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[Mathemagician]

After quite a successful run on RNG I lost 3 times in a row! I won't bother posting my losing videos I'm sure you all know what losing is like!

I do wonder about RNG sometimes is the outcome affected by my bets and/or recent history ?
I wish I knew!
I may be getting paranoid. But,just because they really are out to get me doesn't mean I'm not.

So I've gone back to Live still French but seemingly more reliable if slower.
Instead of playing for 80 spins I only play for 40 but I still win!

In the demo below I enter the supplied history into RKG this amounts to 22 spins.
After this enter numbers live as they happen I'm really hoping for a dozen neighbours bet or 3 finals.
After 39 spins I get the hidden dozen and win.
The whole process start to finish took 16 minutes or so I've edited out the boring bits so you only watch 6!!

https://youtu.be/AE3NIl1icTQ

[XXVV]

Thanks for being so candid Peter.

My personal view ( and that of much recent research published and able to be accessed via this Forum and professional casino research journals in advantage play) is that RNG is designed to defeat the player, in fact is specifically commissioned by the casino operators to do so.  I was keen to see if indeed your method can be applied to the relatively fast Bet 365 and Dublin feeds live, and for what duration of session to enable a modest return. You have demonstrated both in a short illustration.

It would be really helpful if you could simply record say a schedule ( ie no video necessary) of your most recent 10 sessions in this latest format. What would be ultimately most enlightening is the series of outcomes over a 30 session spread, so as to enable a net gain and strings of 3 or more winning sessions that might then enable unit values to be stepped. However this will work only if losses are controlled and true net gains are enabled. It is essential to be clear of casino cheating so that the variables are known and controlled. No easy matter to then prove you have a (relatively) consistent winning methodology but RKG is very clever when limits are placed ( stop losses) and suitable short stepped progressions may be applied to bets such as sixain, and wheel neighbours.

The quality of the bets must always be carefully evaluated and of course remaining 12 targets can be erratic at times requiring stops/ starts/ pauses.

The control of variance is at the root of the problem of consistency, and only after prolonged testing can better bets be found in suitable small windows of opportunity. More to the point, not only better bets, but evaluation of context so as to enable suitable conditions and cycles of suitable characteristics, such as noting of clustering and repeat numbers. Such behaviour often comes in short cycles and I encourage you to look into this. Yes I am a firm advocate of 'connections between spins', as well as the well known 'independence' of spins. It seems a paradox but both statements are true, yet at different levels.

The French Roulette rules are best if possible but they are not available for Dublin.  Bet 365 has now cut available time to bet in order to make between bet analysis more difficult. Thus a bet that looks ahead would be helpful - this is not a glib remark but instead a bet that is triggered by a promising 'tendency towards a certain outcome or set of outcomes' and which can be turned off if failing or amplified if working successfully over say 2-3 spins.

In my view a modest gain of +5% on a RB is sufficient gain. ie +25 on a 500 unit bank. If the variance is controlled and demonstrated then unit values can be high value although small in number ( up to +25). Question is, can RKG demonstrate this over a suitable statistically significant sample size? If so then you deserve to attract much success.

[sifi202]

Hi Peter, sorry to read of your 3 RNG losses!

This scares me a little as I am on the cusp of starting RKG with 'real' money at WH in the next few days and all my practice trials on RNGs have been quite promising so far!

Guess if you can pre-load RKG with the last 20 or so results from the Live history of spins it doesn't make for such a massive wait time.

I left a message in your previous posting so await your reply to that. In the meantime can you elaborate a little more on your RNG experience with RKG and WH so far. Were the last 3 losses like wipe out bankroll time? or a losing session each time like 10% down for example? Because I expect losses especially if you've had a nice long winning run.

You mentioned before that around the 500 Gbp mark WH gets a little tricky to overcome so this may be a trigger point that the WH s/w detects? What are the experiences of your clients with WH RNG?

Is Betvoyager still profitable for you?

