Attached is the EC Gap Module. This is a fully functional tracker that can be played live, with live spins or RNG spins.
Each time you press function key F9 you will get 500 RNG spins. At first, all I did was kept pressing F9 over and over again, while watching the graphs for each EC.
What I noticed that in every 500 spins (1 click of F9) I would see at least one of the EC that had a gap of 10 or higher. I first tested betting every 6 gap for 8 spins with a martingale progression. This means you could go to gap 14 (6 + 8) before losing. This started well but eventually the gaps were too unpredictable and not a long term winner.
Continuing to watch the graphs, I noticed that a gap of 10 or higher generally only occurred ONCE in the 500 spin session. Rarely did it occur twice, but when it did, it was not back to back, there was always another gap in between. Yes, I have seen 10 Reds followed by 1 Black followed by 10 Reds. This will occur but very infrequently.
This is the system that this Gap Module is set to test. Remember, I code mostly for bots and as such I do not mind not betting for 100 spins before placing a bet. This may not be for B&M people unless they play this simultaneously with other systems.
The first thing to do is enter the "Target Gap Size". This is the gap size you wish to hit before betting. So in my example above, we would enter 10.
The second thing to enter is the "Betting Gap Size". After the Target Gap Size" has been hit, then you start to bet when you hit the next "Betting Gap Size". If you enter a "Betting Gap Size" of 4, then we will start to bet on the first 4 gap that is spun.
The third thing to enter is "Maximum # of Spins to Bet". This is how many spins you wish to bet for. If you entered 8 with a "Betting Gap Size" of 4, then it will bet for a maximum of 12 gaps. (8 + 4).
Any other suggestions on how to attack the gaps in an EC Module will be appreciated and I will certainly try to code them as time permits.
Cheers
Nick
nice one i would love to see numbers gap..thanks
1,921 unit Profit in 100,00 spins, about 2,000 placed bets.
Here's one example of how to use Gaps in EC betting.
I set the EC Gap Sheet to the following settings:
Target Gap Size = 7 Gaps (1st Trigger)
Betting Gap Size = 2 Gaps (2nd Trigger)
Maximum # Spins to bet = 2
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) = -1000
This means if you get any of the following you have a gap of 7:
RRRRRRR
BBBBBBB
EEEEEEE
OOOOOOO
HHHHHHH
LLLLLLL
Then, after this trigger you wait until you have a 2 gap, then bet the opposite for 1 or 2 spins.
For example, if you get a gap of 7 Blacks which would be RRRRRRR, then after the next gap of 2 Blacks(RR) you would then bet Black for 1 spin and if won, end of session. If lost, double the bet and on a Win end session or if lost, then continue to look for next 2 gap. Progression continues to increase with each new 2 gap so be careful as a RFH can always rear its ugly head.
Cheers
Nick
I played this way a year ago on all e/c, columns and dozens---very effective as long as you record things . variance has a hard time catching up with you when you only bet 2 times and reset---I used light progression and had no big issues---7 was the number I used also
Quote from: Nickmsi on February 09, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
For example, if you get a gap of 7 Blacks which would be RRRRRRR, then after the next gap of 2 Blacks(RR) you would then bet Black for 1 spin and if won, end of session.
What is the point of the second gap trigger, why not just state after 9 blacks bet the opposite for 2 spins, or simply set an initial gap of 9??? It appears this is what you are doing regardless.
Hello . . .
Yes, you can simply wait for 9 blacks and then bet the opposite. This is a sleeper system where if 9 Blacks are sleeping then bet they will wake up on the 10th or later spin. However, that is a different system, not a Gap system.
We are trying to test the Gap Theory and to get a gap of 7 (which was selected) you must have 7 blacks followed by Red or Zero. Or 7 Highs followed by a Low or Zero. Or 7 Odd followed by an Even or Zero. These form a 7 Gap.
I don't know if a Gap system is any better than the sleeping system or any other system but I thought we could test it out and see what happens.
Cheers
Nick
ahh that's different than mine--I didn't understand the reset.....this still makes sense betting against repeater long multiples
Another 1792 Units Profit in 100,000 spins.
I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet
Target Gap Size = 7
Betting Gap Size = 2
Maximum # of Spins to Bet= 4
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) =-10000
The only thing different from the previous test was I used 4 for a Maximum # of Spins rather than 2.
It was a little less profit but a profit still the same.
Nick
I tried a more conservative approach:
Only 408 Units Profit in 100,000 spins, only about 500 placed bets.
I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet
Target Gap Size = 9
Betting Gap Size = 5
Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 5
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) =-10000
Nick
With these lattest approach and stoploss after 5step marty ,can be a good option. We loss only 32 units.
