Hi all,
you can do it ?
:" )
thanks all !
.... can you do it....??
Carlitos 8)
Yeah, it's the easiest game to win and the easiest game to lose. That's all you really need to know.
If long term you mean play, win a few units, leave and repeat over the next day, weeks or months at a time then sure.
If long term you mean 1000 shoes back to back to back to back then no.
Baccarat is simple yes, the house advantage is pretty low but there is so much more to it than that.
Baccarat is about having a plan of action to approach the game of course but an aspect that is overlooked is the physical, mental and emotional strategy that needs to be applied also.
Playing 1000 shoes back to back will not win over the long term due to YOU as a human being, being worn down mentally and emotionally by the casino (this isn't even realistic for a human to do).
Playing 1000 shoes and having a plan that you stick to that not only incorporates how you play the shoe but how you REACT to the shoe, will win over the long term (this is realistic).
O0
Average length of a shoe when Players handle the card and the shoe, also game prep and ready if right at 3 hours. FYI.
On the computer is another story. Mini, is a world of its on, I normally don't engage in.
I've asked mathites on various forum to tell me exactly how many baccarats decision constitutes a "long run" and I've yet to receive a specific straight answer to that question. If the long run is millions or tens of millions of decisions then I will not live long enough to buck up against it, hey hey.
Read Van-Klein Test. 100k placed bets on an EC betting can be considered as "long run". In this much bets, there is almost no room for temporary bias that can mislead you.
I've been winning more than losing the past 2 months. :cheer:
Is this long term already? ???
I agree with Soxfan. Who can define "long term?" ???
I don't trust the math guys. All they do is test millions, quadrillon...of shoes. All they do is talk. If they will only stop talking and start playing the game then, they will probably learn that the game could be beaten, both short-term & long term. :nod:
Natural 9 C:-)
Quote from: Natural 9 on November 09, 2014, 02:29:06 AM
I've been winning more than losing the past 2 months. :cheer:
Is this long term already? ???
I agree with Soxfan. Who can define "long term?" ???
I don't trust the math guys. All they do is test millions, quadrillon...of shoes. All they do is talk. If they will only stop talking and start playing the game then, they will probably learn that the game could be beaten, both short-term & long term. :nod:
Natural 9 C:-)
To the millionth power, thanks, Alrelax
Quote from: Natural 9 on November 09, 2014, 02:29:06 AM
I agree with Soxfan. Who can define "long term?" ???
In the long-term, we're all dead.
Hi all,
I'll show you one way, maybe the only one, to win for a long time, on average, 2 months, 1 year ? and even longer ?
do you believe ?
Thanks all
.... " show me the money "..... and i will be happy to believe :thumbsup:
Carlitos 8)
QuoteIn the long-term, we're all dead.
We have to think of long term, till we are alive and think of playing random games.
Quote from: Q2C_S on November 04, 2014, 02:29:50 AM
Hi all,
you can do it ?
thanks all !
OK, There's the wind up.....
Quote from: Q2C_S on November 10, 2014, 09:32:48 AM
Hi all,
I'll show you one way, maybe the only one, to win for a long time, on average, 2 months, 1 year ? and even longer ?
do you believe ?
Thanks all
And the pitch!
Let's see where the ball winds up.
I figure two, maybe three more "teasers" without something a bit more substantial and it will be "Strike Three".
AD
Its great when member is winning.
I can not understand how they do it.
Because i have not seen any winning method at gambling forums from the year 2006 to today 2014.
So all this members who tell us that they are winning has to be extreme lucky members.
Quote from: Albalaha on November 10, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
We have to think of long term, till we are alive and think of playing random games.
I WAS being optimistic. Most of us are already gone. :rose: :beer: :rose:
:broken: :fight: :scared: :stress: :-[ :-X :'( ;D :yuck: (Take your pick!)
Quote from: Sputnik on November 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
Its great when member is winning.
I can not understand how they do it.
Because i have not seen any winning method at gambling forums from the year 2006 to today 2014.
