This will be an explanation of how I would play system9 a little bit differently from the tracker/bot. It is a less volatile way to play.
I will upload the Master Chart here which contains everything you need for tracking and betting.
Master Chart.
1-1=1,12.
1-2=1,2.
1-3=2,3,4.
1-4=3,4,6.
1-5=4,5,8.
1-6=5,6,10.
1-7=6,7,11.
1-8=7,8,9.
1-9=7,8,9.
1-10=5,9,10.
1-11=3,10,11.
1-12=1,11,12.
2-1=1,10,11.
2-2=2,12.
2-3=1,2,3.
2-4=2,4.
2-5=3,5,6.
2-6=4,6,8.
2-7=5,7,9.
2-8=6,7,8.
2-9=5,7,9.
2-10=3,8,10.
2-11=1,9,11.
2-12=10,11,12.
3-1=1,8,10.
3-2=2,10,11.
3-3=3,12,12.
3-4=1,2,4.
3-5=2,4,5.
3-6=3,6.
3-7=4,7.
3-8=5,8.
3-9=3,6,9.
3-10=1,7,10.
3-11=8,11.
3-12=9,12.
4-1=1,6,9.
4-2=2,8,10.
4-3=3,10,11.
4-4=4,12.
4-5=1,2,5.
4-6=2,4,6.
4-7=3,5,7.
4-8=3,4,8.
4-9=1,5,9.
4-10=6,10,11.
4-11=7,9,11.
4-12=7,8,12.
5-1=1,4,8.
5-2=2,6,9.
5-3=3,8,10.
5-4=4,10,11.
5-5=5,12.
5-6=1,2,6.
5-7=2,3,7.
5-8=1,3,8.
5-9=4,9,11.
5-10=5,9,10.
5-11=6,7,11.
5-12=5,7,12.
6-1=1,2,7.
6-2=2,4,8.
6-3=3,6,9.
6-4=4,8,10.
6-5=5,10,11.
6-6=6,12.
6-7=1,7.
6-8=2,8,11.
6-9=3,9.
6-10=4,7,10.
6-11=5,11.
6-12=3,6,12.
7-1=1,6.
7-2=2,3,7.
7-3=3,5,8.
7-4=4,7,9.
7-5=5,9,10.
7-6=6,11.
7-7=7,12.
7-8=1,8,10.
7-9=2,8,9.
7-10=3,6,10.
7-11=4,11.
7-12=2,5,12.
8-1=1,3,5.
8-2=2,5,6.
8-3=3,7.
8-4=4,8,9.
8-5=5,9,11.
8-6=1,6,10.
8-7=2,7,11.
8-8=8,12.
8-9=1,9,10.
8-10=2,8,10.
8-11=3,6,11.
8-12=4,12.
9-1=1,4,5.
9-2=2,5,7.
9-3=3,6,9.
9-4=4,7,11.
9-5=1,5,8.
9-6=3,6,9.
9-7=4,7,10.
9-8=2,8,11.
9-9=9,12.
9-10=1,10.
9-11=2,8,11.
9-12=3,6,12.
10-1=1,3,7.
10-2=2,4,9.
10-3=3,5,11.
10-4=1,4,6.
10-5=3,5,7.
10-6=5,6,8.
10-7=6,7,9.
10-8=4,8,10.
10-9=2,9,11.
10-10=10,12.
10-11=1,10,11.
10-12=2,8,12.
11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5.
11-5=5,6.
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.
12-1=1,11.
12-2=1,2.
12-3=3.
12-4=4,5.
12-5=5,7.
12-6=6,9.
12-7=7,10.
12-8=8.
12-9=6,9.
12-10=4,10.
12-11=2,11.
12-12=12.
Here is a screenshot of the session I will be running through.
Here are the numbers again that I will be using in this quick session.
20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2
Now running these numbers through the tracker/bot would have finished at -12 with a highest drawdown of -23.
The way I am going to show you would have finished at +22 with a highest drawdown of -7. It is less volatile and can throw up some long winning runs.
I first of all need to write 1 - 11 on the top of the page.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
20=7 (this signals 20 is the first number out and belongs to street 7)
13=5 (5,9,10) (13 is the next number out and is street 5. This is where I use my chart.
Street 7 travelled to street 5. Look for the 7-5 on the chart.)