I tried a very aggressive approach:
I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet
Target Gap Size = 4
Betting Gap Size = 2
Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 2
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) =-10000
It lost badly. So the more "extreme variances" seem to work better.
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on February 09, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
I tried a more conservative approach:
Only 408 Units Profit in 100,000 spins, only about 500 placed bets.
I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet
Target Gap Size = 9
Betting Gap Size = 5
Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 5
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) =-10000
Nick
Hello Nick and all.
I am not sure i am following this correct - understand it.
Are you saying that if i see black missing 9 times i play 5 times that black will show.
That means that red show 9 times and i play for black 5 times.
Is that correct?
Cheers
Hello Patrik . . .
A gap is nothing more than when a streak ends. If you have a streak of 9 Blacks that ends with a Red then you have a Gap 9. If you have EEEEEO then you have a Gap 5. LLLLH is a Gap 4.
If the "Target Gap Size=9"means you must form a Gap 9 in one of the EC before proceeding. This Gap 9 is the 1st Trigger you are looking for. Why Gap 9? Because I found in checking the graphs of all the EC that a 9 or 10 Gap occurs about once in 500 spins which is what the sheet is set for.
I also found that seldom do you have 2 occurrences of a 9 or 10 Gap in the same 500 spins. Therefore, I am testing that when you get a Gap 9, we can start betting that it won't occur again, at least not right away.
OK, so after the 9 Gap has been formed we can start betting . I have provided a "Betting Gap Size" so that you can test various Gaps to see if any one better than another. So if you choose a "Betting Gap Size = 5" means that after the 9 Gap formed you wait until you have at least a Gap 5 (streak of 5) formed and start betting.
You bet for as many spins as you have indicated in "Maximum # of Spins to Bet". In this case it is 5. Therefore, you will bet the OPPOSITE of the streak for up to 5 spins. So if the Betting Gap Size is 5 and you bet for 5 spins, then if you lose you would have formed a gap of 10 (5+5) or more. This would mean that you would have had 2 Gaps of 9-10 or more in the same 500 spins which is highly unlikely, but possible.
Hope this answers your question, if not, just let me know.
Nick
I tried a more conservative approach:
QuoteOnly 408 Units Profit in 100,000 spins, only about 500 placed bets.
I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet
Target Gap Size = 9
Betting Gap Size = 5
Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 5
Hello Nick.
Is this how you test the method above:
Wait for exampel 9 black and 1 red - then bet red for 5 times - so the black does not create same gap again.
But if that is true that you prevent the same gap to happen again - then we would have to bet 9 times.
Can you explain this further.
Many Thanks
Cheers
Yes, Target Gap Size = 9 means you wait until you have 9 Blacks and 1 Red.
However, you do not start betting until you have reached another streak of 5 Blacks (Betting Gap Size = 5). In other words, after having achieved the Gap 9 of 9 Blacks and 1 Red, you wait until you have another streak of 5 Blacks, which is the Betting Gap Size = 5.
Then after you have a second 5 Blacks you start betting on Red. (similar to virtual betting). You would then bet on Red for 5 spins which is the "Maximum # of Spins = 5". Therefore you have 5 Blacks already spun and if you lose all 5 of your bets on Red you would then have 10 Blacks.
In my observations, you seldom have two streaks of 9 or more in 500 spins.
Cheers
Nick
QuoteYes, Target Gap Size = 9 means you wait until you have 9 Blacks and 1 Red.
However, you do not start betting until you have reached another streak of 5 Blacks (Betting Gap Size = 5). In other words, after having achieved the Gap 9 of 9 Blacks and 1 Red, you wait until you have another streak of 5 Blacks, which is the Betting Gap Size = 5.
Then after you have a second 5 Blacks you start betting on Red. (similar to virtual betting). You would then bet on Red for 5 spins which is the "Maximum # of Spins = 5". Therefore you have 5 Blacks already spun and if you lose all 5 of your bets on Red you would then have 10 Blacks.
In my observations, you seldom have two streaks of 9 or more in 500 spins.
Cheers
Nick
Hello Nick.
Thanks for the nice explination and now i understand.
I want to test this, but i have one more question.
First i track to get a gap of 9 with one colour, then i wait for a trigger/gap with 5 and then start betting.
But i bet against that a gap of 9 will not appear again with this colour, then i only need to bet 4 times (but you say against 10 gap) this is confusing.
5+4 = 9
The only reason i can think of playing for 10 times is as follows.
Lets say i get a gap of 9 blacks.
Then i wait for 5 blacks to show and start betting red for 4 times.
Assume i lose does 4 times then i have a gap of 9 blacks, then i bet my last bet on black and hope it will become 10 blacks in a row (5 bets) and preventing a 9 black gap to appear twice.
Can you put some light on this.
