person has suggested, one of whom is an electronics whiz explained how it is possible (I'm open minded), also what advantage would it give them, not knowing how players will react to a shoe, which side they will bet and how much is debatable.  Suffice to say, it pays to keep your wits about you.   

obsessed?

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Another example of Baccarat turning otherwise (usually) normal people stupid without them realizing. 

Vermanti a big fan of GR8 apparently.  Peas in the same pod.

Quote from: NoRegret on September 07, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
Someone mention having a larger bankroll doesn't help.  I think it does unless you're playing to scale and expect the same percentage of win.  It's much harder if you have 3K bankroll and expect to win 1k/day than you would with 100k bankroll trying to win 1k/day.

As I said to somebody today (it's great talking face to face), if you have a 3k BR and for example you have to bet 800 ~ 1000 your going to feel nervy, whereas with a 100k BR, you couldn't care less.

Ditto, playing say at even a $25 level, with $2k BR or $25 with a $10k BR, you simply feel different, even if you never have any intention of drawing on the $10k, knowing that it is warming your a$$ gives you confidence.

Yes it is a very tough game, as somebody once said, "you have to burn to learn".  You can never under estimate composure, been there done it, with my "string MM" and "template approaches" that allows me to fictionalise the losing jag, then it becomes strictly a betting and discipline game.

As our teacher says above, "cough a 4 column is only 25%", sure is if you continually get LLW LLLW LLLW.  Are shoes normally like that,are they buggery.  The game is entirely non-predicable and random and sometimes you get, Wxxx, LWxx, Wxxx, where x = no-bet.  However that is from a few years back, I have moved forward since, some are still locked in the mystical fantasy of guessing shoes, even claiming to be masters of such nonsense.  Pattern Capturing to the nth degree is smart way to play.       

Yeah but I've done it. Have witnesses to prove it. Enjoying my third overseas jaunt in 18mths, VIP room, hospitality etc. How about you?

Too busy on the Internet holding your nuts I assume.

Quote from: alrelax on September 06, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
And BTW, basically in the couple hundred thousand range, even one does have it and wants to gamble it on a legit business, all it winds up doing is buying yourself a $500-$1,000 a week job with a huge financial risk that something goes wrong with no cash reserves or credit to bail yourself out.  Just reality.

$500-$1,000 per day job, actually our goal is minimum $2k, I've managed to pull the $1k min per day last year for 5 weeks, I've done 6 days winning $10k per day ($67k in 6 days), until the cas' brought it to a halt via cheating, but that is another story.

Some of you need to move from behind your computer screens and hang out in the real world, it is at casino's chatting to people you get the real low down, sure beats these faceless conversations with nomarks. 

Then you get those that post preposterous claims then run and hide behind weasel excuses at any invitation to hook up. Duck and dive when somebody makes a $10000 challenge at the WoV.  I'm 200% certain he'd love that $10k but also knew his "method" couldn't back up what his mouth was saying, so had to also weasel out of that one as well.

"oh I'm betting smaller now than my previous claimed 3-ville $400 per hand"(like were you ever).  "ooh look at me, computa rated winner", I'm gushing, let's all swoon & bow down.  Major screws loose if you ask me, I know this, because cos' i've met my fair share of normal intelligent people in casinos, once the conversation turns to bet selection, you realize how crazed normal people can be when it comes to gambling, you attempt to enlighten them, then realize they are too far gone.  Sounds like somebody who's been frequenting various board for the last decade, making all kind of claims, but never ever once backed by substance, (keep writing in code loon) LMAO. 

Quote from: gr8player on September 06, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
just as millions of other LOSERS that tried and failed in the past.

Stop taking about yourself, Mr "I gifted the casino's a quarter of a million bucks.   

QuoteNo wonder you're asking around for $100,000

Nobody is asking around for anything. Just like Roberta to twist things.  What is sad, is that you're just like the thousand others in any casino in the world right now, thinks they have something by studying a score board consisting of totally irrelevant historic results while acting like an ostrich to the sad truth.

Hence, bet more shallow, smaller units, I'm sure you'll come full circle and find a $10 table soon, before permanent booboo's. 

In the last 5 months, I've gambled at RWS, MBS Singapore, Sky City Auckland and Adelaide, Jupiters Gold Coast, heading to the Crown, Perth this week, some R&R in Dubai, how you swinging Roberta, getting around a bit are we?

Quote from: NoRegret on September 06, 2015, 04:47:43 AM
Rolex-Watch, 

You are so right about a lot of the professionals being deluded.  I've came across many in the decade that I have played this game.  It really scares me especially when some of them are surgeons and other doctors.  I'm definitely not a math expert, but I can tell what a lot of them said makes no sense.  I am probably delusional to believe that what I have works but so far it is working pretty nicely.   I can't say much about trending or any other system but I can make one guarantee about a fact in Baccarat.

