Quote from: CourierPete on June 01, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
Mostly to learn of new techniques, systems, and read analysis on the industry. There's always something to learn, even if most of it doesn't provide a quantifiable edge.

I agree with this statement and I'd like to add that even if a strategy is not a solution in its self, it could "move" your perception, inspire you, give you the motivation, which at the end would make you create your own successful solution.
The source of inspiration and motivation doesn't have to be necessarily another strategy/method/system, but even something as simple as a quote.


On the top of these, also I got in contact with programmers such as Victor, the global administrator, who except his programming skills, he is also a very nice person!
A win-win situation!! 

@ Giz,


It is in the intellect of an educated mind to entertain a subject even if he/she doesn't agree with it.
Your philosophy is sound because when you are unlucky you are losing less and when you are lucky you are winning more, I got it, it's all about the money management after all.


How I consider this is another matter, but if you'd asked me then I'd respond that is good as long as you have nothing better.
As you see everything somehow is relevant, for you 100,000 could be your whole world and for Donald Tramp just a piece of his hair...

Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.

It's like you are saying: "sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you are unlucky..." Do you really believe there is something skillful or intelligent in this?!

Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.

Really??
You must be working us!

Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.

To pay in order to see how one could be lucky?!
I've yet to see skills which are enabling luck when you need it, but I've heard about horse-shoe, rabbit foot and bat's bone as lucky charms, you might even combine them all together for even greater results.
On another forum there was someone who was claiming that he was a teacher of Martingale progression...go figure!



I'm fine with that, why aren't you?


Because I'm not you.

Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?

Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.

What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?


I agree with this point but some people are feeling like teenagers who are so excited, like after their first sexual experience and want to let us all know about their "achievements".
So instead of learning something useful we listen to useless info like: "I went there, ate that, bought this, won this amount...etc"
There are all kind of strokes for all kind of folks...

Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 31, 2018, 12:41:15 AM

I don't worry about single numbers. My big bet for now is $100. My small bet is $5 It's not a mindless progression. I'm just searching for the absence of down streaks. They are easy to see. You must have a guess in the game on each spin just to see if you suck at it. If my goal was to lose as much as possible I would hunt for crashes in my swing charts. BTW, that 2,1,2,3,4,5, progression is John Patrick's not mine.


Your guess must be blind. It must contain no magical thinking. There is no trick to it. It has the mathematical chance to succeed based on the true odds for one spin and that is all. I just enjoy seeing 20 reds in a row, and that is not wishful thinking in any way. It just happens. I jump in and I either get started or I move to recover that loss. It's so simple. I'm not going to get killed by 20 losses in a row at the big price. But I am going to kill the casino at 20 reds in a row at the big price. It never takes a sixth sense.

In other words you are betting for continuation and against alteration of any kind.
Therefore the continuations must dominate the alteration of states, but from my experience I think that alteration is prevalent because at the end nothing is being favored.
Just try to imagine results as a traveler who never stays too much at a specific place, just passes by and from time to time stays for a while, that's variety, that's variance.
If we had dominant continuation, or repetition, of any kind, then it would be clearer what's coming up and more boring to be frank.
But with all those alterations the game keeps the suspense and interest.
I perceive it as a good challenge, easier objectives lose interest quickly and are making you to move on to tougher and greater ones.

Quote from: Mike on May 31, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
BA,

It may be my "opinion" but at least I can back it up with facts and logic, which is not the case for those who say that guessing which RANDOM number is going to appear next has some validity. All you have is mere assertion. As I said, if you were able to demonstrate that these techniques actually work, you would have to use facts and logic, statistics, etc. ie, rational processes!

And if you are trying to avoid the majority of beliefs etc, aren't you as much controlled by them as someone who follows the herd? What is the value of going against the grain just for the sake of it?

By knowing the 99.9% of the total that does never equate with the 100% if you get what I mean...


Who said that I'm guessing, I'm not blindly, neither educatedly guessing, I'm using stats and results to prove my point to myself, not to others because my aim is not to be popular, my benefit doesn't come from others but from what I can do.
So don't tell me that what I've confirmed countless times is merely an illusion, what has happened will happen again...