So all this members who tell us that they are winning has to be extreme lucky members.
Luck's got nothing to do with it, Sputnik, for luck, as we all know, is one fickle bitch.
Sure, you'll never read any "nuts and bolts" method of play that'll assure your winnings; frankly, I find those that expect so to be rather naïve and misdirected.
Winning...true, long term winning...is as much "subjective" (read: personal) as it is "objective", if not more so. It takes a lot of certain personal traits; ain't no simple "nuts and bolts" methodology can possibly suffice to carry anyone through the inherent variances of such.
Lastly, Sputnik, know this:
True, long term winning is MORE about "damage control" (read: loss paring) than it is about winning. Managing one's downturns...yes, make no mistake of it, they are inevitable...managing one's downturns is of paramount importance to any real, long term success. Which leads us to "loss acceptance" and, then, of course, directly into a refined and efficient "loss recoup" methodology.
The real winners know exactly what I'm talking about, without expecting any particular "nuts and bolts" from me or anyone.
Stay well.
Quote from: gr8player on November 10, 2014, 06:14:40 PM
True, long term winning is MORE about "damage control" (read: loss paring) than it is about winning. Managing one's downturns...yes, make no mistake of it, they are inevitable...managing one's downturns is of paramount importance to any real, long term success. Which leads us to "loss acceptance" and, then, of course, directly into a refined and efficient "loss recoup" methodology.
There you go, 30 plus years of casino live playing, I will second that one.
wow ,,, you two are super gamblers and you should educate other gamblers with your super knowledge ...
I wish i know what you know ... then i also would have a winning methodology ...
Reading what you two wrote is like following a guru into the real gambling world ...
Tell me more i also want to change and become a super gambler :-)
Lol.
Damage control is what you do after something like a flood.
There is no damage control for gambling. Ie, if you can win, then no damage to control.
If you can't, then it's your own fault. Ie, stupidity.
Quote from: Sputnik on November 10, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
Tell me more i also want to change and become a super gambler :-)
I like this.
Super Gambler comics.
P.S. My final post. Will be "muted" shortly. Lol.
P.P.S. I'm Garnabby, you jughead johno! (So who was Garnabby?)
There is always (ALWAYS) going to be a downturn in anyone's luck, skill, play at a casino. It is impossible, never has happen that someone constantly wins at the casino, week in and week out (meaning several trips a months say 4 to 6 year after year. It has never happened to the best of my knowledge, at least in the USA. I also have the benefit of numerous family members in casino employment that work on the average 60 hours per week on the casino floor and several of them in excess of 80 or 90 hours a week for decades now.
I seriously think for the sake of discussion and argument that, some of us misinterpret the other posters terminology.
Damage control is just another term for chasing losses.
Chasing losses to me is upwards progression from normal wagers and extended play time.
Damage control is limiting wagers, waiting, stopping the trip or re-grouping if doing something out of your norm/ordinary, etc.
Quote from: Dr. Mabuse on November 10, 2014, 07:36:12 PM
Damage control is just another term for chasing losses.
An interesting viewpoint put forward by Dr. Mabuse, but I'd like to hear what NathanDetroit thinks.
Quote from: Sputnik on November 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
Its great when member is winning.
I can not understand how they do it.
Because i have not seen any winning method at gambling forums from the year 2006 to today 2014.
So all this members who tell us that they are winning has to be extreme lucky members.
Because the game is
"egalité", equal in every sense of the word, therefore no bet selection is going to cut it. what generally happens is, a bet selection will either stink off the bat, or you may have a good run with it, then it will stink at some stage. How much you win before it smells, how much you limit the damage (draw-down) before giving it up, is entirely up to you. Sad indictment not enough realize / appreciate that which side you bet next will always be secondary to the amount bet.
