0.01543209876. Fascinating result! It´s the result of 5/6 X 4/6 X 3/6 X 2/6 X 1/6. The probability that DS 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30 and 31-36 all come in six spins (zero is ignored).
In most cases it takes more than ten spins for all six groups to come. So in the beginning of the session I simply bet (flat bet) the latest group.
In many cases I´ll get TWO hits in this way. As a matter of fact I hope to get EXACTLY TWO hits, before all six have come. Right after the two hits I "switch over" and only bet the groups that have not come. I then leave a group after a hit there.
The session ends if all six groups turn up. It also ends if the latest group comes again (after the initial two hits). As any experienced gambler knows, one DS may skive for a long time.
My first 25 sessions (from the 25 first days of 2010, table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden) resulted in +40 units.
Good luck!
Dane
I don't understand how you play. But i understand that a dice has 98,5% hitting at least one repeat during one cycle of 6 throws/trails.
1.5% that is will show each side once during one cycle of 6 throws.
I also know that 98,5% of all sequential windows have imbalance where at least one side sleep for 789 10 11 12 up to 30 times.
So feel free to elaborate more about how you play.
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on June 30, 2013, 12:33:49 PM
I don't understand how you play. But i understand that a dice has 98,5% hitting at least one repeat during one cycle of 6 throws/trails.
1.5% that is will show each side once during one cycle of 6 throws.
I also know that 98,5% of all sequential windows have imbalance where at least one side sleep for 789 10 11 12 up to 30 times.
So feel free to elaborate more about how you play.
Cheers
Some old professor or math in a television show once said that at least one side of a dice can sleep 100 times! Anyway:
1 = 1-6
2 = 7-12
3 = 13-18
4 = 19-24
5 = 25-30
6 = 31-36.
05.02.2010, table 3
35 bet 6.
27 - 5.
26 - 5. (notice: FIRST HIT)
11 - 2.
20 - 4.
34 - 6.
21 - 4.
25 - 5.
20 - 4.
20............NOTICE: SECOND HIT! I expect exactly TWO hits in this way, before all six groups come. In other words:
It is time to bet the remaining (missing, sleeping or skiving) groups.
BET DS 1 AND 3.
1 BET DS 3.
3 END OF SESSION! The latest group repeated. I hope it´s all clear now.
Hi Dane
So it's basically wait for one DS to hit 3 times in total, then
bet remaining unhit DS/s?
Cheers
Hi Dane
Thanks for the clarification. It may take quite a while before being able to make a bet......??
Cheers
R
Oh no! I start betting right after the first spin (area 1-36). The first spin (from the 5th of January 2010): 35.
I bet DS 6. The next spin: 27. I bet BS 5 and win, when 26 comes.
After two hits I stop betting the latest group and start betting the unhit group(s). I leave them as they come.
But, as I tried to explain, I end the session if the latest group repeats (that would have been the 3RD hit had I not left betting the latest group).
In some sessions all six groups come (that also ends the session).
I hope that it is clear now. Cheers
Dane
It reminds me of;
L-ines
E-liminated
T-o
W-in
or LET WIN method from other forum...very similar.Will look into this one as it is very interesting.
Hi Dane
Thanks for replying ; I have tested it on live wheel with very good results so far.
However, I have a couple of questions in relation to the above example: When
the number 26 came, do u still keep on betting on DS 5.....?
In the above example, after 2 hits you bet on DS 1 and DS 3; However, for how about many
spins will u bet on them.....? Would you give up after say 3 or 6 LLLLLL's if they suddenly become
sleepers......? Would you use normal DS progression......? thanks.
Cheers
R
Quote from: Rouletta on June 30, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
Hi Dane
Thanks for replying ; I have tested it on live wheel with very good results so far.
However, I have a couple of questions in relation to the above example: When
the number 26 came, do u still keep on betting on DS 5…..?
In the above example, after 2 hits you bet on DS 1 and DS 3; However, for how about many
spins will u bet on them…..? Would you give up after say 3 or 6 LLLLLL's if they suddenly become
sleepers......? Would you use normal DS progression......? thanks.
Cheers
R
Hi R
In the beginning I simply bet on the latest group. After TWO hits I bet only the skiving groups.