I'm going to sit back now and relax and watch your last video offering now - don't think I've seen a 'Live' casino one yet. Rgds.

[Missmusibat]

The French Roulette rules are best if possible but they are not available for Dublin.  Bet 365 has now cut available time to bet in order to make between bet analysis more difficult. Thus a bet that looks ahead would be helpful - this is not a glib remark but instead a bet that is triggered by a promising 'tendency towards a certain outcome or set of outcomes' and which can be turned off if failing or amplified if working successfully over say 2-3 spins.

You can opt to skip spins to gain time for your bet analysis. So you could count the numbers from every alternate spins or every 3 spins to buy you bet analysis time. You will find that the results, strike rate will be the same as if you are chosing to consider every spin for your triggers.

[XXVV]

You can opt to skip spins to gain time for your bet analysis. So you could count the numbers from every alternate spins or every 3 spins to buy you bet analysis time. You will find that the results, strike rate will be the same as if you are chosing to consider every spin for your triggers.

choosing

Yes of course this is a practical and pure 'seamless' mathematical approach. However I prefer to work at each spin as my bets often change spin by spin as I play multiple sets of interpretations ( for example finales/ streets/ wheel sections/ columns) and my goal is to enter and exit as swiftly as possible in the particular style of play I am now advocating ( just one of many valid approaches) and by selecting for example local Dublin time 8pm onwards over a window of four hours or more, the spin frequency can be more than halved because of patronage. Just look at the Wiesbaden live data for example comparing Tuesday afternoon to Saturday night play by comparing dealer change times on tisch#3.

I certainly now question the assumption of the 'seamless' nature of spin sequences in comparison to my views 20 years ago, because of live table experience.

[Mathemagician]

Don't be scared of RKG, be scared of everything!
Always expect .......The unexpected!

The losses didn't wipe out my bankroll I think I got a bit greedy I was   over £100 up in one session then suddenly lost £160 or so.
It's annoying to say the least, I should have stopped much sooner. It's easy to say stop while ahead but much harder to do.
The old addage "do as I say not as I do" applies here.

My last video was live I may have another go at BetVoyager later today. Watch this space!

[Missmusibat]

choosing

Yes of course this is a practical and pure 'seamless' mathematical approach. However I prefer to work at each spin as my bets often change spin by spin as I play multiple sets of interpretations ( for example finales/ streets/ wheel sections/ columns) and my goal is to enter and exit as swiftly as possible in the particular style of play I am now advocating ( just one of many valid approaches) and by selecting for example local Dublin time 8pm onwards over a window of four hours or more, the spin frequency can be more than halved because of patronage. Just look at the Wiesbaden live data for example comparing Tuesday afternoon to Saturday night play by comparing dealer change times on tisch#3.

I certainly now question the assumption of the 'seamless' nature of spin sequences in comparison to my views 20 years ago, because of live table experience.

XXVV, I respect your experience. Without calling any names, I have been playing roulette and bacc since am in my twenties. Now am in my seventies. Taking just a leaf out of my experience, in the style of play you are advocating with multiple sets of interpretations if you are taking a four hour window, just try for once imagining that the alternate spins doesn't exist. You would get the same experience as if you have taken into account every spin. I can prove this for any trigger/any sets of interpretations. I respect the privacy of everyone's bet selections and hence request you to try for yourselves and see before believing it.

[XXVV]

XXVV, I respect your experience. Without calling any names, I have been playing roulette and bacc since am in my twenties. Now am in my seventies. Taking just a leaf out of my experience, in the style of play you are advocating with multiple sets of interpretations if you are taking a four hour window, just try for once imagining that the alternate spins doesn't exist. You would get the same experience as if you have taken into account every spin. I can prove this for any trigger/any sets of interpretations. I respect the privacy of everyone's bet selections and hence request you to try for yourselves and see before believing it.

Thanks M., and also for Peter my apologies for this intrusion to your own thread.

