Anyone in South America making a killing with this guy's formula yet?
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Could you make a quick explanation of just what it is before we have to actually go to another YouTube video post and be bored to tears?
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Quote from: ADulay on August 20, 2016, 10:47:54 PM
Could you make a quick explanation of just what it is before we have to actually go to another YouTube video post and be bored to tears?
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This Jay Silva guy claims he can make a killing with his formula and even invite people to join him in South America. I couldn't figure out what exactly is he doing, so hoping someone here does.
Real simple to find out what he is doing....he's asking for your money.
He is asking $500 for his program come with ebook, 3 hour one on one training and 20 hour video
I just wonder anyone try his method???
Success ratio for this ???
Anyone can develop a program such as this to exploit a given avenue.
It can work, the only problem with it, it cannot work shoe after shoe. How many shoes or better yet--how many sections of a shoe can it work, 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 10 or none while you are there trying it.
The same as anything, wagering chop, or doubles, or any certain side based on previous win numbers of the last hands, etc. I witness numbers every week at the casino. Some shoes will offer you the perfect chance to align yourself say with the following. Every natural will cut to the other side on the next hand. Every 3rd card win on a side will then cut to the other side on the next hand. Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 in a side will then cut to the other side the next hand. Every 3rd repeat on the same side will then fail to produce a 4th and cut to the other side for the next hand. Then, the same shoe or the next one or 3 or 5 shoes will produce the following. Every natural will be the first of a couple or several for that same side. Every 3rd card win on a side will be the first of a couple or several repeats for that side. Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 on a side will be the first of a couple or several for that side. Every 3rd repeat will be a streak of 4 or 6 or 7 or greater for that side for several times. OR, a combination of doing each one of those and then doing the exact opposite. Might do it for 1 time or 8 times in a row or any combination of times within the section or the shoe.
The game of baccarat within a casino (not the Youtube sales advertisements) have only produced one thing that is 100% going to happen every single shoe, shoe after shoe after shoe after shoe. That is, 1) A first hand, and 2) A last hand. As far as patterns/trends, amounts of Bankers Vs. Players, Ties, Fortune 7's, etc., there is no set numbers how or why.
One example. Fortune 7's. The other week at a casino, we usually average 1 or 2 F-7's in a most shoes. At times we have 3. Other times we frequently see 4 or 5. We went through 7 complete shoes with not a single Fortune 7. It happens.
Get yourself 8 decks of cards and try it. If you are sold on his Youtube video you have very little or no experience playing this game.
Get yourself educated on the game itself and learn about chops, doubles, streaks, winning numbers, losing numbers, and the 2 or 3 other dozen factors that either make up trends and patterns or discounts them entirely.
Your best chance IMO is knowing what the game can and will do or will not do. Then you have a better understanding and how to apply a wagering technique that will possibly prevail within certain sections of a shoe.
It cannot and will never be solidified in a mechanical system to win with games of chance. The same as a article of clothing does not take off excessive belly fat by sitting and watching TV eating chips and dip washing it all down with soda. The same as you cannot but and flip a house without money buy purchasing some course on late night TV without committing fraud and other criminal acts. The list goes on. LOL.
Quote from: Babu on August 21, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
This Jay Silva guy claims he can make a killing with his formula and even invite people to join him in South America. I couldn't figure out what exactly is he doing, so hoping someone here does.
He concentrates on the dominant side and bets with it until one of his 'laws' kicked in. For example, for his "Law of 75%", according to him, "when a side wins three times in a row, you have three out of four chances the next hand will be the opposite". PPP bet B. BBB bet P.
If he loses, he doubles, and bets the side again.
Whatever he is doing, it seems to work. His earliest video showed a bankroll of $67,000 and his latest shows $923,000.
https://www.facebook.com/JuandeDiosSilva/
Quote from: Eight Iron on November 29, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
He concentrates on the dominant side and bets with it until one of his 'laws' kicked in. For example, for his "Law of 75%", according to him, "when a side wins three times in a row, you have three out of four chances the next hand will be the opposite". PPP bet B. BBB bet P.
If he loses, he doubles, and bets the side again.
Whatever he is doing, it seems to work. His earliest video showed a bankroll of $67,000 and his latest shows $923,000.
https://www.facebook.com/JuandeDiosSilva/
If that is what he's doing, I doubt it works. I've seen this tempted many times by people I've played with in the past.
As far ask his account going from 67K to 923K, I can do that as well. I once pull this on my friend. Bringing my account from 1K to 150K. When it's not your money or not real, things can happen really easily.
Quote from: alrelax on November 25, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
Anyone can develop a program such as this to exploit a given avenue.
