Good article on Positive Betting Systems

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wannawin

What is your opinion about the One Half Up betting system?

One Half Up

This is a very popular positive progression system. You do not increase your bet until you win two bets in a row, then you keep increasing your bet by one half of your original bet. Here is an example.

You make a $10 bet and win. You are now even so you don't progress yet. You make another $10 bet and win. You are now ahead $10. Your next bet is $15. You are progressing but you still have a profit of $5. If you win the $15 bet your next bet is $20. If you lose you go back to $10. You still have a profit of $15.

The article: http://casinogambling.about.com/od/moneymanagement/a/positive.htm
say things directly to show respect for other people's time. Walter.

Albalaha

Good only for casual and once in a while trial of luck. It doesn't earn in long term. I have simulated it for a very long data. It loses.
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Sputnik


What is the long term or the long run .... i don't think so many players/gamblers will face the long term/run ...

Albalaha

Long term doesn't only mean betting thousands spins in a stretch. It may  mean many sessions taken together and we may analyse any method, in long term, that way too.
          Hit and Run and martingale kind of proven failures are the effects of thinking of short term in wrong sense.
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Sputnik

 
Placed bets is the only thing that counts, that's it.
Progressions and flat betting is the same thing, but i assume you know that.

Albalaha

Quote from: Sputnik on June 26, 2013, 02:34:46 PM

Placed bets is the only thing that counts, that's it.

Progressions and flat betting is the same thing, but i assume you know that.
When I hear anything like this, I have to ask to myself as to why do I write here.
Nothing can change you guys. You are happy with losses, you are happy with fallacies and you are happy in darkness.
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Sputnik

QuoteWhen I hear anything
like this, I have to ask to myself as to why do I write here.

Nothing
can change you guys. You are happy with losses, you are happy with fallacies and
you are happy in darkness.

I agree, that is funny.
I just was thinking the same thing today, about you.
Funny that you have a own site about fallacies, so i assume you are happy being in the darkness.

Cheers

NathanDetroit

Quote from: Albalaha on June 26, 2013, 05:51:19 PM
     When I hear anything like this, I have to ask to myself as to why do I write here.
Nothing can change you guys. You are happy with losses, you are happy with fallacies and you are happy in darkness.

You are  NOT alone  . John Patrick always repeats in his  gambling books: Will you guys listen? 


Nobody will listen. Give  it up. Raise the WHITE FLAG.


ND



NathanDetroit

I  subscribe to Patrick`s  2-1-2 or  $ 20-$10-$20 method then ease over into the  Up and pull method.

If a  system is  so good  and  promising start off at the  right foot and  take  a profit at the beginning and then n regress after a win.

Use  at your own risk .

ND.


P.S. Sputnik knows very well what I am talking about.


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Quote from: Albalaha on June 26, 2013, 12:02:20 PM
Good only for casual and once in a while trial of luck. It doesn't earn in long term. I have simulated it for a very long data. It loses.

Based on what bet selection?  Every bet sizing would be subject to bet selection first whether simulated or real plays.
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KungFuBac

The link is a good read on several topics.

re:Post by wannawin and One Half Up

"... - June 24, 2013, 12:47:17 PM
What is your opinion about the One Half Up betting system?

One Half Up

This is a very popular positive progression system. You do not increase your bet until you win two bets in a row, then you keep increasing your bet by one half of your original bet. Here is an example.

You make a $10 bet and win. You are now even so you don't progress yet. You make another $10 bet and win. You are now ahead $10. Your next bet is $15. You are progressing but you still have a profit of $5. If you win the $15 bet your next bet is $20. If you lose you go back to $10. You still have a profit of $15.  ..."


     First I will note that many pos progression regimes posted and discussed on forums almost always indicate(or assume) the wager is placed for consecutive wins streak on one side(meaning PPPPPP  OR BBBBBBB or PBPBPBPB, ...etc.

Im an advocate for pos progressions, however, not necessarily the same event reoccurring in a row. I find for me personally I can put together a longer win streak by grabbing 1-3 wins in a row several times vs all consecutively in a row. I will even carry that pressed-up wager over into another shoe or session. Its my opinion there are only so many "best" spots per shoe for only a few select events.

re: wannawins one half up
     I would be inclined to do a fractional addendum press% as a function of the original bet size not the most recent bet size as wannawins' example. In his example I would be more inclined to make the increase a f(x) of the $10 base unit( e.g.,($10 +5 +3,  ,, etc). Obviously it is easier with a larger starting-size wager (Plus I find it easier to do with a metric that uses a base bet easily divided by sixths (e.g., $60 or one could use $30, though most of my casinos are $50 min). The sixths provides options just in case we can put together a longer streak. Its difficult to put together a longer streak than six so I wouldn't be too overly concerned on what to do after the sixth press.
For example ($60,90,110,...etc) or (1+1/2+1/3 ,...etc) with my main point being to make each successive press a less-than-or-equal press % than the previous press %.

Ultimately what we are saying when choosing to do a pos progression is : "I want to replace a higher % of my lossess at my base unit near 1.0 units with fewer wins at a higher level. Thus I don't need to win as many wagers as I lose , though I will need to put together a streak of wins".
As most of you wil agree this streak-of-wins is undetermined because we don't know how many 1.0 U losses we will accrue PRIOR to getting that streak of wins. If one can put together a streak of 3 and possibly 4 based on their preferred base unit size -to- buyin, they are well on their way to winning more than they lose. If not then a pospro is risky for that individual.

For example: wannawins' question:
"You make a $10 bet and win. You are now even so you don't progress yet. You make another $10 bet and win. You are now ahead $10. Your next bet is $15."
     My preference is to press from the first win instead of second win(We don't know any more about how long our hit streak will be after the second win than we do on the first. IMO we must get the compounding started immediately (if one is choosing to live or die by the press), so we can get a compounding % spinoff.

Im in favor of whatever we choose as our press % to make: Pr1% > Pr2% >Pr3%,...etc with only one stutter step where we collect our monies out of the pressed up wager(though still pressing on that stutter step).

Press-to-your-win


More later,
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AsymBacGuy

 I would be inclined to do a fractional addendum press% as a function of the original bet size not the most recent bet size as wannawins' example. In his example I would be more inclined to make the increase a f(x) of the $10 base unit( e.g.,($10 +5 +3,  ,, etc). Obviously it is easier with a larger starting-size wager (Plus I find it easier to do with a metric that uses a base bet easily divided by sixths (e.g., $60 or one could use $30, though most of my casinos are $50 min). The sixths provides options just in case we can put together a longer streak. Its difficult to put together a longer streak than six so I wouldn't be too overly concerned on what to do after the sixth press.
For example ($60,90,110,...etc) or (1+1/2+1/3 ,...etc) with my main point being to make each successive press a less-than-or-equal press % than the previous press %.


Excellent point, KFB!!

The mere W or L consecutiveness is just one aspect of the problem and it's not going to work itlr.

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