Many Thanks
Cheers
Also, what type of betting progression do you use (betting 4-5 times in this example)?
Do you link each sequence together with a continuous bet, or restart after 4-5 (again, from the above example)?
Thanks - Very interesting topic! :)
"Then i wait for 5 blacks to show and start betting red for 4 times.
Assume i lose does 4 times then i have a gap of 9 blacks, then i bet my last bet on black and hope it will become 10 blacks in a row (5 bets) and preventing a 9 black gap to appear twice"
Patrik . . .This is not the way I coded this sheet. My thinking was that if we happen to get a second 9 Gap then I choose to bet Red one more time gambling that we won't get a streak of 10 blacks. Your suggestion is another way to play this.
What I tried to do is to allow you to Choose and Test what ever Gap size you want, to Choose and Test whatever Betting Gap Size and to Choose and Test for what ever number of spins you think might win.
I have not tested all scenarios but have shown some that look pretty good.
TheLaw . . . The way that I have tested so far is with a progression that links each bet outcome to the next so the progression continues after a loss but stops on a win.
However, this can also be tested to stop after each betting sequence. For example, if you choose "Maximum # of Spins to Bet" = 3 and you are flat betting, then if you lose all 3 spin you would have a loss of -3. Therefore, set the "Stop Loss" in the Sheet to (-3) and it will stop and start a new session. To Flat Bet, simply enter 1000 in the Progression Divisor shown at the top in cell AU3.
Thanks
Nick
Hello Nick.
Thanks again for a nice explination, now i fully understand how you did your way using 9 gap.
I think this method looks great.
Many thanks
Cheers
Thanks for the info! :)
So what would your w/L record look like for the progression (and what is the most losses you have seen)?
Something like this : LLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLW.....etc? :)
Sorry TheLaw, the bot I use does not generate a W/L register so I have no idea what it would be like.
Cheers
NIck
Hello Nick.
I have one more question.
1. Do you wait for a gap of 9 then wait for a gap of 5 then betting, now do you continue waiting for gaps of 5 and continue betting against a gap of 9 (or do you only play once against a gap of 9 and wait for a new gap of 9)?
Many Thanks
Cheers
Good Question, Patrik . . .
Normally I set the Profit Target = 1 so that when we get any profit, it will reset and start tracking the 9 Gap again.
If we set the Profit Target higher, like Profit Target = 10, then it will continue to bet the 5 Gaps until we hit the 10 Unit Profits or the Stop Loss.
My earlier testing was with a Profit Target = 1. I am currently retesting with a Profit Target = 10 to see how much difference this approach will produce.
Nick
Hello Nick - i been thinking about practical solutions as i don't like wait to long before i start to play.
A gap of 9 can look as anything as all patterns has same probability.
Any gap can be random pick.
Lets say i walk into the casino and walk to a roulette table and look at the board and write down the last 9 hitting colours.
Then the future results has to match that random sequense 9 times to be a complete match.
Now all i have to do is to wait until i get 5 matching results and start to play.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/dyndcw.jpg)
Cheers
Quote from: Sputnik on February 12, 2015, 01:18:20 PM
Hello Nick - i been thinking about practical solutions as i don't like wait to long before i start to play.
A gap of 9 can look as anything as all patterns has same probability.
Any gap can be random pick.
Lets say i walk into the casino and walk to a roulette table and look at the board and write down the last 9 hitting colours.
Then the future results has to match that random sequense 9 times to be a complete match.
Now all i have to do is to wait until i get 5 matching results and start to play.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/dyndcw.jpg)
Cheers
You could also play 3 sets at once - one for each ec :)
Yes.
But would we bet once and then start over or would we continue betting until a loss.
Two 9 gaps following by each other would be extreme, so i like the idea betting once and after that pick a new random sequense.
I need to test this one.
Great Idea Patrik . .
I will code up and test out for all 3 EC.
Cheers
Nick
Sound super Nick :-)
Cheers
Hi Patrick . . .
I tested your idea of using the first 9 spins as a Gap 9 and while it started it well it did not end well. Tried several scenarios and progressions but could not get any of them to work consistently.
While the first 9 spins should equate to a 9 Gap, I think the problem was WHEN the 9 Gap occurs and WHEN the first 9 spins occur.
The thinking was that a 9 Gap usually appears only once in 500 spins so if it appears on the 200th spin then we have only 300 spins left for another one to appear.
The first nine spins always occurs first and then we would always have 493 spins left for another one to appear. So you would easily get 2 or more of them in the 500 spins.
Still, it was a good thought.
Cheers
Nick
You are right Nick and thanks for your effort.