And I stop betting a skiving group as soon as it comes.
I do not know what you mean by "normal DS progression". But here I do not use any progression at all.
I prefer "masse égale" or flat betting.
Cheers
Dane
Hi Dane
Thanks for replying; Another clarification if the two hits is in the same double
street; Do u still count it as two hits...., or it has to be in two different DS...?
During testing on live wheel I have frequently seen the two hits come one after the
other or three hits come very quickly; Would you quit as you have
achieved the three hit; and start a new game afterwards.....; or would
you continue.... To try to get more hits.....? For ex:
5 Bet DS 1
5 Win – rebet DS 1
34 Loss – Bet DS 1 and 6
6 Win – Bet Ds 1 and 6
31 Win – The 3 wins are achieved quickly, What would you do next.....??
Regarding your question what I meant by "normal DS progression" is if my BR
is lower, I increase bet size by 1 after a win (Plus coup progression).
Thanks
Cheers
R
Dane,
I have tried playing 100 spins using your method. Would you be kind enough to let me know whether this is right?
[reveal=100 spins]
[csv=,]
Spin,Bank roll,Notes
36,100,Repeater bet
36,105,
28,104,
13,103,
31,102,
28,101,
29,106,"Two hits. Aim for sleepers 1-2-4"
21,109,"Aim for sleepers 1-2"
2,113,Aim for sleepers 2
35,112,
27,111,
33,110,
25,109,
20,108,
5,107,
36,106,
32,105,Third double hit start re-tracking
9,105,Repeater bets
0,104,
33,103,
5,102,
22,101,
25,100,
33,99,
6,98,
26,97,
16,96,All six appeared. Retrack
3,96,Repeater bets
3,101,
6,106,"Second double hit. start on sleepers"
18,107,
15,103,third double hit. Start retracking
33,103,Repeater bets
17,102,
2,101,
18,100,
30,99,
1,98,
28,97,
15,96,
32,95,
33,100,
29,99,
8,98,
8,103,"Second hit. go for sleepers."
21,108,All six appeared. Retrack
28,108,
21,107,
25,106,
31,105,
25,104,
35,103,
30,102,
17,101,
14,106,
32,105,
24,104,
36,103,
20,102,
20,107,Second hit. Go for sleepers
14,105,
24,103,
13,101,
11,105,
31,104,
10,103,
35,102,
17,101,
32,100,
4,105,All six appeared. Retrack
16,105,Repeater bets
20,104,
20,109,
27,108,
36,107,
7,106,
2,105,All six appeared. Rettrack
30,105,Repeater bets
26,110,
8,109,
8,114,Go for sleepers
5,116,
8,113,
33,116,
16,120,
19,125,All six appeared. Retrack.
17,125,Repeater bets
9,124,
24,123,
27,122,
7,121,
29,120,
0,119,
27,124,
28,129,Second hit. Go for sleepers
13,127,
32,131,
11,130,
23,129,
1,134,All six appeared. Retrack.
[/csv]
[/reveal]
Rouletta
In your example, after the second win on DS 1, shouldn't you then bet the unhit or 'skiving' DS's?
Quote from: Rouletta on July 01, 2013, 10:19:15 AM
5 Bet DS 1
5 Win – rebet DS 1
34 Loss – Bet Ds 1 and6
6 Win – Bet DS 1 and 6
31 Win – The 3 wins are achieved quickly, What would you do next.....?? Bet DS6.
I don't think we have achieved 3 wins.
If I understand correct, it should be played like this. Dane, can you confirm.
Quote from: Rouletta on July 01, 2013, 10:19:15 AM
Hi Dane
Thanks for replying; Another clarification if the two hits is in the same double
street; Do u still count it as two hits...., or it has to be in two different DS...?
During testing on live wheel I have frequently seen the two hits come one after the
other or three hits come very quickly; Would you quit as you have
achieved the three hit; and start a new game afterwards.....; or would
you continue.... To try to get more hits.....? For ex:
5 Bet DS 1
5 Win – rebet DS 1
34 Loss – Bet DS 1 and 6
6 Win – Bet Ds 1 and 6
31 Win – The 3 wins are achieved quickly, What would you do next.....??
Regarding your question what I meant by "normal DS progression" is if my BR
is lower, I increase bet size by 1 after a win (Plus coup progression).
