Are any of you aware of any online casinos which offer live wheels, from studios or B&M casinos, with more than 30 seconds duration from spin to spin?
Please share it here.
I saw one www2.aa2888.com with 33 seconds.
Quote from: Ted009 on September 21, 2017, 08:05:28 AM
I saw one www2.aa2888.com with 33 seconds.
Frankly I don't like the look of it, seems like amauter scam from the first sight, also this website seems to be Vietnamese originated and I'm not sure about the gambling regulations over there (if any).
Better late than sorry...
LeoVegas has a stream from the Admiral Club (18.00GMT - 04.00GMT) which roughly gives 30 seconds. It's the longest one I know about anyhow. They have a timing bar which counts down and the croupier doesn't spin until it hits the bottom. Some of them are getting ridiculously short nowadays.
Nothing to stop anybody using every second spin to form a number stream instead of every spin.
So....
31
5
9
21
24
26
becomes....
5
21
26
Gives you time to analyse what you are doing and be ready to place the bets you want to put down.
cheers
I've also seen 15 seconds for live studio roulette!
Why do you think this pattern occurred during the last few years at online casinos?
What you suggest Bally is not convenient for those who every spin matters because it is part of a solid sequence.
Usually that's the case when you chart/record past spins, of course for hard cored maths wouldn't matter.
Personally I'm somewhere in the middle, sometimes I'm charting and need at least 50 seconds, while other times I'm not looking back and even 20 secs are sufficient duration.
If I had to choose between 20 secs and 2 mins, the 1st could force you to mistakes and/or missed bets, also makes you feel more anxious because of the time pressure, while with the 2nd option the only negative is that could become a bit boring while waiting, in my point of view it's by far better to wait a bit longer rather than having the disadvantages of 20 to 30 seconds.
While waiting I could take notes, drink, place bets, chat, look around, order...in general have peace of mind and my composure and concentration intact.
It's one thing when results are against you and completely another to force you indirectly to do costly mistakes!
The new auto roulette at Unibet's Casino has an exact bet window of 60 seconds. Further on, their live dealer broadcasts from Platinum Casino (Hilton hotel Bucarest) offers bet windows of anything between 40 seconds up to several minutes between spins and depending on time of day. S:T Vincent Casinos (northern Italy) usually has an average bet window of 45-60 seconds and sometimes several minutes if their tables are crowded. Their French roulette has bet windows between 1 minute up to 5 minutes depending on the presence of gamblers at their table. It is all up to the three dealers whim at the table when to spin the wheel as they have no timer-signal in the background that alerts for a spin.
Further on, you have Portomaso Casino that offers their good live tables that in late afternoons and evenings usually are well crowded and offers the online player anything from 40 seconds to several minutes between spins as the dealers have a lot of payouts between spins.
There are of course more good Casinos online, but the above are those I recommend as I have played myself there for years without any problems.
I agree Thom, Unibet is the best overall casino in my point of view.
If only I could connect normally from my IP address, you see my issue is not about my account with Unibet but because Unibet is within a long blacklist of online casinos from Greek government.
Situation was not always like his, I was using Unibet for years and the company still accepts Greek residents, but about 2 years ago Greek government forced all internet service providers to make approximately 90% of all online casinos inaccessible for residents of Greece.
And do you know why?!
Because they want to tax every online company, regardless of where it is based, as long as they have Greek clients!
Do you know any other country which acts like a pimp?!
Unfortunately this is one of the many unfair issues they've introduced us over the course of the last decade.
Sorry to say but Greece is only nice for vacations at islands as tourist, certainly not for living and working here.
We became strangers within our home!
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried Dublinbets new site that has all the good live casinos these days?
Fitzwilliams, Draghonara, Portomaso, S:T Vincent and some more pearls, all under their proxy roof.
Quote from: TheMagician on September 21, 2017, 07:57:46 PM
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried Dublinbets new site that has all the good live casinos these days?
Fitzwilliams, Draghonara, Portomaso, S:T Vincent and some more pearls, all under their proxy roof.
Dublinbet and Portomaso are also blacklisted thanks to the Greek government, by using VPN it's like asking for troubles since they don't allow such mediums all of the online casinos.