It can work, the only problem with it, it cannot work shoe after shoe. How many shoes or better yet--how many sections of a shoe can it work, 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 10 or none while you are there trying it.
The same as anything, wagering chop, or doubles, or any certain side based on previous win numbers of the last hands, etc. I witness numbers every week at the casino. Some shoes will offer you the perfect chance to align yourself say with the following. Every natural will cut to the other side on the next hand. Every 3rd card win on a side will then cut to the other side on the next hand. Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 in a side will then cut to the other side the next hand. Every 3rd repeat on the same side will then fail to produce a 4th and cut to the other side for the next hand. Then, the same shoe or the next one or 3 or 5 shoes will produce the following. Every natural will be the first of a couple or several for that same side. Every 3rd card win on a side will be the first of a couple or several repeats for that side. Every prevailing 6-7-8 or 9 on a side will be the first of a couple or several for that side. Every 3rd repeat will be a streak of 4 or 6 or 7 or greater for that side for several times. OR, a combination of doing each one of those and then doing the exact opposite. Might do it for 1 time or 8 times in a row or any combination of times within the section or the shoe.
The game of baccarat within a casino (not the Youtube sales advertisements) have only produced one thing that is 100% going to happen every single shoe, shoe after shoe after shoe after shoe. That is, 1) A first hand, and 2) A last hand. As far as patterns/trends, amounts of Bankers Vs. Players, Ties, Fortune 7's, etc., there is no set numbers how or why.
One example. Fortune 7's. The other week at a casino, we usually average 1 or 2 F-7's in a most shoes. At times we have 3. Other times we frequently see 4 or 5. We went through 7 complete shoes with not a single Fortune 7. It happens.
Get yourself 8 decks of cards and try it. If you are sold on his Youtube video you have very little or no experience playing this game.
Get yourself educated on the game itself and learn about chops, doubles, streaks, winning numbers, losing numbers, and the 2 or 3 other dozen factors that either make up trends and patterns or discounts them entirely.
Your best chance IMO is knowing what the game can and will do or will not do. Then you have a better understanding and how to apply a wagering technique that will possibly prevail within certain sections of a shoe.
It cannot and will never be solidified in a mechanical system to win with games of chance. The same as a article of clothing does not take off excessive belly fat by sitting and watching TV eating chips and dip washing it all down with soda. The same as you cannot but and flip a house without money buy purchasing some course on late night TV without committing fraud and other criminal acts. The list goes on. LOL.
There is a lot of truth in these pile of words. No system like you say will work every shoe. You have to play the shoe individual and adjust. How better to do it is still to be determine. Without constant adjustment, the failure will come fairly soon.
hey
don't beleive in this guy
nobodies in any forum will sell you a system that work
there is not mechanical system on Ec chance that don't exist
only you can win with ballistic or with the AP an VDW if you are a genious like prianka
you can find system that you must have your own guess like GUT (but i don't know many people really win with GUT )
this guy is a stupid scamer and system seller if he had a winning system he will go and play it
also he has bad talk
here is my conversation with him
Good luck
On Oct 27, 2016 5:55 PM, "> wrote:
hey you are the sailor im the custommer
i really don't understand the way you talk to me
you are not my guru !
you are just a system seller
you are nobodies
and i ask simple question
(asking for a price when you are interested in something it's a normal thing )
thank for understanding that
as you sell system
you are a scammer
you are also of course enough intellegent to understand what i mean
best
2016-10-28 0:47 GMT+02:00 baccaratjay@baccaraTKO.com <baccaratjay@gmail.com>:
the entire value is $500 and bankroll is on average 114 to start, no more questions until we talk
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:42 PM, > wrote:
thanl for your answer but
what is the price of your system ?
what bankrool i needeed ?
again simple question
thank to take 2 minutes for your answer
2016-10-27 20:33 GMT+02:00 baccaratjay@baccaraTKO.com <baccaratjay@gmail.com>:
The answer to your question is this: is a system like never before seen, it's a combination of statistics and algorithms to beat
a pure binary game, and it's written in a language that you must learn before you can use it appropriately.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:24 AM,> wrote:
hey
can you first answer to my precise simple question
its easy
you are a pro
thank
2016-10-27 16:14 GMT+02:00 baccaratjay@baccaraTKO.com <baccaratjay@gmail.com>:
give me a phone number and I will call you sometime today.
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Message hello im interested in your system can you please tell me price is it an automatic mechanichal system?
is it an educated guess system?
how mutch bankrool needed?
what is the biggest drawdown?
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This can work, reference the 3 and cut and possibly hang in there for another time or two. But, and a huge however', it might not a few times during the shoe. And just say it doesn't two times out of 5 or 6 times.