It should show as follows.....7-5 = 5,9,10. You then write the 5,9,10 next to the 13=5 like I did above.
You also need to cross out the 5,9,10 from the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 that you wrote at the top of the page.
So it should look like this now...
1 2 3 4 * 6 7 8 * ** 11
20=7
13=5 (5,9,10)
The numbers will get crossed out of the 1-11 at the top of the page as they appear.
You can see this happening if you play about with the tracker putting in numbers.
The tracker looks for potential bets straight away. What I am doing here is waiting until there is just one number left in the 1-11 at the top of the page.
The next number out is 4 which belongs to street 2.
The page should now look like this...
1 * 3 4 * * 7 8 * ** 11
20=7
13=5 (5,*,10)
4=2 (2,6,9)
Street 5 travelled to street 2. Look for the 5-2 on the chart. It shows 2,6,9.
Now I already have a previous 9. It needs to be crossed out. You can not have two of the same numbers in the brackets.
Always cross out the one which is furthest back.
You can see where I did this... 13=5 (5,*10)
I also crossed out the 2 and 6 from the 1-11 at the top of the page.
So now I will write out the numbers as they come out up to the point where I have just one number left in the 1-11.
* * * * * * * 8 * ** **
20=7
13=5 (5,*,**)
4=2 (*,*,9)
11=4 (2,*)
9=3 (3,10,11)
20=7 (4,7)
3=1 (1,6) *8*
The 8 is now the only number that has not appeared from the 1-11. This is my missing street.
So now I am ready to look for my first bet. I use the same chart as before.
It is multi-purpose and is used for both tracking and betting.
(now you might be asking at this point what happened to the 12 street?)
That was not included at the top of the page. I only used 1-11.
I always count the 12 as my 2nd missing street.
So 8 and 12 are missing. I always have two missing streets. Never less, never more.
Now the last number out was number 3 which belongs to street 1.
Go to where all the 1's are in the chart. 1-1, 1-2 etc...
This is what it looks like....
1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)
Now remember the my two missing streets are 8 and 12.
So I look through all 1's and will back every street that does NOT have an 8 or 12 in the brackets.
So I will put an * next to all those.
1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2) *
1-3 = (2,3,4) *
1-4 = (3,4,6) *
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10) *
1-7 = (6,7,11) *
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10) *
1-11 = (3,10,11) *
1-12 = (1,11,12)
There are 7 streets in total with NO 8 or 12 in them.
I will bet on these 7 streets.
The next number out was 22.
Unfortunately this belonged to street 8 and was a loss!
Now how here is one of the most important parts to remember!
The missing 8 has appeared. This means they now needs to be a new missing street to go with the 12.
Here is what needs to happen.
20=7
13=5 (5,*,**)
4=2 (*,*,9)
11=4 (2,*)
9=3 (3,10,11)
20=7 (4,7)
3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.
22=8 (7,8,9) ***so what I need to do is this****
I cross out the furthest back 7 and 9 as usual. Now looking like this....
20=7
13=5 (5,*,*)
4=2 (*,*,*)
11=4 (2,*)
9=3 (3,10,11)
20=7 (4,*)
3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.
22=8 (7,8,9)
And I also use the furthest back number (which happens to be the 5) as my new missing street.
So I need to cross that out as well. Now looking like this...
20=7
13=5 (*,*,**)
4=2 (*,*,*)
11=4 (2,*)
9=3 (3,10,11)
20=7 (4,*)
3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.
22=8 (7,8,9) *5* NO. (The no signals the previous sleeping 8 did not continue) (The *5* is the new sleeper)
So Now I need to look for my next bet.
The last number out was 22 belonging to street 8.
So I go to where all the 8's are in the chart this time.
I am not going to back anything with a 5 or 12 in it.
The * marks any bets.
8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7) *
8-4 = (4,8,9) *
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10) *
8-7 = (2,7,11) *
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10) *
8-10 = (2,8,10) *
8-11 = (3,6,11) *
8-12 = (4,12)
There are 7 streets for me to bet with no 8 or 12 in them.
The next number out was 7 which belongs to street 3.
That was a winner.
The screen picture I uploaded above shows all the remaining bets and results.
cheers.
great job bally
have you done a lot of test
you consider this version safer and wining in the long run?