Cheers
i think that instead of looking for UFO and missing good stars we might try something different...Nick can you coded it in such way that counts spins in between gaps,say example lets take gaps of two,appears on spin say 20 next gap of two appears spin 25 and so on ...that could be done for gaps of 3,4,5,6,7 and so on...then see average of spins taking gap to appear and build up triggers and some mild proggression if you have to...see how it goes :thumbsup:
Hello Nick and all ...
This is how i understand it ... Nick pick a rare event to happen ... like 9 black/gap ... that happen once during 500 trails ... then between there will be alot of 5 gaps (triggers)
So i also think a code that show the triggers between your gap would be great.
I play this now non stop and testing. you can run RX and see how common or uncommon series of 6789 10 11 are ...
The down side is that it takes time and effort to track down 9 gap in reality.
Then you should also add that if you play against a 9 Gap and you lose, then the last bet is it will become a 10 gap ... Nick was missing that part with his code.
Cheers
Maestro . . .
Thanks for the suggestion of counting spins between Gaps.
When I get some time, I will give that a try and report back.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on February 09, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
1,921 unit Profit in 100,00 spins, about 2,000 placed bets.
Here's one example of how to use Gaps in EC betting.
I set the EC Gap Sheet to the following settings:
Target Gap Size = 7 Gaps (1st Trigger)
Betting Gap Size = 2 Gaps (2nd Trigger)
Maximum # Spins to bet = 2
Profit Target = 1
Stop Loss (-) = -1000
This means if you get any of the following you have a gap of 7:
RRRRRRR
BBBBBBB
EEEEEEE
OOOOOOO
HHHHHHH
LLLLLLL
Then, after this trigger you wait until you have a 2 gap, then bet the opposite for 1 or 2 spins.
For example, if you get a gap of 7 Blacks which would be RRRRRRR, then after the next gap of 2 Blacks(RR) you would then bet Black for 1 spin and if won, end of session. If lost, double the bet and on a Win end session or if lost, then continue to look for next 2 gap. Progression continues to increase with each new 2 gap so be careful as a RFH can always rear its ugly head.
Cheers
Nick
Hi Nick,
I think would be worth while tracking as many different 7 streaks as possible- such as brrrrrr, rbrrrrr, rrbrrrr and so on to give yourself more opportunities to bet, especially if using a bot.
Have you tested with a lower stop loss? Such as 50-100 units?
Hi Matt . . .
Yes, you are right in that tracking more gaps will give you more opportunities to bet.
However, my experience has found that waiting on an event, or waiting for a trigger or pattern is not as effective as a good money management system with just betting on Red.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on February 10, 2016, 02:00:39 PM
Yes, you are right in that tracking more gaps will give you more opportunities to bet.
However, my experience has found that waiting on an event, or waiting for a trigger or pattern is not as effective as a good money management system with just betting on Red.
With respect I am surprised that no better conditions or opportunities can be suggested than this passive approach where all that is suggested is MM - that is not what was the experience and success from LG Holloway? Are you able to comment, or are these 'opportunities' too difficult to 'trap'?
Or is it that the correct or better windows of opportunity have not yet been found? Look forward to your comments please Nick. I also note your comments from the very start of this thread which are relevant here.
Hello Richard . . .
I am by no means disparaging L G Holloway or any other method of play. I sometimes post a reply without thinking.
The predominant way to play roulette is in a Brick & Mortar Casino with a live dealer. More recently it can be played on line with a live dealer.
However, my study of roulette is 100% bot and tracker oriented.
While I do not deny that in the short term, ie, up to 200 spins per Casino visit, there may be methods that end with a winning session, my bot experience is with up to 5,000 spins per night.
My empirical data to date shows that a system that relies on waiting for an event to happen, one that has a trigger or a pattern to match, or a number to wake up, etc. the results in the long run are negative.
Therefore, what I am focusing my attention on is Money Management systems that can help in creating positive results. I am not just talking about progressions, which are a part of Money Management but about ways to increase our profits and reduce our losses.
For example, one Money Management tool I use in the bot is called "GPS" which stands for Guaranteed Profit Stop. It simply says that if the Total of the Next Bet is more than your profit earned to date, Do Not Make the next bet. It assumes you would lose so it does not bet and keeps profit you made. It does not make or chase a loss.
The bet selection is any standard number set bet, ie, Red, Low, Evens, Dozens, Quads, Streets etc. What I look for is a bet selection that maximizes the Money Management tools available, for example, I like betting 24 numbers , ie, (Dozen 1 & Dozen 2) which often have a lot of 15-20 spin win streaks in 5,000 spins so I would use another Money Management tool like multiple graded trailing profits to maximize the win streaks and a GPS to minimize the losses.
Hope this helps to clarify.
Cheers
Nick
Thanks Nick that is most helpful, even if surprising. Plenty of food for thought there, and thanks for making your findings so clear.
R.