Thanks
Cheers
R
Hi R
Two hits are two hits; you can count on that! In the beginning I bet on THE LATEST DS ONLY; and I hope to win twice in this way, before all six have turned up. If you want to, you may choose another number of hits. It should be clear by now, however, that I have chosen TWO. After that I bet the DS that have not come yet.
5 BET DS 1
5 BET DS 1. Notice: This is my first hit.
34 BET DS 6, only DS 6 and nothing but DS 6!
6 BET DS 1
31 BET DS 6
33......Notice: This is my SECOND HIT! Now I stop betting the latest DS and turn to the skiving DS.
BET DS 2, DS 3, DS 4, and DS 5
25 Leave DS 5. BET DS 2, DS 3, DS 4
13 Leave DS 3. BET DS 2 and DS 4
15. END OF SESSION. The latest DS reappeared. No more bets, please! :forbidden:
Cheers
Dane
Quote from: Priyanka on July 01, 2013, 11:52:49 AM
Dane,
I have tried playing 100 spins using your method. Would you be kind enough to let me know whether this is right?
[reveal=100 spins]
[csv=,]
Spin,Bank roll,Notes
36,100,Repeater bet
36,105,
28,104,
13,103,
31,102,
28,101,
29,106,"Two hits. Aim for sleepers 1-2-4"
21,109,"Aim for sleepers 1-2"
2,113,Aim for sleepers 2
35,112,
27,111,
33,110,
25,109,
20,108,
5,107,
36,106,
32,105,Third double hit start re-tracking
9,105,Repeater bets
0,104,
33,103,
5,102,
22,101,
25,100,
33,99,
6,98,
26,97,
16,96,All six appeared. Retrack
3,96,Repeater bets
3,101,
6,106,"Second double hit. start on sleepers"
18,107,
15,103,third double hit. Start retracking
33,103,Repeater bets
17,102,
2,101,
18,100,
30,99,
1,98,
28,97,
15,96,
32,95,
33,100,
29,99,
8,98,
8,103,"Second hit. go for sleepers."
21,108,All six appeared. Retrack
28,108,
21,107,
25,106,
31,105,
25,104,
35,103,
30,102,
17,101,
14,106,
32,105,
24,104,
36,103,
20,102,
20,107,Second hit. Go for sleepers
14,105,
24,103,
13,101,
11,105,
31,104,
10,103,
35,102,
17,101,
32,100,
4,105,All six appeared. Retrack
16,105,Repeater bets
20,104,
20,109,
27,108,
36,107,
7,106,
2,105,All six appeared. Rettrack
30,105,Repeater bets
26,110,
8,109,
8,114,Go for sleepers
5,116,
8,113,
33,116,
16,120,
19,125,All six appeared. Retrack.
17,125,Repeater bets
9,124,
24,123,
27,122,
7,121,
29,120,
0,119,
27,124,
28,129,Second hit. Go for sleepers
13,127,
32,131,
11,130,
23,129,
1,134,All six appeared. Retrack.
[/csv]
[/reveal]
Congratulations, Priyanka! You have played in accordance with the :cheer: PRIMORDIAL :cheer: version!
Thanks Dane for the prompt response! As this is the first system that I came across and this plays to my favourite which is lines, am going to use this for my first real money bet.
Quote from: Priyanka on July 01, 2013, 12:39:46 PM
Thanks Dane for the prompt response! As this is the first system that I came across and this plays to my favourite which is lines, am going to use this for my first real money bet.
Good luck! Or as Bob Dylan might have said: Love Minus Zero (No Limits) :whistle:
As I start playing this system, I have created an excel tracker which can be found in http://betselection.cc/community-software/0-01543209876-tracker/ (http://betselection.cc/community-software/0-01543209876-tracker/)
Hi Dane / BW
Thanks for clarifying; everything is clear to me now. It is a very good
straight forward system which produce great results :thumbsup: ; Who said roulette
was impossible to be beaten lol .........??
@ Priyanka welcome on board and thanks for sharing.