O0
Quote from: roulettefan on January 27, 2013, 11:42:03 PM
great job bally
have you done a lot of test
you consider this version safer and wining in the long run?
O0
Hello roulettefan
I definately prefer playing it this way. It suits my conservative nature.
One thing about playing it this way is that you get some real streaky sessions.
My record for a missing street using this method is 15+
One of the best MM plans that works great with it is the 'pluscoup progression'
That's the one where you stay level on a loss and go up 1 on a win if you are not in profit for that series. It almost doubles the profits compared to flat betting.
One thing that I have noticed is that the missing streets do tend to appear in swarms.
It always pays to be watchful.
cheers
Just ran a quick 100 spins through the tracker and all the upward curves in the pic are when just the 2 streets are missing.
Winning runs of....
WWWWWWWW
WWWWWWW
WWWWWW
You do get times when a few early hits can boost up the profits. However there are other times when it just eats up a few chps every spin and you are down 20-30 units before you know where you are.
Winning runs like the ones above can always dig you out of a hole.
cheers.
Hmmm.
This is quite confusing.
Assigning additional sleeping street after miss forces us to also track chart on last numbers spun... which wasn't necessary before.
I may need to rebuild entire tracker because of that.
I see what are you doing here but would be nice if you provided some more examples of choosing one more missing street.
Is there any correlation between furthest removed/furthest spun street and assigning new missing street?
What would happen if we lose X times in a row? How would you assign them?
What happens if you are in Profit? How do you reset.
Are you using here cycles (games) here?
When does cycle end?
After cycle ends, do we reset tracking from beginning?
I will run through another game throughout the day with some pictures and explain what's going on.
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The numbers that have come out so far!
10=4
5=2 (*,*,**)
7=3 (*,*,3)
4=2 (*,**,**)
1=1 (1,10,11)
13=5 (4,5,8)
5=2 (2,6,9) *7*
So you can see in the picture that the 7 and 12 column are empty.
These are my two missing streets.
Here is the next pic...
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You can see that there are three wins with the missing 7 and 12 before the 7 finally appears.
Now the furthest back is the 3 where I have put an arrow.
The pics are a good illustration because only 1-3 X's can go into a row.
This leaves at least 9 empty boxes after every spin. So you can get an idea of how long one or two of these streets can go missing for.
Here are all the numbers so far.....
10=4
5=2 (*,*,**)
7=3 (*,*,*)
4=2 (*,**,**)
1=1 (1,**,**)
13=5 (*,5,*)
5=2 (2,*,*) *7*
16=6 (*,*,*) *7*
11=4 (4,8,**) *7*
30=10 (*,10,11) *7*
21=7 (6,7,9) *3* (The new missing street is now the 3)
Here is the next pic....
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So you can see there are four wins where the 3 and 12 went missing before the 3 finally appears.
Now the furthest back is the 2 where I have put the arrow!
This was a nice win streak first involving the missing 7 +12 and then the missing 3 + 12.
It had a W/L registry of WWW L WWWW L.
**To answer some of ophis's questions**
This way of tracking gives me an insight into what's happening. There are no hard and fast rules and that's why I said I never used the bot and only used the tracker. I like to work my way through things and get a feel for what's happening and go with the flow. That's what works best for me. I can only tell you the way I go about it. Every session is different and I adapt accordingly.
Let's say the missing street keeps appearing (excluding the 12) That is only a 2 or 3 chip bet and I play it if that's what is happening most of the time. It does not pay to keep betting on something that's not happening.
The numbers that have come out so far!
10=4
5=2 (*,*,**)
7=3 (*,*,*)
4=2 (*,**,**)
1=1 (*,**,**)
13=5 (*,*,*)
5=2 (*,*,*) *7*
16=6 (*,*,*) *7*
11=4 (*,*,**) *7*
30=10 (*,**,**) *7*
21=7 (6,*,*) *3*
33=11 (4,11) *3*
19=7 (*,8) *3*
13=5 (*,*,**) *3*
28=10 (5,9,10) *3*
2=1 (1,3,7) *2* (The new missing street is now the 2)
So you can see how waiting for just one missing street and then adding the 12 in as the second missing street can throw up some nice winning runs.
