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Title: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
How to see and attack the basic occurrences of dominations.

It is not uncommon to see 45 reds and 15 blacks in 60 consecutive spins. If you just flat bet red you are going to win at a three to one rate. The unit result is +30. If you have a properly formed chart you can look at it and see the dominance of red numbers in less than 1 second. If you can't see that then you are using the wrong kind of charts.

You should be able to detect the beginnings of a well formed dominance within 7 to 10 spins. So you begin to bet the dominant even-chance occurring opportunity found in your chart. As long as it continues, You get further ahead.

Dominances are very seldom the same. Sometimes the weak side is peppered with singles and sometimes the weak side is peppered with an absence of singles. You can attack this absence of singles while also sticking to your win streak on the dominant side. 

Are there any questions yet?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
Gizmo

I just took a quick snapshot of results so far at spielbank wiesbaden on table 4.

You can plainly see Red is dominant and the Second Dozen and Second Column are very weak as well.

Is this the sort of thing you would be looking to attack?

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Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
This is exactly the conditions that you attack. It's easy to see this in the red/black chart. Its not easy to see the trends in the doz/col chart here. I keep a chart for every section of the outside bets. They look the same as the red/black chart here. You can see patterns, singles, dominance, and sleepers easily.

Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bayes on November 28, 2012, 03:58:35 PM
I think there's some merit in betting for the dominance to continue even if it's very strong and after say 20 spins or more (say 5 or less blacks in 20 spins). Reason being, you'd only get hurt if the dominance immediately swung back the other way to the same extent, and that would be very rare indeed. Normally either the dominance of red continues, albeit more mildly, or you get a choppy sequence.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 04:13:52 PM
ok, so here is what it looks like now.

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The interesting thing for me which I notice a lot is how it tries to correct itself but Red then goes on another long winning streak.

They call it the 'dealers bet' in America. A lot of old time gamblers swear by it.

You might see RRRRRRB and then it switches back to R again.

Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 05:30:38 PM
Here is where it is at now and this is where I think the Red will break down.

The Black clumps are gradually taking over the smaller Red clumps.

I would be keeping an eye out here for a healthy string of Black and jumping on it.

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Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
I'd look for that too. I also look for absence of singles,  or a global effect where dominance goes on a trend of swapping dominances. Try to pick up on any patterns occurring. Look for sleeping zeros. Try to find trends.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
That first picture of spins, 3,0,12,8,6,12,16,20,3,12,5,27,30,3,33,19,28, there's an 11 spin sleeper in the 1'st column. There's a 9 spin sleeper in the high dozen. There's an incredibly awesome dominance of the top column. It even includes a seven in a row. You can kill that with a side bet on a let-it-ride. An in depth betting method makes for interesting reading. It's all about knowing when to attack with different techniques that best fit the conditions you see.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 08:42:08 PM
I agree. You are only limited in this game by what you can't see.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 29, 2012, 04:05:54 AM
The very best way to attack a possible seven in a row is to place a bet for the fourth spin. That bet needs to pay you in full for the rest that is left behind for the let it ride bets. You need a bet for each step. So you pull off the payer bet that makes the rest of the bets free. That is at step four in a row. that means you will pull off a bet that one twice, three times, and four times if you reach all seven in a row. After that first win it's all profit. So the remaining bets get pulled one at a time for each step. The last one rides for four full steps if it makes it.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on November 29, 2012, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on November 28, 2012, 09:46:49 PM


Quote from: Bayes on Yesterday at 03:58:35 PM (http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/msg2402/#msg2402)



[/color]I think there's some merit in betting for the dominance to continue even if it's very strong and after say 20 spins or more (say 5 or less blacks in 20 spins). Reason being, you'd only get hurt if the dominance immediately swung back the other way to the same extent, and that would be very rare indeed. Normally either the dominance of red continues, albeit more mildly, or you get a choppy sequence.




It is also cool to observe when there is an indication that the underrepresented event will catch up. And then again, one may catch a small medium or large catch up.


I find when trying to capture the underrepresented event catching-up, it is easy to be triggered too soon - what can happen is you will basically commence playing in the choppy sequence that can connect 2 imbalanced, but correcting periods.

If you do jump early on the correction, a little bit of money management in that period can see you through until the expected correction arrives, & even see you profit without needing the swing back the other way, as a result of the lower variance.


Collecting firstly on the dominance growing, then collecting on the correction would be very nice.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 29, 2012, 04:44:46 PM
Attacking the possible seven way on a single doz/col.

If you see three in a row:
Bet 60 units for the repeat. On win take off 90 - net 30+
Variation on this is to also bet 30 on one of the other doz/col.
at this point all next bets are already paid.
On fifth repeat take off 90
On sixth repeat take off 270
On seventh repeat take off 810
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 29, 2012, 04:59:34 PM
I have not attempted to master imbalance correction. I went another direction from the very start. I watched 12 numbers, on the inside, almost go to sleep for 4 1/2 hours on four different tables. My instincts were to bet for a correction. I lost my pay check that night. This, and one other momentous event, while playing Roulette, put me on to the discovery of randomness. That was twenty years ago. I just had my first taste of the global effect. It comes in big and small sizes. It can give you evidence that there is also a trend that acts like a bigger picture. Like a force that has an over all effect, all be it, a temporary effect. These global effect trends can work for you because they help you to see deeper into a second layer of things that just happen to be continuing. When they are present, balance correction is almost impossible. It is for that reason that I prefer to look at randomness without regards to when statistical balance occurs.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bayes on November 30, 2012, 08:38:12 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:02:13 PM
You should be able to detect the beginnings of a well formed dominance within 7 to 10 spins. So you begin to bet the dominant even-chance occurring opportunity found in your chart. As long as it continues, You get further ahead.