Quote from: alrelax on November 10, 2014, 07:24:49 PM
There is always (ALWAYS) going to be a downturn in anyone's luck, skill, play at a casino. It is impossible, never has happen that someone constantly wins at the casino, week in and week out
Hmm excuse me :cheer: I've done just that, not quite few times per month (I've done that also), rather 7 days per week (had nothing else to do, enjoyed taking their money), won every single trip for 5 weeks solid (multiple daily sessions sometimes) , increasing the original buyin 25 fold (I then left the state).
Is there a system to enable a player to win consistently NO, because I changed how I played many times over, tome it comes down to; the person, how they handle stress, draw-downs, table smarts, secondly playing conditions, multiple tables, different spreads, 24hrs, able to request either free hands or bet both sides, 8 decks, hand shuffled as opposed to, single table, 6am closing, unable to bet both sides or no free hands, no other players, tight table limits, angel pre-shuffled, 6 deck games.
Absolutely, small/short period of time. Yes, possible. Long term/long range/year after year. No way. Cannot and never been done. A couple sessions per week, 8-10 a month and every month for year after year, constitutes long term. Cannot be done, never been done.
A couple times a month for a very short period, a few hands, a few spins, etc., a couple times a year. Maybe.
I have won for a period of 7 or 10 trips overall also, meaning not an average, each and every trip. I know plenty of others also. But not consistently over the long run.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 10, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Sad indictment not enough realize / appreciate that which side you bet next will always be secondary to the amount bet.
That's true! Let's face it, you can screw up even if your bet selection is on song if you don't get the money side of things right. Been there and done that before.
Quote from: alrelax on November 10, 2014, 08:59:57 PM
Absolutely, small/short period of time. Yes, possible. Long term/long range/year after year. No way. Cannot and never been done. A couple sessions per week, 8-10 a month and every month for year after year, constitutes long term. Cannot be done, never been done.
A couple times a month for a very short period, a few hands, a few spins, etc., a couple times a year. Maybe.
I have won for a period of 7 or 10 trips overall also, meaning not an average, each and every trip. I know plenty of others also. But not consistently over the long run.
Long period of time squeezed into short period? Something in the region of 31 consecutive winning sessions, 2 losing session then 10 consecutive winning sessions(not including coming 1st in first ever Bacc Tournament for free $5k), fly away into the sunset.
Okay, you win. Period. Absolutely. Now, write your system and sell it like the rest.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 10, 2014, 09:35:56 PM(... not including coming 1st in first ever Bacc Tournament for free $5k), fly away into the sunset.)
Did it go something like,
"Played in my first ever tournament two night. Got the first shoe all wrong after they said it will only consist of 24 hands. Scraped through by a sole $100 chip, was given 20k in free chips. Everybody scanning the score board, I just focused on looking at other players chip stacks. Going into the last 3 hands I was $18k away from 1st place, currently in second. You have to bet in order, no secret notes. Thankfully I was last and 2nd to last for the last few hands.
1st place player bet the table max of 10k, he was already in front , so no point in me copying him, so bet $10k on the opposite. He lost I won and came in first. Absolutely rapped, won $5000 in free play chips. So bet $2500 each side, then $1300 each side, $600 each side and halved everything thereafter. Walked with a free $4835 for less than two hours of fun."
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/15086-baccarat-tournament-strategy/
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Sounds like you screwed up, and got lucky?
At least, you added "free" tournament this time around.
Why didn't you put the $5,000 on the player?
Such an expert player could've saved the $165 on commission, and did it again.
That's all that survived of that $5,000... an imaginary play.
Lol, johno.
Rinzler: you wrote earlier : "P.P.S. I'm Garnabby, you jughead johno! (So who was Garnabby?)"
(Another identity crisis? LOL).
That's easy to say. How would anyone know?
Quote from: Rinzler on November 10, 2014, 10:44:05 PM
Why didn't you put the $5,000 on the player?
Such an expert player could've saved the $165 on commission, and did it again.
That's all that survived of that $5,000... an imaginary play.