These runs will come. You could play after a bad batch of spins hoping for some kind of correction scenario if you liked. Just wait for the positive indicators that things are changing and then test the waters with a bet.
One thing I need to add regarding leaving out the 12 street.
You never mark it when charting.
So for example......
Let's say street 11 travels to street 11 again.
The Master Chart has the following....
11-11 = 11,12.
You would just mark in the 11.
example....
31=11
32=11 (11)
You will ALWAYS have 10 numbers in total in the bracketed numbers once you have your missing street.
Like this....
10=4
5=2 (*,*,**)
7=3 (*,*,*)
4=2 (*,**,**)
1=1 (*,**,**)
13=5 (*,*,*)
5=2 (*,*,*) *7*
16=6 (*,*,*) *7*
11=4 (*,*,**) *7*
30=10 (*,**,**) *7*
21=7 (6,*,*) *3*
33=11 (4,11) *3*
19=7 (*,8) *3*
13=5 (*,*,**) *3*
28=10 (5,9,10) *3*
2=1 (1,3,7) *2*
Count all the numbers in the brackets. There are 10. You have 2 missing. One is your missing street and the other one is the 12 street.
More info regarding the 12 street....
The only way the 12 can appear is if you get a repeat street or the actual 12 street itself (34,35,36) appears.
This would only be a two chip bet if you saw that it was coming out like wildfire in one shape or another and wanted to bet for it.
More info regarding the missing street....
Let's say street 5 (13,14,15) was your missing street and number 32 has just appeared.
Let's also assume the missing street has come in on the last two spins and it is clumping and you want to just continue betting for the missing street to keep appearing (which can obviously happen from time to time)
All you would do is just look for any 5 in the 11 block on the Master Chart.
Let's have a look!
11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5. *
11-5=5,6. *
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.
I have put an * next to where the 5's are.
You can see that there are only two of them here.
So you can bet for the missing 12 or the missing street (or both combined) if you see either or both of them clumping together.
cheers.
This pic shows a typical example of how the streets as I would use them can go out of action for a while.
The 7 went AWOL for 19 consecutive spins.
This is just variance at work.
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can you show me first 40spins from this file?
with LW
ooo, I like the sound of this
great job Bally, very nice :thumbsup:
you think it can work just by flatbetting?
and if Ophis is gonna code it... :cheer: :cheer:
The one criticism I do have about system9 is that using the streets as a betting vehicle does not allow me to be as creative as I would like and I also don't like covering so many numbers.
This idea is about 18 months old. I have since come up with system18 and system36.
I wanted to develop something which did not take as long to get started and which covered less than 50% of the board.
System 36 is the most dynamic because it bets on single numbers. I have got it down to roughly between 8-12 numbers and still get some amazing winning runs with some additional concepts that I threw in.
It goes to prove that this game is not unbeatable. I now find myself winning most sessions I play. The only downside is that it does take a lot of mental effort. So I just play short sessions looking to hit a few wins and then stop and have a break.
Hello ophis
I will run through them and get back to you!
cheers.
Quote from: Bally6354 on January 28, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
The one criticism I do have about system9 is that using the streets as a betting vehicle does not allow me to be as creative as I would like and I also don't like covering so many numbers.
This idea is about 18 months old. I have since come up with system18 and system36.
I wanted to develop something which did not take as long to get started and which covered less than 50% of the board.
System 36 is the most dynamic because it bets on single numbers. I have got it down to roughly between 8-12 numbers and still get some amazing winning runs with some additional concepts that I threw in.
It goes to prove that this game is not unbeatable. I now find myself winning most sessions I play. The only downside is that it does take a lot of mental effort. So I just play short sessions looking to hit a few wins and then stop and have a break.
well, you can't have it all :D
are you going to share system36 with us? or if you already did and I missed it can you post a link?thanks
* * * * * * * * * ** **
08=03
07=03 (*)
17=06 (*,*)
27=09 (*,*)
11=04 (*,*,**)
02=01 (*,*,*)
19=07 (*,*,**)
27=09 (*,*,*)
31=11 (*,*,**)
20=07 (*,*)
06=02 (*,*,*)
30=10 (*,*,**) *5* bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5.