Are there any questions yet?

Gizmo, here's my question: So you see a dominance of say 8 reds in the first 10 spins, and bet red. At what point do you break off if the dominance collapses and you lose? Say you lost the first bet (black hit), so you now have 11 spins - 8 red and 3 black. Red is still dominant, do you continue to bet until red is no longer dominant, and when exactly is that?

Not criticizing, but it all seems a bit vague. Do you have any numbers or ranges within which you classify something as dominant and when it is no longer dominant?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Bayes, I would never consider a question like that a criticism. I started this thread for the full purpose of having an intelligent conversation.

I always check to see if there is a global effect context that gives me a clue as to keep going or not. If I get that many reds in a row and then the next bet is black I want to know if this is the beginning of a change or is it just an anomaly.

If I was already at attack prices then I drop back to minimum bets until I know if a major change has occurred. I always react to the latest spin. I ask myself if it is a signal of change.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Ophis on November 30, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: Bayes on November 30, 2012, 08:38:12 AM
Do you have any numbers or ranges within which you classify something as dominant and when it is no longer dominant?

Exacly.

DEFINE what are you seeing and we will be able to code it and automate it. :applause:

...i don't really get the GUT approach... gut feeling is only how your brain analyses what it sees basing on past observations of similar events.

not saying that this is gut .... but seeing what is dominant can also be defined.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Ralph on November 30, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: Ophis on November 30, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Exacly.

DEFINE what are you seeing and we will be able to code it and automate it. :applause:

...i don't really get the GUT approach... gut feeling is only how your brain analyses what it sees basing on past observations of similar events.

not saying that this is gut .... but seeing what is dominant can also be defined.


The human brain is hard coded! 
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Ophis on November 30, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Exacly.

DEFINE what are you seeing and we will be able to code it and automate it. :applause:

Then you will need to write a set of classes that duplicate visual dexterity & pattern recognition. I could have done this years ago. I know all the basic forms of characteristics found and that have the capacity to continue. That includes their absence too. You can bet on the absence of singles, no matter how cluttered the chart might be with varying sizes of repeats. One thing will always be true. You can bet for the absence of the single to continue.

Regarding when I give up on a continuing dominance in the EC's, it depends. Most of the times there's a better trend, but if not I'll back a 70% dominance. I will drop back to minimum sized bets and wait. Where I play I have to place a bet on every spin if I want to keep my seat. Thems the rules.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
I guess the need for a complete list of characteristics is the next step.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Blood Angel on November 30, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
 >:D
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
I guess the need for a complete list of characteristics is the next step.

That would be great to see.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
On every spin I check to see if a new characteristic is forming or that any existing ones are changing. So I scan the chart. I can see a characteristic in approximately one third of a second.

Look for sleepers in the dozens and columns.
Look for singles, then doubles, triples, and larger in the dozens and columns.
Look for global effects for all this.
Look for perfect and almost perfect patterns in the dozens and columns.
Look for a perfect or almost perfect dominance in the dozens and columns.
Look for dominance in all of the even chance bets.
Look for sequences of singles, doubles, and triples and above in the even chance bets.
Look for perfect patterns in the even chance bets.
Look for sleeping zeros and wide awake zeros.
Look for any active attack bet ending.
Evaluate the effectiveness of the current state.
Repeat this process after every spin and before every bet.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Blood Angel on November 30, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
On every spin I check to see if a new characteristic is forming or that any existing ones are changing. So I scan the chart. I can see a characteristic in approximately one third of a second.

Look for sleepers in the dozens and columns.
Look for singles, then doubles, triples, and larger in the dozens and columns.
Look for global effects for all this.
Look for perfect and almost perfect patterns in the dozens and columns.
Look for a perfect or almost perfect dominance in the dozens and columns.
Look for dominance in all of the even chance bets.
Look for sequences of singles, doubles, and triples and above in the even chance bets.
Look for perfect patterns in the even chance bets.
Look for sleeping zeros and wide awake zeros.
Look for any active attack bet ending.
Evaluate the effectiveness of the current state.
Repeat this process after every spin and before every bet.


Hi Giz,


So if you had afew of those going on at any one time, would you have an order of attack for example? A preference per se?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: Blood Angel on November 30, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
So if you had afew of those going on at any one time, would you have an order of attack for example? A preference per se?

Yes. I favor bets on the dozens and columns. I also depend on the effectiveness of the session. Some sessions are better than others. Having situations that continue also have moments where everything changes on each first or second attacking bet. You can still get a perfect streak of losses even though you have real quality trends for bet selection. So I always favor watching the trend line for effectiveness. At no time do I continue on blindly.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 01, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Here is what to do if the effectiveness falls off a cliff. You can use the positive bet selection that is currently failing and bet the opposite.