Well then, you are like they say, sh..t out of luck.
Perhaps you could move to the Island Malta, settle down in the beautiful east coast among the new residents around the Spinola Bay with walking distance to the Draghonara and Portomaso Casinos, not to forget the Olympic Casino and Casino Maltese a few kilometers away. Fast Internet, good food, a lot of nice night life and above all, no snooping government where thoroughly corrupt politicians seeks to fill their pockets with ludicrous laws at the expense of a poverty stricken people (who keeps re-electing them).
Well said Tom, but governments may change from time to time but policies remain the same (or worsen).
Take USA for example, right after the death of Roosevelt, one of the best American presidents, allies defeated nazis but evil prevailed as transformation from a direct threat from Germany to an indirect threat based at USA...the foundation established back then and lives on till today, such evil is worse than nazis, I dare to say, because it's been hidden and pull strings constantly from the background...
Of course Malta isn't the only interesting destination, could be Portugal or Morocco, not to mention destinations beyond the Mediterranean sea...
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 21, 2017, 09:04:20 AMWhy do you think this pattern occurred during the last few years at online casinos?
When you have the advantage, more spins per hour mean more profit. Directly.
...Personally, I'd name "
efficiency" as the key word for this pattern :nod:
You are speaking like you admire them, why don't you open a casino in order to materialize the only edge you know Vic?!
I've just finished a session at Paddypower with a new developed method, 1 thing I've confirmed over and over again is that no matter how much you've tested a method, 1 of the worst scenarios happens on the 2nd or 3rd session, whether you've seen it happen only once or twice within 15,000 or even 50,000 bets.
Kind of suspicious don't you think?!
However I managed to come out on top at the end, someone else would have cowardly quit with loss.
The most time from spin to spin currently is 27 seconds and when bets proceed I'm struggling to keep up with the game's pace, under such conditions the game is no more pleasant.
I'm attaching the results which I've tested before playing, all of them from real live wheel of Dublinbet casino.
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Every single spin from all sessions was bet, this kind of situation has happened plenty of times before, with other well tested methods at online and B&M casinos...after they figure out what you are betting they prepare sequences against you in a subtle and discreet way, they don't want to lose much before they get rid of you in such way, once you become target no matter what you do you remain target for the specific casino.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 02:47:06 PMYou are speaking like you admire them, why don't you open a casino in order to materialize the only edge you know Vic?!
Hello Angelo, sorry if that sounded bad. I'm just stating a fact my amigo: when dealing with spins per hour, anything that benefits the casino also benefits the advantage player too since any "side" having an advantage gets to express it faster as well.
Please humbly allow me to bring a very important point as a context since you're mentioning me in your post directly :): may I mention I'm only betting one (1) single betting location per spin these days; so -if it were up to me- the betting time could as well be 5 seconds and I'd be even happier to be honest.
Fast live wheels are precisely my dreamy scenario since chances are they aren't targeting me specifically given the numerical stream is "shared" among all players.
As to the betting itself, I start with a minimum-unit bet because under my betting framework it needs to build. If the method doesn't have "build potential" (i.e. requiring the pouring of more and more units without an organic raise) it's simply discarded.
Remember the "Mushroom" term referred by Norman Leigh? While it is commonly attached to the reverse Labouchere, I reckon we may also call this clumping of multiple winning as being a "Mushroom" too.
You should lose/give back in these minimal-unit banks while growing your base unit when being successful. Like Manrique would say, when it is "your time".
The more spins per hour, the more chances to experience such a "mushroom" during your session, which according to my framework should be the actual goal of your playing efforts. Clumping, mushrooms, growing the base unit organically while using a conscious inter-session money management.
It's actually not a matter of time between bets but a matter of spins being played and -of course- whether you can express your advantage within them.
Cheers!
Vic
Of course when you bet only 1 number you have no time issue but not everybody bets like this.
Speaking about edge it comes only from selection, not the progressions and the money managements!
People who claim otherwise they know stuff about what's going on...yes, I'm using progression but it's not the reason I win regularly.
