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[Sputnik]

 I explore progrssions that are smooth where you raise your bets with certain % where the expectations is imbalance ...
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Will look into what kind of progrssion that exist using this kind of methodology.
I get very nice result using this with the probaility 1 against 8 with my algorithm.

Note that i play every trail, so 200 trails is 200 placed bets.
This is as close i can get to flat betting today betting a game with negative expectation.

I will develop this futher - maybe it can become a baccarat method.

[Sputnik]

Can you play this program for years without lsing the entire series?

Here is the Money Management program.

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There is a story that one person using this program had won 16 months without losing the entire series.

Here is how the program works.

As you can see the first level of the series consists of:

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The only thing you do is bet 11 on your first bet.
When you win that first bet, you add it to your bankroll.
If you lose that first bet, your next bet is 11 again.

You keep on betting 11 units until you show a profit, or lose the entire level.
You have to be down 7 units to lose the entire level.
If you lose the entire series you will be down around 77.

If this occurs you would start to bet on level 2 which is 22 a bet.
You keep betting on this level until you show a profit or around 80.

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When you have accompliched this, you will have recouped all your losses from level 1.
plus small profit.
You would go back up to level 1 and start a new series.
If you had a lost the entire level 2 you would mov on to level 3.

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Here is what happens with this program.

On level 1 you lose around 77
On level 2 you lose around 132

When you go to level 3 you only try to win back the loses from level 2, plus a small profit.
When you accomplis this, you can go to level 2 and try to win back the losses from level 1, plus a small profit.
So, basically you are moving up and down the levels accumulating small profits along the way.

I love the concept.

Here are the rules to follow:

Start with level 1

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Your first bet is 11 keeping on betting 11 until you show a profit or lose the eintire series. Example 2 wins 1 loss +9 add this profit to your bankroll and star a new series.
If you lose the entire first level to to level 2.

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Once you are on level 2 you continue betting until you show a profit that would recover the losses from level 1 plus a small profit.
Add this profit to your bankrolla and then start a new series on level 1.

How to build your bankroll using the program.

Even tought the profits are small and can be lengty between profits.
Here is a way to build your bankroll.
For every 100 in profit accumulated, increase the levels in this manner.

15 15 15 15 15 15 15

30 30 30 30 30 30

60 60 60 60 60

80 80 80 80

For each additonal 100 in profit accumulated, contiue to inrease you levels as follows.

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40 40 40 40 40 40

80 80 80 80 80

100 100 100 100

One more example:

30 30 30 30 30 30 30

60 60 60 60 60 60

80 80 80 80 80

150 150 150 150

This way we mith build up some serious bets on daily basis.

This information about the progression comes from a sport betting book at page 27.
See attached pdf document.

[tdx]

The reason he is betting $ 11 and not $ 10 is because the example in the book is for sports betting where you have to bet $ 11 to win $ 10.

For baccarat or for even chances on dice or roulette, you would bet what the progression says,  $ 10, $ 20 etc etc

Basically its the standard 3 level money management method whcih can be modified to 4 or 5 levels or changed to different bet sizes depending on your bankroll and risk you are willing to assume such as :

10  10  10

20  20  20

40   40   40

Or

10  10  10   10   10  10   10   10 10 10

20  20 20  20

30  30  30  30  30 


There are literally hundreds of ways you can construct the money management method. It all boils down to the fact that you have win more money on your winning bets than you lose on your losing bets if you play a negative expectation game such as bac  or roulette or dice.

[Sputnik]

 I am not sure if i win more then i lose, but i am winning using this kind of methodology.
The highest bet with first graph is 7 units and the secound one is 3 units as highest bet.

I think this is great and i want to say thanks to Nick who show me some material about the subject.
Not the attach PDF.

Now i testing a very long smooth progression and is working and i like that i don't have to place so large bets.
I move up and down on the latter as i win and lose, very simpel.

I think it is pretty amazing that you can use this staking plan a % game with stopp loss ...
This is only half the progression that i show ....

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[tdx]

The shorter the level, the higher the risk.  A MM structure such as

1   1   1

2  2   2

3  3   3 

will lose 18 units if you bust the bankroll if you lose 9 bets in a row

A  MM with this structure  will be more conservative

1   1   1    1    1    1   1    1

2    2   

3    3

You will also lose 18 units if you bust the bankroll, but you will have to lose 12 bets in a row compared to 9 bets in the other MM.

[tdx]

If you are playing a negative expectation game, you have to win more on your winning bets than you lose on losing bets.

That's what the above sinple MM structures illustrate.

If you can get close to 50 % winners long term, a conservative MM structure and sufficient bankroll should make you a long term winner.

[AsymBacGuy]

Hi Sputnik.
Just a question.
How do you manage the tax issue when the game will provide the invariable "stagnation" periods at a given same level?

For example, if your MM dictates to bet 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and the deviations are included in such space, you are losing money as the vast majority of any WL sequence or other "proportional" sequences will provide a small loss (banker vig at baccarat, zero/double zeroes at roulette).

Thanks in advance

as.

[Rouletta]

Hi Spunik

Thanks for sharing. One question re your post 3 above is : assuming your win the 7 units progression, what is
the amount of units to bet on the next bet......? Is it 6 or do we stay at 7 units until all losses have been recovered etc......
Thanks.

R

[Sputnik]

Hi Sputnik.
Just a question.
How do you manage the tax issue when the game will provide the invariable "stagnation" periods at a given same level?

For example, if your MM dictates to bet 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and the deviations are included in such space, you are losing money as the vast majority of any WL sequence or other "proportional" sequences will provide a small loss (banker vig at baccarat, zero/double zeroes at roulette).

Thanks in advance

as.

With the tesst above i run original 2.7 % house edge as i was curios how it would effect using this kind of MM.
I only play roulette with La Partage Rule 1.32% and i repeat my bet if zero strike - as it would not exist.

Thanks for sharing. One question re your post 3 above is : assuming your win the 7 units progression, what is
the amount of units to bet on the next bet......? Is it 6 or do we stay at 7 units until all losses have been recovered etc......
Thanks.

When i strike and win i count 0 and when i start losing i count -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 and when i move up one level with the MM i star the count form 0 again and -2 -4 -6 -8 and so on (as i know how many 2s there is for next level)
When i win then i reduce the count.
So if i would be up 7 and won then my next bet would be 6 and if that bet won i would bet 5 and if that bet won i would bet 5 again as the MM has two 5s at one level.
You following the progression up and down depending on how you win and lose.

THE POINT IS
I only get lucky with variance hitting my way.
I can not hit 50% winnings with this MM method.

Cheers

[Rouletta]

@ Sputnik

Thanks for the expalnation.

Another question: At post no. 3 above u indicates that "...I think it is pretty amazing that you can use this staking plan a % game with stopp loss ...
This is only half the progression that i show ...."

Is there another half of the progression that u did not indicate....? If yes, would it be possible to indicate what the other half of the progression is pls....?
Thanks.


R

[Sputnik]

I belive the progression is from  Louis G. Holloways book  "Full Time Gambler" not sure.
But there is a error with the progression, is not fully right.

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25 <<<
28 But here it continues with a raise of 2 units and should be 3 units.
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But you just count the steps and correct that error, so do you get a fully working MM.

[Rouletta]

@Sputnik - Thanks for the clarification.


Rouletta