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Title: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 05:47:21 AM
Gentlemen,
RTM simply mean regression after imbalance toward more balanced result....albeit after very long spins or hand.

Since LABBY needs only 33.34%hit to produce profit.
then we need long ...1000spins hands to always win at least 1u.

We never heard 1000spins hit less than 33.4%...
THUS what and where the problem to win even 1u?

Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 05:57:33 AM
since worst ever for EC=69HIT/200SPINS.
then theoritically 1000/200=5x69 =345hit/1000.

We could safely deduce that the worst ever that we could never see in our lifetime.

maybe ALBALAHA...or any respected members here could check their computer to see THE WORST EVER EC OR SINGLE DOZEN... IN 1000HITS/HAND.
then we could safely build a labby@johnny around the worst to even win 1u...by manipulating the progression.

if 1000 too long unplayable in bm
...then 300 also good since worst 69+33=102/300spins...theoritically...then we could build labby@johnny around it.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 06:00:43 AM
member like..NICKMSI...who always quest for a little edge...after long spins ...
could trying to bet with labby since FLATBET always frustrating...
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 06:05:35 AM
even if you can't have "a little edge". as espoused by the mathboys...then if your betselection always not far from  -3%...not a problem with labby.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 06:11:18 AM
as always...evry erudite member here knows that labby always snowballing the br...and marthy takesover at the very last needed hit.

then we need a modified hp.johnny to tackle these...
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 06:50:50 AM
labby needs 33.34hitrate to win...
but hp.johnson more flexible...wherr you could determine
how many hit to close...and even prolong the bets by creating more strings to endure variance.

two simple way to start Johnny.
1. fixed string where you crossout ONE digit..the leftmost digit or string.
say...you want to win 1u...in 500hits.
then 499zero+1....
crossout the left after a hit...and when lose...write a 1 at the right side of previous 1...
when all zero replaced with 1...add the leftmost and rightmost...that's bet 2u.
if win...crossout only the left...if lose add 1 to the leftmost and  a 1 to second leftmost...then bet 1+2=
bet 3u...

Another johnny is ...to win1 in 500hit
=999zero plus a 1...
bet like labby..but in fixed 1000string...and crossout TWO...when win....the right and left...
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Albalaha on September 06, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
HP Johnson is foolish labby how many times you need to be told. It seems you only read things and never simulate or play for real, so it looked  very bright to you.
Take a case of an hp Johnson looking for 7 wins so 13 zeros and 1. 7 wins came in 20 spins only, this way
LWLWLWLWLLWLLWLLLLLW.
DESPITE a great starting wins it earned nothing till the last painful win. You better forget this silly progression. Labouchere is great by itself and if u r ready to risk upto 5000 chips, you are winning even 69/200 with the basic labouchere.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Thank you sir for your thought.
If we bet hp johnny for very short spins...say..20 or even 30spins...it be very painful..suicidal..BUT..
if you simulate very long....say..1000spins...you see that it will almost a grail...the labby@johnson...is a martingale  instead of a single hit..is a modified marthy..that...win with predetermined hit...
1000 spins can't possibly less than40%hit...check you zumma...see how low the worst EC per 1000...
I am eager to know...
ps.i can't believe you can't understand how 5d/23s=40+%...?
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Albalaha on September 06, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
HP Johnson worst side is trying to fix number of wins without having any estimate of its span. Classic labouchere gets bigger in certain number of losses and wins back in a bit more than half of that only. Labby is mathematical while Johnny is foolish. If you want to safeguard bets from getting big in first few losses, start a 01 labby. So LLLLLLL WILL LOOK LIKE 011111111 only.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 03:11:24 PM

the labby is flexible yet daunting...


if you bet 1000spins with hpjohnny...you can't possibly lose....
if 1000 too short...then.

in your own blog you says 3700spins..where almost every ec dz may rtm...thus bet with hpjohnny with 1800 will not suicidal...
there's a nick of realization...its
your own ideas BUT...that you yet realize.
you almost get the ideas but you just not see it...when you eventually realize it...you will jump up eureka...and not post anything here forever...as..you have a grail..
people knows about it just zipped up...
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 06, 2019, 03:34:38 PM
as you said..Labby is mathematical..
then (i know you already heard this stales.. a thousand time...i can imagine you roll up your eyes )...