You can also look for the absence of characteristics. You then deduce what would happen if a certain condition where not to exist and that that feature of it not existing were to also continue. For instance, there could be chaos in the red & blacks. So you could ask yourself if there was an absence of consistent singles as well as an absence of consistent repeats then what would happen next if that were to continue. It's possible to follow the absence of characteristics.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 01, 2012, 08:19:58 PM
These are results of just watching the three dozens. Each test stops at 15 sleepers in a row.

19,29,15,33,31,26,7,33,3,6,27,8,4,12,36,34,28,26 - d2 at spin - 280
19,10,18,5,8,1,32,6,3,8,25,7,7,26,28,5,30,7 - d2 at spin - 89
5,27,19,4,29,2,2,9,30,26,26,11,10,27,34,10,4,27 - d2 at spin - 141
36,28,29,15,6,13,3,22,1,23,11,14,17,20,4,18,14,20 - d3 at spin - 289
9,21,10,28,14,25,24,33,29,18,36,19,25,34,29,24,33,17 - d1 at spin - 179
36,37,35,18,2,6,24,12,1,21,1,18,8,19,7,13,18,8 - d3 at spin - 234
3,29,15,12,4,33,28,34,2,34,3,36,33,3,26,1,8,5 - d2 at spin - 79
35,5,23,28,2,33,1,3,7,36,25,7,36,1,8,26,29,32 - d2 at spin - 53
17,24,36,16,16,1,17,17,22,1,16,17,16,12,24,19,3,23 - d3 at spin - 32
2,30,11,23,32,25,29,22,33,27,29,36,31,13,32,36,31,25 - d1 at spin - 108
13,27,4,36,32,25,26,22,17,28,24,17,35,35,35,17,19,23 - d1 at spin - 113
35,31,32,14,15,17,10,2,20,1,9,4,22,21,13,11,17,23 - d3 at spin - 95
4,34,25,4,20,23,4,1,7,4,23,24,14,22,13,4,8,23 - d3 at spin - 82
7,25,7,16,20,24,19,31,21,23,19,32,27,22,28,29,16,19 - d1 at spin - 294
13,35,26,4,11,14,8,15,19,13,3,8,23,6,18,8,3,11 - d3 at spin - 282
17,22,9,17,13,32,26,18,22,20,30,19,21,19,20,27,23,18 - d1 at spin - 160
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bayes on December 02, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Look for global effects for all this.

Gizmo, you could clarify what you mean by a "global effect", maybe using a concrete example?

Thanks.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Bayes on December 02, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Gizmo, you could clarify what you mean by a "global effect", maybe using a concrete example?
Yes. I've come to that same conclusion.  I might have to come up with a metaphor first, as that might make the point. And then actual charts that validate these conditions. I'll work on it.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
Can you see an over all continuing theme in this:

++^^^++++^^+++^^^++^^++++^^^+++^^^^+++^^++++^^^^^+++++^^+++^^^++
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Dino246 on December 02, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
Wait for + then bet for +,reset and repeat after ^ ?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: dino246 on December 02, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
Wait for + then bet for +,reset and repeat after ^ ?
That looks like it would work but you are missing the bigger picture.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
Had anyone come across this commonly occurring phenomenon by the ninth occurrence they would still had twelve more chances to treat the casino as a personal ATM machine. If people can sit around all day for two or three units, placing bets blindly, because the rules say to bet that way, then at $500 per bet this sequence would have net $6,000 flat betting. This sequence is not a once in a lifetime occurrence. These kinds of things happen day in and day out. You can confirm all this by searching actual spins.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 02, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
If I'd been playing it under kind of trending rules, I would be betting Follow the Last on all the '+' after the 3rd series of '+', & betting for the 2nd '^' after the 1st two series of '^'.


From about half way, I would just be Follow the Last on both. Probably until 2 losses in a row on each.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 08:49:19 PM
Hmm, that's a way of looking at it.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 02, 2012, 08:51:27 PM
I'd also be ready for singles to start appearing.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: monaco on December 02, 2012, 08:51:27 PM
I'd also be ready for singles to start appearing.

You almost have it. Ask yourself if you think that waiting for a correction is going to be worth much to you. It won't happen until it happens. When it does it only pays off for sure on the first single. Had you started betting for the next single after an absence of singles in the first nine chances for it then you would have lost 12 in a row. The answer to this sequence is a total perfect absence of singles. So if you bet for it to continue you get 12 wins in a row. That's if you know how to play a sequence attacking the absence of singles. I'm sure there are those that don't understand the bet selections.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 11:09:47 PM
You need a good example of the global effect. I mean it needs to be a strong trend. If you write a program that hunts the absence of singles in even chance bets then you can have the program spit out how often longer intervals occur. I need to see about seven to nine occurrences in order to see it. It only takes an opening win to go on one of these wild rides. Anything after that is gravy.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
Let's see who gets the over all strength of this example:

2,3,1,1,2,1,3,2,1,3,3,1,2,2,1,0,2,1,3,1,1,2,2,1,3,3,1,3,2,1,2,3,1,2,0,1,3,2,
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 03, 2012, 12:23:31 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
Ask yourself if you think that waiting for a correction is going to be worth much to you. It won't happen until it happens.