Last but not least, being different is not a trend which you are embracing it just for the sake of it, or because you want to be accepted by a group of persons, or because you want to go against the tyrannical manipulation of your parents, it has practical benefits which you could never realize by doing otherwise.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 11:44:14 PM

It's not much of a system. In fact it is as old as the hills. Bet big when you are doing good, bet small when you are doing bad. Of course you must figure out that math won't help you much when it comes to good and bad streaks or stretches. The house's advantage won't stop good or bad streaks from occurring. It takes cognition. There is no math formula for cognition. Therefor there is no math formula for unicorns.

So all boils down to: 2,1,2,3,4,5...etc
The progression alone makes you winner?
The cognition or the recognition of patterns??
If I see number 12 is around how can I know that this is not a hunch but clairvoyance?
HUH??

Let's say that we had an infinite bank and table limits and we were betting with doubling ups after every loss on any EC.
After 10,000 bets would the net profit obtained exceed the maximum draw-down we had during those 10,000 bets?
In other words, per coup accounts for 1 unit net profit, but the units at risk would be much greater than the total net profit, am I right?


The point is that if the net profit of a system cannot exceed the maximum units at risk then this is a failure.
On the other hand, if the net profit exceeds the maximum risked amount of units then this is a successful method.
Let me clarify that by saying units at risk is not equivalent with units lost.


Let's take a step further and wonder what is better, the system which is netting 1,000 units with 2,000 BR or the system which is netting 90 units with 200 BR?


I've always tried to emphasize the balance between risk and reward, there are not universal limits for what is good or not, but if we compare the money gained VS money risked then regardless of the size of someone's BR the percentages will reflect exactly this relationship, no matter how big or small a bankroll may be.


Do you agree gentlemen?

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 07:21:35 PM
Blue_Angel, absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure if it's a great way, to go your own way in gambling, unless you happen to be a pioneer of some sort.


I found my own way after I got my first job and moved out. It was rock climbing. They were still using pitons in Yosemite. My first ice axes were made of wood. Everyone I knew labeled me crazy. I learned from then on, in that first year, to do it all for the personal enjoyment of it all. I only climbed with people that were also tired of the bull stuff, why do you do it questions. Then this guy skis off the Grand Tetons back in 1971. That was it for me. I started that too in the next ski season of 71-72. I had to get really good at rock climbing and mountain climbing just so that I could ski off of never before skied mountain faces. I did all that alone. I knew of nobody that was into this. It was until 1984 when I was introduced to the "Peddle Hop" turn. I found my true calling. I turned 70 degree faces into easy ski turns. I know what it means to go your own way.
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Mike, thank goodness that you don't have perils of wisdom for day trading, swing trading, a Roulette table. Your incites are good enough to act as a red herring or even better a straw man. I suspect you keep this level of mentality up so that it somehow gives you comfort, perhaps something even simpler than that. Your point of view is clear.


If I just bet on the reds alone each spin, I would produce a candlestick chart that would prove my point, that upticks happen all along the way down the mathematical expectation required by the mathBoys. The math oriented absolutists would be happy with such a chart. They would say that it represents the truth. So what about guessing?  Is there a mathematical law that says you can't bet on the upticks? Your argument is that you can't or that nobody can. I know how to stay out of the deep down ticks. Do you suggest that that is a skill that can't exist? Why do you guys use a logic that says you are right and people that guess are wrong? As you can see, if you are not blind, betting on the reds alone produces these down tick and up tick swings. All I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't. Just saying you are right does not actually make you right.


I'm OK with that too. You are too invested in your way to ever consider achieving a skill that for all practical purposes represents a flat earth mentality to you. You can never lower yourself. Too proud.    Too captured by the system that in the end makes you mechanical.

I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?
Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?


About roulette and specifically the streaks, what about those sessions which are quite choppy?
Or perhaps cannot all selections be on the same choppy phase simultaneously, but in order to be on the selection which is more streaky than the rest you should bet'em all simultaneously and keep only what "pays the rent" if you get my drift. 

Well that's your opinion which reflects a rigid mentality and it's based on the conventional "wisdom".


But please answer me honestly, since when it's really better to think and act like the majority (average Joe)?
And I'm not talking only about gambling, but about almost everything...
As a general rule in my life I'm trying to avoid the majority beliefs, habits, mentality, way of life in general.


What is already offered from the few to the many is like a death trap dungeon, whether you've to "be killed" or "kill" just to survive, whether you have to be "victim" or "predator", metaphorically speaking of course.
Where is the middle ground? There is none!


