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[Gordonline]

Hi Monaco & All


Update


At last some good news........My money has been returned this morning and I've received the 1st email from the Management apologizing and giving a measly 10 Euros in compensation 


I have replied and asked if they feel that 1 Euro for each day's delay is appropriate, also have given them some advice on dealing with such a serious issue


Anyway at least I've got my money back which is the main thing and this thread can finally sink off page 1 

[Carlitos]

.... i hope this is an learning lesson for anyone wanting to play online.... at least you got your money back Gordon 










Carlitos 

[Gordonline]

Hi Carlitos


Unfortunately some of us are too far away from a B&M casino, It would be a 3 and half hour minimum round trip for me to play at one


We are at the mercy of the online casinos hence why we should only play at trusted ones lol, the benefit of BV is their RNG is the fairest one I know


Gordon

[Xander]

But why an RNG?

I believe that you'd have the best chance of winning if you were to play on a live game. 

I wouldn't trust the software being used to run an RNG -and for some very good reasons as documented by Dr. Elliot Jacobson.

Why not play the live games at Fairway casino or any of the William Hill casinos?

-Xander

[Mr J]

Yeah, if your country allows you to play for REAL money via RNG, why not play at DublinBet?

RNG? 

Ken

[Turner]

Gawd....Im as sick of saying this as you are probably hearing me say it


Online casino RNG is is a black box system. Its closed.


There is no knowing what's in the black box so there is no way of knowing how the output is generated.


Why in Gods name would anyone wager their hard earned money on a number generator that they have absolutely no clue how its output is generated.


On a real wheel,  its an open system. You can see how the number is generated. You can watch the marque populate with the roll of an adjudicator.


it's a no-brainer people.

[Gordonline]

Oh No I've lit the blue touch paper......RNG v Live 


I never thought I'd play longterm on RNG but at least the RNG on BV using the SHA 256 Algorithmn is as fair as one can get, also my analysis of Live/Airball/RNG shows no difference and I can play much faster


Don't get me wrong, I prefer the live wheel any day of the week, I wagered £20,000 on Smartlive if you remember so that I could keep their £300 Free money, but I also like the 1c minimum on BV and the speed


BTW, I received a message from the BV management saying that they only get involved if there is a serious issue.......God knows what they call a serious issue then 

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[Bayes]

Glad to hear you all got your funds back. 

Regarding RNG vs Live, I agree with Turner in that RNG is a 'black box', but in the case of BV it doesn't matter because you have a cast-iron guarantee that they haven't changed the outcome after you've bet (which actually is not something you can count on on a live wheel, so +1 for RNG in that regard).

I can certainly see Xander's point of view on this because he's a AP'er, but what I don't get is why the system players also trash RNG's. If you're going to take the non 'black box' elements into account like dealer change, ball size, wheel speed etc and correlate them with outcomes so as to inform your bet selection, that's all well and good and it's meaningful. But if you're playing a martingale on red or any other "system" which doesn't take into account any variables other than past spins, then what's wrong with playing an RNG? To ignore all the factors which actually distinguish RNG from live wheel, but then shout "hurray for live wheel!" and "boo to RNG!" doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Carlitos]

that's an long drive indeed, and back also......












Carlitos 

[Mr J]

Give me the choice of RNG or nothing.....I would choose not to play. 

Ken

[Turner]

Give me the choice of RNG or nothing.....I would choose not to play. 

Ken

100% agree with no caveat

[Bayes]

Give me the choice of RNG or nothing.....I would choose not to play. 

Ken

Even if it was a guaranteed fair RNG?

[Bayes]

Why in Gods name would anyone wager their hard earned money on a number generator that they have absolutely no clue how its output is generated.

Turner,

I don't see the point of insisting that you know how numbers are generated if you don't use that information - which you don't if you're playing a non-AP method. Just because you know how numbers are generated doesn't necessarily help you to win.

The fact is, people don't trust RNGs for the simple reason that they think they might be cheated, it has nothing to do with black boxes.

[Turner]

Bayes...


I disagree...with respect. If I had a black box with a hole in, and someone told me to put my hand in it because it simply had a cotton wool ball inside, I wouldn't just do it no matter what guarantees they had given me. If the box was see-thru....and I could see it was just that, I would do it.



I suspect you play BV RNG and you don't want me putting doubts in your mind, in fact, you endorse BV RNG correct?




Ok...you trust a certain RNG because of a cast iron guarantee that they haven't changed any numbers . What's a cast iron guarantee? Are you there when they generate the numbers or are you just taking their cast iron guarantee as fact.


Their cast iron guarantee is an unknown to you and isn't worth the paper its written on.


All that sounds aggressive, but its just the nature of the text.


BV is a black box.


Of course, I will completely accept that BV is Kosher and take your word for it as I have great respect for what you say. But I don't see that there is anything else going on with your trust in BV than just that....trust.


Not hard facts and reasons based on your own knowledge....which is how I would expect you to normally act.....based on your analytical approach which I have become accustom to

[Bayes]

Turner,

I'm not taking anything on trust. All of what you say would be true if it weren't for one thing-

Randomness Control: http://www.betvoyager.com/randomness/

BV is the only RNG casino I play at because of this, I certainly wouldn't trust any others. Don't know why other casinos don't use it.