Last but not least a tip for you Victor because I like you, since you are playing a single number you should know that none of them endures long term but all of them do...;-)
Cheers, to your success!
Or should I say: e viva est mucho alegria!
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 03:25:17 PMEvery single spin from all sessions was bet
Hello dear Angelo, my very personal point of view here (perhaps we need a separate thread for these replies).
I feel comfortable with live wheels in general because you are betting alongside a pool of bettors.
There are instances of some live wheel video feeds shared among several casinos. How can the live wheel operator target you specifically?
Of course, I'm not ruling-out other ways to cheat outside tampering with the live feed (i.e. not accepting bets on time, denying payout) but I'm very careful about calling "cheat" on a live casino wheel these days.
Again, I'm just expressing my very personal point of view based on my personal experience. As mentioned above, I'm using a single-location method which bets every spin after the initial number-collection cycle happens; that's likely relevant to your continuous-betting remark.
In my case, after the location-adding & filtering takes place, only one number is picked. Perhaps this qualifies as "Low profile" by itself... just a player betting on a hunch(?)... The selection process even uses a degree of randomness for locations with "equal weight" on the timeline for the current spin, so no single session is equal.
I feel comfortable the casino isn't after me as I'm not specifically betting a preconceived pattern.
The casino isn't the enemy: No casino means no opportunity to bet my friend.
Live casino wheel is my favorite. I'm actually grateful for them setting up this opportunity: to play an actual physical wheel from the comfort of home in my houseclothes, mind you :)
Ok, I got your point but, the live feed doesn't show how many others (if any) are betting simultaneously, what bets, what amounts...even at a B&M casino when you can see with your own eyes all these you could be "targeted".
Proving such activity is from very difficult to impossible, let me ask you a question, let's say you have tested a method for 48,640 bets approximately and BR lost only twice during all those bets, how would you feel to lose your BR on the 2nd day of your visit at B&M airball roulette?!
Would that made you suspicious, feel that something is wrong, odd...??
That was a real incident for me when I was betting for any number to hit 3 times within 37 spins.
From the same B&M casino I had witnessed similar situations with other 3 methods...!
I'm just trying to explain what I've experienced, whether it's extreme bad luck or cheating is something I'm not 100% certain because I've no evidence but only indications, I cannot initiate a legal case with just my word and indications.
All these and other milder misfortunes enraged me up to the point which I sware to myself to find the ultimate strategy in order to take a share of their money almost at will.
I take cheating very, very seriously, not only because of what I've experienced but also because of my principles/mentality.
PS The single number method which you've mentioned Vic deserves more attention and its own thread.
Buona fortuna e salut las voluptuosas chicas!;-)
Blue Angel, here in the UK, there are two main players in the casino industry with venues up and down the country. Grosvenor Casinos and Genting Casinos. I have personally known one of the General Managers from one of these casinos since the early 90's. He is an infrequent gambler at the opposition venue and he plays airball roulette. Now I am pretty certain that if there was any skulduggery going on with these machines, this GM would know about it and he certainly wouldn't be wasting his money on them from time to time. Is every country different depending on regulations and who controls the industry? Who knows but I can't see it myself.
cheers
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PMOf course when you bet only 1 number you have no time issue but not everybody bets like this.
I know, hence the emphasis on it being what I've experienced.
The method is actually the Roulette Betting Tool. An evolved one. I'm not developing it any longer. Some players expect too much from one number to be honest. Losing a session bank shouldn't be a catastrophic event. This possibly deserves a thread of its own. Losing some consecutive cycles can be even thought as normal and expected. You wouldn't cry foul on red or black skipping 6 spins -three (3) even chance cycles- but people call "garbage" when not hitting a proportionally-conservative amount of spins in cycles.
I stopped "peddling" it to others. I'm not going back to large numerical coverage for real money. I post new approaches and methods for public consideration yet my approach is already set. Can't refine to a lesser coverage from one number :)
As to the money management, it's the 75% Money Management (http://betselection.cc/money-management-103/75-money-management/).
It allows for an organic growth of your unit value while losing minimal-unit banks when things aren't rosy.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PMSpeaking about edge it comes only from selection, not the progressions and the money managements!