23=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (-2)
00= * repeat same bet. 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. +5. (+3)
12=04 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+8)
02=01 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 2,3,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5. (+13)
20=07 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,6,8,9,10,11 = 8. +4. (+17)
28=10 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. -7. (+10)
36=12 (*,*) *5* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 5 is still the missing street) The bet was actually a loss. no bet next. never bet from the 12 street.
I don't like betting from the 12 street because it often involves betting 9 or more streets.
I don't really see the point in that. The risk seems to outweigh the reward.
33=11 (*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 = 8. +4. (+14)
27=09 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+19)
22=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (+12)
15=05 (*,*,**) *1* LOST. bet 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 8. -8. (+4)
15=05 (*) *1* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 1 is still the missing street)
This is a situation where I have just lost 2 in a row and I can either bet for the losing run to continue or wait for a paper win before I start betting again.
Betting for the losing run to continue means I would bet for the missing 1 street or the 12 street to appear on the next spin.
That is only a 3 chip bet and I would only bet streets 1,2,12.
01=01 (*,*,*) *7* LOST.
The missing 1 street did appear and that takes the losing run to three even though I would have won the last bet looking for the loss.
New total = +13.
So I would look for the losing run to continue and now I would bet for the missing 7 or 12 street to appear.
That is only a 4 chip bet and I would only bet streets 2,4,7,12.
36=12 (*,**) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
One of either the missing 7 street or the 12 street did appear and that now takes the losing run to 4.
You can see what I mean by the losing runs clumping together as well sometimes.
New total = +21.
Now remember I don't bet from the 12 street and so there is no bet on the next spin.
22=08 (*) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
Now I have had 4 losses in a row and there was no bet on the last spin because I don't bet from the 12.
However the last bet was a 'technical winner'
These are the grey areas. You could wait to see if things get back on track with another win.
Or you could dive back in looking for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
OK, let's bet for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,6,9,10,11 = 8.
21=07 (*,*,**) *3* LOST. New total +13.
So the losses are 5 from the last 6 even though we bet for a few of those losses.
This is one of those times when you might like to wait for at least the wins to approach 50% over the last few spins.
That's just to confirm that things may be getting back on track.
So I am not going to bet and just see what happens.
It may be the losses continue and I bet for more losses.
14=05 (*,*,**) *3* WON.
OK, so two wins from the last three for the missing street and the 12 street. Back looking for that.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue.
Bet 1,2,4,6,9,10,11 = 7.
03=01 (*,*,*) *3* WON. +5. New total +18.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,5,6,7,8,9,10 = 7.
03=01 (*) *3* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 3 is still the missing street) That was a loss. -7. New total +11.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,5,6,7,8,9,10 = 7.
22=08 (*,*,9) *3* WON. +5. New total +16.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,4,5,6,7,9,10 = 7.
17=06 (*,*,**) *3* WON. +5. New total +21.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11 = 8.
16=06 (6) *3* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 3 is still the missing street) That was a loss. -8. New total +13.
Bet for the missing 3 street and 12 to continue missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11 = 8.
30=10 (*,*,**) *3* WON. +4. New total +17.
Bet for the missing 3 street and 12 to continue missing.
Bet 2,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 7.
02=01 (*,*,*) *2* LOSS. -7. New total +10.
So I have 3 losses out of the last 5 and the wins are dropping below 50% again.
This is where you need to use your judgement.
You don't have to bet every spin.
The 3 was missing for a long while but it kept getting hit by the 12 (ie.. repeat streets in this instance)
So no bet on the next spin. I only like to bet for the losses to continue if there are a few losses on the bounce.
07=03 (2,*,*) *11* LOSS. So another loss but no harm to the balance.
Now the actual missing street has come up twice.
So I will look for the missing 11 to come up here.
Bet 2,11 = 2.
29=10 (1,*,**) *11* WON. So that was a loss for me. -2. New total +8.
So back to looking for the missing 11 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,6,7,8 = 7.
13=05 (3,5,7) *11* WON. +5. New balance +13.
Bet for the missing 11 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,10 = 7.
11=04 (4,10,11) *8* LOSS. That was a loss. -7. New total +6.
Well that is a pretty detailed and concise explanation of how I would play it.
It came out in front flat betting and it was not a pretty session.
system9 can be a grind, but hey, that's roulette.
cheers.
Quote from: soggett on January 28, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
well, you can't have it all :D
are you going to share system36 with us? or if you already did and I missed it can you post a link?thanks
I will share it soggett!