In this world of capitalistic and materialistic values there is no place for human values and romanticism, whether you engage on the vicious cycle of produce and consume or you are being a misfit, contempt and disdain is all you gain.


So MY choice was to live in my own terms and embrace what the majority rejects (or considers unrealistic), my well being doesn't come from ownership but from freedom (with a greater sense), it's not mostly about what I want to have but what I don't.


Why I have to compete with so many others in order for some other to reward and accept me, why my life to be depended from others, why my happiness to be associated with a certain individual?


I've chosen to feel happy because this is the ultimate end after all, isn't it?
Yes, it's a choice but the world doesn't give us many reasons to feel so, that's why I've learned how I can be happy without being depended on conditions out of my control.
I've selected to be useful for ME rather than others, since nobody cares more for others than his/herself then why to permit our life to be constructed around a person or a job or a thing and when that disappears (for any reason) our world would be collapsed, why?


I might sound as an egocentric personality but if we and the system which we are living was more atom-centric, more independent, rather than creating the "master/slave" affairs within all aspects of life, then and only then we could progress to a brand new level of realization, awareness and all together rise above ordinary, expendable things.


What all that has to do with systems?
Is not a system what determines our lives, isn't all subject to probability?
Don't make me give you examples because I would not end even tomorrow!

Different cards contribute same results while different results contribute same cards, for example you might witness wins for Banker or Player by different combinations of cards, when there is a win for Banker with total of 7 that is different from a win for the Banker again but with total of 8...the same goes for the player.
So if you categorize each and every total for both sides you are going to find out which totals are missing for either side.
Also the totals of 8 and 9 (not necessarily naturals) should be a bit more frequent than the rest because there are more cards fitting in rather than in the lower totals.
A good bet in my opinion is to have a total of 9 for either Player or Banker, but you should check if there are already plenty of them recently.

ABG, ties are more probable to occur when you see plenty of Js,Qs and Ks.
For example for the last 4 decisions there were more than 50% figures from the total of cards been dealt.


If there's already 1 tie within last 4-5 hands then bet for 1 more on 4 to 5 bets max.
This strategy should be considered as "special guest", the main principle is the totals but not in the conventional RTM sense...

Quote from: Xander on May 28, 2018, 01:32:39 AM
Good lord man, quit smoking ASAP.  It's a disgusting habit and it makes you smell really bad.  To people that don't smoke, smokers smell like a combination of ash and cat urine.  Try some nicotine patches and a steam cig.  You'll live longer, be happier, have more money, and smell better.

I've already 1 father, don't need a 2nd one...!

I've told to AsymBacGuy before, but he found his "unbeatable plans", that as a general rule the 2nd shoe will be 50% same/different from the 1st and the 3rd will be 25% same to 75% different in regards with the 1st.
thus, if someone would bet the exact decisions from the 1st BUT by reversing their order on the 2nd, then on the 3rd to bet reversed AND opposite from the 1st, he could has plenty of opportunities to quit with a net profit.


Money management is simple, 1 unit flat bets for entire 2nd shoe and 2 units flat bets for the entire 3rd shoe.
Stop anywhere with a net a profit and restart charting, if you cannot find 1 single occasion where you are on overall profit during the course of 2 entire shoes of betting then God may help you because nobody else could!


This is NOT hit and run, quit after...(place your absurdity here), this is going on in continuous basis.

Quote from: Xander on May 28, 2018, 12:29:54 AM
Post something new so I can give you a hard time.   

And when the heck are you coming to Vegas?

I'm posting when I've to say something and not just for the shake of it.
I'm not sure about LV right now, only the flight is 16+ hours and for a regular smoker like me is torment, let alone the controls inside the airport...last time they've almost cancelled my hotel reservation because they have delayed me on the arrivals!

Quote from: soxfan on May 28, 2018, 12:50:21 AM
The oldtimer asked me not to reveal his style specific sufficient to sat hey makes cake on 1s 2s 3s 4s streak and gets clipped on streak of 5+. He also has a way to "qualify" a shoe by identifying a certain "event" in first half of shoe and if it pops then he comes over the top betting large units in second half of the shoe, hey hey.

"For a certain event..."
For example first 30 or so hands had a 5+ streak so he doesn't bet the anti-streak but instead let it ride for 5 times in a row in the 2nd half.
If 5 streak didn't occur during first half then goes for the  anti-streak beats.


Right?