Lol, johno.
a bit too coherent to be garnabby, he prefers the ID of egalite. Can't make my mind up if you are plain stu_pid or are so riddled with envy, you simply don't comprehend. Try avoid having to pay those hefty $35 ATM fee when the
"patterns within patterns" just end up \\\\\\ or is it ////// who knows? Maybe stick to your gags about Ebola and the shooting down of civilian aircraft including the loss of American lives. I understand here are many nationalities who despise the US for it's foreign policy, but don't you reside in New York!!!
Quote from: alrelax on November 10, 2014, 09:41:43 PMOkay, you win. Period. Absolutely. Now, write your system and sell it like the rest.
Sorry against my principal to sell anything related to gambling, I have morals.
If things work out, I'll be in this joint the weekend http://www.theritzclub.com/
Quote from: esoito on November 10, 2014, 11:35:38 PM
Rinzler: you wrote earlier : "P.P.S. I'm Garnabby, you jughead johno! (So who was Garnabby?)"
(Another identity crisis? LOL).
That's easy to say. How would anyone know?
I'd like to wager Garnabby was actually two people, or the name represents two people.
I'll have $50 on that please...
Dear friends,
Let me say,my pent-up, 0-cent opinion..[smiley]aes/evil.png[/smiley]
To win in Baccarat, or any EC game,
we need ...
1] BET-SELECTION, that can win more than 40%
of bet [taken bet...or otherwise]
2] a very mild progression,..that will win at least 1u, up to 200bet.
3]and BR... that can stand up to over 200 bet!!!
So if u can't have any BET-SELECTION method that will win more than 40% constantly..
then just forget the word CASINO! :whistle:
U also need to understand how to avoid or to manage VARIANCE.
The only member of this much beloved forum, who could explain about VARIANCE MANAGEMENT much better than others , is ALBALAHA.
[Search his website, BTW its free!]
But it is sad that peoples keep harping on other petty issues, and seems to avoid understanding the core of LOSING in gambling.... :thumbsdown:[smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley]
When u could fully understand VARIANCE,..and still can't figured out a bet selection that could have >40% hit...
then u could make a decision ..
to bet,
or not to bet.
in other words,
to lose ,
or not to lose ...MONEY.[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]
Quote from: greenguy on November 11, 2014, 05:49:27 AM
I'd like to wager Garnabby was actually two people, or the name represents two people.
I'll have $50 on that please...
You won it back, Skakus!
(Yes, there's no Mark Garnabby. Only the former superintendents, Garn (real name Ihor), and Gabby (real name Gabrielle).)
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 11, 2014, 12:25:01 AMTry avoid having to pay those hefty $35 ATM fee when the "patterns within patterns" just end up \\\\\\ or is it ////// who knows? Maybe stick to your gags about Ebola and the shooting down of civilian aircraft including the loss of American lives.
If things work out, I'll be in this joint the weekend http://www.theritzclub.com/
johno, you have to be the biggest unpleasant this side of Mercury, and before Uranus.
If I'm not DMSCR, then who am I?
Quote from: esoito on November 10, 2014, 11:35:38 PM
Rinzler: you wrote earlier : "P.P.S. I'm Garnabby, you jughead johno! (So who was Garnabby?)"
(Another identity crisis? LOL).
That's easy to say. How would anyone know?
I'm worried that johno has lost his young-man rage.
Besides, somebody has to feed his wanton paranoia from time to time.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on November 11, 2014, 07:19:18 AM
Dear friends,
Let me say,my pent-up, 0-cent opinion..[smiley]aes/evil.png[/smiley]
To win in Baccarat, or any EC game,
we need ...
1] BET-SELECTION, that can win more than 40%
of bet [taken bet...or otherwise]
2] a very mild progression,..that will win at least 1u, up to 200bet.
3]and BR... that can stand up to over 200 bet!!!
So if u can't have any BET-SELECTION method that will win more than 40% constantly..
then just forget the word CASINO! :whistle:
U also need to understand how to avoid or to manage VARIANCE.
The only member of this much beloved forum, who could explain about VARIANCE MANAGEMENT much better than others , is ALBALAHA.
[Search his website, BTW its free!]