I suppose it will be worth it if the unit size is big enough to make it worth the wait - & for a big unit size you need either a big bankroll or a method with low drawdowns.


Quote
That's if you know how to play a sequence attacking the absence of singles. I'm sure there are those that don't understand the bet selections.


By attacking the absence of singles do you mean playing the 2nd line (RR or BB)?


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-Why after nine formations? Or was it just for the sake of the example?


9 formations in a row is SD3?


Quote from: Gizmotron on December 02, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
Let's see who gets the over all strength of this example:

2,3,1,1,2,1,3,2,1,3,3,1,2,2,1,0,2,1,3,1,1,2,2,1,3,3,1,3,2,1,2,3,1,2,0,1,3,2,


Absence of triples & no real trend holding in single or double dozens. Choppy.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 12:39:33 AM
Quote from: monaco on December 03, 2012, 12:23:31 AM
By attacking the absence of singles do you mean playing the 2nd line (RR or BB)
Yes

"9 formations in a row is SD3?" So what's 21 absence of singles in a row?


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Absence of triples & no real trend holding in single or double dozens. Choppy.

Very good. You are seeing things clearly. But its not the big deal thing.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
2,3,1,1,2,1,3,2,1,3,3,1,2,2,1,0,2,1,3,1,1,2,2,1,3,3,1,3,2,1,2,3,1,2,0,1,3,2,

2,3,1, 1,2,1, 3,2,1, 3,3,1, 2,2,1, 0,2,1, 3,1,1, 2,2,1, 3,3,1, 3,2,1, 2,3,1, 2,0,1, 3,2,

Now what do you see?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: topcat888 on December 03, 2012, 07:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
2,3,1,1,2,1,3,2,1,3,3,1,2,2,1,0,2,1,3,1,1,2,2,1,3,3,1,3,2,1,2,3,1,2,0,1,3,2,

2,3,1, 1,2,1, 3,2,1, 3,3,1, 2,2,1, 0,2,1, 3,1,1, 2,2,1, 3,3,1, 3,2,1, 2,3,1, 2,0,1, 3,2,

Now what do you see?

A load of numbers..? I've got just one question for you, after reading the whole of your thread, could you just clarify what BS stands for, BetSelection or Bull***t?

Global Effect, oh come on..! You are simply and unequivocally guessing, nothing more, nothing less, smoke and mirrors comes to mind.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 07:36:49 AM
Quote from: topcat888 on December 03, 2012, 07:14:24 AM
A load of numbers..? I've got just one question for you, after reading the whole of your thread, could you just clarify what BS stands for, BetSelection or nonsense..?

Global Effect, oh come on..! You are simply and unequivocally guessing, nothing more, nothing less, smoke and mirrors comes to mind.

It's no guess that you consider your opinion as more informed than mine. I couldn't be happier that some people have a need to be seen as superior. A snarky remark, a almost indifference pose, you act like I ripped you off. Please keep searching for that elusive progression that will make you a success. Of course it's a guess. Did you think I was going to teach you a magic trick. Nobody knows or is able to predict the future.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: subby on December 03, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 07:38:25 PM
That first picture of spins, 3,0,12,8,6,12,16,20,3,12,5,27,30,3,33,19,28, there's an 11 spin sleeper in the 1'st column. There's a 9 spin sleeper in the high dozen. There's an incredibly awesome dominance of the top column. It even includes a seven in a row. You can kill that with a side bet on a let-it-ride. An in depth betting method makes for interesting reading. It's all about knowing when to attack with different techniques that best fit the conditions you see.

what? By betting for the single dozen to keep going or bet against it keeping going (i.e. bet 2nd and 3rd columns)?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: subby on December 03, 2012, 10:03:06 AM
I've enjoyed reading this thread but surely in that last example with the 3 number series of numbers with the 1 always at the third number...Surely the odds of that continuing are slim, I'd bet against it myself.

IMO you can't tell if something is correcting...as the example in page 1, the original poster said that "red went on another streak when black tried to correct" or words to that effect. It looks easier to follow after the numbers have already been spun.
http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/?action=dlattach;attach=566;image (http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/?action=dlattach;attach=566;image)
Again the Is there really a way to see if Black was to become dominant? How can you say that red won't go again on another long run....that image could just be part of an even BIGGER picture in terms of numbers spun...and red being dominant yet again might be the result of correcting a huge black dominance in 1000 spins? You just don't know...still interesting to read though. I like the chat, even if I'm a bit dubious about being able to use it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 03, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 12:39:33 AM

"9 formations in a row is SD3?" So what's 21 absence of singles in a row?



21 series in a row is about 4.58SD.


Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 12:44:19 AM2,3,1,1,2,1,3,2,1,3,3,1,2,2,1,0,2,1,3,1,1,2,2,1,3,3,1,3,2,1,2,3,1,2,0,1,3,2,

2,3,1, 1,2,1, 3,2,1, 3,3,1, 2,2,1, 0,2,1, 3,1,1, 2,2,1, 3,3,1, 3,2,1, 2,3,1, 2,0,1, 3,2,

Now what do you see?