Give it a year or two. The novelty will soon wear. I am an Aries! :))
Another quick example....
I downloaded 100 spins from random.org.
Here they are...
34 16 21 2 33 12 34 26 35 17 31 1 26 3 15 5 14 29 20 5 35 24 6 31 12 22 25 21 16 6 2 7 30 9 26 33 17 16 28 20 26 14 17 4 11 35 30 24 32 17 27 5 2 10 29 8 23 12 31 9 35 36 26 35 23 11 31 30 5 20 8 27 27 1 6 10 10 26 28 30 18 32 5 17 15 4 24 13 5 14 27 7 17 11 20 14 4 11 16 9
Timestamp: 2013-01-28 21:03:38 UTC
I put them through the tracker/bot
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Things were not going very well until a 13 spin win streak on the missing 1 + 12 street brought it into profit.
I have also played 4 games of system9 over the weekend just to get the feel for it again.
Just using 5 cent pieces at betvoyager.
session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
Total +96 units.
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So you can see it can be a bit slow at times. system9 was the next step up from my 'streets of gold' strategy. Now that was a grind. :nod:
does this completely replaces OLD System9? can i remove old version from the bot?
Hello ophis
Yes mate. I think that is OK for an adrenaline ride but not a sensible way to play if you are looking for consistency in winning sessions.
cheers.
I wouldn't have been able to sleep if I didn't reach 100 units. :)
session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
session 5. +22.
Total +118 units.
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It will add up, many small becomes more.
Quote from: Bally6354 on January 28, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
* * * * * * * * * ** **
08=03
07=03 (*)
17=06 (*,*)
27=09 (*,*)
11=04 (*,*,**)
02=01 (*,*,*)
19=07 (*,*,**)
27=09 (*,*,*)
31=11 (*,*,**)
20=07 (*,*)
06=02 (*,*,*)
30=10 (*,*,**) *5* bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5.
23=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (-2)
00= * repeat same bet. 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. +5. (+3)
12=04 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+8)
02=01 (*,*,*) *5* WON. bet 2,3,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. +5. (+13)
20=07 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,6,8,9,10,11 = 8. +4. (+17)
28=10 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,4,7,8,9,11 = 7. -7. (+10)
36=12 (*,*) *5* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 5 is still the missing street) The bet was actually a loss. no bet next. never bet from the 12 street.
I don't like betting from the 12 street because it often involves betting 9 or more streets.
I don't really see the point in that. The risk seems to outweigh the reward.
33=11 (*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 = 8. +4. (+14)
27=09 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+19)
22=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (+12)
15=05 (*,*,**) *1* LOST. bet 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 8. -8. (+4) shoudnt you bet here 2 3 7 9 10 11?
15=05 (*) *1* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 1 is still the missing street)
This is a situation where I have just lost 2 in a row and I can either bet for the losing run to continue or wait for a paper win before I start betting again.
Betting for the losing run to continue means I would bet for the missing 1 street or the 12 street to appear on the next spin.
That is only a 3 chip bet and I would only bet streets 1,2,12.
i understand that after 2xL you are reversing bet and you go for 1 and 12.... but where from did you took 2?
its not most sleeping, its not recent... even if you suppose to bet all that shoudnt be bet we would end up with 1 5 6 8 12....
01=01 (*,*,*) *7* LOST.
The missing 1 street did appear and that takes the losing run to three even though I would have won the last bet looking for the loss.
New total = +13.
So I would look for the losing run to continue and now I would bet for the missing 7 or 12 street to appear.
That is only a 4 chip bet and I would only bet streets 2,4,7,12. same here... where from did you took 2 and 4?
36=12 (*,**) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
One of either the missing 7 street or the 12 street did appear and that now takes the losing run to 4.
You can see what I mean by the losing runs clumping together as well sometimes.
New total = +21.
Now remember I don't bet from the 12 street and so there is no bet on the next spin. can street12 be part of DoubleLoss trigger to reverse bet?
22=08 (*) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
Now I have had 4 losses in a row and there was no bet on the last spin because I don't bet from the 12.
However the last bet was a 'technical winner'
These are the grey areas. You could wait to see if things get back on track with another win. would you agree to reverse bet back to original betting mode after 2Actual Losses?