Say a player is wagering $100.00 a hand, which is low in most properties. But just say for sake of discussion. 3 in a row. Player wagers $100. Makes a 4th. Player doubles up to $200.00. Makes a 5th. Player doubles up to $400.00. Makes a 6th. It happens all the times, sorry not impossible and very very realistic. If you don't think so, you have a trivial amount of experience. Anyway, player is now invested $700.00 in three hands and he is most likely pissed. First of all, he missed the easiest way in the game of baccarat to make money, following until it falls off and lose only the last wager. He is also ingrained with frustration to the max because he rallied on a system that failed.
Now he has to make a determination to wager $1,400.00. Okay, I know, if you don't have the bankroll or the nuts to play the game, don't play. Tired of hearing that one unintelligent line for the one member here. Sorry, that is not reality and that is nice fictional talk, done. Back to reality. No matter how much cash or chips a player has, he will think twice, three time, 5 times about that 'cut' wagering stuff at this point. You can also take those figures I was referring to at $250.00 for the first, $500.00 for the second and $1,000.00 for the 3rd.
I seen 14 Players the other night in a row, and almost everyone got wiped out playing for the 'cut' every single hand. The shoe was filled with 5's and 6's as well.
But for sake of discussion, yes--many shoes will be say 3 max in a row for most of the shoe. Or, realistically and very much realistic that is, a show will have 3 or 4--3 in a row trending and then a bunch of 4's and 5's with some 6's as well. I have seen literally tens of thousands of players in various gaming jurisdictions. If you think it is so easy to sit there at a baccarat table and only wager on the 3 and then cut and nothing else no matter what, I am floored. Not saying it is impossible, but saying it sure is not the norm. And to boot, it will return one unit win for the wager.
If that is what you want to do, a one or two unit win, there are many other key triggers just as powerful as the 3 and cut wager. It is no system, it might be a key trigger some shoes and other shoes will eat the player alive doing that. But, key triggers--work sometimes and other times fail. The casino is not worried, again--no mechanical system exists to beat the shoe, shoe after shoe. Sorry, does not.
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Apparently system has been eating up bankrolls. A new magical system has just been introduced. My messages have been blocked on the youtube channel.
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Reference the video in your OP here, the one with the couple of hundred dollar bills on it.
He goes into, 'playing with the shoe'--'doing what the shoe is doing', etc. Then he loses 3 in a row when it makes 3 players repeating and then he wagers 4 units on the bank--as he is saying, 'watch this--you guys are going to love this'. And calls for a 'banker 8' as i think it made a 'banker 9'. Great, what is so new, play what the shoe is doing, singles, doubles, repeating, etc., the when it changes up and you lose, double up until you win a couple of times. What is so revolutionary? And all the references to being a 'card whisperer' and playing 'volleyball', just the icing to his cake, not really glamours but i can see how attractive and convincing this would be to a newbie or a novice interested in the game. Again, fairy tales, brutally honest. As well, once someone buys it and plays it for real and has reality set in and the shocking truth is brought upon the person, he complains. And as we all seen here, excuses come. A 'dime a dozen'. Such as, "You played it wrong", "you didn't understand it", "Hey--bad shoes happen, once in awhile you have to stop and take a break", "Hey, all systems cannot be 100%, there will be some losses", etc., etc., and so on and so forth. Just look at the recent drama here on Bet-Selection and you will note many excuses for what will be said, when the real bac play is exposed. If this makes me a bad member for bringing up the sheer honest brutal truth, SO BE IT. Lash out and call me a fake, I rather bring to light what will and what does happen, before anyone sends their real money to systems sellers and authors blindly.
As well, using a live feed, placed upon your video--of course you know every hand coming out. I can write a system and curtail it to any feed placed on my videos, hands down and make it look great, win 5 or 10 ad then lose a few and then give you a rock-solid way to recoup your losses and even profit. LOL. Seriously, once again--systems. IMO, they are not proving their magical systems work. All they are doing is making a video with an already known series of baccarat hands they captured off a live feed or setting up themselves on some make shift table in their kitchen, and then showing you (their proof) as to their system capturing wins. Period.
My question, once again, we know we cannot film in a live casino and do this kind of production. A table and a dealer in your studio or home, same thing as the videos with stealing them from the on-line gaming feeds, etc. My question is, how come the successful expert author (magically discovering these systems like Jack discovered his beanstalk beans) why they do not have a good looking studio, a real baccarat table, a dealer and hiring a real CPA auditing firm that anyone and everyone can verify will attest to random and real shuffles and the expert authors factual, non-altered, non-tampered with and real results showing all their profits shoe after shoe after shoe??? Why?