200EC has at least 69hits..
thus more than the 33.34%.
it will certainly close...
you can also bet with  johnny...137zero plus 1.
as it close with 69hits.

but... the pertinent question...the snowball br and table limit....solved  this...eureka!
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 07, 2019, 01:09:27 PM
if...you want to bet 1000spins with
hpjohnson..then you could bet that
EC will NEVER HIT LESS THAN 345HITS.

WHY 345 the extreme virtual limit?
simply because worst ever recorded  is still
69/200...thus 1000 will never see 69x5=345.

bet with 690 fixed string of johnny.
that 689zeros  with a 1.

a win strike out two digit...
the left and rightmost..
thus flatbet will never than 690time.
and labby will not more than 345time.
but marthy still will kick in...sigh..

Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Albalaha on September 08, 2019, 03:43:22 AM
OMG. Again HP Johnson?  I told you that if the last win took bad turn it is the worst martingale you might have ever seen. Basic 01 labouchere is better. This being my last comment on this progression. If you can't comprehend that hp Johnson is foolish way,  I can't help it anymore.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 08, 2019, 07:10:06 AM
Sir,
Math wise..
the labby..or any added zero in front of 1...that prolong snowballing....will definitely win before or on the 200th EC spin...or hand.

if it definitely win in every season..of 200..
then what and why YOU...AND I... still posting here?

its because the br gone horrible...and the deadly marthy.

the hpjohnny is just another version of labby  that also face same debacle...The johnny can prolong the flatbet and prolong the labbying process..
we need to manipulate the progression to avoid horibble br and the deadly marthy....to win 1u...before the very last win hit...

think hard...
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Albalaha on September 08, 2019, 07:23:35 AM
HP Johnson is set to win 1 unit only at last and it can lose even a million before that becoming a poor martingale at last. Basic labouchere can't go so bad in any possibility. The element of martingale makes  Johnson unintelligent's playground only. If you have 5000 units BR, labby will win all cases for you.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 08, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
and as espoused by you in your blogs...we could only win in long rtm-ed spin or hand.  you hint 1000 or even 3700 better risk to take.
thus with johnny...we could prolong the labby..after flater....whereas the basic labby itself will snowballing to horrible...even before the 200spin.
with johnny we could manipulate.

Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Albalaha on September 08, 2019, 08:21:02 AM
With classic labby we can prolong and win while Johnson will get struck at last needing a million unit poor martingale. Splitting will only kill as we can not predict future.
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: Sputnik on September 08, 2019, 03:40:33 PM
PA, where do you, play? are you based in Europe/US ...
I don't think  Albalaha can help you with anything as he keeps his solution in private, but he sometimes posts some sequence about the worst imbalance that is fun to beat, if you know how :-)

You need to understand RTM and see how it unfold, here are some simple examples.

Wait for six events versus one event in any combination, can be XXXOXXX
Now your expectation depends on your benchmark, the window of events above can grow to 2.5 3.5 4.5 5.5 STDV
And yes there is staking plans that can avoid such sequence to win and recoup of the comming regression.

But let's say you want to know what happens if a 1.25 STDV window does not grow stronger and there is RTM, then what is your expectation.
If you get another six events you have 3.0 STDV rare, but happens

Now your expectation is two events for the next six events and you will have RTM and not reaching a 2.5 or 3.0 STDV window.
That is two events with any combination among the future outcomes or sequence.

The RTM don't know what strikes or chopping means, they come as an independent reaction from a strong imbalance and can come with very large gaps between them.
This is the reason why most progression and staking plans fail.

Look at this sequence XXXXOXXXXXXOXXXX this is a 3.0 STDV window and we know that most of the times we will get minimum two winning bets as part of RTM but we don't know where or when for the next six outcomes as they can show in any combination.

This means that all triggers are worthless and you need to look at the ECART in sections/groups of events to see how things balance out or recoup.
One other misunderstanding is that you will get 100% to recoup sequence, this might happen during several thousand of trails.

You need to look at small, medium and large RTM and tackle how to catch them and profit.

Cheers
Title: Re: LABBY AND RTM...
Post by: PatternAnalys on September 09, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
Thank u Sputnik for your unique interesting ideas.
Appreciate them.
need more time to understand your way.
please tell more as it is interesting.
and how about your progression?
thanks.