Hello ophis
I checked through it again and I did make a few mistakes.
To answer your questions....
''i understand that after 2xL you are reversing bet and you go for 1 and 12.... but where from did you took 2? '' --ophis.
The last street out was the 5 and my missing two streets are the 1 and 12.
So I go to the 5 block on the chart because that was the last street out and look for anything that has a 1 or a 12 in it.
There are four streets that have a 1 or a 12 in it.
These are the 1, 5, 10, and 12.
So I would bet these four streets.
(my mistake was looking up and seeing the 1 and thinking that was the last street out. I would have then backed the 1, 2 and 12 if that was the case.)
It was still a winner. I just need to take a chip of the end result.
''same here... where from did you took 2 and 4?'' -- ophis.
The last street out was the 1 and my missing 2 streets are the 7 and 12.
So I go to the 1 block on the chart because that was the last street out and look for anything that has a 7 or 12 in it.
There are five streets that have a 7 or 12 in it.
These are the 1, 7, 8, 9 and 12.
So I would bet these 5 streets.
(I made the same mistake by looking up and seeing the 7 and thinking that was the block I was working from. I am not used to doing everything in this new word doc that I am using. I should have used my charts. Sorry)
''can street12 be part of DoubleLoss trigger to reverse bet?'' -- ophis.
Yes, if I am understanding you correctly. That's what I have shown above.
Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
It can only ever be a 1 or 2 chip bet.
It will be 1 chip if the 12 keeps repeating or 2 chips if you keep getting a repeat street other than the 12.
''would you agree to reverse bet back to original betting mode after 2Actual Losses?'' -- ophis.
After two losses playing for the missing two streets, I play for the reverse bet.
If the reverse bet does not come straight away. I jump back on the original bet.
'shoudnt you bet here 2 3 7 9 10 11?' -- ophis.
The 1 and 12 street are missing from the 5.
So I go to the 5 block and look for anything without a 1 or 12 in it.
So these would be 2,3,4,7,9,10,11.
All that scrolling back and forth and the numbers too close together is my excuse. Or maybe I need to go to specsavers. :))
Well I think that answers all your questions ophis.
cheers.
if 2L (LL) is a trigger to reverse then would
L noBet L
or
L noBet noBet L
be also a trigger?
Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
in that case we would reverse here:
L noBet noBet REVERSE
Alternatively, if you get a run of 12's. Bet for them after they appear twice.
in that case we would reverse here:
L noBet noBet REVERSE
Yes, that's ok to do that.
I understand vague answers are no good to you if you are designing a tracker. So rules need to be made.
My experience tells me to reverse the bet after two losses playing for the missing two streets. Then I will normally go straight back to the original if I have a loss betting the reverse.
cheers. :thumbsup:
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session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
session 5. +22.
session 6. +21.
Total = +139 units.
...
36=12 (*,*) *5* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 5 is still the missing street) The bet was actually a loss. no bet next. never bet from the 12 street.
LOSS (units) / WON (because street didint wake up)
I don't like betting from the 12 street because it often involves betting 9 or more streets.
I don't really see the point in that. The risk seems to outweigh the reward.
33=11 (*,**) *5* WON. bet 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 = 8. +4. (+14)
PROFIT / WON
27=09 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,8,10,11 = 7. +5. (+19)
PROFIT / WON
22=08 (*,*,**) *5* WON. bet 3,4,6,7,9,10,11 = 7. -7. (+12)
PROFIT / WON
15=05 (*,*,**) *1* LOST. bet 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11 = 8. -8. (+4)
LOSS / LOST
15=05 (*) *1* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 1 is still the missing street)
LOSS / WON
2x realLOSS = reverse bet
This is a situation where I have just lost 2 in a row and I can either bet for the losing run to continue or wait for a paper win before I start betting again.
Betting for the losing run to continue means I would bet for the missing 1 street or the 12 street to appear on the next spin.
That is only a 3 chip bet and I would only bet streets 1,2,12.
01=01 (*,*,*) *7* LOST.
PROFIT / LOST - reversed bet
The missing 1 street did appear and that takes the losing run to three even though I would have won the last bet looking for the loss.
New total = +13.
So I would look for the losing run to continue and now I would bet for the missing 7 or 12 street to appear.