Once again, as people post these systems, I make the same statement, regarding definitive real-proof about your system and its results. "Seems like a drop in the bucket, as compared to the huge amount of money his sales would bring in" and the multi millions he can win, with a legitimate systems and large real casino will not throw you out or ban you, sorry does not happen.
Enough of Jack and the Beanstalk Beans from England.
alrelax is quite right of course!
I entirely agree with his comments on this.
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In any field of speculation.......... stock market trading, Forex trading, Futures trading, horse racing, sports betting, stock or futures options trading, casino games...... baccarat, craps, roulette, blackjack, poker, etc etc etc, ........there will always be a new generation of individuals discovering those types of speculation who are newbies and susceptible to the sales pitches of people selling "winning" systems.....which is the target group of the system sellers.......and only after spending many $$$$$ on these methods and gaining experience do you realize that none of these methods will be profitable in the long run..................but unfortunately it appears the $$$$$ you pay for these methods is the "tuition" you have to pay to gain a basic understanding of the field of speculation you are interested in ........and after a few years, develop your own method of trading or betting.................and if you still can not beat the game, then it's time to quit before you do significant financial damage to yourself and/or family.
Quote from: Eight Iron on November 29, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
..... For example, for his "Law of 75%", according to him, "when a side wins three times in a row, you have three out of four chances the next hand will be the opposite". PPP bet B. BBB bet P.
There is so much wrong with that statement that it hurts to even read it.
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Quote from: ADulay on July 02, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
There is so much wrong with that statement that it hurts to even read it.
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Ditto
Quote from: Babu on November 29, 2016, 09:54:46 PM
There is a lot of truth in these pile of words. No system like you say will work every shoe. You have to play the shoe individual and adjust. How better to do it is still to be determine. Without constant adjustment, the failure will come fairly soon.
Read the quoted.
Quote from: alrelax on July 01, 2017, 02:11:01 PM
Reference the video in your OP here, the one with the couple of hundred dollar bills on it.
He goes into, 'playing with the shoe'--'doing what the shoe is doing', etc. Then he loses 3 in a row when it makes 3 players repeating and then he wagers 4 units on the bank--as he is saying, 'watch this--you guys are going to love this'. And calls for a 'banker 8' as i think it made a 'banker 9'. Great, what is so new, play what the shoe is doing, singles, doubles, repeating, etc., the when it changes up and you lose, double up until you win a couple of times. What is so revolutionary? And all the references to being a 'card whisperer' and playing 'volleyball', just the icing to his cake, not really glamours but i can see how attractive and convincing this would be to a newbie or a novice interested in the game. Again, fairy tales, brutally honest. As well, once someone buys it and plays it for real and has reality set in and the shocking truth is brought upon the person, he complains. And as we all seen here, excuses come. A 'dime a dozen'. Such as, "You played it wrong", "you didn't understand it", "Hey--bad shoes happen, once in awhile you have to stop and take a break", "Hey, all systems cannot be 100%, there will be some losses", etc., etc., and so on and so forth. Just look at the recent drama here on Bet-Selection and you will note many excuses for what will be said, when the real bac play is exposed. If this makes me a bad member for bringing up the sheer honest brutal truth, SO BE IT. Lash out and call me a fake, I rather bring to light what will and what does happen, before anyone sends their real money to systems sellers and authors blindly.
As well, using a live feed, placed upon your video--of course you know every hand coming out. I can write a system and curtail it to any feed placed on my videos, hands down and make it look great, win 5 or 10 ad then lose a few and then give you a rock-solid way to recoup your losses and even profit. LOL. Seriously, once again--systems. IMO, they are not proving their magical systems work. All they are doing is making a video with an already known series of baccarat hands they captured off a live feed or setting up themselves on some make shift table in their kitchen, and then showing you (their proof) as to their system capturing wins. Period.
My question, once again, we know we cannot film in a live casino and do this kind of production. A table and a dealer in your studio or home, same thing as the videos with stealing them from the on-line gaming feeds, etc. My question is, how come the successful expert author (magically discovering these systems like Jack discovered his beanstalk beans) why they do not have a good looking studio, a real baccarat table, a dealer and hiring a real CPA auditing firm that anyone and everyone can verify will attest to random and real shuffles and the expert authors factual, non-altered, non-tampered with and real results showing all their profits shoe after shoe after shoe??? Why?
Once again, as people post these systems, I make the same statement, regarding definitive real-proof about your system and its results. "Seems like a drop in the bucket, as compared to the huge amount of money his sales would bring in" and the multi millions he can win, with a legitimate systems and large real casino will not throw you out or ban you, sorry does not happen.
Enough of Jack and the Beanstalk Beans from England.
Simply the way systems go for salesmanship. Beginning and end of story why be so naive?