Cheers
R
Quote from: Rouletta on July 01, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
Who said roulette was impossible to be beaten lol .........??
So, R, are (geez, I sound like a pirate) you saying this little jewel will beat the game? It's the long-sought-after "Holy Grail"?
Should we open the bubbly?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 01, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
Should we open the bubbly?
Watch out for the cork in the head!
Sam / Drazen
For today it was possible to beat the game.....; but with Roulette,
we live one day at a time......; Based upon testing the results are
quite promising; may be..... just may be we may have the DNHG
here.....who knows.........??
However, don't rush to open the bubbly yet until further testing.......
lol lol :thumbsup:
Cheers
R
Time is still essential. A system should be tested for a long time. HARD WORK! But I am going to be a tourist in Berlin for a few days.
Having BUBBLE TROUBLES? :o Englisk proverb:
"Thousands drink themselves to death, before one dies of thirst"!
Hi Dane,
Great strategy!!
I am new to this forum but not to Roulette. I have been playing Lines(double streets) almost exclusively for many years. I play 3xDS as an EC bet, 2xDS as a 2/1 bet(not dozens) and single DS's. I rarely play 4xDS as I dislke odds on bets.
I ran your strategy with 1500 spins from my previous results.
Final total 81
Highest Total 113
Lowest total -40
Longest streak w/o Pair 25
Biggest loss in session 23 (same session)
Like all flat bet strategies it tends to bog down then show spurts of wins and losses. I quickly went to mid teens, then hung there a while before going to 30.s. Then a steady increase into the 60's, a drop back to the high 20's, then back to the high 50's, then a horrorfying drop all the way to -40. It stayed for some 13 sessions at around -20 then steadily climbed to over 100. It stayed in minus figures for nearly 200 spins. All the losing spins came in a clump and as the whole test was taken from a weeks play at the same casino. This suggests that a break in play would have been a good idea. Had I been playing this strategy at the time I would have definately stopped and moved to another table or casino.
I have to log off now but I will post more later.
Regards Harry
[mod]Just a quick note here, from me, Chrisbis, that I invited harryj over from RouletteForum.com I hope nobody minds, that he has jumped straight in here with his first post, as against saying "Hi" in the Newcomers Lounge suite, where for today only, we have Air-Conditioning, at no extra charge for all our English UK based cousins.Thank you for reading.Do continue harrj...... [/mod]
Welcome to the family Harry [smiley]msn/right_hug.png[/smiley]
Hi, back again.
I haven't had a chance to study my results yet but the impression I got as I played out the spins was that the basic idea lent itself to tweaking in a number of ways. 80 may not seem much in 1500 spins but it is over 5%. BR requirements are very low. I would be quite happy playing this with a 50u BR. It might be a good way to play through Bonuses or fill in the time while you are waiting for a trigger.
I like low risk and the ability to cut and run if things don't feel right. You're not chained to the chair and the casino will still be there when you come back.
go well Harry
Hi HarryJ. Welcome. I have been a tourist in Berlin and did not see your posts before now. I am glad that this method suits you.
[smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley] Cheers
Dane
Hi Dane,
sorry about the delay in replying I was very busy yesterday and didn't log on until late.
I would be extremely inerested in your thought process as you developed this strategy. I have never been a flat bet player but this might convert me.
Good punting.... Harry
Quote from: HarryJ on July 20, 2013, 09:45:16 AM
Hi Dane,
sorry about the delay in replying I was very busy yesterday and didn't log on until late.
I would be extremely inerested in your thought process as you developed this strategy. I have never been a flat bet player but this might convert me.
Good punting.... Harry
Hi Harry,
Thought process? I don´t really know. I drink[smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley] And a long term meditator I ought to be familar with subtle thought levels.
But as you might have guessed, I also play with an Electronic calculator. And several years ago I read several German books on roulette. They were on "Favoriten"
(repeaters) and "Restanten" (unhit parts). One author (Ludwig von Graph I think he was called) suggested that we should try to find a kind of balance between those tendencies on the lines. But of course it is easer said than done.
I have almost always been a flat bet player[smiley]aes/nerd.png[/smiley]. But today I initiated a topic on straight up - with a kind of positive progression!
Cheers
Dane