But it is sad that peoples keep harping on other petty issues, and seems to avoid understanding the core of LOSING in gambling.... :thumbsdown:[smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley]
When u could fully understand VARIANCE,..and still can't figured out a bet selection that could have >40% hit...
then u could make a decision ..
to bet,
or not to bet.
in other words,
to lose ,
or not to lose ...MONEY.[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]
Say whatever you want to say, and twist and turn it to say it's Variance and a host of other things, all defined.
But it all boils down to a dose of 'luck' and 'control', without those all your methods and skill doesn't mean that proverbial pile of 'jack'.
'I am no newbie or player with a year or two of experience. I play steady for over 3 decades, seen just about everything you can ever think of. Win, loss, multi million dollar jack pots, long win streaks, long losing streaks, and many other things.
You can have all the statisticals and methods until you know them, believe them and abide by them inside and outside. Without a certain amount of 'luck' and 'self-control' (things cannot and will not go your way, so to speak) you cannot capitalize on those stats, methods and understanding of gambling and random result games.
Luck is a combination of things in general going your way or you converting and riding the tracks with the way things are going. There is a certain amount of Karma involved in the process. Maybe people realize that with experience and time, maybe not? But the down-sides to gambling, 'the losses' are contributable to something we cannot all define with explicitness and words. There are too many undefined events in gaming that has to do with 'randomness'. Period.
What nonsense is Rinzler talking about ?
Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 11, 2014, 06:14:38 PM
What nonsense is Rinzler talking about ?
Oh well. I tried.
P.S. You have to grab Nathan's replies where and while you can.
Quote from: alrelax on November 11, 2014, 05:24:27 PM
But it all boils down to a dose of 'luck' and 'control', without those all your methods and skill doesn't mean that proverbial pile of 'jack'.
You can get lucky on any individual hand, such as winning 9-8 or tie'ing 9-9, winning 7-6 etc. It requires something more than luck to win on a consistent basis.
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 11, 2014, 11:07:56 PM
You can get lucky on any individual hand, such as winning 9-8 or tie'ing 9-9, winning 7-6 etc. It requires something more than luck to win on a consistent basis.
Absolutely, 1,000% you are correct. I re-emphasize with a 'dose', meaning added on the side and sporadically. NFL football. Come on, besides the team effort, there is always an element of luck that could have played into event(s). Certain talent matched up player for player and team for team would say one thing, get my drift??
Quote from: alrelax on November 11, 2014, 05:24:27 PM
'I am no newbie or player with a year or two of experience. I play steady for over 3 decades, seen just about everything you can ever think of. Win, loss, multi million dollar jack pots, long win streaks, long losing streaks, and many other things.
Period.
RELAX Brother,
So your unlucky LUCK, after being recycle for 30 years, and still try to recycle your unlucky luckkkk??? hahahahaaaaaa![smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]
Quote from: Rinzler on November 11, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
johno, you have to be the biggest dip**** this side of Mercury, and before Uranus.
If I'm not DMSCR, then who am I?
Seeing that esoito has blocked me, I shall ask this question publicly. I type an 8 letter word directed at no body that begins with BULL**** and I get censored and the offending word is removed. However Rinzler directs the word dip**** at a fellow board member, gets censored yet the offending term remains. Obviously me and esoito are not bosom buddies, however it would be nice to see a bit of fairness applied here, otherwise I might form the wrong impression, if you get my drift.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on November 11, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
RELAX Brother,
So your unlucky LUCK, after being recycle for 30 years, and still try to recycle your unlucky luckkkk??? hahahahaaaaaa![smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]
You don't know me or have ever gambled with me. I would not trade anything I did (well there was the x-wife but all in all......that's another story) for another route. I had some great wins, many of them. I had some losses. Nothing lost changed my life. The wins were enriching and most of the wins money bought toys and material things. Like I said, experience, fun, lots of relationships and never gambled to make money. (Please don't twist that around by saying I don't care if I lose, everyone wants to win).