Lack of a dominant dozen, but as Subby says - 1 appearing at the end of every triple.




Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
From my own experience it is less volatile to watch formations and speculate on the principles of distribution of series than on individual outcomes.


Cheers


This does seem to be true as well, but I just can't see why it should be ???
Surely any mathematical law of distribution or 'regression to the mean' governing singles/series should hold true for R/B, yet R/B does seem more volatile.
Maybe it's to do with the larger sample size involved in series? & a flattening-out like a stretched piece of plasticine - stretch it out & it becomes flatter, though it contains the same mass as a round-up ball of R/B!
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 07:28:53 PM
Quote from: subby on December 03, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
what? By betting for the single dozen to keep going or bet against it keeping going (i.e. bet 2nd and 3rd columns)?

By betting for it to continue. The bet is explained further down. You use a multi faceted positive progression that uses let-it-ride with each facet being pulled at different steps of success. So in this example of seven in a row, you begin the attack after seeing the first three in a row. It would be stupid to begin an attack after seven in a row. The horse had already left the barn.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
 YOU GOT IT!  NICE GOING. I would have seen it by the fifth time that it occurred. That would have left seven more chances to treat this example of a sequence to an absolute killing. I know because I've done it. If you are not prepared to take advantage of rare moments then you have no chance of taking advantage of them. It's very simple.

Regarding the rest. If you want to always look at randomness as an opportunity to speculate on correction and / or the natural inclination for trends to end then go for it. It must at times turn out to be significantly practical. You see, most techniques in roulette turn out to give you three kinds of results.

With regards to following a dominance. All perfect dominance conditions degrade either quickly or slowly eventually. Sometimes they can be part of a huge occurring global state. I've seen a global state occur on four different tables over a four and a half hours one evening. The same 12 numbers took an almost perfect 41/2 hour nap. Of course I bet against it. That was my first experience with seeing something in randomness.


Quote from: subby on December 03, 2012, 10:03:06 AM
I've enjoyed reading this thread but surely in that last example with the 3 number series of numbers with the 1 always at the third number...Surely the odds of that continuing are slim, I'd bet against it myself.

IMO you can't tell if something is correcting...as the example in page 1, the original poster said that "red went on another streak when black tried to correct" or words to that effect. It looks easier to follow after the numbers have already been spun.
http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/?action=dlattach;attach=566;image (http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/?action=dlattach;attach=566;image)
Again the Is there really a way to see if Black was to become dominant? How can you say that red won't go again on another long run....that image could just be part of an even BIGGER picture in terms of numbers spun...and red being dominant yet again might be the result of correcting a huge black dominance in 1000 spins? You just don't know...still interesting to read though. I like the chat, even if I'm a bit dubious about being able to use it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 07:50:11 PM
So do you have any use for what I'm teaching in this thread. Do you have a method where opportunities let you make from 1 to 10 bets that perform as if you knew what was coming? Even though everyone knows that it is just speculation. I'm teaching how to take advantage of opportune moments. I will also teach how to deal with it when it doesn't work very well.


Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
From my own experience it is less volatile to watch formations and speculate on the principles of distribution of series than on individual outcomes.
These principles of distribution dictate that the observable behavior of the distribution is independent of the window size of events analyzed. It does not matter if it is 60 spins or 1000 spins or even 10.000.
Also, as i mentioned somewhere else, the same principles are valid to observe any random distribution, independently of its provenience or time frame. With this i mean that one can observe for instance the first 3 spins of one table and then the next 3 spins from another table, etc...


Cheers
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 07:46:23 PM
I have to ask, Gizmotron did you delete my previous post? I would swear i did post something else here.

I don't have the ability to split a topic. Two of you took this thread so off topic, and cluttered it with huge posts that the vacuum cleaner was in order. If you want a topic on your favorite progression and endless strings of mind numbing spins then please start another thread. Please.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 08:16:14 PM
I deleted Kattilla too. I don't mind topical discussion. I've never come up with a way to use progressions with the characteristics of randomness being used for bet selections. Now that would be on topic. In that case it might be a good idea to ask for it to be split off.

This thread is to teach. It's not for debating if it works. That comes later, in another thread, after this extensive craft is completely related.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: monaco on December 03, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
21 series in a row is about 4.58SD.

Lack of a dominant dozen, but as Subby says - 1 appearing at the end of every triple.

Yes, 21 singles in a row is highly unlikely. But this is a sequence of the absence of any single occurring. I think you will find a lower SD value.

Yes, Subby sees it. It's a perfect pattern while it occurs. These kinds of things happen. The human brain can pick patterns out of the chaos. There's no mathematical explanation for them occurring. There's no probability study that determines how long they will last. And best of all, I doubt that even few pit bosses even know they occur.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 08:56:51 PM
Now for something different. What do you see. Or in this case what do you not see:

21, 36, 12, 2, 11, 6, 32, 31, 22, 16, 21, 26, 1, 1, 26, 32,
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on December 03, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 08:56:51 PM
Now for something different. What do you see. Or in this case what do you not see:

21, 36, 12, 2, 11, 6, 32, 31, 22, 16, 21, 26, 1, 1, 26, 32,

There are a lot of repeating dozens and columns in that.