Yes you may well be right I believe, but what I am trying to focus upon here is the fastest use of information, and parallel with this the string of meaningful linkages that original spin sequences enable for as you have seen from my earlier post my cluster methodology relies on linking 'independent' spins into short signals of say 3 to 12 spin duration. The mode of 'same' or 'change' can either continue a short cycle or break up into choppy short sequences where change is the norm. This latter phenomenon can be very profitable, but is of course quite alien to those who see every spin as an isolated event.

Yes one of my mentors, BC, a roulette player who traveled the world and played at the Ritz in London, advised me 25 years ago of this every second or third spin selection as a means to avoid being spun out by unsympathetic/ hostile croupiers, long before the advent of internet casinos. It worked for him when under pressure as he often was because he played with aggressive progressions on a huge risk bank and his bank of high value chips at the table was intended to be quite confrontational to the casino hierarchy with whom he was in constant battle (lol). His nightmare was being spun out while still trying to not only configure his latest targets but also arriving at the correct size bet for the form of progression he devised and copyrighted (alphabet).

My style of play over the years has totally reversed and simplified a lot of that and hence this interesting exploration at the moment for very short and fast sessions, sometimes no more than 10-15 minutes, sometimes only one spin, as that win enables the +5% gain. Also I flat stake ( thus have a bet with a proven edge). My goal is to enable bet stepping using the powerful principle of compounding. You can read about this in my own Blog on this Forum.

Thanks I will overlay your suggested approach to some of my past live data and as a fascinating exercise compare the original live feed with an edited approach using a/ every second spin and b/every third spin.

You have reminded me also of the work I did with a colleague on this Forum 5 years back exploring penultimate cycle betting cycles. As with all matters roulette, this phenomenon came into focus, in a cyclic manner, every now and then with great results.

I do not mean to be negative with regard to your suggestion but perhaps at least sceptical regarding maintaining the signal linkage between clusters when edited as you have suggested. We shall see and in a week or so, will report.

Thanks for your comments, contribution, and please also excuse me Peter for this small digression within your own thread. All most interesting.

[sifi202]

Hi Peter,
I to had a bad WH RNG experience today (fortunately I was in practice mode!) and was down nearly a 100 units. Dozens and Finals not coming out for me as they normally do so forced into progressions to recoup losses but never did.
Did you manage to find your excel spreadsheet yet? I could do with running some Rand numbers for my own analysis - I like the idea of instantly generating 64,000+ spins and testing against various wagering scenarios.
I think tomorrow or Friday is the big day when I finally use RKG on real dosh! I shall try to be v. conservative in my wagering as my BR will be fairly small. 10% gain per day would be great. Remembering the 'Rule of 72' I will have doubled my BR in just over 10 days worth of RKG sessions! We'll see and I'll let you know how I get on either way. Any last min advice for me? I watched your last video and it seems a bit of a rush to get the bets on at the WH Live Casino so I think I'll cut my teeth (at least initially) on the WH RNG with low stakes. Have you had much joy with the Paterson System (Chapter VXI in your book)?

[Mathemagician]

Is Betvoyager still profitable for you?

Yes, Bet Voyager is still profitable for me ![smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][/size][/b]

I withdrew a lot from BV yesterday (which is now pending) and continued with the remaining balance.
(I also withdrew from SkyVegas as they sent an email explaing they are going to stop accepting Netteller [smiley]aes/thumb_down.png[/smiley])

After noticing that dozen bets frequently win or break even in the first 3 spins, rather than start a progression  I decided to abandon them after 3 spins and increase the stake on the next alert.
In the 40 spin sequence below I abandon my first dozen bet but win & recover on another 12 number bet and higher stake  later on (3 finals)
On the last spin I get an alert for 1 final I ignore this and stop with a 50 unit profit.

https://youtu.be/X9ZHoVmxYPw

[sifi202]

Nice one. [smiley]aes/money.png[/smiley]

Presumably its only 10% of your winnings per session which is ok on a non-zero table I guess. I will have to check out Betvoyager as you seem to have enjoyed a lot of success from this online RNG casino judging by all the vids of it on Youtube and your website.

Going to try WH RNG now as already have funds in that account and hoping recent bad runs from this outfit have passed!

Don't know if is worth mentioning Peter but for your next RKG update/version it might be quite useful to have a BR counter on it with a stop-loss written into it that the user can set before commencing wagering. I often forget what my starting balance on the casino is and if say you wanted to not dip below 10% (or whatever amount or % you choose) of your starting BR on a particular session you could inform RKG to let  you know before one squanders all the hard earned away. Anyway, just a thought?

[sifi202]

Hi again Peter, just updating you on my first go with real dosh on WH French RNG.
Not good I'm afraid. Tried to be really conservative with bets 10p and 20p and occasional 50p but from the very first wager I was losing tried small progressions throughout to recoup losses but to no avail.
Usual Neighbours, hidden 12's and Finals were just not coming out for me after 9+ spins! This is a totally different experience to when I was trialling RKG in all the practice runs I had with WH RNG. Is it rigged? (the million dollar question) or just a poor run of luck?
Start BR 100, end BR 65.25. after 120 odd spins - no partic system from RKG used just waited for the suggestions to come up. Normally so reliable for me the Neighbours, hidden 12's, etc. were simply not playing. Do you think a rep from WH views this forum and is on to us??
Anyway, I've withdrew some BR and will resume on a revised BR of 50 tomorrow with ridiculously low stakes and target a quick 3-4% increase before I stop. Today I was never at any stage in a positive profit position.
Obviously disappointed as I was hoping to recoup the cost of a years RKG subscription within the first few days of real money play. Any advice for me Peter? Really didn't want to have to use the Live WH as you don't appear to get much time to place your bets especially when it's a 12 chip spread bet across the table.
I might register with Betvoyager - is there anything I should know about Betvoyager apart from the 10% house takings on all winnings? The non-zero table using the Safe System for Beginners (Chap VII in your book) seems a fairly innocuous way to start.
Look forward to your advice as always and await your next video posting.

[Mathemagician]

I used to find the practice tables much easier to win on than when you play for cash.

It's hard to say if tables are rigged or not it's easy to suspect they are after a loss.
The only sure fire way of knowing they are not rigged is to use live tables.
You may struggle to get the bets on in time but you can somesimes save your favourite bets say XVIIa/b/c and place
them with 1 click.

It may be worth you playing for 1p stakes I think Sky Vegas do them for RNG. This way £10 gets you 1000 units, plenty to practice with, and as its real money its still exciting,
but don't accept any bonuses.

I've had no problems with BV other than it takes a couple of days to withdraw winnings, but this is typical within the industry (Gentings being an exception with transfers out being instant)

In BV the recently added  neutral bet button in RKG may be safer than the beginners as there is no risk at all and it enables you to build up a history.
If you find you're getting to many alerts try increasing the triggers by 1 or 2.

Keep an eye on the maximum  numbers (in red) and click save highs occasionally and load highs to see how bad its been in past play.

[sifi202]

As always thanks for the advice Peter.

Got so annoyed after my first attempt miserable attempt with RKG went back on for session 2 of real units but this time on the Live French WH table.

Hard to get all the bets on in time (so will try your saved favourites idea) but managed to claw some funds back. BR 50 start and BR 60 end so exceeded my 5% target comfortably within about 60 odd spin but took some 40 odd mins with very low stakes and highly conservative wagering.

Now running out of my free 14 day trial period so will have to get my skates on!

Looking forward to your next video offering...

[Mathemagician]

Keep it up but always remember if it can go wrong it will go wrong the problem is nobody knows when!

I find it useful , after a session, to click the replay button. The numbers of my last game (from the file his.txt) are shown one at a time as I enter them.
This is useful for trying different settings for the alerts.

I tend to put copies of rkg in separate directories for each casino so I can use different settings wherever I play.