"NO TREND WILL LAST FOREVER!"

Yeah used to share a game with a Doctor, didn't yak to him to discuss his approach.  As for the Trending, ask one of the them, what constitutes a trend, how many hands, more importantly when did they make a move, all you get is waffle and skirting the issue.  Produce mathematical evidence that proves them wrong, produce mathematical proof that there are more ways for any trend not to continue than to continue, they don't want to know because they are so addicted to game, have nothing else, too emotionally involved, invested too much, too scared to face the truth and they continue to live in some deluded world that is basically safe for them.

"Oo'er there is a trend", I'll bet every hand until the trend comes to an end, but the maths is what it is , odds of winning two bets in a row 25%, odds of winning one bet from two 75%, odds of winning four in a row 16/1 against, odds of finding a single win from the next four hands 16/1 in your favour.  No surprise those that promote the futility of trending always lack substance and of course exploring more ways to low bet for glaringly obvious reasons, and the endless waffle continues as it as done so for the last decade.

The number of people I have met in casino's, really top of their game in their respective occupations.  Highly qualified engineers, uni lectures, math experts, electronic experts, programmers, financial consultants, you name it.  Really nice people, intelligent.  Yet when it comes to gambling, Bacc in particular, they are totally DELUDED with their theories.  If these people were certified they would have to build new asylums.  But they don't because there aren't a danger to themselves (except financially) or others. 

They can hold a job, have a meaning relation and basically function in the real world and you can chew the fat, but then when it comes to Baccarat, you realize how sick in the head they are, deluded is not a strong enough word, MAD, NUTS more apt. I've met many people like this, great people, then the topic comes around to Bacc' and bet selection theories  and your sitting there, thinking; Holy mother mountain high, scotty beam me up fast.. 

Doesn't matter how hard you try to educate, wise-up such people, it's like trying to convince a witch he doesn't have magical powers.  This is what the game of Baccarat can do to otherwise normal functional intelligent people and when I squirm away from such fatal interactions I realize why some, one 'internet' person specifically, are the way they are.  While sad, it's reality, thankfully I like to think I don't fall into this category. 

STEER CLEAR OF THEM???    Nobody here has their begging bowl out, it is something I'll most probably tackle alone, However  it doesn't take long before Uncle Roberta pikes up, with his trendy gobbledegook, prior hands having significance on what is going to happen next (LOL).  What is a trend are those players who get spanked, continually look for ways to flatten their bets, then post "oh look at me, I flat bet", when the truth is, I got spanked hard trending and am now totally clueless, I'm scared, so bet as shallow as possible, lowering my chip size, because really I can't risk it, because it's a 50-50 game.

Wayy to go good old Roberta, utterly deluded, does the Borgarta still having you rated as expected to win or a hopeless to far gone clown?  Do the staff still watch you play during their break times, do they applaud when you guess right a 50-50 decision?  Does the car jockey call you 'great player'??  Utterly deluded, you couldn't guess your way out of a soggy paper bag, so best you keep those bets low, just in case.

There are more possible Baccarat shoe combinations than stars in universe (so I've heard) and you claim to be an expert trender, so funny man.

Simpleton territory, what's with the opposing bet??  He could of bet the difference.

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Quote from: NoRegret on September 04, 2015, 11:43:41 PM
I can guarantee the 1%.  1% of 3K everyday.  Not sure about 1% of 100K though.  I do lose on some days because I usually aim 10-20%.   If I stop at 1%, I can do it every day. That is $30.  Of course there will be days that I will lose a few hundred before recovering and then winning.

It's a totally different animal with $100K bankroll.  It's not as simple as just scaling up.  If it goes smooth, 1K with 100k is easy.  Here's where you will get in trouble.  Losing 400-600 of 3K can be recovered without a lot of stress.  If you lose the same percentage with 100K bankroll, that is 20K.  You will most likely panic if you're not used to losing that kind of money.

Don't agree. 

If you start off betting 1000 units, progressing to 10000 bets, sure it would be suicidal. 

Losing 400 ~ 600 betting $100 chips is what percentage of 3k?
Losing 50 ~ 60% of 100k betting $100 chips is what percentage difference??

There is no way on this planet, I would sit there and bring into play / lose 50% of a 100k BR, it is more of a case, when you're placing chips, you're not sweating on the outcome after any rough ride knowing this is the last of your BR.  Never been bankrolled to the hilt?  If you need to place the odd big bet, it is a no drama situation, knowing that if things go further south, you have ample backup for a recovery session.