2,3,1,1,1,1,3,3,2,2,2,3,1,1,3,3.

C,C,C,B,B,C,B,A,A,A,C,B,A,A,B,B.

Although I don't think that's what you are hinting at.

cheers
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on December 03, 2012, 10:33:54 PM
Something that didn't happen.

Dozen 2 never went to dozen 1.
Dozen 1 never went to dozen 2.

Column C never went to column A.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 03, 2012, 10:49:45 PM
can't add much to what Bally has said already, but no single Highs & no unhit double-street for what its worth.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Bally6354 on December 03, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
 :))



finals 1, 2 and 6.

I am getting slow in my old age!!
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 03, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
 :applause:
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 11:04:13 PM
Quote from: Bally6354 on December 03, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
:))

finals 1, 2 and 6.

I am getting slow in my old age!!

Bingo! ... another way to say it is the last digit in each number. The current theme is visual dexterity. I'm trying to get across the different ways of seeing trends or patterns where you might normally never see them.  Next I'll try to post an example of my normal playing chart.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 12:04:28 AM
My Chart:
| 1 2 3 | L M H | | B  R | L  H | O  E | -- ##
|     X |   X   |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 29 --  1
|   X   | X     |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 13 --  2
|   X   |   X   |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 20 --  3
| X     | X     |  | X    | X    |    X | -- 10 --  4
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 12 --  5
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 27 --  6
|   X   | X     |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 19 --  7
|   X   | X     |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 13 --  8
|     X |   X   |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 29 --  9
|   X   |     X |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 15 -- 10
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  3 -- 11
|     X |   X   |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 32 -- 12
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  1 -- 13
|   X   | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 22 -- 14
|   X   |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 18 -- 15
|   X   | X     |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 16 -- 16
| X     |     X |  | X    | X    |    X | --  6 -- 17
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  7 -- 18
| X     | X     |  | X    | X    |    X | -- 10 -- 19
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 36 -- 20
| X     |   X   |  | X    | X    |    X | --  2 -- 21
|   X   |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 18 -- 22
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  1 -- 23
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 -- 24
|     X | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 28 -- 25
|   X   | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 22 -- 26
|     X |   X   |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 35 -- 27
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 12 -- 28
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 -- 29
|   X   |     X |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 15 -- 30
| X     |   X   |  | X    | X    |    X | --  2 -- 31
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  9 -- 32
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  3 -- 33
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  1 -- 34
|   X   | X     |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 13 -- 35
|     X |   X   |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 26 -- 36
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 12 -- 37
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 -- 38
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 12 -- 39
|------------------------------------| -  0 -- 40



Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
Look at the very interesting trends in the black & reds. They are solid characteristics. There is an absence of chaos.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 04:35:17 PM
So now you have the chart that I use in the casino while playing. If it looks like fresh cracked black pepper on a white porcelain plate then perhaps this technique is not for you. It takes a chart like this to find the best occurring conditions.

So what do you see? Unlike the previous examples, this example is all at once.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 04, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Are you looking at black & red combined, or individually? or both perhaps?
As I play a lot of baccarat, I need to generate more streams of ec data, so tend to do them individually & combined.


In your example, they go series, then a short burst of singles, then back to series. I guess you lose a couple of bets when it changes, so then it would depend on when you jump on the trend?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 04, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
One thing I notice that has been pointed out before, is that when R/B chops, one of other EC's tends to streak.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: monaco on December 04, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Are you looking at black & red combined, or individually? or both perhaps?
As I play a lot of baccarat, I need to generate more streams of ec data, so tend to do them individually & combined.

That's interesting. An example of multiple tracks would look interesting too.

Quote from: monaco on December 04, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
In your example, they go series, then a short burst of singles, then back to series. I guess you lose a couple of bets when it changes, so then it would depend on when you jump on the trend?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 04:57:21 PM
Take the chart(print it), and run the list. I can run this list, about 10 spins from the last, combined with a quick glance of about 30 spins from the last for global effects, in about 15 seconds or less. What I do is to seek the best occurring trend. Then I get the bets down.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
On every spin I check to see if a new characteristic is forming or that any existing ones are changing. So I scan the chart. I can see a characteristic in approximately one third of a second.

Look for sleepers in the dozens and columns.
Look for singles, then doubles, triples, and larger in the dozens and columns.
Look for global effects for all this.
Look for perfect and almost perfect patterns in the dozens and columns.
Look for a perfect or almost perfect dominance in the dozens and columns.
Look for dominance in all of the even chance bets.
Look for sequences of singles, doubles, and triples and above in the even chance bets.
Look for perfect patterns in the even chance bets.
Look for sleeping zeros and wide awake zeros.
Look for any active attack bet ending.
Evaluate the effectiveness of the current state.
Repeat this process after every spin and before every bet.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 05, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
Now for some house cleaning of a different kind. The odds. Do the zeros sleep? The answer is no. Every time you place a bet you are exposed to them. But this also happens. Do the zeros appear to be asleep? The answer is yes. Can you make bet selection choices on the appearance of the zeros sleeping. If so then EC bets are currently working like 50/50 bets, even though mathematically they are actually not.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 05, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
While the zeros sleep you can play two different types of balance. In one spin you can play a balanced bet with an EC selection. You could almost play a balanced game with two bets, with options, if you play two spins of double dozens. EC's are 50/50, Double Dozens, played twice to win both, are 45/55. But the options offered in the DD x2 bets might be worth that extra 5% advantage to at least one loser of the two.