People who claim otherwise they know stuff about what's going on...yes, I'm using progression but it's not the reason I win regularly.
I'm with you to a certain extent. I've experienced carefully-crafted money management schemes making a difference, but still agree full consideration is needed as to when to place your bets.
In my view, I would say it's the COMBINATION of both a conscious bet selection + a conscious money management which can make a true difference.
Recently, there was a small revival of interest on Bayes' "distributions (http://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/distributions/msg36074/#msg36074)" view on which you participated (http://betselection.cc/wannawin's-library/why-not-study-this-winning-possibility-seriously/msg59877/#msg59877). I'm with Bayes too. When you have the bet selection that fits the ebb and flow required for a certain money management, magic happens.
"Win more when winning, lose less when losing". This has been said by other members in the past. I recall Albalaha/Sumit evangelizing on it but nobody paid a deserving attention.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PMsince you are playing a single number you should know that none of them endures long term but all of them do...;-)
They cycle. Yep.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PMCheers, to your success!
Angelo, I'm a recreational player because I don't have the "physical advantage-play certificate" Bias or VB players have, but I consider myself as "doing right" on the game. Since my goal is to beat my "lifetime actuals" spins, I don't need to worry about the rest of spins appearing out there.
I'm happy and focused on beating the very set destiny throws my way :)
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PMOr should I say: e viva est mucho alegria!
Cheers to you too :thumbsup:
Vic
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 06:40:47 PM
Ok, I got your point but, the live feed doesn't show how many others (if any) are betting simultaneously, what bets, what amounts...even at a B&M casino when you can see with your own eyes all these you could be "targeted".
I get it too! To me, the only times I the "ghost of being targeted" is when betting with an engorged unit. But even at those times hits come exactly as they should.
It's a live wheel, not an RNG.
I look at it this way. Winning is a deviation on expected losses & "mushrooms" run out. They have to end since winning deviations can't last forever.
When losses catch-up in clump/concentration you better be giving back the least.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 06:40:47 PMlet me ask you a question, let's say you have tested a method for 48,640 bets approximately and BR lost only twice during all those bets, how would you feel to lose your BR on the 2nd day of your visit at B&M airball roulette?!
Would that made you suspicious, feel that something is wrong, odd...??
No Angelo. "Anything that can happen will happen". Remember luck is measurable. As a player, I would be more concerned about me experiencing bad streaks on my personal set of actuals across several wheels.
The long run evens-out everything. 3 hits per cycle is an event we all targeted.
Learning not to try being invincible can be a hard lesson to learn; you know you're there when it doesn't matter wether you win or lose a session since you're prepared for the natural events of the game.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 06:40:47 PMI'm just trying to explain what I've experienced, whether it's extreme bad luck or cheating is something I'm not 100% certain because I've no evidence but only indications, I cannot initiate a legal case with just my word and indications.
All these and other milder misfortunes enraged me up to the point which I sware to myself to find the ultimate strategy in order to take a share of their money almost at will.
I take cheating very, very seriously, not only because of what I've experienced but also because of my principles/mentality.
You're a persistent fellow so you have the #1 requirement nailed to achieve your goal (Just don't be blinded and learn to pressing when you have to press and "letting go" when you have to :) )
Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 29, 2017, 06:40:47 PMPS The single number method which you've mentioned Vic deserves more attention and its own thread.
We had in the past. Former versions covered way too many numbers and entered into what a fellow forumer Mrs called "panic mode" (due to the current numerical filters not being in place). Now, this evolved version is just a very discreet profit-sharing venture some close friends enter and exit from.
You can have a shot at it of course. You would do as many tests as you want independently. Hey! If you have some time to burn we can set you up as long as you report in the open. It may spice things up around :)
I'm not against others using it as long as it's via discreet profit-sharing. We can always use a bit more $ sponsored by casino winnings.
(If you see it isn't suitable for you, then nothing happens; there's no money lost of course since testing amicably is obviously granted for free)
QuoteIn my view, I would say it is the COMBINATION of both a conscious bet selection + a conscious money management which can make a true difference.
Vic
This sums it all for me, well said Victor! :thumbsup: