:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Putin............. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: ...........Obama
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I have nothing but disgust for Obama, but what has he done in relation to SOCHI? From what we hear in American, the accommodations for the guests are miserable. I don't think Pooty-Poo has done such a bang-up job.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 07, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
I have nothing but disgust for Obama, but what has he done in relation to SOCHI? From what we hear in American, the accommodations for the guests are miserable. I don't think Pooty-Poo has done such a bang-up job.
--Accommodation????? It is superb.....Pooty-Poo you can see right now on opening.Obama????is not there.
Should send them both down the bobsleigh run, strapped together, on a single bob luge with their feet bent up and tied .
I'd pay good money to see that.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Naked... >:D
Sam,
It has also been ridiculed in some circles of the British media, especially the "facilities", even for the athletes. Simply reinforces the urgent need for an international helipotty service.
Helipotty goes global. I love it!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/
Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 07, 2014, 07:56:57 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/)
-American propaganda.....
http://www.break.com/pictures/sochi-winter-olympics-picture-gallery-wtf-2574118
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/02/07/sochi-olympic-price-tag-soars-critic-slams-road-that-could-have-been-paved-with/
You've got to love communism! LOL!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Sochi is third world culture shot for most people from the US, and Europe.
Quote from: Xander on February 07, 2014, 09:33:32 PM
You've got to love communism! LOL!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I heard them Ruskey Communists banned their people from gambling online......unbelievable ;)
Basically, free will and thought is illegal there. The standard of living there is not considered "living".
Quote from: Xander on February 07, 2014, 10:36:26 PM
Basically, free will and thought is illegal there.
And you have the free will and thought to wish you could gamble online, which is comforting
QuoteAnd you have the free will and thought to wish you could gamble online, which is comforting-Turner
I don't believe that they could gamble online there even if it was legal. For starters I believe that most places don't even have internet. Besides, most people there are busy standing in a line of some kind for food. Sochi looks like a dreadful place to be.
Xander your ideas about Russia are very outdated. I am not saying that they live better than people of the West, still what you describe is not their reality at all. Russia is not North Korea.
for example u can read in Wiki about Russian Internet
"In September 2011, Russia overtook Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) on the European market with the highest number of unique visitors online.[1] In March 2013 it was announced that Russian is now the second most used language on the web.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Russia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/05/15-signs-that-russia-is-not-very-ready-for-the-olympics/
You're probably right. But to us, it's very close to being North Korea or Pre 1985 East Germany. In the US, we view the entire Soviet Union as being the third world. We really can't fathom the living conditions. The immigrants that come here from there reinforce that viewpoint with their stories.
I am not gonna discuss Russian Olympics. Recently every time last Olympics are being criticized. You are not there and i am not there.
But about Russian life reality i know much better than you believe me. What you imagine is not reality. That's what you imagine. And i even don't know where you took this idea from.
don't get me wrong, they do have lots of problems. But this is not North Korea. And this is not totalitarism like in North Korea. And life is very different. Actually in many big cities life is not very different from West. In small cities it could be different picture though. And average Russian lives worse than average Westerner. Still it is far away from what your imagination tells u.
QuoteAnd i even don't know where you took this idea from. -Iggiv
From my wife and her family. They're Swiss, and have visited there. Also, some of my immigrant friends, and my friends that served in Berlin.
There's lots of documentation and pictures from Sochi available on the internet, proving that Sochi wasn't ready. I've posted some of it, above.
Whenever the Olympics are held in the US or Europe, everything is run top notch and first class.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with terrorism over the next few weeks, since they're security is low tech and third world. I see a big mess coming.
-Xander
I don't know what they saw where and when. What you describe is far away from reality.
And read this about the "top notch"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2010_Winter_Olympics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2010_Winter_Olympics)
SO?
Canada isn't the third world. They did a great job with those Olympics.
In Sochi, many people don't even have fresh water or fresh food!
this is simply not true. They do have some problems but not what you are saying. You exaggerate a lot.
Look, i am not an admirer of Putin and of what's going on in Russia generally, but you have to be FAIR instead of telling some horror fairy tales.
and Sochi is not the only place where Olympics had problems. I showed you already. But u don't wanna see.
The horror stories are true. They are being told by the Swiss, Germans, French, British, etc... It's not just the US media.
Show me who tells that "many people there have no fresh food or water"? Do you know that Sochi Olympics have much better food supply than Vancouver had? You don't. And you don't wanna know. This what the athletes ate at Vancouver.
http://www.mcdonalds.ca/ca/en/our_story/corporate_info/press_room/articles/PR_Best_to_Serve.html (http://www.mcdonalds.ca/ca/en/our_story/corporate_info/press_room/articles/PR_Best_to_Serve.html)
You can't compare Vancouver Canada with Sochi. For starters, Canada has fresh water, hot water, heat, power, and food. Many stores are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The hotel accommodations there are top notch. Canada is a safe place to live and visit.
yes it is. I am not saying anything bad about Canada. But the fact is that Mcdonalds served Vancouver Olympics.
And there are no problems with Sochi food and water either. And what athletes have in Olympic village is much better than Mcdonalds.
In Canada, they had access to McDonalds, and a very wide range of different restaurants from which they could freely choose. Many of which were open 24 hours a day. McDonalds was not there only option.
Well, whatever. If you like that Sochi is like jungle of Africa, its your right after all.
Sochi is a very nice city. This is a RESOURT city for God's sake. It's a paradise for tourists. I haven't been there but i've been close to there. And this was long time ago. Now it's much better than it used to be.
Iggiv,
Are you from there?
If you are, then I take back some of what I've said about there. ;) ( I thought you were Canadian?)
i am not exactly from there. But i am from East Europe originally. No, i am not offended. I am just surprised how easily some people create wrong stereotypes.
Quote from: Xander on February 08, 2014, 12:09:32 AM
Iggiv,
Are you from there?
If you are, then I take back some of what I've said about there. ;) ( I thought you were Canadian?)
It bad practice to form an opinion based on others writings and experience. I don't really know you, but that doesn't seem to be your way. You seem to be similar to myself in the fact that you speak with authority on what you have proven for yourself (seen with your own eyes, so to speak), not blind faith.
rule no. 1. don't form an opinion based on anything the media has written. They have to sell papers.
Just thinking out loud really. Hope It didn't come across too badly.
Human mind is easily manipulated. Minor problems at Olympics can create totally wrong picture at what is really goin on there. As i said i am not an admirer of Putin, but City of Sochi itself is something different. Take Croatia or Greece, you will get similar picture. It is a resort place. It can't have a lack of food or water. Actually there is no lack of food or water in Russia at all. Some food can be expensive for some people yes. But there is no lack of it. and long lines in stores are the thing of the past.
The news here in the US, Canada, and the European news is showing that Sochi is not ready for the games, and that the place is like a ghetto.
I don't know what you mean by ghetto. I can't for sure agree or disagree with you about readiness for Olympics.
There are some minor problems, yes. I don't know what they really mean. As i already showed you other Olympics had problems as well.
Well, i told you what it is really like. Resort city. Now you can imagine that it looks wilder than Alaska. I don't mind :)
have a look like at what kind of ghetto it is
http://azur.ru/sochi/photo.php?year=2014 (http://azur.ru/sochi/photo.php?year=2014)
Quote from: Xander on February 08, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
The news here in the US, Canada, and the European news is showing that Sochi is not ready for the games, and that the place is like a ghetto.
don't be so brainwashed by the media.
Our media in the western world isn't the same as it is in the socialist and communist countries. It's pretty good. Especially Fox News.
What do u mean by socialist and communist countries? North Korea and Cuba?
Xander, you remind me of Rip Van Winkel.
and media is created by PEOPLE. Sometimes people see not what is in reality but rather what they wanna see.
I imagine what you could write about some things be you a journalist. People would get totally wrong idea.
you see you operate by ideas of Cold War. The world changed. Quite a bit since then.
Xander,
You don't know what are you talking about.......My wife is from Sochi,married there,have a flat there,and been
there about 6 times since 2000......Sochi is one of the most beautifull citys in the world.....one of rare world cities that have a tropic and continental climate,the living standard is same as anywhere else in the world..
and take my world as have travel all globe so far and seen all the misery of Europian larger cities.
About the Russian gambling....yes few years back government prohibited gambling as it was destroying many
families there,but now they are building 2 new Macaos there....one nearby Vladivostock and the other/which
is almost finished,can google it/near Krasnodar/Sochi area/for rich clients.
As I said you are brainwashed by your medias.....to find the true.....You must travel and see it yourself.
Did you know that most tourists that come in EU summer resorts are Russians....and that they are best
consumers.Does that tell you anything.Wrong picture you have in your head.Go and travel instead of living
in your virtual world of AP roulette.
Quote from: Xander on February 07, 2014, 11:32:22 PM
SO?
Canada isn't the third world. They did a great job with those Olympics.
In Sochi, many people don't even have fresh water or fresh food!
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Your above statement show me how backward thinking you have.--Did you know that Sochi have one of the purest drinking water in the world,and that every house there have most tropic fruits imaginable. That food and meat is 6 times cheaper then in EU,and that average pay is about 800 doll,20000 rub......and that a person can bay 6 times as much then ppl. in EU.As said earlier you are 50 years late.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_N5SEIFW-D8Ujk5W1YErh2ZduAGXuswek4AFSn7lAYBT_WF68gw)(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTRR-kXspvRPfi0Uhty0G7IqaCE1TYCHVvY4P52mImNX6edRxd)(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXNby5qkk7d1cqVZdCiehMmwwYdcHCZ-SYu1KMsuutCsu3GP7l)(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvVN-8Se71zhT9CiZinJbPPHi7w_lcwPcjJDwBsKFIhrWVxYei)
And you can see interior of the sportman rooms and their willage.
(http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00635/Krug_jpg1_635286S1.jpg)
And if you have watched opening of the games....above happened deliberately....the 5th.ring didn't
opened......Why???????it is Putins message to Obama.......as 5th.ring represent USA.
I have an open mind on sochi as I've never been.
The first thing the media journalist looks for is to impress the editor and make his angle stand out.
Nice water and tropical fruit will not impress the editor.
He wants deaths at best and some level of suffering at worse.
"Go and find out if anyone's been poisoned by that water or fruit or I'm not interested"
Scare mongering doom merchants.
You are quite right Turner...they got to earn their wages...the more dramas and lies the better.
Take the London Marathon....
Journalist..... "I've covered the Marathon....I have 2000 words. Got a lovely story of a man who ran bare foot for charity""
Editor .... " did anyone have a heart attack?"
Journalist..." no"
Editor...." broken leg?"
Journalist "Nope"
Editor...." blisters on their feet.....very sore ones?"
Quote from: Xander on February 07, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
Canada is a safe place to live and visit.
Xander, that is what is marketed to the world for immigration & tourism, but IMO it seems that you have NOT experienced the "Real Canada".
In my opinion Canada & the USA are heading toward what the Soviet Union represented. Meaning a police state and "show me your papers".
And I believe there are major differences between the Soviet Union & modern Russia.
I have the utmost respect for Russians after what they have been through. A friend of mine had a neighbor who was a Moscow police officer. After moving to Canada he was alarmed at the high rate of cancer in Canada/USA.
I have never been to Russia or Eastern Europe, but about a year ago I found this video blog about life in Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/user/realrussiablog/videos?view=0
They started in Ufa, but recently moved to Moscow.
Perhaps, someone who lives in Russia or Eastern Europe can confirm this ?
According to this list of freedom indices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indices_of_freedom), Russia doesn't seem to be as free as I thought it was.
Quotenot free mostly unfree difficult situation authoritarian regime
Russia has its big problems. But it is far away from what Xander thinks about it. It is not entirely free, but it is not totalitarian either. There is some sort of authoritarianism there, but not really totalitarism. I mean there is some opposition and many people openly curse the government, but it does not have such a form as in the West, where opposition has more access to media. So it's something in between. And one of the biggest problems there is corruption. I think corruption is a reason for minor problems at hotels and stuff like this.
but all this should not cover the big picture. Overall despite its problems Russia is closer to Western countries than countries like North Korea or Cuba.
The opening ceremony was beautiful! Amazing!