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[alrelax]

Meaning full time, no job and relying on casino gaming wins for your income.

In short and reality:

There are numerous stories of card counters and people who study out of balance roulette wheels who did well until the casinos caught on and eliminated their edge.   Sports bettors operating with superior information, particularly Billy Walters, can make a lot of money because they actually have an edge in what is still a game of chance.  To make a living playing poker requires superior skill matched up against inferior players.   Most of the people claiming to make a living are experiencing a temporary winning streak, the longevity of which can be extended by infrequent play.   There are also numerous promoters selling their books or tout sheets who should be looked at with a healthy dose of skepticism.

As far as baccarat, all I can say is it is similar to poker.  Meaning, if you are experienced and really know what can happen--then the house becomes the other skilled player. 

The successful gamblers would be laying low.

If you go into a casino risking 10 million dollars looking to win only $100,000 a year, the odds are good you could probably be "successful" and get away with it before you ever died. If you believe you can take thousands of dollars into a casino and win tens of thousands and continue doing that week after week, you have some serious waking up to do.  Others will try, but you would just be fooling yourself.

I said it before on here, gambling, wagering, playing a game against the house, whatever it might be-it is the same thing as a bunch of NASCAR race teams all lined up to race.  Supposedly all the cars are equal.  The drivers are all great and all have a tremendous amount of skill.  Some will win and some will lose.  On the following weekend, the same ones might win once again and continue winning for a while or that same one can just as easily lose for an equal or a greater period of time. Doesn't mean the ones that did win are any more talented that the ones that lost.  Their is chance involved, which some might also call luck.  But there is definitely chance involved in all casino games that a 'system' or a 'bet placement method' can not conquer.   

[Ted009]

I agreed with you Alrelax. Anybody who claims that he or she never losses is insane.
One pro player can lose 7- 14 days straight and what does that player do? He or she limited his or her losses to the minimum. I know it is easier said then done.
I know one man by the name of John in my area. I have played baccarat with him numerous times. His source of income is baccarat. I kid you not. By the time he made his first bet, I already lost thousands, lol. Yup, he has gotten the most disciplines that I know of.
He was not that friendly to me after I failed many times at the tables with him. I used that as my learning curve.


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Meaning full time, no job and relying on casino gaming wins for your income.

In short and reality:

There are numerous stories of card counters and people who study out of balance roulette wheels who did well until the casinos caught on and eliminated their edge.   Sports bettors operating with superior information, particularly Billy Walters, can make a lot of money because they actually have an edge in what is still a game of chance.  To make a living playing poker requires superior skill matched up against inferior players.   Most of the people claiming to make a living are experiencing a temporary winning streak, the longevity of which can be extended by infrequent play.   There are also numerous promoters selling their books or tout sheets who should be looked at with a healthy dose of skepticism.

As far as baccarat, all I can say is it is similar to poker.  Meaning, if you are experienced and really know what can happen--then the house becomes the other skilled player. 

The successful gamblers would be laying low.

If you go into a casino risking 10 million dollars looking to win only $100,000 a year, the odds are good you could probably be "successful" and get away with it before you ever died. If you believe you can take thousands of dollars into a casino and win tens of thousands and continue doing that week after week, you have some serious waking up to do.  Others will try, but you would just be fooling yourself.

I said it before on here, gambling, wagering, playing a game against the house, whatever it might be-it is the same thing as a bunch of NASCAR race teams all lined up to race.  Supposedly all the cars are equal.  The drivers are all great and all have a tremendous amount of skill.  Some will win and some will lose.  On the following weekend, the same ones might win once again and continue winning for a while or that same one can just as easily lose for an equal or a greater period of time. Doesn't mean the ones that did win are any more talented that the ones that lost.  Their is chance involved, which some might also call luck.  But there is definitely chance involved in all casino games that a 'system' or a 'bet placement method' can not conquer.
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[soxfan]

The baccarats has been my full time gig for the past several years and my only source of active income. Most cats don't have realistic expectation and lacking in balls/bankroll, hey hey.

[alrelax]

Ted009, as an experienced and long time player, summed it up great!  After reading so much on the internet, all of the gibberish about the small group of persistent and comical posters claiming professional, redundant, always winning on the numbers and pre-scheduled bet selection wagering, score cards and theory they all employ, is comical!