If you lose the first bet you don't have to take the second bet that you might also lose.

If you win the first bet and lose the second bet you have half your losses.

You almost have an even chance of winning both bets. You can let the winnings of the first bet ride on the second bet.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 05, 2012, 04:41:32 PM
This is my practice software.

software updated 12/09/12
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 06, 2012, 03:44:39 PM
Now that you have the chart and the check list what's next. This step is completely up to you. You need to get practice. You also need actual playing experience too. You must acquire experience winning and losing with real money. But before that you need to prove to yourself that you can take control of every kind of session that you might encounter.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 06, 2012, 04:03:06 PM
One famously known gambling author suggest that after three losses you are out. That's fine if you live two miles from fifty casinos. But what if you must make a 150 mile round trip to the casino worth the trouble. What if your casino makes you bet at least a minimum bet for every spin. What if it's so crowded that if you give up your seat you will never get it back that trip. You need a method to wait for the big chances to come to you without getting killed off. I can sit and play even chance bets for hours without getting anywhere.

You can use a $5 minimum bet as a holding system. I look for the best looking even chance bet. Every once in a while those EC locations become the locations to kill. You will know it when you see it. The guesses will work. The win streak will start. Now some people see this as nothing more than luck. Call it anything you want. If you wait for it, it will eventually come to you. I would call that inevitable. I know that a win streak will begin. Not only do I know it but I also know that the casino can't prevent it.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 06, 2012, 05:43:31 PM
Any questions?
Any questions on the software?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: monaco on December 12, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
Thank you for posting the software - I think it goes a long way to illustrating the reasons behind some of the statements you make that can be hard to digest from words only.
Looking at the local(?) effect, whilst being able to see the global effect at the same time, as you do with the software, can be done very quickly as you say.


Analysing it & making winning bets from it is another story of course.
But the software does allow you to see all that is happening in the ec's & dozens at once.


Are you using progressions on the ec's similar to the ones on the dozens - eg. bet big, then pull some profit & parlay the rest?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 13, 2012, 04:58:36 AM
I must apologise for fooling around with progressions. I only use them when acting irresponsible and falling on a crutch of impatience. I know I can dig my way out of a small hole. So every once in a while I'll attempt to blast out a small correction. It's stupid actually. It so often works to the positive. I might use a three step Marti once or twice in a session with full knowledge that it could really bite me.

Nice job on seeing the trends in the charts. I've been doing this for years. It's impossible for me to not see the opportunities. So I'll  try to relate what it is that I see.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 13, 2012, 05:02:54 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 12, 2012, 04:36:51 PM
I can guarantee that you can have great trends or patterns to make choices with and you will have sessions that would have killed you. Like a string of straight down losses. You won't be able to avoid it. Now if you are prepared to deal with this when it happens then you can minimise your losses. Things will change. They always do. The effectiveness will move to one of the other two conditions. As far as a global effect for the effectiveness condition goes, you would be wise to consider session difficulty. Some sessions are so difficult that it takes forever to get a decently sized prize. With full knowledge that other sessions will allow you to kill the casino, why bother with the difficult ones.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 28, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Someday, asking questions in this thread will be of historical significance. Don't be someone that never bothered to get answers from me. I'm in a very telling mood. Some  day everyone will be able to give the answers.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: wannawin on December 28, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. This is really valuable and valued.

If my assessment is correct people are unintelligent when playing. The betting strategy you propose requires a conscious effort. People who go to the casino just wanna have fun to get away from life, forget the world and unwind. In fact they pay for it.
You can paper the casino with your winning strategy manual and people still continue to bet some nonsense they enjoy. Please do not feel dismayed that casinos will close.
When someone proposes something revolutionary very long is happening until it is truly appreciated. After then it is often appreciated only by a few. It is safe to say that readers appreciate your generosity.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Wally Gator on December 28, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 06, 2012, 04:03:06 PM
You will know it when you see it. The guesses will work. The win streak will start. Now some people see this as nothing more than luck. Call it anything you want. If you wait for it, it will eventually come to you. I would call that inevitable. I know that a win streak will begin. Not only do I know it but I also know that the casino can't prevent it.


Well said.  It is all discipline.  Not many are able to do what you suggest, but for those few who acquire this level of discipline will find risk mitigated and reward abundant.  Explanation can only be realized through experience.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 28, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
wannawin, I don't think people are unintelligent. I think they are inexperienced. I doubt that many at this forum think that throwing away money is fun. They are looking for a secret to gambling winnings. I was no different. I spent years researching progressions and triggers.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Blood Angel on December 28, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Hi Giz,

I have a question!