That is only a 4 chip bet and I would only bet streets 2,4,7,12.
36=12 (*,**) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
PROFIT / LOST - reversed bet
One of either the missing 7 street or the 12 street did appear and that now takes the losing run to 4.
You can see what I mean by the losing runs clumping together as well sometimes.
New total = +21.
Now remember I don't bet from the 12 street and so there is no bet on the next spin.
22=08 (*) *7* WON. (The 'WON' just indicates that the 7 is still the missing street)
nobet / WON
Now I have had 4 losses in a row and there was no bet on the last spin because I don't bet from the 12.
However the last bet was a 'technical winner'
ummmm where exacly are those 4 losses in a row??
These are the grey areas. You could wait to see if things get back on track with another win.
Or you could dive back in looking for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
OK, let's bet for the 7 and 12 to stay missing.
Bet 1,2,4,5,6,9,10,11 = 8.
21=07 (*,*,**) *3* LOST. New total +13
LOSS / LOST - reversed bet
So the losses are 5 from the last 6 even though we bet for a few of those losses.
hmmm are you sure?
This is one of those times when you might like to wait for at least the wins to approach 50% over the last few spins.
That's just to confirm that things may be getting back on track.
So I am not going to bet and just see what happens.#
so after LOSS (real or which one-no idea) you pause and wait either for 2PROFIT or 2WON in the last 3 spins
It may be the losses continue and I bet for more losses.
14=05 (*,*,**) *3* WON.
nobet / WON
ok so it was for WON
OK, so two wins from the last three for the missing street and the 12 street. Back looking for that.
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue.
ok so you had WON so you continue bet REVERSED
Bet 1,2,4,6,9,10,11 = 7.
03=01 (*,*,*) *3* WON. +5. New total +18.
PROFIT / WON - reversed bet
Bet for the missing 3 street and the 12 to continue missing.
...
I really think im missing some big picture here.
is realPROFIT a loss for you when we bet reversed?
should i really keep 3 different LW statistics? realLW/virtualLW/onemoreLW?
seeing from replays it looks like im the only one who is into it... so won't ask if anyone understand it.
Quote from: Ophis on January 29, 2013, 02:39:51 PM
seeing from replays it looks like im the only one who is into it... so won't ask if anyone understand it.
I am interested in this too, just don't get it all :(
that's why I hope you code it ;D
Quote from: soggett on January 29, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
I am interested in this too, just don't get it all :(
that's why I hope you code it ;D
When I get an afternoon this week, I will write up a few pages and go through it step by step. :thumbsup:
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session 1. +16.
session 2. +39.
session 3. +28.
session 4. +13.
session 5. +22.
session 6. +21.
session 7. +2. (A toughie!)
session 8. +40.
Total = +181 units.
Quote from: Bally6354 on January 29, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
When I get an afternoon this week, I will write up a few pages and go through it step by step. :thumbsup:
A great thanks from me! Looking forward to it.
Coming back to system9 has taught me a few things.
The coverage is between 7-8 streets = 21-24 numbers.
System 18 covers an average of about 14 numbers.
So I compared the average win per session between the games I have played the last few days using system9 and the sessions I played with system18 in my 'new year challenge' thread.
system9 averages mid twenties.
system18 averages mid forties.
You would think covering more numbers with system9 would be the safer bet!
However it strikes me that the extra coverage just results in more lost chips and that's why the average win per session is only half.
This is good to know and it serves as a solitary lesson for anyone thinking more numbers may be better when designing a strategy.
@bally
i have tried to go to
the original site of system 9 is shutted down!!
can you explain your way of playing
when you have time
2 questions Bally
what the biggest drawdown?
what bankroll is needed ?
best from France
fan
You know there is a bot?
Sam
OK, I have looked back at what I have written in this thread and I think it's pretty clear.
I can't really explain it much better than what I already have. I have added the chart and a detailed explanation step by step for 20 spins.
The basic premise is to wait until there is a sleeper street and you add the 12 street to leave 2 missing streets. I think that part is clear if you go through the example a few times.
Then you use the chart to work out the bets which I have also explained using the 20 spins.
If someone is genuinely interested and wants to attempt some spins, I will answer back and correct anything you get wrong. You can PM them to me because I am locking this thread.
cheers.