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My guess is that Victor was totally unaware of your association with Mark Teruya and the insidious promotion of Ellis scams over the years. 

Regarding this link, http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Mark-Teruya-Maverick-Ultimate-Baccarat/internet/Mark-Teruya-Maverick-Ultimate-Baccarat-A-proven-sociopath-Internet-697663

"I wish it was a secret. I would still have my grand.

I signed up for Teruya's "Get Off Your A**" money back guarantee program. He promised to show me how to make my $1,000 sign up fee back in 30 days or give me refund.

He did not show me how to make my money back. He failed to make any money. My emails to him asking for help were unanswered.

He now refuses to give my money back and has banned me from the member's site.

Mark Teruya is a liar and a soulless con man."

Andy Dulay's name should be up along side Teruya, as our moderator answered dealt, with the enquiries and complaints (by blocking people it appears). 

I was a student in the Maverick Ultimate forum. I was Mark Teryua's first MU customer. I practiced for weeks, I can't remember now specifically how many weeks, maybe 4-5 weeks... My practice was all on Maverick and Maverick Ultimate.  I had very good practiced sessions. I have a baccarat sim that randomly shuffles 8 decks of shoes...I practiced on that. I practiced on old shoes from my local casinos, and I practiced on BetPhoenix.

It came time to try Maverick for real. With Mark's blessing I went to my local casino, (Pala Indian Casino and Bingo) and had a ugly session. Lost 20 x $25 units. Quit and came home. Mark was not pleased.

Mark then said that if I got an account on Bet Phoenix with real money then we could play there. I practiced some more and then we played. We played one shoe that made a few units and then he had to go.

I waited for a few days and admittedly grew impatient and went back and played by myself. I exited a losing shoe at -10 units. Thought what does Mark teach? So I doubled up my unit size for the next shoe and had to exit at a -10 units on that one as well.

When I called him and told him I lost -30 units on Bet Phenox, he went ballistic. He was not happy. And for the first time I saw the anger that is possible coming from Mark.

For the next few weeks, I stayed away for the most part. I posted some on the forum. I tried to get another teacher Andy Dulay to post a losing shoe so that I could see what causes him to lose....he never seems to lose at all.  He refused.  In fact I was ridiculed for my request.  It was always directed back at me...

So after I that I felt real unwelcome at the forum and it was made clear to me that Mark didn't want anybody posting problems or critical questions about members or the Maverick method.

I then decided that maybe the best thing for both Mark and myself and my family, was to quit trying to win at gambling and to go away never to heard from again.

I emailed him and told him of my intentions and while I know he never said his method was a "guaranteed" method that maybe he could show some pity and think about refunding all or part of my membership fee to the maverick forum.

That pissed him off. He was insulted. And since then he has banned me from the forum. Has blocked me from his Skype contact, and took me off his Skype group.

I still have his email and phone number but he won't respond to either of them.

Now that he has banned me from the forum but won't refund my money I feel scammed. It feels like he stole that money from me. Its ok to me if he won't refund my money but not ok that I can't access the forum or play with anyone on Skype.

I'm not the only one who has lost playing Maverick. Another member, Sporeauct tells me he's been losing as well.  Maverick Ultimate has completely confused him...he says he sometimes wins with Maverick but over all has lost thousands playing baccarat over the last 10 years or so.  He wasn't happy with Mark's method.  He also said that Mark was less than polite with him on the phone and on Skype when he had critical questions about Mark's system.

Now as Andy was the gate-keeper, we can assume it was Andy who was banning those that discovered they had been SCAMMED.

[Whiskeypete]

How is it possible ADulay can be a moderator if he was involved in scamming and cheating people out of their money with the maverick system? Talk about two faced.....now he is pumping for ellis...