Lets say Red AND Even are both streaking (lets say both are at a run of 5).
Would you play both,and risk diluting the win if one loses, wait for one to stop before continuing with the one that's left,play just one of them....or something else entirely?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 28, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: Wally Gator on December 28, 2012, 07:30:59 PM

Well said.  It is all discipline.  Not many are able to do what you suggest, but for those few who acquire this level of discipline will find risk mitigated and reward abundant.  Explanation can only be realized through experience.

There it is. That's it in a nutshell. Only those with actual playing experience can know if they have what it takes to do this. I know well that I'm a terrible communicator. I wanted to share this. When I taught the ten students I never found out how well any of them did. I do know where the steep learning curve produced difficulties. Nathan Detroit got to me and suggested that I try a simpler approach. That's what this thread is.

I wish I could transfer experience.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on December 28, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: Blood Angel on December 28, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Lets say Red AND Even are both streaking (lets say both are at a run of 5).
Would you play both,and risk diluting the win if one loses, wait for one to stop before continuing with the one that's left,play just one of them....or something else entirely?
I would play big on both for one bet. At the same time I would place good money on every even-red number on the inside. There should be nine inside.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Sputnik on February 24, 2013, 09:42:06 PM
 
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So what would you say is the attack window to catch does dominant events, two, three or even four bets ?
Lets assume flat betting, then what kind of staking plan would you pick, regression, parlay, guetting ?

And what kind of ending tail would you say is good, two, three loses ?
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on February 24, 2013, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on February 24, 2013, 09:42:06 PM
So what would you say is the attack window to catch does dominant events, two, three or even four bets ?
Lets assume flat betting, then what kind of staking plan would you pick, regression, parlay, guetting ?

And what kind of ending tail would you say is good, two, three loses ?

First off I would not hold myself to a flat bet. When I'm searching, my bet level is at minimum. Once I see an opportunity I jump up to attack pricing. I then keep up that high pace as long as the trend or pattern holds up. You never know when a long streak is starting. To win big you must be hanging in there. Any loss is an indication that the conditions have changed. So I back off, UNLESS there's indication that a global effect indicates occasional losses in an otherwise very powerful stretch of positive opportunities.

It's just too bad that most of you think that what I just shared is gibberish. That's not my fault. If you don't know what the global effect indicates then please find out. Its here, right on this forum. It will make the process of communication and discussion far more interesting and informative.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Sputnik on February 24, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
 
Well i just wanted your opinion, that´s all.
Could later see that Bayes alredy ask ...
I would say one loss is an indication for a change and two loses is a change, that way you can catch does long strings of dominance like WLWWWWLWLWLWLWWWLWWLWLWLWWLWWWW ...

Cheers
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on February 24, 2013, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on February 24, 2013, 10:07:24 PM

Well i just wanted your opinion, that´s all.
Could later see that Bayes alredy ask ...
I would say one loss is an indication for a change and two loses is a change, that way you can catch does long strings of dominance like WLWWWWLWLWLWLWWWLWWLWLWLWWLWWWW ...

Cheers

I agree. If the trend is dominance, then a few single losses are just part of the process. If I only half believe a change is coming I might go with a half priced attacking price. You don't know what's going to happen. Rules will lead you straight into trouble. You must learn how to play agile with respect to the effectiveness track. At least that's what I do. You must find a way to make this randomness stuff your own.
Title: Re: The Simple Explanation: Attacking Trends
Post by: Gizmotron on October 24, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
I use a checklist like a pilot does a preflight walk around.

1.) The roulette table marquee is wrong most of the time. It misses spins or reports them wrong many times during a session
A. So I keep my own spin results in my index card charts. It takes about ten to fifteen spins to get to see real trends that are currently occurring.
B. I also keep a wL list once I start placing trend following bets.

2.) My first 10 to 15 bets are table minimum bets on one of the even chance options of the table. I do this so I can see the trends in the double dozen bets.
A. I make virtual bets in my mind and put the results in the wL list even though not actually placing those bets. Those are trial double dozen bets.

3.) My playing experience tells me to act on what I'm seeing. After thousands of playing sessions its easy to tell what phase or condition the bets are flowing in.
A. It is important to not place bets during a deep slide downward.
B. I practice at home with my charting program before going to a casino. I want to remind myself to follow the checklist.

4.) I wait to attack the win streaks that are dominate in the wL list. You can make money during a soft dominating upturn in the win side of a wL list of bets.
A. It is easy to see a win streak in the wL list. That's when it is best to bet big.
B. The wL list tells you when to bet big and when to bet small.
C. Playing experience is what gives me playing patience. The good times will come if you can just stay close to even money and just wait for it to come.

5.) Never expect more than two big win streaks in a long session. Most of the time there is only one.
A. Make it count and get out if you are tired.

If you follow this simple plan, you should run at a better win rate of two to one than at a losing rate.

Once you have hundreds of effective practice sessions using the practice charting program you should have these skills down to the point as to effectively protect yourself at a casino. Your focus is on winning two bets for every lost bet. You must win two bets at least when betting big. If you can get a streak going at the big level then it will typically continue until the first loss. That first loss can be an indicator that a change has started. You must pull back in almost all situations on a loss. There is only one situation where you should not pull back and that is in a dominating global effect. If you have studied the information available to you at this forum then you should know what that all means. If you don't understand what I said then feel free to go find that information that is already here.